You do realize that if you support capitalism you're supporting the fact whites will need to impoverish their nations...

you do realize that if you support capitalism you're supporting the fact whites will need to impoverish their nations to compete with thirld world wages, right?

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The only countries actually supporting pure capitalism are 3rd world lawless countries with roaming bands of militia.

Everyone else is practicing regulated capitalism and fair trade.

K...now go back to the drawing board faggot

yeah, but how do you compete with cheaper wages in a competitive enviroment?

It's not purely competitive you stupid fuck. There's a whole slew of things that effect this from monetary policy to government spending. There is no economic debate set within a rigid idealistic frame. Your professors and your shitty opinions are not only incorrect, they are fucking boring.

so, african goods and chinese goods are as expensive to produce as american and european goods?

wow, that's new.

retard.

This is why Fascism is a superior ideology to both neo- liberalism and Social Democracy.

Protectionism.

that goes against the interests of the multinationals.

>muh trump
lmao

What African goods? Even the fucking rubber boats they use to cross the ocean to get to Italy come from Europe.

That's globalism, shill. Capitalism and Nationalism are not necessarily incompatible. One is an economic philosophy or organization while the other is geopolitical.

In the future, please don't be so dumb and juvenile if you intend for your posts to enter into my privately owned brain cells.

youtube.com/watch?v=SVmBRr_Psng

most of the world manufactoring is chinese, faggot.

and yet that's the direction we're going.

how do you plan on stopping globalism?

That has nothing to do with the question I answered.

Do you not know what comparative advantage is? Developed workers aren't competing with workers in Vietnam. They're finding other jobs to do. Go take an economics class, socialist.

Protectionism is economically illiterate policy.

>i'm a massive faggot and i use strawman fallacy cuz i have no arguments
>the post

>said the growth addict
Ignore the worldwide debt all you want you dunce.

30% of american workers are truck drivers.

>muh GDP superiority
lmao

China will overtake the west.

Wtf I am now a #nazi

You're an economically illiterate policy

>china
Can't even feed its population
Can't even employ college grads to do anything but government work like toll booth operator

You're retarded man it will never happen.

>complains about debt
>wants everybody to be poorer by pushing for tariffs
If you're that scared of "competing" with people who have virtually no education or skills and you live in a developed nation, you should be fucking ashamed of your life choices.

Automation.

Now stfu

China owns most of manufacturing worldwide.

most of the worldwide industries rellies on chinese exports.

they already overtook america in PPP GDP.

what do you do with unemployed people?

>muh universal income

>doesn't understand the difference between capitalism and globalism
>OP sucking cocks as usual
yep checks out.

>China will overtake the west.

Yup, and economic liberalization helped them on that journey.

It makes sense when you introduce a population of individuals 5x the size of your nation who are willing to work in dangerous conditions for pennies a day
people who cling to economics like a science seem to be too autistic that to understand that it only functions well in closed systems with certain parameters, having a massive slave race of chinks and indians throws the whole thing off balance

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>tariffs make people poorer
son do you even economy?

capitalism need to use cheaper wages.
globalism helps that.
how is not capitalism basically outsourcing?

You're also economically illiterate if you think of the entire system as a zero-sum game. Cry harder about the poorest people in the world becoming wealthier and citizens in developed nations getting cheaper goods.

LOOOOOOOL they overtook the US in PPP according to the "kill the reserve currency for the betterment of making IMF" retards. Still can't feed over half the people. Just stop globalist shill

You're not this retarded, are you? If you impose tariffs on imports, prices rise and purchasing power decreases. Exports then decrease, so workers who were making more before will then make less. Do you seriously think in your fantasy land that tariffs are a good thing or supported by literally anybody who knows basic economics?

>Capitalism needs to use cheaper wages
no it doesn't. is this the crap they spew at schools these days? why did Henry Ford pay his workers well?

