Should healthcare be a human right?

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Should a doctor be forced at gunpoint to offer you a service he spent thousands of his own money to learn how to provide, using equipment that costs even more thousands to build?

No it is not a human right. The only human rights are negative rights, the right to be free from the tyranny of another party enacting something upon you.

Should coca cola be a human right?

No, not at all

The people who dont want it as a human right change thier minds when its one of their loved ones who has an expensive medical condition.

>Leftists anus blazed that they can't just get health insurance when they're sick and likely just get rid of it when they aren't sick

Go ring up your home insurance provider and try to get fire insurance while your house is a smolder wreck

Cocaine should

Yes, however rights are things that aren't denied to you, not something that is owed to you. Big difference there.

Not when my countrymen are fat, smoke, and do drugs.

I would add drink but I drink so that would be hypocritical

No. Its a service that requires the labor and productivity of skilled and educated people.

Nobody has a right to someone else's labor for no fucking reason. Doctors are peoples personal slaves.

God I fucking hate leftists so much.

If there was a free market in the healthcare sector, said condition for said loved one wouldn't be nearly as expensive if there were many providers competing with each other to get my money.

Unfortunately we have bullshit govt handled healthcare and SHOCKER it sucks ass!

>Should a doctor be forced at gunpoint to offer you a service
yes

Are not*

but having health insurance isn't saving Mccain either

Nope plain and simple.

Yes it's a human right you dumb burgers. the doctors salary should come from the government so they give free health services to people like every country in the world.

Nope. Too many fatties and addicts that we'd have to pay for

Yep. It's your right to pay for it.

Nopety nope.

It is in the U.S.

No one can deny your right to purchase health care.

Unless we're talking about abortions or female circumcision in some places I guess?

No. /thread

Reality doesn't care if you declare that you have a right to healthcare. Resources are still scarce. The laws of supply and demand still exist. The government can't save you from reality; but luckily the incentives of the free market through division of labor and voluntary contract creates an environment where other people are incentivized to find cures to diseases that you have and then sell them to you at a price you are willing to buy it at!! Amazing right?

I think we should disregard this old question, and ask a moar important one
Should innernets be a humane right///

No, the person didn't have to become a doctor. So you are taking that for granted.

>should you have a right to a service provided by somebody else?
how do you exercise that right?

exactly. you can't bcs its not one. People don't have to become doctors.

no lmao

Why not?

Yes. I also believe guncare should be a human right. Every US citizens should get a free gun and a monthly supply of ammo for said gun.

this

Where do you think the government gets that money, retarded cockmonger?

The gov't pays doctors to... you know, doctor. I don't understand where people get the idea doctors will somehow be forced to perform their services at gunpoint.

No, you do not have the right to other people's services.

No, next topic.

It would imply that doctor's are a guaranteed resource, which they obviously aren't. The only way to guarantee them would be to force somebody to be a doctor and that infringes upon their rights.

If you declare it a human right then it has to be ALL THE WAY. Meaning if you so choose you can bypass university doctors. Have legal access to buy any and all drugs that you decide is right for your own body.

Having the right to allow doctors and legislation decide what health care you do and don't need is not a right to health care

can we just figure out how to undo women's suffrage so we don't have to worry about emotional arguments like OP ever getting taken seriously ever again?

femininity/estrogen in politics is the cancer that needs to be treated

Taxing the people a small percent of their income for everyone to have universal healthcare.

Thanks George, I never thought of it that way. Those stem cells won't sustain you forever.

alt. return to a free market system and let me pay competitive prices for my own fucking healthcare and not boogie1488's fat ass.

And if there are no doctors? Is the government to force you to become a doctor at gunpoint?

Human rights are a meme. There are two types of people:

1. Those able and willing to kill other people dumb enough to try giving them orders or taking their shit.

2. The slaves of type 1.

Yeah, your healthcare is so universal that your government decides to let babies die when the healthcare they need costs more than the government wants to pay like with Charlie Gard.

Increase salaries for doctors so the job will look more attractive. jesus people here are retarded!

>Still nobody takes the job
>Government is infringing upon your rights by not guaranteeing somebody else is doing something for you

Is healthcare a human right? No. As others have stated here, it is no ones right to have people and resources given without merit and at others expense.

Is it a decent idea to put forward and decide upon whether as a nation state you wish to have a dedicated budget to ensure the nation is capable of treating all of its citizens? Yes definitely.

The concept that healthcare is a human right is part of the main problem to its decay. Its a lack of self awareness of maintaining their own health due to the perceived safety net and the underestimation of what it costs to educate and pay people for their skills and work plus the resources consumed.

then you should import h1b immigrants.exe

Yes, as should burger flippers.
>muh $15/hour
Keep flipping for $7.50 and do it right. As an American, I have a right to a quality burger at a fair price.

Healthcare is not a human right

Think of a situation where you would be truly free. Say, in a cabin in the woods after the apocalypse, or perhaps on a deserted island.

