CAPITALIST

How will they ever recover?

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=w5kqWLneFnc
youtube.com/watch?v=RhIRuAsiFQQ
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

(((workers)))

wtf i hate private property now

Workers are degenerate and don't deserve to have property.

t. feudalist

Workers are degenerate and are property.

t. slave owner

Marx never held a job in his life and live off of the charity of his gay lover Engels.

except marxism is state or collectively owned wealth... its literally the lowest common denominator being in charge and pretending its for everyones own good.

It isn't stealing if they voluntarily agreed to perform the labor for a set wage so the guy taking all the risks can get return on their investment.

>Conservatives: No one should have it better than me. Vote no for everything. Yeehaw, suck my dick Bill.

By Nationalizing the International bank, and removing the useful idiot agents it employs called Marxists. But go ahead, keep being foolish and not addressing the source of the problem Bolshevist

But workers physically CAN'T have control over production without it resulting in an ineffective clusterfuck of administration.

Capitalism is flawed, especially the ridiculous late stage capitalism we're experiencing today, but the answer isn't destroying the basis of society and economics that has existed since the birth of civilization to implement a bullshit tried and tried again utopian idea that workers can own production with the help of an authoritarian dictatorship with guns to their heads at all times. It just doesn't work. Every instance of marxism has basically degenerated into corrupt capitalism where the state functions like a giant corporation because that's simply the only way economics can function. The "workers" have no fucking control, only the cabals of those who have sucked enough cock to climb the administrative latter who meet deadlines, live a life of luxury, and laugh with other "proletarian dictators" in the same gold plated halls as the Tsars they executed a few decades prior.

Employer: I will give you money if you follow these procedures and turn these materials I give you into goods.
Employee: ok
Employee after (((indoctrination))): all these things I made with materials you gave me are mine.

Ha ha and they gave it all to a government instead!

You say this like it's a bad thing

Workers should have control over the wealth they produce is a pyramid scheme tactic they teach you in sales.

>Don't you want to control your own money!

>Don't you want to invest in yourself!

>Don't you want to get others who will then invest in you as you invest in them!

>THEN GIVE US YOUR MONEY AND WE WILL REDISTRIBUTE IT!

>FUCK PRIVATE PROPERY -- TIME SHARES ARE THE FUTURE!

...

Hell yeah, without that worker the materials would be useless and the employer unprofitable.

Marx is the "Did you bring enough to share with the class?" of ideologies

Yeah fuck all the capitalists that take the risks starting and/or running companies. Communists have to be the dumbest pieces of shit crawling this planet.

The major difference is one is personal wealth, and the other is a collective wealth.

There's producing something on your own time
and there's producing it on your own dime

And without the employer, the worker wouldn't have the factory OR the materials.
If the worker thinks its a shit deal, he's free to walk.

Not another retard communist bitch Anifa faggot , failed 9th grade I see . Never read or studied Marx , Communism , Maoism and modern revolutions ? Failed to realize communism is a failed social experiment responsible for close to a 100 million dead within a hundred years ? Makes the dam Holocaust look like a picnic .

>give me some of your money because I want more money

no

Without the management and other departments, like sales etc, the worker would be useless as well. Employment is mutually beneficial. And under capitalism, you're completely free to create a socialist company, but it's simply much less efficient and it most likely wouldn't be able to compete with proper businesses. Nobody is stopping you. Especially considering that computers now are means of production, and they're quite cheap.

Administration is as much a part of the means of production as generators and conveyor belts, something entry-level socialists never seem to understand. More advanced socialists acknowledge the need for an administrative class but wish for it to be beholden to the workers. Once they've had it pointed out that there's nothing keeping workers from buying stock in their own companies they level out of being socialists.

How would the workers produce wealth without people able to hire them to do so? Do you really think seven billion people can be a perfect hivemind? We're not fucking insects even if the Chinese are trying to prove they are.

capitalism > communism

20 century is proof

Communists don't believe in wealth, they just see necessities. Therefore they believe the "people-owned" factories will provide those needs at gunpoint through 7 day 18 hour workweeks.