There is a set (only minimally flexible) net need of goods that will be provided to fulfill the various (daily, work-oriented and luxury needs, among others). When the choice is made to remove a source of income (outsource industry) you make the false claim "people will go on to do other things; they are not competing with the workers from other countries". Except, evident enough in the TYPEs of employment (seasonal, parttime and mainly retail otherwise service oriented) they are indeed not competing with said workers, they have been utterly stripped of the right (due to the nature of comparative advantage being beneficial to those who initiate, not those left behind). So the Iphone is a hundred dollars cheaper, the buying power of the average American drops in the process, fair game right? Sure is, until you look into CPI, inflation and the growth of worker's wages over the last few decades. You spout theory but ignore actuality, plainly. NAFTA, as a great example, is large in part responsible for the large influx of migrant workers who, due to their capacity to work for a pittance, have driven American workers off of farmland, they don't go "do something else", they go sit on benefits and exacerbate the issue. Competition presumes the concept of an even playing field, you don't cut corners on steel production and proclaim it to be "industry grade", that, is your argumentation amounts to nonsense.

>tarifs on imports causes pp decrease and exports to fall
nigger what? I guess you don't know about the world before NAFTA and GAT

forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2016/04/29/global-economic-news-china-will-surpass-the-u-s-in-2018/#325f16ca224a

>wtf I'm a white cuck now

yeah, yeah, keep clapping to your american tv made in china, browsing your internet that uses chinese parts and using iphones manufactured in china and mexico.

wow, you open my eyes.

that's how capitalism work IRL

>but muh american wages until 1970
and they have been stagnated since 30 years ago, faggot.

>but henry ford
>muh WWII economy

*betterment of mankind
don't know what happened there with autocorrect

I ran it through archive archive.is/4hVNL

thanks, my mongol slav friend.

Nobody cares about education or skill. Western companies are trying to get around paying all those college students we encouraged by using visas and outsourcing. Only a minority of any population needs extensive skills to perform their tasks at the minimum level. When everyone here is trying to flood service jobs, you can't export those. You get a trade deficit and wealth flowing out of the country. Those jobs have the least value during economic downturns.

Of course I'll be upset about that, their wealth has demonstrably been at our expense for the past few decades. There's finite resources and we're watching incredibly overpopulated countries take them from our responsible ones. It is not sustainable for India and China and eventually Africa to bring western-quality of life to their 5 billion large and growing populations.

They stagnated because of increasing globalism. Capitalism works best when demand for labor is up.

You stupid fuck. You literally proved my point for me. Since the "free trade" madness the US has been fucked over. And over. You don't know capitalism, you know bullshit globalism because that's what they force feed you. Look at the US before the outsourcing started. Why did outsourcing even become a thing?

>Norway
>mongol slav
now I know you're just dumber than a rock.

there's 2 billion people working for 10USD daily.

there's 2 billion working for 1-2 USD daily.

there's 1 billion waiting to work for 1-2 USD,

there's 500 millions working for 150 UDS a day.

there's not real reason why the 6 billion should be paid less than those 500 millions.

What will happen if we study econ 101 and supply and demand?

>but muh protectionism
>muh tarifs

go back to watching clinton news network, fag.

>you make the false claim "people will go on to do other things; they are not competing with the workers from other countries".

How is that false? If workers weren't finding other labor in response to competition with other countries, you'd have massive amounts of unemployment. Yet, the US is nearing full employment.

>So the Iphone is a hundred dollars cheaper, the buying power of the average American drops in the process

Wrong. If goods are cheaper, the purchasing power of the average American obviously increases.

> have driven American workers off of farmland

Plenty of farmers literally cannot find Americans willing to work for the wages they'll provide. They refuse to. And that's fine. I don't know why you want to cling onto farmland like we're not living in the 21st century with plenty of other industries looking for work with higher pay.

NAFTA increased trade between the three countries because tariffs decreased you fucking mongoloid.

A communist country will never dominate the world. I would stake my life on it.

You know people said the same thing about Japan in the 80s and 90s.

>china
>comunists
lol

americans are more communists than chinese, lol.

>what will happen if we study econ 101
which you clearly didn't. and still don't understand shit about so called "free trade."
>there's not real reason why the 6 billion should be paid less than those 500 millions
I can think of plenty.
You're fucking completely ignorant of the world before NAFTA, when the entire planet clamored for US made products. Completely ignorant of the bullshit they pushed for the GAT and NAFTA agreements.

higher capital and technology gringo

Completely at the expense of the American worker you globalist dolt. If there was no US to rob, Mexico wouldn't be shit. Canada wouldn't be making US car parts. Etc. Learn something from Ross Perot

>Western companies are trying to get around paying all those college students we encouraged by using visas and outsourcing.