The things you would have living there that are rightfully yours:
>freedom to say whatever you like
>freedom to associate with your family or whoever else you like who happens to be there
>freedom to believe what you like
>freedom to keep the fruits of your labour

Things that you wouldn't have that you would have to work for (these are things that are not rights):
>food
>shelter
>medical care

The issue here is not of the funding but of the ethics. The point is is the child is 100% required to be hooked on life support. It will never have any cognitive quality or capability other than to be an eternal vegetable.

The government intervention in this scenario is simply that there are certain circumstances where Drs can determine the best method of care. The drs determined allowing the child to die was what was best and under certain laws this is legal. The court of law didnt decide to kill the child. It simply chose to recognize the powers bestowed upon the Drs in question and the Drs arent fighting to kill the child. Just simply allow the child to die as that is what has been deemed the most ethical decision.

The baby will never recover. There is no cure. Only the capability to continue the childs shit existence which consists and pissing and shitting itself as it has no thoughts and is fed and breaths through a tube.

Stop allowing old people to live

yes "human right" as in you have no human right if you don't respect your body by being fat or skeletic because of muscular astrophy.... as in if YOU don't take care of your own health, you shouldn't have access to free healthcare. And you should understand why.

Should a house and a lambo be a human right also?

>implying healthcare would cure inoperable brain cancer

No its not a human right.
Socialized health care is a fucking scam.

>make healthcare a right
>force price controls so its cheaper
>top doctors, scientists don't care to go to school 12 years for pennies
>innovation halts
>people continue to flock to "alternative" medicine
>reenter dark age of medical technology
conservatives didn't invent cancer

its fine when everyone works and pays a fair share into it

This.
Its whats happening in Canada right now.
The wait times for specialists are fucking retarded because we dont have enough doctors. They're all fucking off to countries that dont have retarded regulations and taxes.

This is a good way to put this.

the worst is all the poo doctors we get because they still get paid more than in india

But that's not how it works and you know it is.
I pay about $40000 in taxes a year, while some faggot who works at McDonalds and lives with his parents probably pays $5000 a year, but we get the same level of care.
Why the fuck should I pay for somebody else to get health care?

We have very few doctors as it is and the ones that we do have are shitskins who are very poorly trained and fucking lazy.

Human's don't have a right to another human's labor, therefore healthcare is not a human right

>go to doctor
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>excuse me?
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>what?
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Not for retards who refuse to have it (subhuman united shitstains).

>increase salaries
>increase taxes
>taxationistheft.png
health care can have two of these three qualities:
universality, quality, and affordability. if you want to have quality universal health care, it's gonna be too expensive to operate

No, but pharmaceuticals shouldn't cost nearly as much as they do. Big pharma is a major part of the problem and as communist as this sounds it should be nationalized or at least heavily economically regulated. Drug costs are getting to be absurd and it's definitely affecting insurance premiums.

YES. I want my fucking taxes to go something worthwhile. not lame ass roads and state employees. I also don't want businesses to be involved with my healthcare in any way.

>Come to our country so we can force you to provide medical services at gunpoint!

Seriously, how is legally enforcing medical professionals to work not outright slavery?

Insurance is the problem as a whole. The medical industry assumes everyone has insurance, so they know that they can charge 8x the cost for everything because insurance will pay for it. Government only makes it worse with all their subsidies. Pharmaceuticals are just a cog in that machine.

I was reading your reply and accidentally just deleted like 130 episodes of King of the Hill off my DVR. Apologize to me please.

The solution is simple and this will blow millennials minds.... employers do offer health insurance. Working for healthcare is crazy I know.

Obviously no healthcare existed before Obama

There are no rights. However we have the means to provide healthcare to all so it should be provided to all citizens

>state senator

hmmmmm

South Africa declared healthcare a human right decades ago
Did that change anything?

This is truth, however I will still point out my argument about drug costs being insane, even with insurance. I have full health insurance through my job. It's pretty damn good insurance. Even so, my co-pay for Albuterol is $115.00 (generic). Same generic is available in Canada for about a 1/4 of that cost.

I don't get why burgers can't into a healthcare system that operates like their justice system.
A minimum degree of care is provided for people who cannot pay, like how if you are charged with a crime you can have a public defender assigned to give you the basic level of minimum legal care, but this doesn't prevent other prevent other lawyers who went to Harvard or whatever from going into private practice and making bank.
Just do that, John Hopkins graduates get to make a private practice and make bank, while if you went to medical school in Aruba or whatever you have to work for a government hospital. That's sorta what we have up here in Canadaland and honestly it's not that bad.
This also seems like a good compromise for all the libertarians on here because no one is being forced to do anything, if you want to charge top dollar prices become a top level doctor.

