Catholic trans-humanism

>be catholic
>have church community forum
>charismatic speaker talks about intellectual renewal
>everyone claps
>ask about him
>hes been on radio shows
>former uni professor
>hosts meeting every week
>whynot.jpg
>He believes Jesus is the logos
>logos=knowledge
>all technological advancement=Jesus
>Scientists who discover more about natural law are saved
>youwhatmate.png
>sensing subtle bogpill
>don't know whether to shut it down or not
>all the influential people at church are eating it up

Wtf do I do here, its semi based semi heresy this ideology will eventually lead to transhumanism

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Identity is mind, body and soul. This should be interpreted as nature, nurture and life. To raise Jesus, you will need his body or someone with close enough genetics and then you would need the esotericism that made Jesus into Christ.

And then, you have the risen resurrected Jesus.

Full blown heresy.

But nationalistic nativist moralist transhumanism is the only way forward. Keep the brain flesh tho. You need to improve IQ by researching how to meddle with intelligence itself, not by becoming a steel faggot. The bastion of human identity resides on the nature of the brain. Keep it flesh and blood.

That's rank heresy. Pray that he see the error of his ways. If you have the chance, confront him and express to him that his teachings are contrary to the teachings of Christ.

Looks like they're ready to follow a false prophet.

>Catholics
Heretics

>Jesus is the logos
> from Greek: logos a word, saying, speech, discourse, thought
>if you can't have knowledge without words, sayings, speech, discourse, and thought, then you can't have knowledge without Jesus
>likewise with all technological advancement
This is not a radical doctrine. This is what christians have believed for thousands of years, that you will literally shut down and have no life without Jesus/logos, because Jesus/logos is the core of what makes civilized life possible.

I was sorta on board but he went off the rails if you stop at Jesus is knowledge its cool

This guys went into

>Do you really think Einstein is in hell right now

Perhaps some of this can be salvaged

>hue primate bonobo wants to be a robot like in his animes
Fuck off. Transhumanism is the most Jewish anti-aryan bullshit around.

UMA DELICIA

>being religious

Don't do that.
You can follow the culture surrounding your cult, or observe its traditions, or even get spiritual fulfillment from it in whatever way, just don't use religion as a way to explain how and why the world works.

You are already seeing trans-humanism. It is the most anti-catholic, anti human ideology of all time.
Transgenders, Tattoos, intentional amputation, Attempts of substituting our world with VR, and substituting sex with devices.
Then you have the democracy. Now we have trans-family, with the state being the new provider replacing the role of the father. The collective father, the democracy.

Being Catholic is not about being anti-technology or knowledge. Its about salivation through Jesus. What you speak of has no human dignity, and will only fill you with pain and isolate you from God and nature.

Transhumanism is a Jewish plot

>Oy vey goy! Chop off your leg for this new better one! It'll require you to drop shekels for regular maintenance, as well as pills from out pharmaceutical companies to stop it from killing you! It'll also spy on you everywhere you go!
>Good goy! Get this new robotic arm! We promise it won't kill you in your sleep!
>Get this genetic modification for your children goy! Whoops! We accidentally put in a genetic defect that'll ensure your entire genetic line from now on will be completely reliant on our drugs! Our bad!

Fuck transhumanists.

>Being Catholic is not about being anti-technology or knowledge. Its about salivation through Jesus.
this

Time to get out of the Vatican II Counter Church, reject its antipopes and embrace traditional Catholic faith

The moment you put on clothes you became a cyborg, stupid neanderthal.
Are you also against hearing aid, pacemakers or artificial joints and prosthetic for missing limbs?

This must be stopped!

I'm participating in a transhumanist community, and I'm seeing a lot of transgender and lbgt antifa faggots latching onto it. How do I dispel this?

You know full well that's not what transhumanists are telling us to do. They want us to chop off perfectly good body parts, and replace them with machinery. They want to fuck around with our DNA. They want us to implant computers into our fucking heads.

Jesus was the first clone, born of a surrogate. This also explains his resurrection. He wasn't the only copy.

This is the logical continuation of wearing clothes or driving a car.
You create and equip items that increase the ability of your body to handle harder work.

Nobody is telling you to chop your arm now, it will be done when the replacement is cheap, reliable and objectively superior.

And they'd be completely controlled by Jewish Corporations. Why would I chop off my arm when it's replacement will force me to take pills for the rest of my life, or else my immune system will kill me? You're just telling me to give the Jew even more control over me. And what happens if I commit a thought crime? Suddenly my arm strangles me on it's own. Fuck that shit.

