>"Libertarians must be radical and uncompromising conservatives." -Hans-Hermann Hoppe
This thread is for Discussion of Capitalism, Libertarianism, Paleolibertarianism, Anarcho-Capitalism, Minarchism, Objectivism, Anti-Communism, Right-Wing Populism, and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace. Reminder that this is the Libertarian RIGHT General. Aleppo Johnson-fags, Left-Libertarians, and other Shit-Libs need to fuck off. Voice your complaints to r/libertarian.
>Hurrr you can't physically remove communists for thought crime. you're just as bad as them! >They're not hurting anyone, don't you belive in free speech!?
A society where a population threatens to "seize the means of production", starts riots, and destroys private property is NOT a libertarian society. They have to be removed.
Jacob Price
>Libertarianism is a tool of Zionism
STOP GLOBALISM. ABOLISH CENTRAL BANKING. END THE FED. GAS THE STATE NONE of this helps Zionist control. We challenge power more than any National Socialists think they do.
You can point out Rothbard (pbuh) was a jew, but you can find no link to zionism or bolshevism. I dare you to call the libertarian philosophy a tool of zionism. bring your evidence fag.
Samuel Ward
ALL socialism is about dominating and subjugating the people. which brings me to my next point...
Mason Green
Communists are aggressors by their own claim. Eliminating them is in defense of property and non-aggression.
Andrew White
On point
Nolan Jenkins
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Brandon Phillips
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Easton Jenkins
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Parker Taylor
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Nathan Edwards
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Adrian Williams
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Christian Rodriguez
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Justin Cruz
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Nicholas Williams
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Colton Price
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Luke Hughes
Ron Paul for mustard gas 2020.
Connor Martinez
>Conservatism >right to voluntarily discriminate >free market economics with accompanying prosperity >prompt physical removal of troublemakers >Private communities with privately enforced standards >social hierarchy
It astounds me that people actually reject this.
William Clark
Try think libertarian principles mean we want you to reject your family and your Nation. They don't see it as letting the people determine local policy directly rather than being made to accept universal principles from the state. Also wassap my favorite fascist.
Thomas Hernandez
'sup
Kevin Robinson
They think*
Aiden Murphy
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Charles Perez
This
You can be politically a libertarian and privately be a conservative. Because you don't want to impose rules on other, for example regarding drug use, does not mean you have to agree with drug usage.
Also we need to destroy these, "Select all images with Click verify once there are none left", captcha's.
Thomas Taylor
What libertarian merchandise do you fellas have?
Dylan Long
I just payed the 4jew to bypass that shit. I can't be playing mini games while trying to shill my propaganda.
Sebastian Morgan
>muh you can't remove peaceful communists for saying things you don't like. >peaceful communists
Charles Brooks
>Right wing populism | Murray Rothbard
Landon Cruz
"Peaceful communists" is an oxymoron. As is "peaceful liberals."
I've known many liberals, including those of my own family. Once you scratch the surface, you find there's only hatred and greed hiding deep.
Landon Bailey
Not much to be honest, I've got a big no step on snek flag. But that's it. I gotta lotta German and American WW2 stuff instead.
Mason Bailey
They've already violated the NAP by making threats to my private property.
Chase Gomez
Yeah I know a liberal close to home who pretty much Hates the world and see's "the only way to win is to be a victim" he's a hardcore militant atheist and it turns his perception into a deterministic nightmare and socialism and totalitarianism as a bright solution.
Caleb Sullivan
Centrist Libertarian here
I like you guys but you act like you'd let your fixation on rightwing ideology interfere with common sense, and you know you need to admit that sometimes in extremely rare scenarios the government is going to need to financially aid its citizens, like during a completely random natural disaster. or war on our soil. The only form of libertarianism that is pragmatic and real is Centrist libertarianism. be realistic. Libertarianism makes sense but you need to realize that there's occasional scenarios where the government is going to need to aid its citizens a bit. Not saying things need to be more authoritarian, but economically centrist.
Owen Mitchell
You aren't libertarian if you're centrist, the whole movement is capitalism and therefore economic right wing
Fuck off
Colton Sullivan
Care to make an argument for "government needs to aid citizens", simply asserting it to be true doesn't make it so. sounds to me you're a liberal, not a libertarian.
Grayson Campbell
Fuck off commie
Ian Bailey
Again, no.
If you built your home in an area prone to natural disasters, why should people OUTSIDE of it who aren't affected by it support you? Use foresight, do your research and accept the consequences of your decision--you'll live or die by it.
