As someone who was underaged and thus mostly protected from the details of the events, i wanted to ask any of the older posters here what the common larger scale response was to Abu Ghraib? Obviously most people would call for the punishment of those involved and i assume the shut down of the establishment from some circles, but how did it (if at all) affect the national mentality towards the war as a whole? Also, is there a public website anyone knows of where the released/leaked pictures and videos can be seen?
Asking both americans and foreigners on the thoughts and experiences of the time
Jacob Price
Nobody really cared.
People were and are more butthurt about guantanamo
Jonathan Collins
If I remember correctly, everyone just blamed it on the individuals involved.
Cameron Myers
literally a nothingburger in Denmark. Guantanamo was more of a problem but was explained to the public as "Americans will be Americans. What can you do?"
Lucas Clark
>getting upset about a photo op good goy
Evan Adams
Pretty much this. there was a little bit of fuss and talk about "oh we should be treating them better" but people quickly forgot about it and didn't really care whether or not conditions for prisoners were improving.
Brody Perry
>i wanted to ask any of the older posters here what the common larger scale response was to Abu Ghraib?
It was in the news for a week or two. Pretty much only liberals cared. Average Americans either didn't give a shit like usual, or supported it.
Nicholas Lee
The victims were male so no-one really cared.
Isaiah Turner
Thing I didn't understand is, people were butthurt about the shame torture.
So fucking what?
That's nothing in the grand scheme. I'd take that over batteries and pliers any day.
Hudson Rogers
Disappointment, disgust, and a complete lack of surprise.
Anthony Ramirez
There were woman and (reportedly, i obviously cant find the evidence of it) children raped as well
Bentley Wood
only cuckservatives defended it
obama said he'd shut it down but deep state power is the real authority in america
Carson Martin
It made some ripples in the media, but it basically became a literal parody of itself over the years as various cartoons and artists took the imagery and turned it humorous/ironic
Carson Lewis
It was wrong and I won't defend it, but it's hard to get upset about it because if the roles were reversed, they would do immensely worse things to us.
Carter Perez
I literally went to DC to protest it (and the Patriot Act). Sadly my fellow protesters acted like idiots and nobody got the message.
Aiden Gutierrez
yeah don't forget our CIA and their hand in torture all over the world.
Jayden Cooper
The same loud minority we have today was loud about that too.
Anyone not cucked didn't care
Nathaniel Hill
I don't think anyone got raped desu. Maybe there was like one dude who caught a finger in the tush but that's about it. It was just about humiliating them.
And basically from what I remember, and I might be wrong, only 1 or 2 of the dudes were innocent of anything and the others were insurgents so, tough luck I guess.
Wyatt Turner
I'm a batteries and pliers sorta guy myself..each to their own I guess
James White
if i was treated like this, I'd do everything I can to come to Europe, Canada or US as refugee and fuck every single women at every age group anywhere I can.. I wouldn't stop untill I got killed.
Caleb Reyes
Nobody really cared, others rejoiced.
Evan Rodriguez
the kikes are mocking you for your shame based society vs their "guilt based society". sounds strange ik
Ian Foster
This explains Bradley Manning.
William Collins
Reallistically, you probably wouldn't. You'd probably lay low, stay out of trouble and never want to talk about it.
Cooper Evans
> One Dept in the Army ran wild thanks to a stupid female General who couldn't do her job.
> Male General found out about it, shut it down and told the media.
> Media goes REEEEEEEEEEE and pretended they are actual reporters that discovered the story on her own.
> Pentagon tries to make the media stop going REEEEEEEEEEE and has an investigation.
Joseph Lewis
we had already been desensitized to torture by hollywood movies. when the pics came out of naked human pyramids etc. nobody cared.
Cooper Cook
No, it was the women that were shaming the men.
Being that they're islamic it's one of the greatest instances of shame they can feel. But all that does is create a fetish, that's not really torture.
Samuel Jenkins
Awkward erections
Angel Powell
Nobody cared because it was happening to illiterate shit skins. They could have literally disembowled and hung them on meat hooks like beef at a butcher plant, and no one would have fucking cared. Just like today.
Parker Fisher
Honestly it made people more sympathetic too the Muslims and probably contributed to the shit we see now where people are TOO sympathetic towards them.
Dylan Clark
>One Dept in the Army
It was national guard and reservists
Dominic Ortiz
I didn't think it be like it does, but it do.
That's how I dealt with it.
