Is intelligent design the biggest red pill?

Is intelligent design the biggest red pill?

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No, because it's been thoroughly debunked for decades.

We were created by God and saved through the Son. Believe in our Christ Jesus, that's the red pill.

If intelligent design exists how would you explain Britain?

It certaintly can't be ruled out. The evolutionist/atheists get really bothered by the idea of intelligent design because they equate it to religion and the existance of a god.

They miss the mark. Forget the idea of god and religion for a moment. Why could we and life on Earth not have been designed and created by intelligent Engineering aliens? Life is so complicated and elegant. It shouldn't be ruled out.

>it's been thoroughly debunked for decades

So how do you get meaningful genetic information, form, structure and intricate molecular biological machinery then?

By what mechanism are bioligical processes being changed?

Evolution has natrual selection

Intelligent design has....magic?

Could you elaborate a bit.

All is one!
>lawofone.info
Look into the Logos... evolution is the whole point, but the framework is designed by the logos (galaxies) and sublogos (stars)... basically all is one and we are individualized portions of the one infinite creator... and we are basically sub sub logos or co-creators ourselves.

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Yes, god doesn't need to mold every little thing. He just creates a few laws and the universe follows those few simple laws to create insane complexity.

The problem with the "aliens did it" theory though is those aliens would themselves have to be extremely complicated and so you then have to explain where they come from. Doesn't really address the problem just moves it to another planet.

If God exist, I am going to cut off his face and wear it as a mask when I invade heaven.

> The evolutionist/atheists get really bothered by the idea of intelligent design because they equate it to religion and the existance of a god.

Or maybe it's just stupid, debunked and only pushes back the problem. If intelligent aliens created life on earth, how did the aliens get here? Eventually something has to emerge from a natural, non-conscious process. Intelligence and consciousness are also complex and only known to emerge from biological processes.

mutation and natural selection explain it perfectly.

>"it wasn't god, it was aliens"
so biological evolution is real, as well as abiogenesis
>"uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

ID in a nutshell

> mutation and natural selection explain it perfectly

Except we don't know that it does because the creation of new functional complexity has never been observed and irreducible complexity seems to make it a logical impossibility.

This ( ) has aliens stuff, but offers basically the same view as generally speaking.
Alien inferfedence, positive or negative, is another subject but kinda crazy.

>He just creates a few laws and the universe follows those few simple laws to create insane complexity.
I think this is basically it. God has better things to do than personally turn on the light bulb every time you throw the switch.

Interference damn.

Nature orders itself, the problem is the assumption that order and design are somehow separate from nature. If the universe exists and has dimensional space and physical properties, then it will have a range of 'rules' for how certain things will behave. If you funnel matter through this sandbox for enough time, eventually certain natural processes will generate order, like gravity and cohesion causing small particles to stick together to form larger bodies, the formation of magnetic fields, or how water molecules form intricate shapes when exposed to freezing temperatures.

Order and design are natural aspects of our universe, they need not be explained by something outside of it.

nope

non-falsifiable

Maybe we were created by ancient AI from a past civilization that no longer exists anymore.

The fuck are you talking about? Humans have applied selective breeding pressure to animals in the domestication of wildlife into pigs, dogs, cats, rabbits, etc.

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Design it's a thing, it's not just random ocurrances, that's why we have convergent evolution, intelligent design it's just a meme to avoid taking everything into consideration.

Thats only true if there is no such thing as a universal, eternal conciousness. Believing both things is equally stupid, but not equally usefull.

>mutation and natural selection explain it perfectly.

i see

lets assume that

now about the origin.....?

are you ok?

Irreducible complexity is debunked by the fact that evolution is not a linear process, it is simply change in any direction, which means complex shapes could have been formed by parts that are no longer there, like scaffolding used to build a building. Basically, you are assuming that a complex structure was built with all the parts it currently has, and also that it always had to carry out the same function. Evolution adds, removes and re-purposes parts.

