What is the next stage after capitalism Sup Forums?

What is the next stage after capitalism Sup Forums?

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Explain. You mean after the capitalists automate labor leaving no jobs resulting in the mass starvation of the proletariat? Agreed.

that you smash in your skull with the hammer & fuck yourself with the sickle

> muh communism comes after capitalism
> muh future history
> hasn't ever happened yet

there is no next stage after capitalism. selling shit for profit is literally the way shit is always going to work unless we bomb ourselves back into the dark ages.

Would this hold true under material abundance though?

Fascist corporatism.

material abundance contradicts the first law of thermodynamics, kike.

furthermore, abundance is relative. what we have now would be considered unthinkable abundance 2000 years ago, yet no one's satisfied.

as long as there is entropy, there will be relative scarcity. unless the first law of thermodynamics disappears from the universe, there will be no "end point" of abundance.

>implying there's anything wrong eith the first two

Sacred Economics. Check YouTube.

>corporatism

Pic related

But you just said people 2000 years ago had no idea what to expect in present day. Right now we can have 8 hours work days while keeping everyone fed and sheltered. But for some reason you wageslaves defend working for Mr. Shekelberg 12 hours a day with no paid overtime. Pathetic

Capitialism leads us to full AI and we are wiped out by them.

If we ever reach material abundance to the point that trading goods for services is no longer needed, then I don't give a fuck. However communists aren't waiting for that, they demand free shit now when we have an abundance of demand and a scarcity of resources.

>Sacred Economics traces the history of money from ancient gift economies to modern capitalism, revealing how the money system has contributed to alienation, competition, and scarcity, destroyed community, and necessitated endless growth.

This looks good user, thank you I'll check it out

> reading comprehension
> what is it
> also posts fishhook image

ok now i get it. enjoy your troll slide thread.

> also sage

>wageslaves
Get a real job before talking.

>Your political belief is "similar" with another political belief I don't like, therefore, my position is right.

This. All lead to horrors for humanity (except the few who control the brainwashed slaves).

>tfw you realize that historical materialism is actually right, but it's a cycle and not a linear path with a definite end

the Soviet Union had full communism for like 8 months, and then immediately collapsed back into a slave empire and then rapidly progressed through the feudal stage back to a capitalist state in the modern day

All fun and games until your faggot commie ass tries that shit in America and we give you all the lead pill.

>material abundance
What? We're starting to have an abundance of information and labor with very limited amounts of materials and land actually.

Laborers are getting in a very dangerous position. We're peasants in the moment before the enclosure, but only now there will be no factories to go to. Most of human laborers are becoming obsolete, the majority of humanity is simply becoming obsolete, worthless.

The first negotiating power is the working power, after that you can still get a basic income if the state is still afraid of you chimping out. But after military automatization reaches a point, people will just lose all of their negotiating power. Most of humanity could be culled by the most competent and most powerful 1% without any repercussions.

>fuck fascism
Lol /leftypol/ faggots know nothing. Fascism is the true next step.

>socdems
Social democrats have been around forever. Their sheep led by people who twist words in fancy manners and constantly appeal to the many despite being few and their end goal being the supremacy of the aristocracy much like most communist movements.
Political consciousness is in truth lacking these days as they always have.
Pic related tried to break that trend

What is a real job

>Communism=socialism=liberalism=progressivism=social democracy
>Canadian Intellectual

EXACTLY user this is what I'm talking about. We are heading full speed into a brick wall and none of these retards get it.

Although not a socialist, Bernie Sanders could have beaten Trump and there's nothing you cuckbois could have done about it. All bark no bite. Keep defending your capitalist masters, it's cute really

A really big world war.

Until nationalism ends and the world unites as one, we will have capitalism. Until then, we would probably become a globalized social thing. It's hard to compare something to something else that might not even exist yet

That infographic is confusing and poorly organized, thereby defeating the point of an infographic.

Barterdom.
Ye olde shared economies are a meme now, but I say Ye olde because it actually is a very old way of negotiating a trade.