Brayden Bailey
This, nobody really cared. There were some left-wing politicians who screamed murder, but the man on the street had a good laugh about it and that was all.
Jeremiah Reed
In western society that is just an acceptable fetish. So most people totally oversaw that point. The same with the dogs and walking without shoes.
Luis Allen
Like I said, I'd take psychological torture every single day of the week (there's a reason I've been here nearly a decade and a half now)
Tyler Thomas
>insurgents were shocking our dudes with car batteries, waterboarding them, crushing nuts, burning, raping female POWs, etc >media gets upset when some female officer and her buddies line some prisoners up for goofy photos
No wonder we started handing important prisoners over to the Iraq Security Force.
Austin Morales
So your sitting around your buddy want you to go fight infidels. Your all for it. Then one day you see the gay pile and decide to stat home from then on.
Parker Wood
Oh I see it now, I missed it you already called it a fetish.
Gavin Bennett
more proof that Americans are all degenerates. Trump is a perfect president for this cesspool.
Gavin Myers
I was in the U.S. Army at the time. No one can excuse this behavior. Never take pictures of you or your comrades torturing prisoners. The pictures WILL get out. I met an Infantryman who told me a story about a CIA agent torturing an Iraqi.
Anthony King
FOUR MORE YEARS OF FUCKING TORTURE!
Christian Foster
what and deprave them of their rights? >anybody who thinks what you do is a sick fucker
Aaron Richardson
>Never take pictures of you or your comrades torturing prisoners. The pictures WILL get out. Honestly this, it's creation of evidence. Same goes for nudes in general. Or nudes OF generals.
Jaxon Smith
Clearly those muzzies are faggots
Our govt should stay out of their bedrooms. Besides no need to victim shame. We really need to check our privilege on this one user
Parker James
Wasn't much different from today. There was about a week of outrage, but then some sports event or TV premiere got everyone's attention.
A lot of it was the shock that one of the Americans abusing the prisoners was a woman, albeit a butch one. They couldn't comprehend a woman doing something evil especially in the military
Nolan Martin
The entire point of torture is victim shaming.
Landon Cooper
There was a lot of outrage over anything associated with Bush. Imagine muh Russia gate times 20. Bush didnt have the type of base support Trump has so there wasnt a lot of people stepping up to defend
Eli Brooks
Only libshits cared about Guantanamo.
Jaxon Diaz
Not many people saw the full picture set, just the few they showed on TV.
Would have been a lot different in the current era when the entire set would be passed around social media uncensored
Dylan Russell
The media had a field day and then went too far. This dude and the Boston Globe posted photos they claimed were of soldiers gang raping female prisoners. Freepers investigated and found the Globe had stolen the pictures from a fantasy role playing pay per view porn site. The papers refused to back down for a while and then issued a page 10 apology (Rathergate anyone?) and the pic related got busted in 2007 by the v& for corruption.
Cameron Russell
more of this would put those goddamn arabs in their place
Luis Watson
I only care because it isn't in the U.S.
Have the balls to do it on soil, or don't do it.
Elijah Gutierrez
got the pic?
Caleb Cook
The entire point of torture is to have fun, silly.
Nathaniel Barnes
War is death and destruction. What were you thinking it was?
Joshua Long
Dealing with people that get sepsis isn't really fun.
Psych torture, I agree.
Joseph Evans
Burger here, can confirm true
James Sanchez
the one that looked like jeezer
Caleb Lopez
Nah I never saved them. I remember them being over the top THIS IS OBVIOUSLY FUCKING PORN pictures. Like literally. Like chicks with tats and half the set falling down...a Simpsons poster off in the corner etc.
Jack Cruz
>not making him stand on one leg with both arms above his head
Torture my ass.
Much to learn, you have.
Brandon Scott
>Be Military in Iraq >Story Comes out >Leaders gather us all in a room >"This is what happens when you fuckballs take pictures of you doing shit. Stop it!" >Go back to playing spades and smoking and drinking a fuckton of Rip It's.
Besides, what the captured prisioners did to each other was worse... much worse.
Aaron Cruz
The balls to do what? Guantanamo detainees are (in theory) enemy combatants, they legally deserve nothing more than a bullet between the eyes. If it's logistically easier (and cheaper) to interrogate them on an island, why the fuck would we bring them to the US?
Kevin Ortiz
looks comfy desu
Jose Martin
>The balls to do what
Torture. They don't do it here because they aren't allowed to, has zero to do with logistics.