Clothes and cars are outside my body. Let machines outside of my body continue to handle the harder work.

Our societies are like this because of the Christian brainwashing cults. Centuries of favouring servile, superstitious sheep has made humanity stupid and weak.

transhumanism can only get off the ground when your society is nihilisticly degenerate. all the people involved in it I've met have been fucking cancer.

I was indifferent to it before, "well if they want to do it that is their decision", but after Sup Forums I'm vehemently against it.

Frankly I think of the fermi paradox when I think of transhumanism. The reason their are no aliens conquering the universe is that they all become nihilistic degenerate machine plugins.

I for one intend for humans to conquer this universe, not some nihilistic simulation.

>"They want to fuck around with our DNA!"
>nazi flag, but is against eugenics
?

How about you read a couple of encyclicals? That has been official catholic doctrine for quite some time already.

Eugenics is just selective breeding. We've been doing that for tens of thousands of years. Why would I want some Jew doctor going in and purposefully mucking about in my DNA?

I suppose one thing is bettering yourself with your own hands and acepting your limits as wel and another is replace what God granted you with His wisdom wth old man-made machinery. As always, part of being created is to hate the Creator and slowly learn to "forgive" Him fr the opportunities He gave us, no matter our situation.

>his religious argument is defeated
>jumps to nazi arguments instead
I'll mark that as a win for mankind and a loss for cultists.

>mazi eugenics is just selective breeding
Party magazines advocated for euthanasia for your grandfather when he is too old, and chemical castration for the mentally ill and so on. It was not just selection.
Had genetics and gene splicing been available, they would've supported it.

>134274493
>logos=knowledge

Wrongie-Pie.
Logos = "The Word" as in "The Word became flesh"

You are misusing the term in an incorrect context.
Typical of Charismatics.

>replace what God granted you with His wisdom wth old man-made machinery

t. has teeth fillings

>logos=knowledge

This is where the fuck up occurred. Defining Logos wrong.

I hate Dune fanart because no one ever reads the books. Leto II is ten years old in the book.

What the fuck was even happening in God Emperor of Dune?

>I can't argue against that, so it's a win for me!

And there's nothing wrong with Euthanasia. It's better than what we're doing today, leaving people completely incapable of living on their own hooked up to machines until their body completely falls apart.

And castration is a part of removing those who are bad from the gene pool from it. Again, it's part of selective breeding, which we've been doing for tens of thousands of years.

>I can't argue against that, so I'll stop being a christian and become a nazi for the duration of the argument, it's a win for Christ!

I was never arguing as a Christian, other people were. And you're still refusing to refute me, and calling it a win for yourself.

You aren't making a point that needs refuting.
You are shouting DA JOOS at a problem, and calling it solved.

Do you have teeth fillings?

Lads, this isn't helping. Just argue in good faith and attempt to work the issue out.

Aren't office hours over? Why are you still working? You actually get paid for this? Because you suck at it.

No issue, mankind has always used items to augment and improve their life.
He won't answer that yes, he does indeed have teeth fillings, he has indeed removed parts of his "God given body" to replace them with man made items, for his convenience.
This isn't good faith on him, and I won't respond.

What about the Unabomber argument

>The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy.

I will repeat the final line

>There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy.

I am willing to bring down civilization if it means putting a stop to transhumanism turning us into slaves to a system. I broke out of the nihilistic system once before when I was redpilled and found Sup Forums, and I don't intend on creating a world in which reversibility is gone and we are stuck being frankenmonsters with no way out. There are already too many people who rely on the system: diabetics with insulin, HIV+ people who need their drugs. I DON'T EVERYONE TO BE.

I will destroy civilization to prevent transhumanism from occurring.

>Literally says to keep it flesh and blood instead of robotization
>fugg off synth scum! >:C
Dumb burgers can't read

You surrender your freedom to murder others, in exchange for the state guaranteeing you won't be murdered yourself. You are now a slave of the system.

This. Transhumanism will only serve the elites and give them more power. This advancements MUST be restrained before we get 400 years old Soros.

I'm an ancap

You are a canadian larper, who has signed the social contract with the canadian government. You are a slave, and better for it.

I'm willing to destroy governments to bring about ancapistan and liberty. I will be willing to destroy science to ensure the same thing. I don't want to be a unabomber follower, but faggots like you make me begin wondering if he was right.

Call your local police office and let them know, I am sure they will be thrilled.

