Anti-capitalist memes

Anti-capitalist memes

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>Mises and Bohm-Bawerk both disapproved LTV literally a century go
>Muh koch brudders
Fuck off

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Do any commies still unironically believe labor theory of value?

You're putting too much faith in commies to read enough of marx and engels to even learn what LTV is.

This is embarrassing.

LTV is not a commie invention: it was economic orthodoxy during the time Marx and Engels were writing. Adam Smith also based his work upon the LTV.

Labor theory of value disproven in one panel.

Burn in hell, faggot.

Labor Theory of Value basically just means that Bernie will end racism and pay for my liberal arts degree. Capitalism is bad because it makes me work at Starbucks even though I am an educated intellectual unlike you drumpf voters.

what a sad life you lead

Get out faggot

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No I know it isn't a commie invention, I've read of Wealth of Nations. The fact is though, most exposure to it came from Marx and Engels writings, who were in turns inspired by Smith (Albit LTV became much less relevant after the idea of utility came about, thanks to Menger).

You don't know what the labor theory of value is if you think the "mud pies" fallacy disproves it.

It's been empirically and theoretically debunked by everybody. You can spend twenty years building a shit tower, it still won't be worth as much as a bushel of apples. Value is Subjective.

At first an/cap would be fun as everyone struggles to become rich and the society starts to form, but then... disaster. A small few begin to take over, gaining money faster and faster, buying up all the land, buying everything, until it is so powerful it becomes ruling dictator, the worst kind of government possible.
>b-b-b-but the free mar-
NO, the free market wont do shit to stop this from happening. There is nothing to stop a smart business man from unlimited growth and power, or even a few men, coming together to make it even easier to rule over everything.
>b-b-b-but the NAP
SHUT UP you moron, the NAP can't stop this from happening either. You're a babbling imbecile! Within a year it only takes a few guys at the top to team up and together they will control everything like a monarchy, and when they die their children will get their money, making it no different than any other society in history with a royal empire. A matter of fact, it will be far worse than this, because this isn't your average royal family, this is a greedy capitalistic family, hell bent on nothing but money. Possibly worse than communism, as everyone will end up as slaves, unable to do nothing, not even breath, without being taxed for it.

ancap should be renamed billionaire globalist supercuck shill

>falseequivalency.jpg

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>Fascist complaining about an overpowered group of individuals leading the world
:thinking:

Lolberts are vehemently anti-racist for the most part. Who else do you think is pushing the democrats are the real racists narrative? Also Sup Forums tends to lean more towards market socialism not capitalism so Im not even sure what youre trying to say here.

Lol "empirically debunked"

Let's see a source that doesn't match the description in the meme.

>inb4 "this theory of pricing debunks your theory of value cuz i never read Marx"

Depends what libertarians you're dealing with. Big L one's are basically lite-republicans with some democratic ideals thrown in there for good measure. Any Libertarian worth their salt will have read the more right wing thinkers in the movement and come to more logical conclusions in line with Sup Forums.

>thinks utility theory disproves labor theory of value
>didn't read Marx
>can't explain the utility of an ice cream cone

Wow I didn't bother to read the autistic miss-mashing of Hegel and Smith, and decided to read the source material instead? What an brainlet I am compared to you, thank you for showing me the way! Now I'm #withher!

It is the central theory. There are literally none who do disbelieve it, nor is there anybody else who disbelieves it outside of idiots who think "mainstream" (read: neoclassical) economists are somehow scientists.

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Capitalism has a couple kinks that need to be worked out, but its never actually failed unlike communism. Also the word capitalism is a meme, any society that has progressed passed the stone age has some form of free trade.

You'd think whoever made that would do some research, most prominent Libertarians nowadays are 50+ year old Jews. Stormcucks think Jews started the ideology because they're too dumb to understand anything written in non-simplified 20th century English.

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>thinks Marxists=Clinton-supporters

You really need to get outside dude.

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Fascism works, an/cap does not work. Fascism has laws and rules.