The problem with the "god just set up the laws of physics and then everything else naturally arose from that" theory is it doesn't explain the information. The laws of physics explain how ink sticks to paper, but doesn't in any way determine the text written on it. Same with amino acids and nucleotides. The laws of physics explains how they stick together, but doesn't in any way determine the sequence.

A compeletly different debate.

Evolution is one thing, Abiogenesis is another.

Lets assume Intelligent design is true, by what mechanism is the designer making the creations?

> could have

Quite the imagination you have there. Any observed example of this? How does the concept of scaffolding apply to a motor?

thats a conjecture, not a proof

>theory is it doesn't explain the information.

depends on how deep the "God did it" framework is per who is delivering their idea of it

The origin is nature. Nature, the universe itself, is the context in which anything exists. You dont have to keep going backwards to explain where everything came from, eventually there has to be some basica reality for anything, including gods, to exist.

Does god control his own existence? Did God design his own mind from nothing? If God exists, then existence is still the king that rules god.

>Thoroughly debunked
Just like the Seth Rich case

>Lets assume Intelligent design is true, by what mechanism is the designer making the creations?

exterior to our spacetime, possibly
thus non-falsifiable

Different field of research. Also a bit of a rough one considering we don't have time machines lying around.

ID is a scientific non-issue, because in itself, the question is not scientific. Whether some god made it this way or not is, for the purposes of science and research, irrelevant.

OK, god did it. Now what? How is that helping us design new drugs and treatments, understand pathways and hereditary diseases?

We can only utilise mechanisms that we have access to.

As said they are two completely different things, but also, there have been major advances recently about how life could have started.

>The origin is nature. Nature, the universe itself, is the context in which anything exists.

non-falsifiable

>You dont have to keep going backwards to explain where everything came from, eventually there has to be some basica reality for anything, including gods, to exist.

same

>Does god control his own existence?

self referential loop

>Did God design his own mind from nothing?

NF & SRL
also paradox

> If God exists, then existence is still the king that rules god.

everything before++

Intelligent design is the biggest redpill, cause it's true. And I'm not talking about the whole biblical creation scam, it's as hard to believe we have a creator as to believe we don't, but science points toward the first.
youtu.be/aR5N2Jl8k14?t=238
Look at that, a computer's drone design looks similarly to the skeleton of a flying squirrel.
Now if you would call this evolution, fine, but I personally think it's intelligent design.
I believe we will reach a moment when we will learn how to create life from nothing and then you'll have your answer.

>OK, god did it. Now what? How is that helping us design new drugs and treatments, understand pathways and hereditary diseases?

Technically the grand theory of evolution doesn't help much with that either. Natural selection helps a bit, but the grand claim of all life being related and everything being created by natural selection... you don't have to believe in that in order to cure cancer.

>ID is a scientific non-issue, because in itself, the question is not scientific

indeed
with current science

>Whether some god made it this way or not is, for the purposes of science and research, irrelevant.

>irrelevant

to some

>OK, god did it. Now what? How is that helping us design new drugs and treatments, understand pathways and hereditary diseases?

red herring

>We can only utilise mechanisms that we have access to.

indeed

links?

Watch the fucking kitzmiller vs. dover trial, you superstitious trogladite. This information has been available form decades, all of it. There was a big fucking court case over it that set the precedent for keeping your magical bullshit out of schools.

Wow, what a comparison.

So something that can never be proven nor disproven because it is impossible to measure.

Can you see why most scientists just don't even bother with intelligent design? You are trying to present a theory that can't even begin to be tested.

>Biologists and scientists spend entire lives trying to figure this out
>smug shitdick walks up
>"psssh you guys cant even explain yet how this all got here!"
>"obviously if you have no thorough answer, then god!"

>men's prostate
>intelligent

Fuck you

ATP synthase is amazing, honestly makes you believe in God alone

Intelligent Design is not about aliens you dip. It just means that events we attribute to intelligence, like observation, are necessary for the universe to begin. However that's interpreted as God, or a simulation, or consciousness as a force.