Reminder that communism is just capitalism except it's only legal for the people at the very top to profit

Not true

Wow, great argument

The Utopian Lie will just allow them to do it faster. Use your heads you're not retards.
We're encroaching upon some Dune shit with the impending machine boom.

this picture gave me AIDS. commies truly are a plague

Sieze the means of production.

That's argument enough

Materialism is the cause of the problem. Communism allows the exploitation of the worker via concessions in implementation.
Give a loose goal/process and audit it to make yourself the king after the peasants finish offing the old hierarchy.

I have in fact seen such concessions professed by communist ideologues as of late. Perhaps it's not a recent thing. But the creation of classes not based on production and denying their power over one another is an example of what I am talking about.
IE: Workers' Councils, Leaders, Enforcers
All of these create a hierarchy that not only rules over the rest but also does own the land. This is undeniable.

I sort of agree that something like communism would be a good end goal for a developed society.

I mean like, once we're in a post-scarcity world where no one has to work and stuff.
Marxism is a good idea in a Utopia that just doesn't exist.

I hope for the cyberpunk future

Marxism in all forms is the ultimate jewery. The rats have won

>capitalist society
>man invents something good
>patents it
>can sell it for profit, use it for profit or license it for profit

>communist society
>man invents something good
>state takes it away, seizes all means of creating it, allows no one else to create it
>state profits
>man has 50% chance of being sent to gulag for being too smart

Communist society does not yield progress, as the government will not pay you if it is not forced to

Either transhumanism or dataism.
It hasn't been decided which ideology will rule the Earth.
This is what consumes the elite at the highest level, and they don't want your input.

Typical Marxist horseshit about historical determinism. The problem is that Marxists have a simplistic and erroneous view of history.

For example, it wasn't "Royalty, Lords, Kings vs. Vassals, Peasants". It was "Royalty, Lords, Kings vs. Royalty, Lords, Kings". If peasants were involved, it was only as hired help.

user as jobs increasingly get replaced by automation, wages will inversely and exponentially decrease until people can no longer to purchase products from the capitalists. This will crash capitalism. Think of it this way, as sectors adopt automation (cashiers in grocery stores, factory work, self driving vehicles) chunks of the workforce will be forced into unemployment. These workers will then have to transfer and compete with other workers in other sectors. Capitalists will have the choice between many many people for a single position and will set the salaries lower and lower. This is the nightmare capitalism is rushing towards despite artificial control of technological progress (oil companies trying to milk every drop of profit before they're forced to move on). People just have a kneejerk reaction when capitalism is threatened.

Materialism is natural. When I say that, it's natural for you and I to want the coolest stuff. Nationalism is pledging loyalty to a country, rather than whole human race, or civilization.
Future people will still be urged to want more. It's human nature to hoard stuff they like.

we at Sup Forums know the answer.

That's why they will either have to create enough new jobs to offset the layoffs, or pay their labourers more than their bottom line worth like Henry Ford did.
And yes, that isn't a long-term solution, maybe even causing some problems of its own.

>melon meme
>knowing even the first thing about anything
SIDES
>(((experts)))
DOUBLE SIDES

I'm not saying it will be a communist society. Maybe it will be something new. But capitalistic ideals will still be involved. As it is the best way to advance societies

Of course it is but we are a species that can suppress the urge to hoard shiny things in favor of benefiting others.
The nation is an organization of men that is above the ego, if you make your nation the entire species (or the planet since we're just on Earth so far) then this is no longer an issue. Is it not?
Ethnicity has more to do (and sometimes none to do with) than tribe or bloodline.

>Of course it is but we are a species that can suppress the urge to hoard shiny things in favor of benefiting others.

Whites are

Look to Brazil, China and Africa to see how anybody else handles it

Just because we can, doesn't mean we will. It brings back my point of global populations. If you have less people in the society, you require fewer resources

>>although not a socialist
>talking about the guy that joined the youth arm of the socialist party of america when he was young
>the same bernie Sanders that is a self described democratic socialist

Tippity toppest of keks cunt

>would win against trump

Acoording to what? Polls? The same ones that said trump had less than 5% chance of winning? Give me a break, I hate this shithole but even I can recognize your bullshit. Furthermore his reputation is being tarnished because of thia investigation he is now under for money extortion. If he even lives that much longer no way will a far left guy like him be elected.

