Alright Libertardians I've Had Enough, Explain Yourselves!

> your philosophy.
> more government is always bad.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe you like this idea because it's child-tier philosophy and it doesn't require you to think? It's like someone coming up with a philosophy that all warmth is bad because they touched fire and got burned. Ever hear of context? Like, heat is good in winter but too much will get you burned? Maybe reality isn't as simple as you want it to be? Maybe excess wealth leads to (listen up because this is important) unequal access to the means of acquiring wealth, leading to a naturally uneven competitive playing field, thus justifying taxation to help level the playing field by redistributing a portion of the wealth? Imagine a baseball game where a winning team can hand it's wins to the next team and give it a boost and the bigger the boost the more points they start out with and the more the rules bend in their favor, like you get more strikes before being out. Now imagine this compounding over generations. Does this sound like a fair baseball game? Sounds like 'better teams' will lose to shittier teams. Inb4 'Life isn't fair', the whole moral framework of your ideology is that a persons earnings should not be stolen from them by the gov't because they earned it somehow by hardwork. If the playing field is uneven they might not have earned shit, thus undercutting your whole argument that taxation is theft. Think about it libertardians.

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>thus justifying taxation to help level the playing field
Survival of the fittest. In a free market without government involvement and regulations, you can do what you need to survive and if it has traction it will grow. If you are immoral or stupid, people will recognize it and you will fail. Self regulating machine that allows the best and brightest to gather the most resources, therefore have the most offspring, and create more intelligent kids in a cycle of ever-improving society and weeding out the stupid and weak (who will still get the benefits of living in a good society but will not contribute much to the gene pool).
>Imagine a baseball game where a winning team can hand it's wins to the next team and give it a boost and the bigger the boost the more points they start out with and the more the rules bend in their favor, like you get more strikes before being out.
This implies that there is an overarching force bending the rules for the winning teams while imposing rules on the shitty teams. In a truly free society, the other teams could decide that they don't want to play by the rules any more and undercut the big winners. But your analogy doesn't work because it uses an Organization of some sort to impose limitations/regulations that would not be present in the truly free market or free (baseball) competition.

Lets just burn our hands people! Its like you overthink everything!

>Imagine a baseball game where a winning team can hand it's wins to the next team and give it a boost and the bigger the boost the more points they start out with and the more the rules bend in their favor, like you get more strikes before being out.

It's more like, imagine a baseball game but the other team is losing. Big Daddy Government doesn't like this and believes in "equality" so moves in and takes your points and hands them to the other team.

Prove that central planning is more efficient than the free market, otherwise you have no argument.

>Maybe excess wealth leads to (listen up because this is important) unequal access to the means of acquiring wealth
Sure... If I labor to provide my children a better future, that's what I hope to achieve.

>leading to a naturally uneven competitive playing field
This isn't a game, I'm not taking food away from others, I'm not injuring them, their odds of success are none of my business or responsibility.

>, thus justifying taxation to help level the playing field by redistributing a portion of the wealth
Not a FUCKING GAME... You can't complain about shit being imba, there are no nerfs.

> Imagine a baseball game
WOW, I hadn't read ahead, and this comes up, lmao... I don't think I need to read further.

Eh, I'll continue to answer your post... Thought It's gonna be hard changing your mind, it's been conditioned by generations of lefties telling you what to think.

> is that a persons earnings should not be stolen from them by the gov't because they earned it somehow by hardwork.
If I give you money because I think you deserve it, you'll get an advantage other people didn't, though it did come from hard work, maybe not YOUR hard work, but in a society where you voluntarily exchange labor for goods, and where you can give your goods to others, unless the law is broken, all acquired wealth is deserved, and thus all acquired advantage.

>If the playing field is uneven they might not have earned shit, thus undercutting your whole argument that taxation is theft. Think about it libertardians.
Who are you to define who deserves my money? Who are you to say that, by me choosing to give money to my children, that money is not deserved? I'm the one who acquired it, I'm the one who labored, how come I don't get to say my children deserve it?

Take a moment to consider this, cause you're wrong, but you might see the light.

>your philosophy
>more government is always bad

Stopped reading right there. Libertarianism is not anarchy. It's a broad philosophy and there are varying degrees and definitions, depending on whom you're speaking with. Some libertarians are anarcho-capitalists, some are minarchists, some are basically just conservatives who care more about civil liberties than other issues, some are just independents fed up with the government getting bigger and bigger. You've started your argument with a straw man, and not just any straw man, but the single most common libertarian straw man. It's already apparent you don't know what you're talking about.

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Stefan Molyneux has very good arguments for free market/libertarianism. Perhaps you should listen for a while and think about your OP before trying to be condescending about something you apparently don't understand very well.

Funny how he accuses us of picking an ideology because it requires no thinking then goes ahead and analyzes economy like if it was zero sum.

Fucking brainlets.

These guys never had a chance

>inb4 OP's 3.14 gorillion guaranteed (You)s
>>you don't think like me
>>oh hey i know how to change your mind
>>i'll insult and harangue you until you see it my way
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tl;dr lol. looks like just another whiny little bitch who lacks the capacity for individual thought and thus needs the government to tell him what to do and how to think.

keep on boot licking and jock strap sniffing, idiot.

Your flame analogy is pretty good.. Often it is said that Liberty is like fire. It can be used to cook food, but also used to burn the house down.

Libertarianism is often too ideological, though I believe they are absolutely necessary to hear in today's political/social climate of government dependence. At the same time, when it comes to the private/cultural climate we have become too libertarian and the result is the "degeneracy" Sup Forums loves to point out.