If you really, truly desire to maximize healthcare access, all you really, truly have to do is stop standing in the way. Deregulate it, take away all subsidies, supports, guarantees, and even licenses. Legalize all drugs and remove from doctors all special privileges or burdens. Remove all constrictions and make no effort whatsoever to shape the resulting market.
That is how you maximize healthcare access and quality.
Even poor people have big screen TVs! Unleash the invisible hand!

No because it is a service.
It's no more a right than shelter or food.

Ok, so my girlfriend is Canadian. I have an honest question for you. How good is your standard of care, really? I'm not trying to troll, genuinely curious? Is there really an issue with having to wait weeks to get a simple checkup? She makes it sound like it's totally awesome but then she'll make comments like "oh I can't get an appointment to see my physician until May" (in the month of March).

No, we should rather make it illegal for hospitals to charge people so much money, and make it illegal for colleges to charge so much money, as colleges make future men and women of medicine have heavy debt, which they charge so much money for their services, so they can pay off their debt. I'm not arguing for free college or healthcare, I want price control.

The standard of care seems quite good generally. I'm a healthy young male so I don't have to engage with it very often, but I never have to wait very long for an appointment. Couple days at most.
It also varies by province. I'm in Ontario.
Bear in mind Canadians will also, like your girlfriend seems to, talk up our Healthcare as if everything is paid for and glorious. That's not true. Tons of shit like dentistry, ortho, and other things aren't covered by Ontario's health insurance plan. I've (or my parents) actually had to pay out of pocket for the majority of my healthcare costs.
But it my experience it's good. Never had anyone in my family have a horror story of having to wait ages for care. I understand that it does happen but I think it is quite rare. And ultimately most of that can be avoided if you just schedule checkups regularly so you can mitigate any "out of the blue" serious health concern (which is free)

Absolutely not. Denying millions healthcare is the only way we can clear up population and denigger the world

I would not call health care a human right, but there are some.... more open, situations I feel would need addressed.


Most obvious is Immediate need. Person walks through the ER doors with a stab wound. A doctor should do what they can to save that person. Same with a heart attack, there's no time for payment options, they need nitro right now.

I (and most people) know the very basics of controlling a wound, keeping the person with enough blood to make it to a hospital. It's our duty to do so for another person. The doctor holds the same duty to stabilize. Not save, stabilize and minimize damage. Get fatty stabilized, then talk about the triple bypass (and how it's being paid for).

Health care gets stupid expensive for life extending procedures. You get cancer at 30? Here's a morphine drip or an option for a controlled overdose. Unless you or your insurance is paying for it, tough luck friend.
This is just human decency, I hate black people, always have. But if I see a dog bleeding out, I'm going to try to help it. I'd do the same for a nigger, as much as I'd like to say I would not.

A friends wife found an abandoned baby bird laying in the sun, obviously had a damaged wing. She was aghast when I calmly walked and got a shovel, and smashed it. It was the humane thing to do. It will never learn to fly, it will only suffer until it starves, ending its' life was the right thing to do.


The other BIG issue is what is considered "healthcare". Basic medical needs? Prescriptions? Emergency organ transplant? Keeping a vegetable alive indefinitely? Rehabilitation post surgery? What is healthcare, defines how we decide what role the individual, government, and private industry should pay.

FWIW: I'm a "let insurance companies compete across state lines" otherwise keep the pre-ACA system, kinda guy.

Can Americans think of anything without guns?

Also the "dude it's free lmao" mentality causes people to go to the doctor for fucking everything. Especially old ass people. I busted my lip when I was a kid and had to wait for over an hour holding gauze to my mouth before seeing a doctor to get stitches because of all the retards ahead of me who didn't need to be there. Your wrist hurts because you're 90, take your medicine and fuck off until you die.

Awesome, thanks for giving me that perspective. Every time she comes to visit me she's astounded by the concept of non-socialized medicine. Last time she was here we walked by a shop that was advertising for Obamacare enrollment and she stopped to take a picture because she found it so peculiar.

Calm down mr shapiro

Yrs, after we kick out all of the illegals and actual moochers.

Racist cuck.

Taking your hypothetical to its logical conclusion you could walk into a McDonalds and demand a hamburger because you're hungry.

It's not a right if you have to force someone else [with threat of legal action] to do something.

Slippery-slope is not considered by most to be a very effective rhetorical tactic, fyi. Particularly in this case, because it leads to a completely unrealistic conclusion, and only by reaching this unrealistic conclusion can you claim to have any kind argument.

Conjecture.

>top doctors, scientists don't care to go to school 12 years
No. Keep their salaries high and they won't go anywhere.

No one said we were going to underpay doctors. It's the pharma companies making billions that need price controls.

t. /leftypol/ shill

I'm a Berniecrat

And yes, basic healthcare should be paid by taxes (not free you fuckfaces). I don't care if you want to tax obese people or niggers more. That's fine with me.

There are no such things as human rights
Might makes right

Best post in this thread.

no
asserting that someone elses productive labor is your 'human right' not only undermines the notion of human rights but infringes on the economic liberties of others.