Reminder there is only one anarchism

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>believes in some spooky, mystical connection between the labor that goes into a product and the subjective feelings of the consumer

>accusing others of pseudoscience

reminder everyone in this thread is 21 or under

>The only fascist country that existed couldn't invade Greece and collapsed in on itself
>There at least exist workable examples of ancapism (Wild west, medieval iceland and Ireland)
??????

An/caps will be the first to die on the day of the rope. You fucks will be killed even before the jews. You are worse than jews.

>never actually failed
In what area? Capitalism seems to produce all of the same results so-called Communism has, it just defines its self out of being responsible for the failures. I.E. "If you starve under Communism, it's Communism's fault. If you starve under capitalism... WELL SHOULDA WORKED HARDER LAWL"

Nice projection nigger

these are objectively terrible

2/10 see me after class

I wish all commies would leave and form their own country somewhere

so I could sit back and laugh as it collapses just as everything else that marxism has touched ever has

Except then all the public services you've been too blissfully self-interested to notice you rely on every single day disappear, at which point your doubled income is still insufficient.

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There are really good. gj OP thx bro

>Capitalism seems to produce all the so-called results of communism
Man remember that time Disney executives killed a couple million people because they they didn't like frozen?

Oh yes, the magic services that only the wizards that work for the government can perform.

Diamond mining is rather labor-intensive, friendo.
The amount of labor put into bringing a product to market strongly correlates with the final selling price.

Wow it's almost like, and hold on for this crazy one, people can still pay for utilities and not be held up at gunpoint to pay for one's that don't benefit them directly?

oi u cheeky wanker

ill hook you in the gob i swear on me mum

Yes, but so is aluminum mining, farming, trucking, and distribution, yet the cost of any canned foods is extremely cheap.

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>thinks Communism-in-one-country is a thing Marx or anybody who ever read him has ever advocated for
>is autistic

If the labor theory of value isn't true, if you spend a billion dollars on a submarine made of screen doors is it worth a billion dollars? What military would buy it for that much?
Related question. How can good deals be a thing with labor value?

>The amount of labor put into bringing a product to market strongly correlates with the final selling price.

I work at a job which requires me to essentially press one of two buttons for eight hours straight.

I get paid about 3 dollars more than the plebs doing hard physical labor for those same eight hours lugging and pushing materials around the factory.

So clearly that's bullshit.

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>Wild west
You mean America 150 years ago? Not even close to an-cap

Fascism is a half baked Italian spic ideology so of course it doesnt work, but pretty much all of history and its empires would be vaguely labelled as nationalist/ fascist.
Ancapism can "work" but if you think primitive Europe is a good example then I guess we just have different standards.

Are we really having a c vs c discussion in 2017?

I thought we established that neither of those concepts were relevant

>Strong authoritarian government owns the means of production
>but also anarchy
I will never understand this.

Are you actually this thick?

Does starvation happen in capitalist societies or not? Does poverty exist in capitalist societies or not? Does death due to treatable illnesses exist in capitalist societies or not? Does unpaid prison labor exist in capitalist societies or not?

All those things up there get constantly invoked to criticize so-called Communism, yet you capitalists always wanna define your position into be non-responsible for when it happens in your system. Fuck outta here with your random
Frozen rant.

Do you value a computer based on how much labor went into it?

No. You have no idea how much labor went into it.

Whether 5000 man hours of 5 is irrelevant.

You value it for how much good you find in it.

The vast majority of economic is not funded by the koch brothers, fyi. They're not even the largest donors to the GOP.

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There are a scant few examples of ancapistan to point to, precisely because the state does not allow to exist. You'll notice however, the examples I picked were generally peaceful, happy societies not steeped in conflict or much destruction. If you're example of a good "fascist" society are warmongering states which cause genocide and economic ruin, cumulating in collapse, then I dunno who the real crazy person is here.

The labor theory of value only applies to the average, socially necessary amount of labor needed to create useful products. A mud pie or a screen door submarine are not useful products. Also, working really slowly does not make your product more valuable.

>thinks he'll be able to afford each little square foot of road only he needs forever
>is autistic

>How can good deals be a thing with labor value?
This triggers the Marxist.