>willing to fight and destroy!!!
>sits at home posting on Sup Forums
You signed the social contract with the canadian government, and are a willing slave to the canadian government, and better for it.
You aren't fighting, you are enjoying the benefit of social slavery. If you want to fight, go kill cops and die. You will be remembered as a martyr for 2 days on /r9k/.

I almost never agree with you ancaps, but I'm strangely ok with the fact that we both agree this guy is a fag.

Its not about being servile or weak. Its about objective truth.

You can continue to be a "rational atheist". But at the end of the day, existence is subjective to you. Christianity superseded the superstition of paganism and made the world a structure that could be understood stood through science and observation, all leading to the source, God.
The weak are those who live life without the objective truth. They reject traditional values for utilitarian hedonism. Its the nonsense that starts claiming for ideals like "greater good", "makes the most people happy". This of course leads to the idea of importing people to pay for socialist policies because on paper, it makes the most people happy, it stimulates the most pleasure centers.

But to your point of being servile and weak, I agree. I used to be servile and weak. When I was an atheist, I made the mistake of serving the US government in combat arms. I substituted objective truth for state service. The reality is, democracies are never worth fighting for. Fighting for the faceless interests was unfulfilling and I fully regret my service and deployment to Iraq. I rather fight for truth, for a face. I don't regret being a soldier, but I regret what I served.

I do not consider myself a supporter of democracy or an American. I am a Christian first. I am the Catholic Terror of the early 20th century news papers. I reject the utilitarian state of affairs. I reject the replacement of fathers, families and values by the state.
So you will hear this from me. A US combat veteran. Fuck the constitution, Fuck democracy, Fuck world government, fuck the republican, and Fuck you.

much like with the unabomber manifesto, in order to actually implement ancapistan we will need enough people to understand the importance of property rights and the harm of governments.

Your argument thought of "why are you here shitposting on Sup Forums instead of doing something" is the same as when leftists and all other people use it, in that its just an annoying question. why the fuck are you here pushing your ideas? well I have the same reason. There you go.

>Believing in Jewish fairytales
We're hitting levels of cuckery that shouldn't even be possible

>I'm willing to destroy governments to bring about ancapistan and liberty. I will be willing to destroy science to ensure the same thing.
But why aren't you doing it then?
>I will only do it when we all democratically agree to it.

Wow, nice destroyer of civilizations. Great job quoting a terrorist, and then refusing to act like he actually did.

>u too!!
I never said I will topple governments or destroy science to ensure that some canadian edgelord gets a prosthetic finger to jam up his ass when he is feeling sad.
I don't give a fuck what you do and what you get, there are places in South-East Asia that will advance science no matter what, and if anything good comes out of it within my lifetime I will indulge.

What do you believe in?

Transhumanist fags have a way of uniting the right in the way only communists can.

The power of dancing

>believing In dancing
>being this much of a nigger
Good thing whites can't dance

youtube.com/watch?v=jaaJyAjvajo

If whites couldn't dance, blue aliens would rule the world right now

>science = heresy
Only americans could be this stupid

>Calling others niggers

Transhumanism is about enhancing human intellect and physiology

going Trans,Having Tattoos,intentionallly cutting off limbs and having dildos is not an improvement at all..more like the opposite hohohol

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lmao so true

>there are places in South-East Asia that will advance science no matter what
The unabomber thought about this. He said his revolt against industrialisation would require the entire world system to be destroyed. Sort of like the "worldwide revolution" the communists dream about, except we won't be cancerous leftists, which he also talked about. When I talk about destroying civilization I mean everything.

Would we succeed? Probably not, but its worth a shot to prevent the death of humanity into ultimate nihilism. Or worse like the other guy said 400 year old soros. Frank the Anon5 guy talked about transhumanism and the elites as well so if he is not a larper then you are a 400 year old soros useful idiot.

>i will start a world wide revolution!
>w-why are you l-laughing? i will!!!!

>I know! I'll try to make him look like an idiot! HA! I totally won that argument!

You're still doing it, you fucktard.

i will happily become an immortal trans human while the rest of you niggers fuck each other in the ass and cling to your little idols

people with iq below 120 are literally incapabke of abstract thought. thry can only emulate it.

when the optimal path to prosperity becomes obvious, the idiots often can emulate it better than th smart ones, ehich is why ALL governments and bureaucracies collapse.

your dream of uplifting people is idiotic. in 7k years of history in europe and the east, the uplifted have always emulated golden age virtues, and the inability to filter them out destroys civilization

>>He believes Jesus is the logos
>>logos=knowledge

Jesus is as far from knowledge as a fruit is from meat.

