Should military service be mandatory?

Should military service be mandatory?

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military should be ended.
war is for bratty little children.

It should only be mandatory if you want to vote.

God no.

Can you just imagine putting guns into the hands of all these lefty crybaby kiddies.

Only retards sign up to die for ZOG.

This, only veterans and land owners should be able to vote.

No. Faggots and douchebags have no place in the military.

It already is americunt

Only veterans should be able to own land as well, proportional to their merits.

Jews can't be able to buy their power

Yes. It would give men of the west discipline and teach them not to be girls.

>posts picture of universe that has voluntary service
I know burgers cant into books but at least watch the film.

What happens if a nation of bratty little children invades your mature defenseless society?

Maybe some good old-fashioned discipline would prevent them from developing such degenerate tendencies in the first place.

If we could un-cuck ourselves by becomeing frogging Prussia that would be great

yes good goyim, everyone should be forced to work for le glorious government just like in based israel who you will all be dying for

> mobile infantry made me the man I am today

>mandatory for voting privilege

yes

No.
Collectivism does not work in a multi ethnic society.

Only if the politicans are not leftards and national unity is strengthened

>Should military service be mandatory?

Is Buenos Aires gonna get ((asteroided)) soon?

Not only retards, but welfare-niggers too. They want all dem (((benefits)))

Voting should be dependent on military or civil service.

Volunteer firefighting, volunteering at hospitals, cleaning up your community's streets and help fixing roads, etc etc.

It should not be limited to just the military.

No. But you should do it to earn the right to vote.

Only if people need to die.

Perhaps having some discipline beat into them help them not be such whiny faggots?

Yes. National service of some sort. Right after high school, if not enrolled in college. 2 years minimum. Do you want to kill people? Join the army. Do you want to build shit? Join a Public Works Administration.

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>posts a picture of starship troopers
Military service wasn't even mandatory in that story.

Honestly yes. It works pretty well for South Korea and Israel.

>BUGS CANT MELT PLASMA
>BUENOS AIRES WAS AN INSIDE JOB TO GO TO WAR WITH KLENDATHU
>WAKE UP CITIZENS

Everyone pushing this idea seems to think it would instill military values among the wider populace, when it would more likely infect the military with civilian leftist cancer.

Absolutely because we need to kick the cuck out these fucking faggots that live in the 21st century.

Provided everyone starts at the same point, including kids from lawmakers and all parts of the government. It would be a good way to reduce war knowing your kids are about to be sent in arms way.

Close, only veterans should be allowed to own land

Yes. If you don't own property, then the military should be your only route to all the benefits of citizenship. Heinlein was right.

It depends on a situation. If you have enough volunteers and money to pay, better create a nice professional army of devoted warriors.

If'you're a micronation, better give some training to every man and conscript a part of them.

Yeah but they should fix the whole training course. Its too harsh and they yell at you too much.

I didn't like it.

But it already is?

No, it's a free country. You're free to disagree with the military and thus not serve.
However it should be compulsory for anyone who wants to be a politician, like it was in Rome.
That way, only people who understand war can declare it.

That's crazy as it would promote war just so you can become a veteran and own land.

I think tax payers should be in there too. That would cut out welfare shitheads and liberal children living off their parents.

What? If you want to vote in starship troopers and be a citizen then you have to serve in the military

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On this note, why does Russia still stick to conscription?

Do they not change because the top military still sticks to soviet doctrine? Or because there would not be enough volunteers for a professional army? Stagnation?

>If you want
thats not what mandatory means

Basic weapons, fitness, and survival training should be mandatory but a massive standing military causes more problems than it solves. Militia are a much better option.

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If you're being honest, you are everything wrong with this country.