>Watch the fucking kitzmiller vs. dover trial, you superstitious trogladite.

calm?

>This information has been available form decades, all of it.

ever heard the term "logician"?

>There was a big fucking court case over it that set the precedent for keeping your magical bullshit out of schools.


"thus man has declared pi is exactly = three"

>So something that can never be proven nor disproven because it is impossible to measure.

>never

thats a bit beyond rationality

>Can you see why most scientists just don't even bother with intelligent design?

of course

>You are trying to present a theory that can't even begin to be tested.

no im not
all of my words are explicit
ive not positioned myself to a side in this thread
you are just relying on false implicits

>Watch the fucking kitzmiller vs. dover trial

Wasn't there a movie about this?

>ATP synthase is amazing, honestly makes you believe in God alone
Indeed. It's trippy as fuck to think that inside your body right now there's a quadrillion tiny motors spinning hundreds of rpm keeping us alive.

>Lets assume Intelligent design is true, by what mechanism is the designer making the creations?
That's an excellent question, but the answer is distinct from admitting intelligent design might be true for some lifeforms. After all, humans MADE dogs. Yes, we made them out of wolves, but they would not exist if we had not intentionally steered their evolution for our purposes.

And before you object to the first sentence, recall that human genetics was not known at the time Darwin made up evolution. He had no mechanism to offer either, but asked people to accept the evidence for what he was saying. If that's fine for his theory, why not for this one?

>Intelligent Design is not about aliens you dip

no
the set of origins it alludes to does include "aliens"

>Wow what a comparison
I know, great huh? Evolution is a real phenomenon. We can see it in real time if we look in the right places. But that's not what you want to debate. You want to debate the existence of God.

>you don't have to believe in that in order to cure cancer.

But you do. Microbial life, and life-like entities like viruses follow the evolutionary scheme, it's how we design and predict vaccines.

It also helped us understand the natural history of various species and order fossil records we unearthed.

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and Finally:

“Anyone who studies this stuff…the Illuminati, the Federal Reserve, the political side, the elite, Hollywood, all of it–anyone who goes really deep…finds God, the Bible and Jesus Christ. It’s all about Him. It’s a war on HIM.”

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Take the Final Redpill:

All of this, ALL of it..Is a WAR on CHRIST by the (((Synagogue of Satan)))) :

Because CHRIST is the EMBODIMENT of TRUTH....The LOGOS made FLESH.

For YOU.

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
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> So something that can never be proven nor disproven because it is impossible to measure.

> Can you see why most scientists just don't even bother with intelligent design? You are trying to present a theory that can't even begin to be tested.

Dark energy can't be directly observed either but can still be indirectly inferred to. We observe galaxies accelerating apart and infer there's some energy doing that. If the indirect inference to dark energy is scientific, so to is the inference to design.

>red herring
Nope. It's the entire point of this somewhat pointless discussion. Evolution is science, science isn't about ultimate truth, but rather 'what works best'. ID doesn't do shit for science, hence why it's disregarded.

>Is intelligent design the biggest red pill?
I don't assume it is universally true. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think most species might have genuinely adapted to their environment.

But intelligent design is an incredibly useful idea. Imagine if we pursue this and find a way to detect JUST FROM A CREATURE'S GENOME whether it was in any part created. Think how useful that would be. Some have proposed the HIV was SYNTHESIZED by "evil people." We could detect that and answer definitively if it was.

We should certainly pursue the science implied by intelligent design, even if the Darwinists don't like it.

We as human beings are the product of thousands of years of development. What's not to say the cells in our bodies have carefully planned out this ordeal among themselves? While our consciousness is designed to perceive itself as a whole instead of millions of little pieces?

Right now there are billions of us running around with limited scope that the others are doing, the internet has been a giant stepping stone to improve that, but who knows there technology will lead us towards a global conciousness?

