How did THIS become "the American dream"? If you look at the fastest-growing metro areas in the US (places like Houston...

How did THIS become "the American dream"? If you look at the fastest-growing metro areas in the US (places like Houston, Phoenix, Dallas, etc.), large chunks of those areas are sprawled-out hellscapes full of obese mystery-meat people shutting between disparate locations via freeways. Is this how American capitalism and modernity eventually ends up?

Owning a car has always been part of the American dream. You get to freely travel without relying on others for transportation. Although I would prefer that highways be hidden under ground, in order so things could be built on top.

You can travel freely without cars. Even a bicycle allows you to travel freely.

So do your own feet.

>How did THIS become "the American dream"?

You already know it's Jews that are behind it all. I laugh at the Americucks (especially the ones on Sup Forums) that defend this type of lifestyle when you're slaving yourself to the Jews with your sacred car culture

Lord knows.

nice fantasy, but in many areas of the us, the sprawl was specifically developed in the 50s-70s to require a car and not be walkable (to keep out the riff-raff)

Can confirm. Looking at that photo gives me ptsd because I start thinking about being stuck in traffic. Don't hate Houston too much though. The suburb life is great

>a bicycle and walking is the same thing as having a car
t. yuropoor who doesn't have a car

Same. My family moved to a suburb north of Atlanta when Atlanta first start booming in the 90s. I spent an ungodly amount of my youth sitting in a car in traffic. So glad I got out of that place. It's an awful lifestyle. Really the only good thing about it is the cost of living in these booming cities is low, so you can get a nice house for little money, but you spend your entire life in the fucking car, driving to and from work. From one strip mall to another. On one highway to the next. And it's not even pleasant driving, like driving in the country. You're constantly on edge and frustrated, since there's so much traffic.

houston is a endless cycle of sprawl because of white flight
>new neighborhood built
>white people buy new houses
>after 10 years developer builds apartment complex
>houses being sold in droves
>developer also builds new neighborhood without apartments yet
>whites who just sold their houses move to new neighborhood because diversity hasnt arrived yet

its basically the business model of developers in cities like houston and they own the gov't in places like that

I've been to Atlanta several times. Honestly had a great time visiting family. I would even consider moving there

don't listen to this guy, he's a developer

>shutting between disparate locations
You mean having a job?

Lots of people are moving to Texas for job opportunity. Of course there will be high demand for new houses to be built in order to accommodate them.

most of them from the shittier regions of the south and most jobs being retail

I'm from Houston, moved to Dallas a year ago and I might move back to Houston. Dallas has the most put of state license plates I've ever seen. A good chunk of them are from places like Alabama and Mississippi. It's fucking strange because I always thought Houston was a transplant city but apparently we get immigrants while this city gets the shittiest people from out of state. Everybody here is rude as fuck compared to back home.

dallas is practically oklahoma, and a cultural wasteland in comparison to houston, the only thing going for it is the show dallas which is drawing in all the alabamans and missippians

Supermetros are hell on earth.

>Even a bicycle allows you to travel freely.
Not in Oregon. Use your feet in any semblance, pay the fee. Weren't people told to rely less on vehicles? Oh wait, they were and then they lost the tax revenue to support Abdul and his eight children, then also pay for the police to show up to arrest and then drop the charges when he acid attacks his six year old girl for so much as looking at another boy without his family paying the toll.

No zoning laws ruin it. Living in an area where the average price of a home is above 300k definitely helps

silly europoor wish they could afford cars and have freedom to travel like us

FUCK OFF Y'ALL WE'RE FULL

Pro tip

Interstates were built like that so white people could avoid living by niggers

and there's still sidewalks because federal funding is provided for sidewalks but in the deep south they pocket the money and never build any one because minorities would use them and two because of the fuck you got mine corruption

in the deep south they build 50 feet of sidewalks and pocket the rest of the funds fucking pieces of shits

i dunno man having things underground kinda ruins what makes driving good for me, if you move it underground might aswell get on the Boring Company TM wagon and jump on your electric trolley that drives in a tunnel on its own while you fap to chinese cartoons TM.

Not too full to take all your ex-pats here in Colorado back, you're not.

that would fucking suck, man

>trainfags

>Someone gets on a wreck on the highway, traffic slows while the wreck is moved
>Trainwreck happens
>Literally all traffic is halted for weeks

>Bus drivers strike
>some people are late to work, they have to carpool, etc
>train workers strike
>entire country shuts down

trainiggers, when will they learn?

You know your countries city planner or whoever is in charge of making roads is fucking retarded when no matter how many lanes they make there is still fucking traffic jams. I have american infrastructure.

Pic related is all you need and it solves every traffic problem in the entire universe. fuck cross roads and fuck traffic lights.

Austinites gone up for the dude weed? That's your own fault.