The elite have already been talking about UBI. Unfortunately, this is just another capitalist scheme.
>Give every prole a little bit so they can still buy our shit
Ultimately, the proles will no longer have any chance at getting ahead at life while the capitalists have almost total control through the flow of money. There is only one solution

>communism
>state
...you have no fucking clue what communism actually is, do you?

Double checked.

>Soviet oligarchy
>adhering to "the many"

Laffypole is so delusional it blows my mind

>inb4 some ancom dreamer shits and pisses themselves and goes into fits about "m-muh state" not realizing that their idyllic commune won't be able to enforce its top-down egalitarianism without an organized hierarchy (they tried to do that in Spain, didn't work out so well did it?)

Triple checked

WHERE THE FUCK ARE ALL OF YOU COMING FROM?

>This will crash capitalism.
Will it though? It might lead to a couple of market crashed, but now the best solution is a good old Keynesian money injection from the government to get
>infrastructure
building. And if there is money present in the system, the automated B2B enterprises can pay each other off maintaining full production chains without the massive end-buyers. Long chains of businesses supporting other businesses with a couple of luxurious end products for the rulers of the universe.

The system can sustain itself, it can achieve growth, you just have to get it going, and it's fine on its own. It's not like there is some sort of absolute need for mass small consumers. The system needs money and trust for the inter-business cooperation. Good old crony capitalism will provide everything to prevent the complete economic collapse.

It is because they are primitive culturally. Our most recent progenitors have managed to settle down so comfortably that is was possible to relax and hone our morals and philosophy. The others of which you speak never did. And honestly for the most part it's usually their own faults but still. Especially the Qinese.
They developed an extremely malformed culture over the years since the first conquerer of the Qin Dynasty (who was a red haired westerner who used horse chariots lol)

Genocide is a shit tier way to get anything done as far as that goes. You'll only manage to cull people with potential. The fat cats and assholes will slither into a nook until it's over and reemerge to once again use and abuse.

Also keep in mind if the world consolidated and rushed to space we could easily solve the population question via Lebensraum. Our species is destined to spread like a cancer IMO.

>reeeeee we want a stateless gov
>creates the largest governments in human history

There is no greater faggotry than "late stage capitalism" faggotry. Go back to plebbit.

>IT'S NOT A STATE IT'S AN ORGANIZATION!!
You deserve the bullet/work detail the king (or *councillor*/party liaison) would give you in the commune.

Not calling for a global culling lol. Even though I believe the planet is getting to is max population point, I don't think the best idea is to kill people. Hopefully by then we are able to send people out into space. I'm talking by the millions. Space colonies bruh

Hmm to increasingly inject money into the system more tax has to be extracted either from the capitalists or proles. Either way the quality of life of the prole will go down from lowered wages alone.

What do you mean user :^)

"But in the People's State of Marx, there will be, we are told, no privileged class at all. All will be equal, not only from the juridical and political point of view, but from the economic point of view. At least that is what is promised, though I doubt very much, considering the manner in which it is being tackled and the course it is desired to follow, whether that promise could ever be kept. There will therefore be no longer any privileged class, but there will be a government, and, note this well, an extremely complex government, which will not content itself with governing and administering the masses politically, as all governments do to-day, but which will also administer them economically, concentrating in its own hands the production and the just division of wealth, the cultivation of land, the establishment and development of factories, the organisation and direction of commerce, finally the application of capital to production by the only banker, the State. All that will demand an immense knowledge and many 'heads overflowing with brains' in this government. It will be the reign of scientific intelligence, the most aristocratic, despotic, arrogant and contemptuous of all regimes. There will be a new class, a new hierarchy of real and pretended scientists and scholars, and the world will be divided into a, minority ruling in the name of knowledge and an immense ignorant majority. And then, woe betide the mass of ignorant ones!