The current rate of unemployment for US college graduates is (I believe) below 3 percent. You're fearing a made up enemy.

>Of course I'll be upset about that, their wealth has demonstrably been at our expense for the past few decades.

The hell it has. Here's a graph of real compensation over several decades. Unemployment is also at a nearly 20-year low. You're basically living in another reality where the global economy is zero-sum instead of all countries benefiting with free trade.

fred.stlouisfed.org/series/COMPRNFB

That's categorically false

Are you pretending to be retarded?

yeah, let's ignore that outsourcing is real, keeps happening and will keep happening.

yeah, except all manufacturing that is cheap has gonne to the thirld world already.

software develoment is basically now moving to india and microsoft is all over the world now getting programmers from latinoamerica.

a colombian programmer cost microsoft 40k per year.

there's not reason why a high IQ castizo is dumber than a european.

therefore there's not reason why microsoft should hire more colombian castizos than americans.

Everything you said here is bullshit. You don't understand economics at all. Keep eating what the globalist are shoving down your throat. It come directly from their ass.

their economy is capitalistic as fuck, state owned, but they love their capitalism.

do you think there's only one breed of capitalism?

Dumbass, I literally asked you what started outsourcing and what makes it possible. You don't know. I'm done talking to you.

>Completely at the expense of the American worker you globalist dolt

The American worker is richer and more educated than any other time in history. What the fuck are you talking about?

>Learn something from Ross Perot

Right, the "giant sucking sound" moron. Remember when that didn't happen?

>Yet, the US is nearing full employment.
Those who are unemployed for long periods of time do not show up on the unemployment register, as well as active students, disabled folks or otherwise, let alone the vast numbers of youth and elders who take early retirements, we are far from full employment.

>Wrong. If goods are cheaper, the purchasing power of the average American obviously increases.
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You told another to attend an economics class, you're dismissing vast factors of the economy to fit your narrative. I made that claim on purpose, SOME goods are cheap, while necessities, such as food, increase in price or more deviously, are reduced in portion. I go to the grocery markets, don't attempt to lecture me that "good are cheaper", they patently are not, you're wrong on this point and research would reveal your arrogance to be idiocy. Refer to my previous post where I mentioned you focus entirely on the theoretical results while ignoring actuality.

>Plenty of farmers literally cannot find Americans willing to work for the wages they'll provide. They refuse to.
Wrong, farmers drop wages/increased hours. in the post-NAFTA environment, as to where it would be impossible to sustain a reasonable living. The migrant workers who do these jobs writhe in poverty and their wealth is quickly shipped out of the country. You're adovcating Americans just surrender an industry to the tide of outside forces, lunacy at minimum, it's our land and our industry and food remains a staple of any economy (including America's rise). No, I'm not going to let the farmer off just because Walmart opened up down the street.

>plenty of other industries looking for work with higher pay.
Which require college degrees, experience and training, all of which costs money, which requires work in other industries with lower barriers to entry to build up the wealth to afford such a risk trying to land a spot in skilled/competitive industries.

capitalists seek to reduce cost of production, how is outsourcing not capitalism?

>but muh henry ford and muh 3% annual wage growth until 1970
yeah, and capitalists realized that is much cheaper to build a factory to make shoes in tailand than in america.

are u dumb?

>Everything you said here is bullshit.

Except it isn't, but thanks for failing to show how I'm wrong. Really shows how little you know about this topic.

Having a masters degree and waiting tables isn't full employment.
Less people in the workforce than at anytime since the depression.
>posts charts literally based on the FED's cooked numbers
Obama was the greatest for jobs amiright?

Is that the ancient aliens show guy?

The west still has higher capital and technology. Automation means cheap Chinese labor will be replaced by Mr. Roboto (domo arigato). With higher capital in the west, moving the factories back closer to the market will generate far higher savings than employing 3 chinks for half price. The IT sector will be fine, everyone at home gets hired and the poos just generate more return for the domestic capital. Now you're going to ask about "muh unemployment", aren't you?