Owen Myers
holy shit who took this photo this is just sad
Mason Campbell
My LT had a collection of piss bottles in his office...
Owen Scott
yeah that was the one on the covers of all the magazines
a lot of people probably didnt even know it went further than that
Jaxon Williams
Why the fuck did they take pictures of it?
Liam Wood
>Female general
Why am I not surprised
John Gonzalez
Most people here rolled their eyes because this is standard issue American ill discipline.
Isaac Davis
>I met an Infantryman who told me a story about a CIA agent torturing an Iraqi.
“We had to march to this barn, which wasn’t actually a barn, but it was because it was out in the middle of nowhere and surrounded my farms. Anyway, we had to pick up a prisoner that was being held by the CIA, because they don’t drop people off to us because they don’t want to give away their position. When we rolled up we approached with caution until they gave us the signal that the place was safe to enter.
Inside I met a guy with a beard that said his name was George and I needed to go in the next room to see a different guy named George, so I went in and there was a guy tied to a chair all beat up and bloody. I asked one of the guys, ‘Are you George?’ He pointed to the guy next to him and said ‘Yeah and this guy is also named George.’ The third guy walked over and I asked, ‘Let me guess, your name is George too?’ He said ‘No its, Shirley.’ I said, ‘Wait a minute these guys are all named George and your name is.’
‘Shut up!’, he interrupted before I could finish. One of the Georges asked me, ‘Hey, do you mind passing me one of those hoses from over there?’ I said sure and handed him a hose. He looks at it and says, ‘It’s a little small. I was hoping for a bigger one, but this will do.’ He took the hose and started beating the shit out of this guy tied to the chair and when he was done I said, ‘Holy shit, you just beat the shit out of that guy.’
One of the other Georges said, ‘You like that? You should have seen what he did to the last guy.’ When we got the prisoner back to base, my commander looks at him and asked me, ‘Why the hell is he all beat up?’ I just told him, ‘I don’t know, I just found him this way.’"
Wyatt Gutierrez
Lol dumb kike., this is what created ISIS. Baghdadi was one of those prisoners.
Juan Diaz
IIRC weren't there some instances of sodomization with objects?
Cooper Taylor
Fun fact. The torture techniques used were directly derived from the British "hooded men" compound at Ballykelly.
Thank you based limeyfags.
Brandon Cox
That was the NYPD.
Brandon Thomas
I think some were shot, beaten, burned, and sodomized with objects.
Ayden Diaz
thanks for the windows XP key. I can finally upgrade.
Zachary Bell
He was being shocked wires on his fingers.
Joshua Garcia
basically a place for rapist american troops to rape men.
Brandon Roberts
I know, why do you think he's standing on a box?
The floor is wet.
Evan Fisher
Like everything in this sick times people cared for 2-3 days, then moved on.
Robert Evans
>mudslimes are savages and we are nothing like them >I mean they would do the same to us, why shouldn't we do the same to them?
Charles Adams
who are you quoting?
Eli Brown
We aren't beheading them in captivity, are we?
Zachary Evans
The what now? Guantanamo Bay is American territory.
Ryan Campbell
>is American territory.
This old game again. It is the corporation of the United States' property. It is not America.
Brayden Bennett
how many whites did the muslims torture and how many white families that theyve replaced?
Joshua Price
>how did it (if at all) affect the national mentality towards the war as a whole?
nobody gave a shit, everyone knows sailors are gay
John Lewis
>whocareslol
Juan Clark
>stupid female General who couldn't do her job >female
THERE it is.
#notallwomen amirite
Jace Brooks
>how many whites did the muslims torture
Less than zetas have, tbqh
Henry Campbell
>animals tread like animals Nothing of value was lost.
Austin Torres
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serb generals got convinced for command responsibility in bosnia for less. no one past immediate superiors was even court martialled for abu ghraib.
Cameron Parker
that was because America won and you know how they act and think. Nothing to do with justice or law.
Jackson Thomas
What? If a land is your property, it is your land.
Brandon Price
The Muslims wanted to do that to each other before they got there.
Camden Evans
Blame Carla "cunta" del Ponte for that.
John Ross
Because that kind of bragging rights/one-up culture is understandably rampant in the armed forces. "Look what WE got away with!" So then why couldn't have we stayed home?
Nathaniel Bell
Everyone was happy about it. Shitskins deserve to be tortured.
Joseph Rogers
>So then why couldn't have we stayed home?
Because somehow, someone took our post-9/11 war boner and focused it on a country that had nothing to do with it.