I do my work schedule super early so I can avoid the rush and every morning as I cruise through downtown at 50 MPH I see people rushing to go much faster than the flow, creeping up on cars in front of them and having to brake when the road curves. These are the people who are the reason traffic jams happen. If only cars had a mechanism that could control the engine to keep a proper distance with the car in front of them. And if cops were worth a shit they would heavily enforce tailgating and people would push the etiquette of it. People have weird etiquette rules. Whenever I start to cross a road on foot in the middle of a block, some spic immediately stops to let me cross, and when an opposing car beats me to a stop sign, they still wait for me to come to a stop and then wave me. This shit is counterproductive and fucks everything up.

Being stuck in traffic is not so bad as long as you got a nice car.

>roundaboutfags
>never admit that the ultimate endgame of roundabouts is this crap

These are only a thing in Britain.

>faggot who does not know how to drive anything but straight 500 million mile lanes
>afraid of a few turns

roundabouts are superior in every way imaginable. It keeps traffic flowing smoothly where as shitty cross roads and traffic lights causes abrupt stops all the time clogging up lanes needlessly.

Welcome to the future

Yeah, no more car ownership. That was part of the greedy dreams of past americans. Today we rely on driverless, electric taxi cabs which are operated by blockchain technology.

Need a lift? No problem! We'll deploy one of our cuckunits to your door immediately. Rates have gone up recently. That'll be 0.00004532 BTC. Thank you!

Actually where i love in the northwest we have em all over the place. Also one way streets everywhere.

What a fucking Luddite. Cars exists, deal with it. You can travel without shoes too, poorfag.

These are too complex to operate for amerifats.

>Actually where i love in the northwest we have em all over the place. Also one way streets everywhere.
Mini-roundabouts? A fucking paint circle in the middle of a regular street intersection?

I just wanna live in midwest or south U.S. , own a farm with horses, garden, house built by my own hands

thats my stupid fucking dream ;_;

Rotary zealots need to go.

These things are just fine in low density residential areas, but that never seems to be where they pop up.

Some of the residential streets in my city have them. They are referred to as "Traffic calming circles". They even have the gull to put a concrete island in the middle and making a left turn at them with anything larger than a compact car is a bitch. I feel the old "traffic calming octagons" worked a lot better on residential streets.

American Dream is a term made by Jews. Just like melting pot.

t. burger too fat to ride a bicycle

>burgers think suburban sprawl somehow promotes "small town values"
>when in reality it just promotes degeneracy of all kinds
you people are beyond saving

UGH moving from a rural area to Phoenix next year. Kill me now.

now i see why ameribraps are fat stupid retards

they spend most of their life in a car munching down the latest McObesity DeathWish Burger while their brain melts due to excessive radiation from the AM radio

Thanks to the melting pot they dont even fucking know any of the neighbors, this is why they have serial murderers hiding bodies in the basement and terrorists planning attacks in their open garages and nobody reports it.

Suburbs were a fucking mistake

Come to Sarajevo and see for your self.
Its a complete fuck up. You need a good road culture for it to function properly

Compared to 3rd world freeways?

Suburbs are great. Sorry some people abuse the fact that you can actually have your own property and be ignored by the people around you if you want.

The sprawl is the result of people falling for the car Jew. Like own a car. I get it. I own a car. But people are so fucking lazy. When it's bright and sunny out here people fucking drive to the park. Like what the fuck. Walk to the fucking park, bike to the fucking park, driving there defeats the entire purpose.
I used to have a roommate that had the fortune of working literally a mere 500 meters from our front door and would still fucking drive to work. Fucking pathetic. And because people do stupid lazy shit like that you need a parking space waiting on the other end for them. And if they work in a strip mall with 100 employees, well then you need 100 parking spaces and 100 feet of road for each of those idiots.

not just that, they spend all their lives isolated from their neighbours that they start doing drugs and engaging in sexual deviances out of boredom and anxiety.
Suburbs are literally a factory of degenerates.

>be ignored by the people around you
Some good ol' small town values right here.

And to add to this it's fucking sad when every little green space in the city has an equally fucking sized parking lot to accommodate all the lazy fucks who want to take a selfie in front of a bunch of trees and blame their genetics for how fucking fat and out of shape they are.

Come home white man.

Houston isn't too bad. Most neighborhoods are heavily segregated. There are a lot of businesses and there's a lot of things to do outside of the city.

Sophomoric luddite. You only think the freedom you get from feet or a bicycle is comparable to that you get from a car because your country is full of third-world retards. Not everywhere is Londonistan, you know! There are still modern places and peoples in this world!