I know what the word mandatory means. I still think that starship troopers is a good picture to use

Boot camp should be mandatory, however service shouldn't be

He's right though. The whole Drill Sargent thing is a creepy BDSM fantasy of homoerotic orgiin.
Imagine taking a archetypical alpha male like Conan the Barbarian and putting him in the US Military.
Do you think he'd stand for the Drill Sargent's abuse? Fuck no he'd disembowel him and take over the company creating his own mercenary unit.
But ideally you want archetypical alphas in your military....so...it must change. Or continue only allowing cucks in, whichever.

Has anyone got an idea of how training/drill stage was in countries like Nat-soc Germany, maybe Chile and Bongland?

I honestly think its draconian and the system should be updated There are better ways to make people obey, like group therapy and stuff.

Yes however put two conditions on it. You only gain the right to vote once you join and do your time AND females cannot join the military.

There you go, you just solved a ton of issues.

only people who pay taxes should be able to vote.
just like the parents who pay the bills make the family decisions, not the children.

Fucking bug loving traitor.

You know that the boot camp instructors are in the military too right? How do you explain them as being archetypal alpha male? Bootcamp teaches you the system you're getting into and gives you a respect for the chain of command. Leaders still develop amongst the ranks.

Interesting question.

Why? Even the military doesn't want conscription.

>parents who pay the bills make the family decisions
That was never the case.
Women make most of the household decisions and traditionally did not work and thus did not pay the bills.
They're not.
I could never imagine Conan wasting his time bullying 18 year old rookies. He has monsters to fuck and poon to slay.
Don't get me wrong, leadership is good, but leadership in the military is generally unearned leading to a gradeschool system of "I am the trainer I'm going to call you a faggot now listen to me" that I just can't respect.

Military life is already hard enough picking up slack for all the fucks who at one time WANTED to be there then got cold feet at what hard work is.

I'd murder people if I had to do my job AND babysit a bunch of nu-males riding out their single year of service as a fucking NUB then leaving when they finally become proficient enough to do things that matter.

All while soaking up the training budget while I already have to suck dick to get funding to send my guys to schools we are REQUIRED to man.

Absolutely not, there's no point in having an entire nation of cuckold retards. You are basically asking for your nation to go to shit.

Not military but civil service in general should be required to vote.

SS officers had to care for a baby cat during the course of their training. At the end they were told to pluck its eyes out to prove they can follow orders without attachments etc etc the usual edgy stuff. Or so they say. Could be jewish fanfiction.

Bongland was never fascist though.

I found this.
youtube.com/watch?v=C5xacClG3m0

The military indoctrinates people to obey the government. Ever notice the way society works in Starship Troopers? The people are all brainwashed. The only places where mandatory service makes any sense are countries that are under perpetual threat or attack.

All I know is that grizzled old servicemen who all went through bootcamp are alpha as fuck 20 years later

If you want to vote.

kek
theyd collectively take the weapons and shoot their higher ups
I imagine them all running for the hills of nowhere and laugh

>Should military service be mandatory?


I guess to me it depends on which country i lived in. I would really hate being forced to serve in my countries military when they're just handing the nation over to migrants anyway, nationalism is considered evil, and all the white men that died for my nation have been forgotten. Fuck no it shouldn't be mandatory.

Yeah, I know how the soviet era drill/ boot camp was quite well, but Prussian infused Chile seems very intriguing, as well as N Germany and Britain for contrast

I know lots of vets because I'm from a conservative area, some of them genuinely improved by the training. Some of them are cucked beyond recognition now though.
I mean alpha males don't drink themselves to death or wake up at night screaming or shoot themselves.
The best leaders are leaders by nature, you can't teach that. When you try, you get drill sargents.

conscription is slavery. War is a means to a political goal. People don't agree with the particular goals of a particular war shouldn't be expected to fight. If that means having nobody willing to fight for the survival of the nation and/or the state then so be it. A nation/state without any patriots willing to risk their lives in its defense probably isn't worth saving anyway.

um... no, sweetie.
the husband AND the wife both made decisions for the family. I dunno what sorta (((feminist))) household you grew up in, in normalville, the father handles the disciplining and financial decisions, and the mother does the minor infractions and has to coordinate with the father on a lot.