Such a regime will not fail to arouse very considerable discontent in this mass and in order to keep it in check the enlightenment and liberating government of Marx will have need of a not less considerable armed force. For the government must be strong, says Engels, to maintain order among these millions of illiterates whose brutal uprising would be capable of destroying and overthrowing everything, even a government directed by heads overflowing with brains." - Mikhail Bakunin

>LATE STAGE CAPITALISM IS JUST A MEME REEEEEE

>more tax has to be extracted
or just a good ole' QE

and yes, you can even just tax businesses directly, no need to involve the prole

>technology didn't make everything easier
Not buying this shit.
People can't even count change back to you if their register is disabled.

>capitalism and disparity increasing
>late stage

>nicememefaggot.jpg
>hurrr durrr what is a dynamic market, it's almost as if it goes up and down over time.

Sure as shit isnt communism.
Probably AI lead National Socialism. Its the only way to effectively decentralize power and remove cronyism without creating an ineffective society.

>In a truly free and equal society
>can't even own land
>free

You don't, you seem to think it's even possible to preclude trade for profit from the schema of things that happen without a state and even then communism just creates a capitalist black market underground. You will literally never succeed because your ideal communism is about as real and plausible as the tooth fairy.

>when your political ideology presupposes the world works the way you want it to
Kek
Prepare for disappointment commies

Post-scarcity futuro-anarchism.

>Its the only way to effectively decentralize power and remove cronyism without creating an ineffective society.
Fascism is just cronyism with the population held at gunpoint, cuck

Systems collapse is inevitable in all civilizations though. At some point, every economic system will collapse under it's own weight and be shoved back to the left.

youtube.com/watch?v=u-u4-Ey4ndw
youtube.com/watch?v=u-u4-Ey4ndw

>strawman image ignoring

>The Hitler regime’s economic policy, Galbraith goes on, involved “large scale borrowing for public expenditures, and at first this was principally for civilian work -- railroads, canals and the Autobahnen [highway network]. The result was a far more effective attack on unemployment than in any other industrial country.” “By late 1935,” he also wrote, “unemployment was at an end in Germany. By 1936 high income was pulling up prices or making it possible to raise them … Germany, by the late thirties, had full employment at stable prices. It was, in the industrial world, an absolutely unique achievement.” “Hitler also anticipated modern economic policy,” the economist noted, “by recognizing that a rapid approach to full employment was only possible if it was combined with wage and price controls. That a nation oppressed by economic fears would respond to Hitler as Americans did to F.D.R. is not surprising.”

>ihr.org/other/economyhitler2011.html

Get fucked, Commie waste of space.

>make a planet for people
>we all end up being worthless brains in jars, beholden forever to machines that have enslaved us, taken all our power away, and given us pathetic lives full of pointless hedonism that we will not enjoy because we don't have to work for

Sometimes when I'm tired and have to go to work, I look at my dog sleeping and envy him.

Then I realise that he is just a slave whose life has no meaning, and that if he was left alone, he would act like a wolf. He eats from a bowl because he has to, but deep down he wants to hunt.

And then I think about how it won't be long until we're all just dogs.

There will be some dark times coming in the next 15-20 years. Maybe even sooner. There is just too much tension and the powder keg is getting ready to explode.

Room 101

>You don't, you seem to think it's even possible to preclude trade for profit from the schema of things that happen without a state
That's how humans lived for centuries in agrarian societies, capitalism and systems of hierarchy are relatively new compared to the whole of human history. We can still go back to a system of mutual cooperation (and I don't mean some luddite bullshit, there's no reason to ditch modern tech) rather than one of hierarchy and exploitation like we have now.
>capitalist black market underground
How does one create a "black market" for the means of production? Farms, factories, mines, etc aren't really something you can just hide under your mattress
The idea is that you can still own land that you actually USE, because that would be personal property. Your home, your car, your belongings and things like that would all still belong to you. Things like your workplace would be owned by you along with your co-workers and together you would decide how to run it, instead of obeying your boss and having most of the value of your work going into his pockets.
Private property is shit that you don't actually use yourself but still profit from by having other people use it, like if some Wall Street fuck "owns" a mine on the other side of the country and has the state enforce his claim to that land by force.Private property is what the left seeks to abolish, not personal property.

nazi-kun user understands it

Firstly, this is not even possible. We live in what amounts to a sealed glass jar with certain things in it. There's only so much gold in the jar, it will never be magically so abundant that it loses intrinsic value.