>Worker 1: Hey Carl, we need to belts on the harvesters. We need this much, go around and collect it.
>Worker 2: Bob, it's Christmas time and everyone is broke. Looks like we're out of business.
>Worker 1: If only we had some capital.

...

>MUH CONSERVATIVE BOOGEYMAN

when will this meme end

are communists aware that workers can own the means of production in capitalism?

>are communists aware

No

Communists aren't for the equal distribution of resources, they're for the complete cenralisation of power.

Worker's wealth isn't stolen by the capitalist, it's the source of his wealth in the first place.

can this just be autoposted in every single marx/commie/hurrdurr anti capitalism thread?

>strawman

...

Yeah just because someone's rich, doesn't mean you can't be equally rich. It's not like the total wealth is capped, so unequal distribution is a myth also. There's no limit to wealth. The more rich people, the better for the overall level of wealth.

>A capitalist class that doesnt do anything to earn it.
So I guess being a CEO is not hard?
Wy arent we all CEO's then?

Conservatives: those workers voluntarily entered into a contract with defined pay for defined work, their amount of recompense is decided by market value of their labour, otherwise I'd keep my capital and they'd go unemployed, unpaid and unfed.

youtube.com/watch?v=w5kqWLneFnc

>capitalist class does nothing to earn it
This is what dumbshit commies actually think.
If it's 'nothing' then why don't workers start their own factories and businesses?

This. But marxers do not realize this for some weird reason

Bull's eye, why dont I ever read this on facebook or such?

Oh wait, my country does not take commies serious at all. We let them be and they eventually beg at the streets cause their demands are not rational

Good point, but unfortunately worker communes turn into dictatorships in the current state of affairs. We need a new decision making system and a new type of democracy, i.e. real democracy.

"Regular people" must vote on all bills and more importantly, the courtroom needs to kick out the judge and make place for a diligent jury.

And in order to prevent ((them)) from controlling our minds, and thus the whole system, we also need to take stance against propaganda. That basically means banning any sort of political campaign in media, and even political speech from "public persons". How exactly that would work is quite the challenge, since it's dangerously disruptive against free spech.

I do think that Plato makes a good point in The Republic, where he sets out to create a good state by forbidding any degenerate culture from being spread in his state. I really think we need to start taking our culture seriously and say good bye to the "anything goes" kind of culture we're currently living in before anything starts to get better.

Democracy is trash. Direct democracy is only marginally better than representative democracy, and still suffers almost all of the same problems.

Imagine being retarded enough to think that it's more valuable to lift or build things for 8 hours a day than inventing things.

...

Well then quit and start your own business

Or save up money so your kids can etc

Fucking retarded communists

The only time a country truly needs to recover is after its been (((Commie))) ran. Sad.

Fucking kike

Lmao that's why when you split up the earning brackets into quintiles, the bottom 20% works the least hours per week, increasing all the way up to the top 20% who work well over 40 hours per week on average. I'm sure all those people making 150k+ annually are lazy inbred retards hurrr

>I have the skills to use material to build a product I might be able sell. However, I do not have the money to buy the material and I do not know if I can actually sell the finished product for a profit
>That's why someone else should give me the raw materials for free and guarantee that the product will sell

Your arguments seem to have been omitted.

...

Nobody gives a shit about the poor.

Uniting the gangs is the only solution to exploitation:

youtube.com/watch?v=RhIRuAsiFQQ

>When the only arguments you can win are with yourself

>workers exchange their work for money
>they should get to keep the end products of their work that they sold to their employer as well

what?

With a recession instead of genocide.

>be business owner with an idea for a complex product with lots of components
>each component requires a highly specialized worker who is only capable of making that one component
>the entire assembled, packaged and marketed product is worth more than the total of its components
>workers are only compensated for the labor of producing one component
>this is somehow unfair and I am exploiting the labor of my workers

What's the solution them? You worthless,brainless communism scum?
Do we give all the farms,food,money,medicine,resources and factories over to the (((state)))?
Yeah that always ends wells,doesn't it?

>retard tier false dilemma fallacy
Wow, you sure showed them.