As for war...there's a lot of material available online about how you could actually have a completely libertarian military.
Jaxson Lee
Oh look, uneducated people who call themselves Libertarian but never read any of the political philosophies or doctrine of what it means or how it was derived, and why I doubt you're even ring wing libertarians, probably just bored shitposters
Nathaniel Cook
Alright well your ideology would be less economically prosperous and would waste more lives in the longrun. have it your way.
Jaxson Rodriguez
You're under the delusion than your positions hold enough water to merit refutation
Austin Cooper
>When the "libertarian" rejects property rights. By what merits do you call yourself a libertarian? You are fine with the state forcing you to pay for fuck ups you had no hand in. You're not a libertarian, just a liberal who's fed up with sjw shit. What is your distorted idea of the libertarian doctrine?
Christopher Miller
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Mason Parker
What do people think of Michael Munger? Specifically his statement on destination libertarians vs directional libertarians?
Is there anything on the state level you'd think the libertarian party should represent?
Parker Bennett
>why should people OUTSIDE of it who aren't affected by it support you? Well they could charge high prices during a catastrophe. More demand (due to an emergency) leads to higher prices which leads to producers doing all they can to get their product/service delivered in a catastrophe stricken area.
Benjamin Cooper
I don't know the guy but I assume your talking about "is it just to use "non libertarian" means to achieve a libertarian society?" My perception is that we are being aggressed upon and so such means would be warranted as self defense. The terms are a bit muddy. I'd have to be given some specifics before I could really say that to be true.
He has run as a libertarian on a state level. By "destination libertarian" he means the purest form of libertarianism (so 'the state is treading on me, I'll shoot it'), by "direction libertarianism" he means moving our current political system in the direction of libertarianism. Essentially pragmatism and knowing we aren't going to elect the next Pinochet so let's do the best we can with what we got.
Adrian Diaz
Reminder that agorists are communist enablers
Zachary Murphy
>It astounds me that people actually reject this. exactly that's why /lrg/ is our greatest ally.
Liam Ramirez
I feel I could be doing both, I support pragmatic policy that puts us closer to libertopia, but at the same time, fuck the law. Don't abide by it if you won't be caught. Evade taxes and shoot some politicians if you can get away with it.
Nathan Lewis
>waste lives People that die because of their own stupidity deserve nothing
Jose Hernandez
I feel to same way, the only illegal markets you can get into on a starter level are usually degenerate as fuck. But still, the jobs I do don't get reported to the state and I don't get taxed. If you could get a whole community to just not pay taxes on their businesses maybe you could get some succession going on.
Parker James
What's this? Two fashy goys? Man you guys are alright. I thought you were the same guy.
Jeremiah Fisher
Why do you link David Friedman when he's one of the open borders libertarians you Hoppeans hate?
Anthony Ward
No I was in the last one, just passing by because I saw a thread so early. maybe anons see that libertarianism the best way to raise society to a higher level.
Isaiah Rodriguez
Let them speak when they're right about the market, physically removed them when they shill for globalism. What's the problem?
Cameron Walker
Now you want to physically remove "globalists"? Do you really think you're fooling anybody calling yourself libertarian?
Asher Walker
Yeah I recognized you by "greatest Ally".
Y'know for fascists you understand libertarianism better than most god awful snekflag posters on this board.
Aiden Jackson
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Owen Nguyen
Why would property rights imply that I have to tolerate subversives who want to put in place a regime of open borders on my homeland. I have no obligation to do such a thing.
Joshua Fisher
Maybe because we come from the other side and learned about it from uncucked libertarians. Also everyone on the right should read Hoppe he is very important to unite us.
Matthew Hughes
You don't have the right to dictate who other people can associate with. Unless you can somehow get people in your "homeland" to unanimously ostracize "subversives", you're never gonna "physical remove" them without initiating violence against them.
Jaxon Wilson
Delete this.
Cameron Cox
Right, and so you don't get to force me to associate with open borders cucks. Opening of the central state puts all of our property at risk as long as there is public property. That in combination with the civil Rights act creates a situation where we are forced to integrate foreigners into our institutions.
Maybe read up on from the Orthodox AnCap position See
Sebastian Fisher
True most non right winger get introduced via libertarian cuckoldry and later move up. Fascists aren't worried about normalfag issues and are able to dive into the real shit right away.
Asher Ortiz
DELET
Joshua Morales
Yes, but on the other hand you have conservative right wingers, who heard all their life how capitalism = exploitation = globalisation =open borders etc. and they believe it, some of them are even willingly to cooperate with socialists as long as they are patriotic and against free markets. But it is a good start that more people come into this threads here.