More seriously, what this guy said. The current infrastructure is wasteful of real estate, but it's quite desirable that people should be driving around meeting their own desires. It's good that we have a society free enough, rich enough, and advanced enough to avoid being the globalist ant colony that our unworthy rulers dream of.

they paint a dashed circle in germany sometimes so they dont have to install stop signs germans hate having to stop

based leaf dropping truth bombs

>1 hour or more in constant traffic

when will burgers take the good public transportation pill?

These are too complex to operate for colombiancocksuckers.....

You NEED a car you stupid goy, you dont want to ride a bike or use public transportation like a poorfag? women will laugh at you

This is a retarded solution to a stupid problem you didnt need to implement in the first place if you were to seek efficiency.

We have roundabouts, but we dont need this fucking eyesore of (((Infrastructure)))

Come home sis white male.

>ride pic related to work
>mingle with other people, shitskins and degenerates must behave because they're surrounded by whites
>have breakfast, read a book or paper, or just watch vids on phone or even take a nap
>don't have to find a parking space
>walk a little each day to and from station so I don't become a hambeast
public transit is great. I guess not so much if you live in the third world like burgerland.

If we'd never had our money stolen to build the highways, the free market would have invented a better solution! Market service would've stank less, made less noise, and gave better customer service than what we got instead. Long-run it would've costed less, too.

2/10 the son isn't either black or a spic

It's sad really. When I was a kid my family would all hop on our bikes and go to the library, or to the park, or to the ice cream place, or if people were just running to the convenience store they would ride their fucking bike. The bike parking at these places would always be full up. Literally. If you drove to 7-11 people would stare you down for the lazy tub of lard you were. And now the parking lot is full and very few people even own a fucking bike these days.

a properly designed clover leaf is better than all of that and by proper i mean like the autobahn

>Houses in a city are cheap

Whats that like?

If you want to be a shut in you can have you ever heard of boo radley? Do you even know American culture? Living next to people actually lets you interact with them. I know the people on my block but my neighborhood is also white as fuck and full of police so maybe its different here but your argument is so weak against suburbs.

>come home, tiny dick

Property """developers""" and speculators must hang.

>Living next to people actually lets you interact with them.
>implying people in suburbs interact with each other
nice try, burb shill.

America is chalk full of Mexicans who are even bigger subhumans than the fuckimg Muslims in Europe. It's over.

This is one of the reasons why I enjoy the European city model better. I prefer things that are close enough to walk to.

Full of spics and niggers, yes

no shit retard when you were a kid the world was probably richer and people could afford to be leisure ever since 2008 you cant fucking waste time riding your bike just drive your fucking car, gas is the cheapest its been in years too.

The free market would have just resulted in countless self-sufficient communities, each with its own bakery, grocer, newsagent, etc.

Large companies would have real difficulty establishing themselves as well as the local butcher in the town centre.

>muh hellcat meme
ZL-1 Camaro with 10 speed transmission wrecks the hellfaggot on the quarter. And can then go wreck a BMW M4 on a track. Only a faggot would post a Hellcat as though it were something worth talking about.

>move to big city
>job is 6 miles from where I'm living
>takes 45 minutes to get there because of traffic

well, shit

I get the feeling this is one of those threads where OP is going around thinking, "Look at all these people agreeing with me," even though the thread leaves their point several kind of destroyed.

>If you want to be a shut in you can have you ever heard of boo radley
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Also:
>Citing that proto sjw garbage

tell more about your fantastic roads again....

They are not superior when idiots treat the yield sign like a stop sign and wait when there is nobody in the fucking roundbout

Ok you can live in your fantasy world and I'll live in the real world where people actually talk to others.
>kekistan flag
now I get it, you are Boo Radley, the shut in who stalks little girls and boys.

>interchange porn
welp, time to load up cities skylines

This triggers the roundabout user.

one thing i like about some spanish cities is that everything can be within walking distance. i dont like driving

Self sufficient blocks are the best idea

>pro sjw garbage
ok faggot atleast you know it so maybe your mind isnt full of fuck but the book wasn't that bad it says nigger a few times too.

...

I remember a big change, that I didn't notice until long after the fact, that the local bike shop used to have a wide selection of bikes that came with luggage racks and baskets, now they're all sports bikes, rather than useful bikes.

>Zoning
>Interstates built right through the middle of the urban core

>large comparnies
wrong they would just pay the butcher more many than he's worth to put their business there, you really don't even understand the free market.

>being this retarded.
If you are travelling less than 3km it's almost always quicker to bike places. Driving to a convenience store that is only a few blocks away is literally the most retarded and lazy thing you can do. There are zero excuses because hopping on a bike and pedaling there is cheaper, faster, and better for your health. Before everybody fell for the car jew cities were designed around most people having to walk or bike everywhere.

>driving to a store is retarded
>carry 10lbs of food back with you
ok I'll drive and be retarded and you can walk and I'll get back to my house and start cooking and probably finish eating by the time you get back to your house.