Secondly, what actually needs to be "abundant" is energy. Presume for a moment that tomorrow someone invents the "Heisenburg Compensator" and we can now make a replicator and a transporter so there's instantly no more trash and everything is 100% recyclable/reusable and you have access to anything you want with the utterance of a few syllables.
What powers it? Who's going to make the replicators? Who fixes yours when it breaks? What do you use to motivate the person who has the knowledge and ability to fix your replicator when you cannot? Force?
Suddenly, out of the ether, you're reduced to sucking dick for a replicator.

...

National Bolshevism.

Jesus. I can't believe people actually think Bernie Sanders had a chance and winning the presidentcy still.

1) The dude didn't even win the nomination.
>but Shillary cheated!
If she cheated then he would have sued. He didn't sue because there wasn't any way for him to even SUE his way into a nomination. He lost but a landslide.

2) Did people not watch Trump go fucking slaughterhouse on the old, fat, republicans during the debates? Do you really think that Mr. "We need to give everyone free everything!" would have lasted 10 mins in the ring against Trump? Be fucking honest with yourself.

3) Sanders did not even give a fuck about the presidentcy. He did it for the fucking money you fools. Why hasn't anyone commented on the massive sums of campaign funding that he walked away with after his crushing defeat? Oh...right...because then we might look into why he bought another beach house and didn't feel the need to do something useful with the excess money from the campaign...you know...because he's a socialist and all.

They did that through massive borrowing. As Greece can tell you. Debt isn’t stable.

More capitalism

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! guys look!!!

>Materialism
You mean like how I want to have clothes? Or food? Or a place to store my clothes and food? Or a place to live so I can put my clothes and food and storage containers in there?
And how I like the new fangled modes of transport that allow me to efficiently gather food? And how I like to have a building to protect the transport from bad weather so it doesn't get damaged or stolen?
Or how I like to have some devices that let me communicate with the people who give me the means to acquire food?

It's so ridiculous when I hear people talk about how "capitalism" or "materialism" is a construct of society and some how unnatural. Go live in a fucking field and eat grass.

Why is Squidward saying fuck fascism? That's just one of many systems that oppose communism, like free market capitalism.

It's all about excess.

Utopia will never be remotely possible in our world

...

Even in post-scarcity (Star Trek) there will still be a commodity that is scarce: time. Only when time loses it's value will any of Marx's horseshit be anything more than a half thought out fantasy for lazy suburban white kids and by then we won't even be human anymore

>Crash Capitalism
You're retarded.
What you just described would just mean that a bunch of companies (essentially those that start using automation excessively in your example) will go out of business because the people who were formerly employed and had buying power no longer have buying power.

Ex. You work at a super market, make $10. Take $10 and buy $5 worth of food from the super market, then go to 7/11 and buy $5 pack of cigs.

New model, Super market and 7/11 have no people. The person has $0. The computer makes no money and the 7/11 makes no money. Both go out of business. Then, out of demand for a supermarket and a 7/11 the humans open a supermarket and a 7/11 that are run by humans. They make $10.

>commie
>strawmans Germany's successful socialist program because Leninism and Stalinism sucks horse cock and can't work anywhere
They borrowed money to subsidize their unemployed to produce raw materials and infrastructure for the private sector to use.
It was massively successful. Do you realize that borrowing money to create regenerating wealth is what 99.9999999999% of businesses do.. successfully.. everyday?
Fuckin commies are all stupid, I swear.
The day of the rotary isn't close enough.

came here for this. not dissapointed.