People always say the green square doesn't really exist in the political compass. But they couldn't be more wrong. I would argue that the western world is almost entirely in the green square because we have combined the social welfare state with this private/cultural libertarianism. Basically as people we get all the rights and freedoms we could possibly ask for, but all the obligations and responsibilities have been taken up by the state. The result is BIG government. So ironically Libertarianism can be the handmaiden to big government. Highly recommend reading William Gairdner's blog if you're interested in this line of thought.

There's always two sides to every exchange. Those who have acquired an abundance of wealth have done so because they've produced goods or services for the masses. Thereby, increasing the living standards for the masses they serve. It's false to think that many of the 1% acquired their wealth from ripping someone off. It's not that simple. The 1% is an ever dynamic class whose characters--those who make up the class--are always changing.

>At the same time, when it comes to the private/cultural climate we have become too libertarian and the result is the "degeneracy" Sup Forums loves to point out.
Libertarianism is not without morality. You can be extremely libertarian, even anarchist and not be a degenerate. You just don't have the state making laws against degeneracy.
In this society, there would not be specific Legal punishment for degenerate activities (like sex out of marriage), but there would be a strong moral and societal disapproval and shame of degeneracy. You don't need the government to prevent people from fucking around and destroying their own lives and their childrens' futures, but the disgust of your family and friends (who ideally understand the problems that degeneracy brings down the line) would help keep you from making stupid impulsive instant-gratification decisions.

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Libertarians don't care about race and culture, so they need to die.

Hope for hoppe

They are forever traitor, never trust them, they only care about individuality.

The weak, stupid, and poor don't deserve to live.

>Strawman : the post

I never see a libertarian that see more ambitious than it's little rat dick.

But it's not a mere philosophy, but more an observation of pattern. A baseline government is a good thing, no libertarian worth his salt would argue that we ought to be back in the wild west days of lawlessness. What we are against are all the systems that get in the way of the natural order that rewards the smart, strong, and hard working while ignoring the type who leech on others.

There's no moral good in being forced to cater to the week. Helping those who cannot get by should be voluntary. This also creates incentive for people to be less of an asshole in general.

Wrong
Dont got the roth qoutes ready, or the hoppe ones.
But it is very white supremist and would enforce segregation amoung race

They hate christianity, they hate border and nations, they are the destroyer of white race.

And the worse, they're proud of it.

The pure is comming near you.

Why don't you research what notable libertarian philosophers have had to say about the subject?

PURGE

I agree with you for the most part. The biggest point is that as a society we have been given liberty without responsibility (and so it falls upon the state) and that is the reason why we have degeneracy. I'll illustrate with an example:

A woman can get pregnant from a random guy who takes off. Normally there would be serious social repercussions for that woman, but because the welfare state will provide her with medical and financial aid there is no real punishment for acting lasciviously. So that kind of behaviour is encouraged, and even lauded as some sort of sexual freedom.

The problem is real freedom is always paired with an equal responsibility. The freedom to fuck who you want should be paired with the responsibility of having to care and provide for any children that may come from that, or pay any medical bills (birth, STD treatments, etc). But many western nations have divorced Liberty from Responsibility by placing all these obligations on the lap of the state.

Wrong m8, individuals are what we are, take ownership like a greek and love your "city"

How can I be a traitor if I never agreed to an alliance in the first place?

Minimal government means minimal corruption.
Minimal regulation means minimal corporatism as an open market allows small fish to backstab the bigger fish IE the tech industry.
Big government was what went wrong in Nazi Germany, not the philosophy of a German ethno state.

>Libertarianism would result in smaller government
>Thinking all-powerful corporations won't lobby for more government to gain even more control

the preference for less government has more to do with practical experience than philosophy

"taxation is theft" falls within the NAP, which is basically the foundation of every moral framework mankind has ever adopted.

I think you need to read some more about this before your next spergin thread.

Absolutly wrong

What I believe in is Personal Responsibility. I am against the welfare state that rewards bad behavior. This is based on traditional American values.
What made America great is freedom to build on your ideas and start business, this created jobs. The ability to acquire wealth based on the work you do. America has done nothing but go downhill since POTUS Johnson's Great Society, and the socialist idea that do nothings should still have a high standard of living.
Your socialist ideas do not work!! Tell me any place on Earth where Socialism has worked. On any even playing field Capitalism kicks Socialism' s butt. Not until Capitalism starts to embrace the social ideas does the strain of the social construct start to bring it down. Then to hide this face they bring in race shaming to cover their ass.

No gobernment no regulations to lobby for

Lobbying is a meme that is rapidly dying. The real subterfuge is now companies putting their guys into positions of power in government. Look up any organization that has to do with goods and services and a lot of those people were former higher ups of a private industry.

LOL libertarians.
Muh free market and self regualtion.
Never heard of leverage you bunch of motherfucking stupids ass cunts

I'm not sure if lobbying is a meme, but you're right - the Revolving Door is perhaps an even bigger thread. Look how many people come from Goldman Sachs and other large banks/corporations.

Hey, best friend

Prove to me you can have big government without white genocide.

Pro tip: You literally can't.

Lets do this

I want gibs to disappear and see what happens.

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>t.bootlicker

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>Makes baseless claim
>Gets called out
>Makes another baseless claim
You really made me think. Shill.

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they don't deserve other's labour

>what is a heuristic

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Fuck off idiot. Lolbergs are not us. They are communists trying to subvert Libertarians

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BTFO

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Absolutist monarchies were white.
And in any case, there's no bigger government than each man and woman larping as the state in his 'personal castle'.

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