Why are we avoiding the real problem

Help me /POL, where am I going wrong?

In modern America, healthcare is so expensive that very few can afford it.

It's so expensive, that you need insurance, which is almost gambling to afford anything.

Instead of dealing with the insane prices hospitals are charging, let's crack down on the people who are paying the bills (insurance companies).

I had a minor emergency that required an ER visit. The bill was over $10,000. I only had to pat $1,800 after insurance for very little care from a nurse.

So, I can't get an answer, why are we talking about insurance reform and the free market, when every doctor I know over 40 is literally in the 1%?

Yes, they should be paid well, but at what point are people going to see that hospitals are literally gouging people under duress.

TL:DR: Hospitals are ripping people off, paying themselves like kings, and somehow Aetna is the problem?

Gov't subsidizing healthcare inflates the actual prices of healthcare.

Murder doctors along with the bankers, fuck it

>Hospitals are ripping people off, paying themselves like kings
That's not what I heard. They have to jack up prices because insurance companies tell them to fuck themselves and that they'll only pay x%, take it or leave it.

It's insurance, like malpractice, being so expensive because Americans are sue-happy, and the equipment is extremely expensive. Plus it takes a long time to train a good doctor. There would be few doctors if it paid chump change after the hell you go through.

Its funny how doublethink has permeated American culture and people are so stupid they don't even realize it.

On the one hand you have die-hard left or right or attack helicopters preaching how people on welfare, the homeless or unemployed should not GET ANYTHING!! That these people are the bane of our existence and leech off society and will never produce anything.

Then the same people praise the healthcare system we have were 40% or more of the direct cost is attributed to middle-men paper pushers who in most cases don't even push paper. These companies and people pull in MASSIVE amounts of revenue because they've found ways to pass laws to force their services on us to maintain their positions in the system. These people pray on the sick and injured and bilk the country for billions on earnings which consumers would otherwise spend on homes, cars, ... consumer goods. But instead we hand that money to these leeches and then praise the system while spitting in the face of the truly needy and call them leeches.

Malpractice insurance is just one of those rackets, but there are so many...

... There is a reason X procedure costs 100-1,000% more in the USA than any other developed country.

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>/POL

kys

I've heard that logic, and if that is an issue, then why is there no talk of repayment reform, or pricing regulation.

Why not mandate that procedures cost a specific amount, and insurance is required to cover X% depending on your plan. In America, you have no idea what something costs in a hospital until you get the bill a few weeks later.

The point is, the rising of prices, to offset insurance companies being cheap sounds like an issue that no one is talking about. It's all about giving insurance companies tax dollars to pay the hospitals, who have huge prices because of the insurance companies?

>procedure is $100
>insurance only pays $50
>Doc raises price to $200
>insurance now pays $75
>Doc goes to $300
>insurance lost due to cost/lay off/etc
>sick person fucked
>Doc buys 2nd home for vacations

>doctors
>1%

I have 200k student loan debt and that will be 300 by the time I'm done with residency. Family doctors make like 130k after taxes and insurance. I also get shit on every day by attendings, nurses, and paperwork. I get paid slave wages.

How about targeting the insurance jews that literally do nothing and make more money than me? The healthcare training in America and the climate of practice has destroyed my soul but I'm too indebted to quit.

Thank you.

Nah, murder executives to get real results.

>In modern America, healthcare is so expensive that very few can afford it.

Its not only in America. I can't think of a single country where people actually pay for their healthcare and don't get reimbursed or the government pays for it.

>It's so expensive, that you need insurance, which is almost gambling to afford anything.

Don't see how that is "gambling", but insurances exist everywhere, even in countries with "universal healthcare".

>Instead of dealing with the insane prices hospitals are charging, let's crack down on the people who are paying the bills (insurance companies).

Well because like some other people mentioned, when Hospitals can charge whatever they want and it's the state that pays the bill they just keep asking. Is the same as gor college.

>I had a minor emergency that required an ER visit. The bill was over $10,000. I only had to pat $1,800 after insurance for very little care from a nurse.

This sounds about right in the mainland. I can't believe people actually leave here and go get cucked in there.

>So, I can't get an answer, why are we talking about insurance reform and the free market, when every doctor I know over 40 is literally in the 1%?

Nobody with at least two neurons in the brain would suggest that just magically eliminating insurers and having the government manage the budget like the NHS will fix things. If something it might make fraud, waste and abuse more rampant.

>Yes, they should be paid well, but at what point are people going to see that hospitals are literally gouging people under duress.

But Its not hospitals, physicians, nurses and other health aides get payed a lot in the US. Hospital managers (that are not clinicians) usually get paid very little.

>TL:DR: Hospitals are ripping people off, paying themselves like kings, and somehow Aetna is the problem?

Insurers are not the problem, the problem is regulation. The goverment regulates health too much insurers included.

this.

its an insurance racket. it has insulated itself from market forces because of third party payers. all economic forces trend pricing upward from the POV of the provider, because of regulatory expenses heaped upon them from the state and from the insurers. to bring down prices you must eliminate insurance from the health care provider, and force them to compete in a market where the best price for service wins. that does not occur now.

Fuck off with your poor mouthing.

My Dad was a Doctor, and several of my best friends are doctors. Through their med school experiences, most of my social circle are, in fact, doctors.

I've seen the leeway banks give you.
I've seen the consultant fees paid
I've seen the professional witness checks from lawfirms
I've seen the events the med schools throw in your honor.
I've seen the car collecting
I've seen the $25k per year private schools the kids go to
I've seen the European vacation homes

By 40, you will be rich, and we both know it, so fucking stop.

This. Not the first time it's happened.
>cheap housing
>government backed mortgages introduced
>Heb- "govts paying, let's jack up the prices"
It's like common sense and the ability to examine literal history is totally absent from some

You are moronic, it's a known fact that you can get quality healthcare in America for as little as $12 a year.
Trump said so himself.

Uh you get paid during residency. If your debt is increasing during it you're just shit with your money.

As it is the case with 99,9% of all the problems in the modern world, the problem is rural and suburban retards.

Rural and suburban retards elected Obongo because he promised them free shit, just like they supported Bernie Sanders for the exact same reason. They thought that he would tax the ultra high IQ, highly evolved wealthy states like New York and California so that they could all have free health care. Kind of like if Greece voted for someone who would tax Germany to pay for their gibs.

Obviously, New York and California said fuck that nigger shit and so they were stuck with Obamacare.

Obamacare is flawless in literally every way. It is impossible to argue against. It's not socialism because it forces everyone to carry their own weight but at the same time it helps poorer people by providing some sort of safety net, so it's not entirely retarded either. There's no way around it: it was perfect, but rural and suburban retards weren't happy because it wasn't free shit, and so the only way that rural and suburban retards could argue against it was by spreading fucktard conspiracies about the democrats.

After Bernie lost the nomination, rural and suburban retards decided to support Trump in an ultimate effort to tear down the system and hope that next time, another Bernie Sanders would run and finally give them the free shit that they wanted. Until that happens, they will never stfu unless someone decides to exterminate them with weapons of mass destruction.

When they hit residency, they are paid shit, like 40k a year for 80 hour work weeks. However, they generally stack up debt because they are Doctors, and need to start living the life. Big houses, New BMW's, etc. I know a cardiologist who built up over $50k in credit card debt during his residency with weekends to NY and European vacations.

don't you have a terrorist you should be cutting a check too instead of shitposting?

Thought this was australian for a moment.

what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.