>Those who are unemployed for long periods of time do not show up on the unemployment register, as well as active students, disabled folks or otherwise, let alone the vast numbers of youth and elders who take early retirements, we are far from full employment.

You're thinking of the Labor Force Participation Rate, which includes high school kids and retirees. I have a neighbor in her 90s, but perhaps I should tell her to get a job because, according to you, she should count as "unemployed."

Full employment is judged by the U3 rate, and that's at 4.4 percent, which is near full employment. Even if you want to look at U6, that's also down.

>SOME goods are cheap, while necessities, such as food, increase in price or more deviously, are reduced in portion.

You're obsessing over the fucking CPI? Lmao. Besides the many inaccuracies of the CPI, you're looking at *nominal* prices instead of *real* prices, which is disingenuous as fuck. It is a fact that if tariffs are decreased or eliminated, prices will decrease. I don't even know what point you're trying to argue because it sounds so nonsensical.

>Wrong, farmers drop wages/increased hours
>as to where it would be impossible to sustain a reasonable living.

Says I'm wrong but then states exactly why I'm correct. Jesus Christ. Anyway, you are completely wrong. Even as wages have increased, farmers are still struggling to find native work. Your narrative doesn't fit reality and you should probably stop talking out of your ass.

>Which require college degrees, experience and training

As it should. I don't know about you, but I want the economy to become more modernized and specialized because that means more wealth. You seem to have this obsession with staying in the 20th or even 19th centuries. Do you think coal jobs are coming back too?
latimes.com/projects/la-fi-farms-immigration/

You're fucking retarded.
We WANT to drive down NOMINAL wages while simultaneously increasing REAL wages. This is the very nature of economic progress.
But we have a minimum nominal wage so we can't possibly compete with poorer countries in certain regards.

I think state owned is the antithesis of capitalism

>most of the world manufactoring is chinese, faggot.

~20%
That's not "most"

yup, is david wilcock.

we wuz ayy lmao shit.

google him.

like I said, all the cheap manufacturing that is easy has moved to the thirld world.
It not longer exist in the first world.

europe don't produce cheap goods like nike shoes or plastic crap.

the west only has a technological edge.

But you seem to forget something:
>china is improving, fast
>BRICS are also improving in their STEM sector
>just because the west have an edge today, it will mean they will keep it
>western education is better however
>most STEM students now in america and europe now are chinese or indians or latinos
>at some point such students will want to return to their homelands to build companies here
>western wages are still too high

>Having a masters degree and waiting tables isn't full employment.

Perhaps you shouldn't get a master's in a field with low demand. God damn. It's like personal responsibility has fucking vanished.

>Less people in the workforce than at anytime since the depression

A lot of that being Boomers retiring. The Labor Force Participation Rate isn't even used to judge full employment; that's the U3 rate, and it is a fact that we're basically there. You looking at the LFPR means you're getting upset some 100 year old grandmother isn't working.

>literally based on the FED's cooked numbers

First, the Fed doesn't produce these numbers. The BLS does. Secondly, if you're so much of a moron you just assume the numbers are fake (and produced by a totally different agency) because they go against your narrative, kindly fuck off.

But I'm a social nationalist not a cuckservative supporting kike capitalism

>let's ignore the US global share is 17%
wtf, I'm a neocon now.

I don't consider china capitalism to be marxist crap.

>muh rapid development overtaking everything
You seem to think the developing world is made up of robots, as they develop, the workers will demand higher wages and they will have the same problems as the west, except they will still have lower technology, a much larger pool of displaced workers and less time spent on working on these problems. If you think Cleatus losing his job is bad, tventy times as many Ching Pongs and Pajeets being replaced by robots will result in literal cannibalism to the tune of tens of millions.

>oh wow, let's use automatization in spain
>I'm sure that >40% of unemployment doesn't matter
faggot.

>use robots
>robots don't collect taxes
>govermetn collapses

>China capitalism

You mean communism

Spains manufactoring sector covers only 20 of the work force, lay of half and you only get 10% unemployment.

Robots don't pay taxes, companies that own them do.

Explain to me how China will survive automation when 2/3 of the population is in manufacturing and farming. Lay of half and you have 30% unemployment with no social security and lower GDP per capita to support them. Explain to me how there will not be cannibalism in China when the robots come?