Jacob Harris
That shit is a bit hard for me to wrap my head around, conservative in my country means you embrace capitalism and nationalism.
Conservatives by you are practically NatSoc or some lite version?
Ryder Rivera
>Conservatives by you are practically NatSoc or some lite version? They are afraid of being called natsoc or nationalists, so they call themselves patriots, but when you talk with them you see everyone of them has socialist tendencies, I've never faced so much hate as when I talk property rights and free markets. So in the end they are much closer to natsoc as they'd like to be, while some natsocs I know are more leaning to libertarians than actual being natsoc, it is a weird situation in europe.
Joseph Watson
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Angel Russell
>when u get rid of labor laws and work safe laws and plunge millions of people into poverty and on the job deaths skyrocket >when to fight corpratism u lift regulations allowing even greater corprotism to form >when u get rid of welfare and inadvertent murder and leave millions homeless and destitute >when confronted with how these people will be taken care of u scream muh charity ignoring how charity is a fucking scam who knows maybe one day when u are down and no one wants to help u maybe u will gyow up but u are all bunch of edgelord teens who probably have never worked or are on welfare yourselves so.....
Mason Taylor
I hope for your sake that you are trolling
Cooper Morgan
Yesterday I was trying to come up with arguments around a NatSoc perspective.
Is their fear of being called nationalists genuine or due to PC bullshit? I mean to say if you approached capitalism as a explicitly nationalist position would they fag out or identify with it?
Joseph Taylor
im not libertarianism like all other utopian idea are pipe dreams
disprove a single thing i said mate im happy to debate
Hudson Hill
You don't belong here. Real world experience and applying it to others is a sign of maturity and rational thought. Neither has a place on this board.
Levi Ramirez
>I mean to say if you approached capitalism as a explicitly nationalist position would they fag out or identify with it? depends, I can't really tell with many people if they are really afraid because of the government or if they are really against nationalism.
Nathan Cook
Okay, well what kind of "Patriot" rhetoric do they espouse? NatSoc stresses our people, our volk. But that might be too racist for them. Do they talk about muh county maybe? You gotta take whatever it is and show them how property rights can achieves those things .
Kayden Reed
>when u get rid of labor laws and work safe laws and plunge millions of people into poverty and on the job deaths skyrocket They would actually go down, because of advances in technology and the dismantling of bureaucracy would leave these jobs in the past. Even then, its your fault if you choose a dumb job. If you really care, why not start a safe hiring industry practices company and only offer as an agency, safe jobs? Because you don't, you're just projecting your fears. >when to fight corpratism u lift regulations allowing even greater corprotism to form Incorrect. Its easier to be a giant corporate umbrella today BECAUSE the amount of regulations and their ability to control the little guys. People want to buy locally and do good for their community. >when u get rid of welfare and inadvertent murder and leave millions homeless and destitute People on welfare were not meant to be alive anyway, nobody cares? No matter how harsh it sounds that is the truth. They are on welfare anyway because Federal Reserve policies. You're argument is garbage. Do you think a heroin addict deserves to live, because it feels good to keep being a heroin addict and getting off of it would suck for 1-2 weeks? >when confronted with how these people will be taken care of u scream muh charity ignoring how charity is a fucking scam "Charity is a scam". Great, if you think other charities are scamming, then you can open your own and give free vouchers and hand outs to those donating to those specific charities you think are a scam, of direct evidence they are scamming their donators. You won't do that though because once again you are projecting your apathy.
Jose King
>not button slapping "physical removal"
Jack Martin
>When you're hitting it from the back and she moans "taxation is the price we pay for civilization" REMOVE.
John Wright
Mostly on the right it goes with we are patriots we love the state we hate nazis, we want welfare and government jobs only for our people, we are proud to pay taxes because that is the prize we pay for living in a civilisised society, capitalism is to blame for immigration because big companies wants maximum profit thats why they lower the wages with immigrants, property rights, they agree with but it should be the task of the police to defend it, so no self justice and if your property hurt the feelings of other people it should also be banned. oh and muslims are bad, that is the main rhetoric.
Jordan Diaz
yes
Elijah Lopez
"Libertarian" is code word for Aryan Brotherhood nazi, fuck y'all.