You seem to be drawing on a false-equivalence. There exist not one example of intentional mass-starvation in a capitalist society, due to the machination of a madman who wants to crush dissent to the "workers paradise". I accept the fact that scarcity exist, and that it is tragic that people have to die in a world where such exist.

>The cost goes down when companies seek out laborers to exploit with cheaper wages

Ya don't say?

>Communists
>not retarded
Pick one also anyone with a basic knowledge of economics can disprove LTV because its pants on head retarded

How to be an anarchist:

Step 1: Create a state

Step 2: Say it isnt a state

>Social cooperation doesn't exist in ancapistan
Please shut the fuck up. Public utilities that service a certain area, could more then easily be payed for in that area.

>The amount of labor put into bringing a product to market strongly correlates with the final selling price.
False. The amount of labor necessary simply puts a floor on the price that would be required to see a return on investment. That doesn't mean market will pay that price.

And value=/=price anyway. Different concepts.

>submarine

You're confusing pricing with value. Per usual of your ilk.

>How can good deals be a good thing

In the end, there can't ever be "good deals" in your sense. Which is why Marx ultimately saw only one solution: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

But LTV postulates that it is the intensity of labor, not the wages of the laborers themselves that correlates to the cost of goods. Even if you pay miners sub-par/standard wages, the equipment and trouble to gather it, should still require it to be expensive (At least in an LTV mindset). Why are you even still arguing, dont you have a leftypol hugbox to go to, to talk about how you did your successful "psyops" operation?

Pretty good except I worry whether this was even written ironically knowing how sick ancaps tend to be.

Pricing is essential in the determination of value. I'd recommend "Socialism" by Von Mises if you want an in-depth explanation.

>socially necessary
Subjective unscientific terminology

>useful products
Subjective unscientific terminology

Can you even solve a differential equation? If the answer is no (which it is), you have no business discussing economics or science or anything of importance at all.

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Not exactly. Neo-Marxian economics isn't precisely the same as Marx's. Both have evolved as conditions have changed. But the ongoing phenomena of stagnant wages+record profits and bonuses has once again proven the strength of the LTV.

this all goes into my "leftists cant meme" folder

>You're confusing pricing with value.

So I suppose value is just some spooky thing which can't be measured?

No Marxians believe it can be measured, they just don't want to bother to empirically measure it and usually cop out with the "muh cum-pooters" excuse, even though Mises so anally ravaged them in the 20's, that the only effective counter-argument ever mounted was "fine we'll just keep the market and use that to determine value while we do socialism".

>ayyy lmao lets create a huge totalitarian dictatorship to collectivize property then it will magically dissolve and there will be no government or money but everyone will own everything but ownership isn't allowed

WELL she DID trespass.

>Ancaps are worse than Jews
>Ancaps are worse than
>worse than Jews
Holy hell you smell of Reddit LARPing. Anyone that unironically thinks any group, let alone Ancaps, are worse than Jews aren't welcome here and need to leave.

You're talking about personal value rather than economic value, the second most common mistake for people trying to understand the LTV.

To a person drowning, a single breathe of air is more valuable than anything else on the planet. But its economic value is still zero.

My personal liking of a commodity has no bearing on its economic value. Personal value is subjecive; economic value isn't, and can only be added via labor.

>anarcho-capitalism is racist
>anarcho-capitalism wears fedora

Define "economic value" in a way that isn't just some kind of average of "personal values"

Yeah, it was an authoritarian hell hole.
Moron.
No wonder you're fascist. You need someone to tell you how to think.

Some of the worst Jews are Ancaps. Brian Caplan is near the top of my list.

>The labor theory of value (LTV) is a theory of value that argues that the economic value of a good or service is determined by the total amount of socially necessary labor required to produce it,

You have no business discussing economics or science or anything of importance at all if you're too up your own ass to even skim the first sentence on Wikipedia.

>getting together to socially determine what should be communally paid for and then distributing those funds

So, a government?

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I got a question for commies in general. Why should I want to have my stuff forcefully redistributed to you? The more of my money I keep, the more I can do for my own family. The reason I should put you in front of my family is... what?

Also, I want to so-called ancoms to explain how they plan on redistributing wealth and forcing people to work in communes for rations without a government.