We have nukes, any real war in the future is going to be over very quickly

You probably know that our army is a 100% criminal organization, right? When Stalin (IIRC) made it legal for criminals after prison to be conscripted, it lost the last chance to become a proper oganization.

In 90s nobody respected army or soldiers, it was considered prison, slavery and shiet for those unlucky or poor enough to not stay free. Now the situation is improved but only by a hair actually.

>top military still sticks to soviet doctrine? Or because there would not be enough volunteers for a professional army
Both.

No

Absolutely.

Although, an involuntary force is an ineffective force. There should be two tiers: voluntary and conscription.

Everyone gets 1 year after high-school conscripted. After the one year, the option to voluntarily stay is offered, with time served.

years active experience

I'm from a literal farm town.
Men control the garage, the tools within that garage, home repair, and the bbq. Plus the TV, if they're lucky.
Women control all the money and all the man's free time.
If you knew any adult men, you'd know about honey dos.

Do you have that "dodge conscription via studying and other obligations" law enacted? If I remember correctly, we passed it after independence and before we switched to professional army, i.e. if you were studying and such you wouldn't get called in to service

Yes. Civil service/military service combo.
I know socialism is bad but people lose sense of community and humanity in modern world.

Maybe militia or some civic duty for all, but active military should be selected for physical ability and mental toughness.

Men gather and save resources, and women utilize those resources for the family benefit.

This is the way it has always been.

wait
men AND women???

Because if it's mandatory, there's no way in this society that women aren't gonna be logically forced into the same duty

This and nothing but this.
>A happy wife = a happy life.

>A nation/state without any patriots willing to risk their lives in its defense probably isn't worth saving anyway.
haha oh a kraut bringing the bantz?
or muhammad?

>"dodge conscription via studying and other obligations" law
Yes.

YES. More troops = more (((wars in the middle east)))
Good goyim. 6000000/10

Wrong, fuck property, you want benefits of citizenship service period.

*cough* Roman Empire

sure, but ill go live in the northern mountains

If it was, we'd have a lot less left-wingers.

Yes and if you say no you're a lazy fat cunt

The Singaporeans did it completely wrong and their business culture suffered as a result.

Not in the USA.

I can understand the merits of national conscription:
1) fit, healthy populace
2) teach some life skills, survival, navigation
3) develop group cohesion
4) learn to defend yourself
5) entire population knows first aid

But to force people into servitude goes against the spirit of this country, and if not at war, I feel rubs up against the 3rd and 4th amendment.

However states on their own could require service in their respective national guards.

I think you could get more interest in national service if there were a civilian engineering corps. or other non-military opportunities. It sounds lame and pussy, but a lot of people don't want to join the military industrial machine.

You are not being forced just making a choice to serve so you can vote. Too many in the US can vote but hate the country. That makes no sense.

Still is being done that way in Nippon senpai.

Wives give their husbands an allowance and save the rest of the money. A lot of jokes about not getting a big enough allowance from the waifu when people go out drinking at the end of the week.

You're probably right, but it'll never happen.
Still though, military veterans tend to actually pay attention to politics after they get out. Bare minimum they can usually tell you the three branches of government and name a handful of politicians they admire/hate as well as give logical reason for their opinions.
Joe Average just looks for the R or the D.

Yes in an ideal state. Not right now when we would all be sent to fight for the kikes.

No, and the movie (book) your pic examples actually advocates for an all volunteer military. In fact, the book goes so far as to insist that anyone who wants to leave can leave at any time, unless they're deployed to a combat zone (during which, going awol is punishable by death).

I do believe that voting should require some kind of prerequisite however, maybe a minimum term of military service would be a good option here, but giving the option to quit at any time (again, outside of combat deployment) should be included under the exception that anyone who doesn't complete one full term cannot vote.