>But you do. Microbial life, and life-like entities like viruses follow the evolutionary scheme, it's how we design and predict vaccines.

No you don't see:

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(From a former national academy of sciences member)

Even if everyone in the world were young earth creationists, the field of experimental biology would be no different.

>God adds, removes and repurposes parts.

completely by chance

your connection between those two abstracts is not even tenuous

though i am on your side

>red herring
Nope.

thread is about ID
you attemped a divergence
(red herring)

Is the kike theory that has been debunked by non-jewish scientists the biggest redpill?

>But you do. Microbial life, and life-like entities like viruses follow the evolutionary scheme, it's how we design and predict vaccines.
That's only MICRO-evolution. We have never once in the lab seen a evolution produce a new species, despite heroic attempts to make it happen. Minor adaptations do indeed occur within species in response to environment, but those adaptations have a hard limit such that pushing a species far enough to "evolve" it simply causes it to go extinct.

Those experiments have gone on for more than long enough to accept the answer nature is showing us. Pure Neo-Darwinism cannot explain speciation. We are missing something, though I don't pretend to know what it is.

> your connection between those two abstracts is not even tenuous

Why? It's a perfectly valid connection. They are both indirect inferences to unobservable, untestable things.

Well, I couldn't be bothered writing a longer post, but obviously (and this isn't now), Darwin's mechanism provides explanation, but no meaningful toolset.

However, I'm very fascinated by the thought of my colleagues from geography and geology having to work exclusively with young earth creationists.

But this is the entire point - it's a pointless discussion, nothing would change one way or the other; some people just enjoy being a pain in the butt (on both sides of the argument).

dark matter can be tested for, we just lack the technology

the other cannot be tested for no matter any theoretical technology

>hey, let's put the breathing pipe right next to the food pipe and even combine them for half the way
>intelligent

>We have never once in the lab seen a evolution produce a new species, despite heroic attempts to make it happen.

How long have we tried? Decades?
Call me in a few thousand, better million years.

By the way, the macro-evolution of whales is brilliantly documented.

Even if we can't measure dark energy directly, we can still measure its effects. The theory of dark energy holds ground because it can be somewhat measured.

Intelligent design can't be measured. You're speaking of a force that's beyond any measurements.

Darwin presented natrual selection as a mechanism for evolution when he published "On the Origin of Species." He presented a measurable mechanism from which we could observe his theory.

Intelligent design has failed to present a mechanism, only a "maybe in the future we'll have evidence"

>But this is the entire point - it's a pointless discussion, nothing would change one way or the other; some people just enjoy being a pain in the butt (on both sides of the argument).
No, not entirely pointless. If we know absolutely that at least some species or some organ were engineered, then our next step is to figure out how, why, and by whom. There's a lot to be learned in that.

>dark matter can be tested for, we just lack the technology
>the other cannot be tested for no matter any theoretical technology

I said dark energy not dark matter. And how do you know dark energy can be tested by theoretical future technology?

Just because Top molecular geneticists, biologists, etc. with decades of research dedicated to this can't dumb it down to your level does not mean it cannot be explained.

If you want answers go get a PhD. I've spent four years studying this shit and I've barely scratched the surface and I guarantee I know far more about the inner workings of evolution, genetics, and biological machinery than you do.

Amen brother. Hope you went to church today.

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If there's one thing that's certain, it is Man's arrogance.
Absolutely jack shit has been debunked.

Dna is just computer code . Our universe just started one day, from nothing came everything and were supposed to believe some God didnt just press enter.

>Just because Top molecular geneticists, biologists, etc. with decades of research dedicated to this can't dumb it down to your level does not mean it cannot be explained.
>If you want answers go get a PhD. I've spent four years studying this shit and I've barely scratched the surface and I guarantee I know far more about the inner workings of evolution, genetics, and biological machinery than you do.

Very intellectually elitist of you. Do you know more than molecular biologist and id proponent, Doug Axe?