Austin Rogers
Personal responsibility is a beautiful thing, that is my response
Aaron Moore
ALL nazis get punched, especially alt-right chanchumps
Austin Phillips
>hey would actually go down, because of advances in technology and the dismantling of bureaucracy would leave these jobs in the past i agree on the tech bit but not on the bureaucrat bit there is no reason to rip up our beuracratic establishment when its mainly working fine there is no good reason the gov should just la off millions of people who work in public services >Incorrect corpratism thrives in an unregulated enviroment thats why we dont just need the regs alread in place we need to EXPAND them >People on welfare were not meant to be alive anyway, nobody cares all people deserve a minimum standard of living no matter their class the idea "the poor werent to live" is just an elitist opinion u hold >Great, if you think other charities are scamming, then you can open your own and give free vouchers and hand outs to those donating to those specific charities you think are a scam, of direct evidence they are scamming their donators i dont do it because i know it is a lost cause no single charitable group can help the disenfranchised of a nation must less the world only the gov has a true viable solution to helping reduce suffering thats wh i stand with the other working class agisnt u and your kind
i think it is worth to mention that the little utopia u imagine will NEVER exist because the working people are not on the same side as u and the people never will be
Josiah Wright
Jesus that's pretty rough. That's full blown socialist, not just liberal crypto socialism. I said it yesterday but cucky feelgood libertarianism (like adam kikesh ) might be the way to go. He usually makes socialists feel like bad goys and has some aggressive debate tactics. I've seen that kike convince a real nationalist Texan to embrace open borders. Even if he's a cuck he makes strong arguments. That and you need to show "capitalism" as corporatism. I'll see if I can work at it but it's a tough sell to that mindset.
Jordan Moore
>That's full blown socialist, not just liberal crypto socialism. Yes, I think prussian socialism is to blame for this at least in the german parts of europe. but it is all the same across europe there are no real right wing movements. That's why I said yesterday, It is maybe easier to start with libertarians and make them conservatives as the other way around
Liam Smith
I should add that these cuck libertarians (being communist likes themselves) are great at winning over socialists. Peter Schiff is one such guy who can convert socialists easy. He went to occupy wallstreet and debated everyone there. Pretty much hit every possible argument.
It's definitely different with conservative socialists but it's what comes to mind.
Jack Bennett
>corporatism thrives in an unregulated environment Objectively incorrect, you clearly need a lesson in economics. Read Choice or Human Action
Adam Wood
>Peter Schiff is one such guy who can convert socialists easy. He went to occupy wallstreet and debated everyone there. saw that video, was great. Everyone here is like the australian guy here Only difference with left and right is you like immigration/muslims you are left, you don't like immigration/muslims you are right there is no difference in their economic view, and nobody even cares about it. there are small parties which go into economics also, but they don't have any chance to get anywhere, they even struggle to get enough supporters to attend the vote.
Cooper Wood
Why do you have Ron Paul in your image when he has been espousing tolerance and free exchange of ideas, the opposite of Hoppean pseudo-libertarians?
Luke Stewart
That's why we need better models i.e. Political compass
Left/right that the media uses is so shit
Andrew Allen
Ron Paul sounds real Hoppean here, huh?
>Just because you allow somebody to have a lifestyle you disapprove of doesn't mean you have to endorse it. A lot of people don't quite understand that. They think legalizing freedom of choice is an endorsement of what people do. And there's no reason in the world that this can't bring people together. If you have people on the left and people on the right and they want liberty for something over here, and somebody wants liberty for this over here… why shouldn't everybody come together for liberty to use it as they see fit?
Adrian Martinez
Ron is a bit guilty of pandering to Democrats as an anti war guy. He may have inadvertantly started the leftist takeover of libertarianism but he himself is 100% edgy Paleolibertarian.
Juan Carter
>Left/right that the media uses is so shit yes, but alternative media and groups use it the same way.
Jace Bailey
Nope, not at all.
Again, Ron Paul:
>And yes, there are a lot of people out there living their lives in ways we might disagree with. But intolerance is what government is based on. The far left, they are very intolerant and are happy to have people with guns tell other people how to live. We need to keep in mind that if other people aren’t hurting us or using government to force their way of life on us, they should be left alone. Unlike the left, we want tolerance for other people’s morals and for how other people work for a living and what they choose to do with their money. We need more tolerance and humility in every aspect of life, and that’s how we get a free society.
Brayden Rivera
Can someone please explain Hoppe to me? How would it differ from ancap?
Blake Sullivan
Yeah, he does. I don't have the quote on me but Hoppe has stuff that sounds just like this.
Ethan Morris
I don't see the what you're getting at, this is basic bitch libertarian stuff.