You will be a slave ruled by immortal transhuman jews, that's the truth.

>catholic church being subverted
>Christianity being subverted in general
Not surprised at all.

cain pls go

I agree, which is why I don't really think we be capable of ever implementing any particular thing fully, and I'm somewhat blackpilled on ancapistan, particularly because even on Sup Forums we can never agree on anything. However the one thing we tend to agree on is opposition to the current order, which is the Rothschild controlled world. What we can do is expose the mechanism through which the world really works and then it can be more or less united.

Uprooting the current power structure will cause chaos and we have no idea what will emerge when we do it, but most of us agree on what we hate long enough to work together against it.

>Why don't you love me, father.

To be fair Leto's transition to sandworm-kin was over thousands of years.

christianity is a bunch of wizardry tales, what else.

i am geberally an accelerationist

we "expose" the corruption and then what? idiot proles then hate "banks" and "capitalism" as a kneejerk, and destroy technology and push harder for socialism and crash world iq by funding niggers to breed

white suoremacist capitalism, or unfettered technological slavery are the only two options that dont lead to a permanently low iq process that kills the high iq via islamic type civilizations that encourage breeding and underclasses

there is nothing to "explain"

idiots need to be enslaved building infrastructure and have their tongues cut out

if we dont do it voluntarily the robot owners will do it to us, mostly jews

Good dammit this shit is retarded, Christianity is such a fucking meme. There is no hope for this world. I'm just going to smoke weed and wait to die.

>lol weed

don't wait too long

I'm going to make much of a difference anyways, whichever direction we take I'm going to end up dead

I've been thinking along similar lines. It might be a good time to start preparing for a civilization collapse. Accelerationism could potentially make it happen. The world being nuked is a better option in my mind that ultimate victory of brainchips to control us. At least in that case we have an opportunity to start over.

do you follow nick land at all? he is not perfect by any means but its distressing to me that few others are talking about this

my big fear about a nuclear war is not that we can start over, but that the ideas we have will create a sort of new islamic type civ that will kill high iq people and allow the warrior class to breed, creating a sort of trap like in other wasteland civs like saudi arabia

bcause of their civ model, iq is permenantly falling. it is a species divergence event

oyr only chance is to take control of the tech and sibject it to himan ends. if we continue to be slaves to automated capital we will eventially become assets with higher upkeep than valuations, at the whims of the jews or chinese

never miss a chance to tip that fedora

The Republic cannot exist without the benefit of God in the first place, soldier, for it relies on the objective Truth. What is now is plainly not the Republic, I'm sorry you regret your time serving its corpse, but I would've made the same mistake if I'd been allowed.

That hat is a bit to tall for you

Fruit has meat, you've unintentionally crafted a tautological statement and even taken in the good spirit of what you meant to say the flesh of the bush is similar enough to the flesh of the beast to still render your jibe just as truthful.

Absolutely haram

a lot of what you are saying is new to me besides a couple stray thoughts I've had. when you get too deep into any line of thought you begin to lose sight of what your goals are in the first place. ultimately what I want to avoid are what I call "endgames", which is situations where you cannot undo what lead you to that "endgame" because for what ever reason something you don't like "won".

Ultimate jewish victory through the undifferentiated brown blob is one such endgame, but transhumanism is another. Like you've just mentioned, nuclear war creating a mad max situation is a dysgenic endgame where nobody really wins, but an endgame nonetheless. Though the problem is that when you focus so much on preventing things you don't really know what you are trying to acheive.

youre smart. i really reccomend land.

he believes we will all become slaves to capital processes, or that we alrady are. he imagines our goals are pointless unless we basically throw our humanity away and kill every human below a certain iq threshold.

thats the immediate goal.

the far off goal doesnt really change. right now it is 90 iq people trying to prevent science and 140 iq people from doing their job.

in the future itll be 140 iq people frok "humanist tradition" trying to stop 170 iq people

it is always dysgenic if you do not systematically kill the dumbest the way nature used.to

that is itself the only self sustaining goal. anything else devolves into dysgenic socialism or dysgenic anarchy

yudkowsky talks about this some too, with conscious states choosing to preserve their frame of reference e.g. if ghandi could take a pill/cyber implant to raise his iq 30 points, but it might cause him tovwant to kill off all indians, what would he do?

yeah with that attitude you sure wont