>Call me in a few thousand, better million years.
It's about generations, not years, as you should well know. We have LITERALLY be trying to force-evolve fast-breeding species like microbes for decades. More than enough generations have passed in those experiments that we should know if Neo-Darwinism can explain speciation, and it can't. The theory is missing something, but I don't know what. Everyone always assumes I'm implying it's God, but I'm not because I assume he has better things to attend to.

You might want to read what some of the ID scientist have to say about the whale-evolution fossils. Turns out the Darwinists have been faking their claims. It's worth your time to hear the other side.

>He presented a measurable mechanism from which we could observe his theory.
It wasn't a mechanism. He could specify no method by which INFORMATION was being passed on. He asked people like you to take it on FAITH that somehow the traits of the parents were passed to the children. Remember this was even before Mendel's experiments.

You are the adherent of a religion. Does it bother you?

Anyone who can't understand evolution needs to learn some chemistry, biology, and understand what 4 billion years looks like.

>I said dark energy not dark matter. And how do you know dark energy can be tested by theoretical future technology?

dark energy can be tested for except for the *SCALE* of our apparatus', and distances required

only a matter of scale, no new physics or engineering needed


just a matter of size

>It's worth your time to hear the other side.

It really isn't. As posted earlier, even if God himself came down and explained it personally to me how he created various species, it would have little bearing on my life.


>We have LITERALLY be trying to force-evolve fast-breeding species like microbes for decades.
Got any papers on this?

>You might want to read what some of the ID scientist have to say about the whale-evolution fossils.
And this?

Cause my sources tell me exactly the opposite.

>How long have we tried? Decades?
>Call me in a few thousand, better million years.
The problem with appealing to deep time is you make the mechanism unfalsifiable. Yet you claim ID is unfalsifiable.

>I listened to Jordan Peterson once and now I think I can sound a lot smarter by using his terms in every wrong way imaginable.

You ARE worse than gibberish. Start by understanding what you're saying before saying this completely unconnected retarded bullshit. Stop telling things of which you know they are not true, fucking goddammit.

it's complicated therefore it must have been GOD.
fucking muslim logic

>It really isn't

sun tzu: know your enemy

It's one of the biggest red pills yes.

Physics is God's programming language that he used to create the universe. DNA is a library.

Only nigger cattle can't understand this.

>Dna is just computer code
It's a computer code so complex that we can't make anything even remotely like it. Darwinists like to pretend they understand all about it when they don't know shit. Remember when Dawkins said that our junk DNA was proof of evolution, and then about a year later a group proved that we don't HAVE any junk DNA? But just because he was massively disproved, that didn't make him pause to reevaluate. He is staunch in his FAITH.

Is believing in elves red pilled?

>Anyone who can't understand evolution needs to learn some chemistry, biology, and understand what 4 billion years looks like.
This is not an argument.

>Yet you claim ID is unfalsifiable.

Sort of. At least the religious kind. If life on Earth was engineered by spooky Mars men, there'd probably be some way to check that hypothesis. In practical terms (as of now) it's out of our reach.

Debunked where and when? That's a really cool source you have pal

>fucking muslim logic
That is not an argument.

>Darwinists like to pretend they understand all about it when they don't know shit

How arrogant of them to think they know everything -- unlike Creationists who claim to know... everything.

over literally billions of years with incremental change, do your own homework, it takes a bit of time to understand biology. you can't just shitpost and expect to learn anything from that.

So you've observed something be created over billions of years have you?

Why can't we have been created by God, just not in 7 days, but in 14 billion years? To me, the creation of our sun, and planet over billions of years, and the fact that our DNA and every part of our body comes from dying stars, is more of a testament to the almighty power of God then some book translated 720 times and passed through the hands of some of the most corrupt forms of thought control in human history, including the butt fucking greeks.

I was an atheist before taking more chem/bio classes

really activated my almonds, seems more plausible now to me t b h though I'm still not sure