Why can't everyone just acknowledge that 95% of German soldiers just did their duty

Just like in the British military, the Soviet military, hell I even say 90% of the French and US soldiers just did their duty.

A soldier takes orders, orders come from superiors, who get them from politicians. It is the case everywhere.

Now, the camps are a different matter, the camps were a political thing and it is very dishonorable and evil to kill unarmed civilians or unarmed POWs.

But when it comes to the actions at the front, it was war, Germany should be allowed to honor its fallen soldiers, instead of having to apologize for them.

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>Complains about historical accuracy in WW2 movie
>Blumenthal

Is there live action shots of WWII aircraft in that or is it all CGI bullshit?

Next time OP I'd go with

>SS weren't real Germans. They were brainwashed by nazi scientists

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You can be National Socialist and still recognize German atrocities. SS was full of fanatics, fanatics who knew what they were doing.

Are you not allowed to honor fallen soldiers...? I thought it was just the Nazi stuff that's outlawed.

Poor kike couldnt jerk off to dead Germans what a pity.

No CGI. They flew actual spitfires (although the 109s aren't actual 109s) and even crashed one to get an underwater shot.

>SS weren't real Germans. They were brainwashed by nazi scientists

The SS were Germans. But they were mostly brainwashed. If you went through SS training, you would not just receive military training, but also political training. You know that, right?

German war dead deserves respect and honor

German war crimes don't

>brainwashed
Stop with this meme. There is no such thing as brainwashing.

They crashed a Spitfire? Or a faux 109?

>Fallen Nazi soldiers

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>German war dead deserves respect and honor
>German war crimes don't
Same for all the other armies, right? There isn't one army in WW2 which didn't commit many warcrimes.

>wehrmacht=nazis
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There were many foreigners serving in the SS. Not all were germans. Nevertheless I think they were traitors more or less

>Stop with this meme. There is no such thing as brainwashing.

Look into brain network connectomics. There definitely is "brainwashing", it is essentially a way to repattern your brain. We do it all the time, by the way. You can e.g. become emotionally cold even to hard stimulus of brutality. Same with masturbation and porn, if you consume it regularly, it takes weeks or months to get a normal sex life back (if it works at all).

The Nazis launched a war of aggression against the entire world with the help of the slants. Tens of millions died because of what they did. If you believe in personal responsibility, you can't hold the soldiers guilt-free.

If the US invaded Canada, and slaughtered millions while putting millions more of it's own US citizens in death camps, I wouldn't respect the US soldiers involved either. Following orders is not an excuse for any and every atrocity. Was a german foot soldier as responsible as Hitler? Of course not. But he is responsible.

But because a lot of people hate Jews here, you will likely get many who will agree with you.

>The Nazis launched a war of aggression against the entire world with the help of the slants.
And there I thought it was Britain and France which declared war on Germany. But what do I know.

>If the US invaded Canada, and slaughtered millions while putting millions more of it's own US citizens in death camps, I wouldn't respect the US soldiers involved either.
And that is because the common US soldier is to blame for the politicians who make decisions based on how they view the world?

Guess what, war was inevitable in the 1930s. Stalin was gearing up for war (look into the Finnish winter war), Brits were gearing up, France was gearing up, Japan was, China was... only Americans weren't.

Hello nupol

Are you implying with those digits that there are no fallen Nazi soldiers???

You're right Hans, it was a brutal war. Nobody's innocent. I feel bad knowing you got the brunt of the blame. But remember Americans were the ones who strengthened the west German military in the 50s, so you guys could fight commies. To do that we laxed restrictions on nazi paraphernalia in the Bundeswehr and pushed the idea of Clean Wehrmacht

>And that is because the common US soldier is to blame for the politicians who make decisions based on how they view the world?

If they choose to follow immoral orders, then yes.

I can only imagine being this butthurt about losing 70 years after the fact.

Don't start a war you can't win, Kraut.

Gotta be honest with you: would like to see the world where Hitlar never attacked the soviets. Pretty sure he could have wreck frogger and english leftovers in Africa and get Indochina secured with the help of Japs.

>Don't start a war you can't win, Kraut.

We might have lost, but darn well, anyone back then would have told you that in 1939 and in 1940 and even in 1941 and maybe 1942, Germany could have won the war.

You are talking with 20/20 perfect hindsight here.

Everyone who believes Russia hacked the US election is brainwashed.

>If they choose to follow immoral orders, then yes.
You cannot "choose" to follow orders. Show me a single soldiers who "chose" to follow orders. Either you follow it, or you are shot after a brief court marshal. Everyone knows that.

>would like to see the world where Hitlar never attacked the soviets.
Ivan, you know as well as I do, if Hitler never attacked the Soviet Union, Stalin would have attacked Germany. It was written. There was no way out of this war.

Maybe you'd get more sympathy if you weren't trying to ruin Europe again.

No, they're just faggots with an agenda or wrong.

Stalin was going to attack Europe anyway.

In WW2 Germany did nothing wrong. Now, Germany does only wrong. Honor your fallen by having a nation worth dying for.

Neither. That was a rumor that got started like a year ago. Nolan even said in an interview that the crashed planes were models, and how he wouldn't even think of crashing an original

>and how he wouldn't even think of crashing an original
Why is that? It would mean he actually cares about authenticity. Nobody needs those Spitfires now anyway, they are obsolete.

kikes are angry that the movie didnt portray the nazis as evil or mention le worst man ever hitler. it was just about a bunch of white soldiers trying to survive and their patriotic country men coming to their aid.

no mention of the holohoax or "german atrocities"

winston churchill is actually the most evil man of the 20th century. he sold out his country and his people for the kikes. he's probably the 4th traitor in the 9th circle of hell.

>again

Didn't some fucknugget complain that there weren't enough niggers and women in the Dunkirk movie?

I mean that pretty much says it all, innit.

>Maybe you'd get more sympathy if you weren't trying to ruin Europe again.
Maybe you Brits should have stood and fought at Dunkirk, than retreat. Brave men would have done that.

The Holocaust never happened holy fuck this thread just shows the utter state of what Sup Forums has become.

Only about 30% in the SS where actually German.
Then you got the French, Norwegians, Russians, Poles, Latvians, Flemish, Spaniards etc.

fucking well said!

>The Holocaust never happened
5.8 million Jews died in camps, another 5 million Poles, gypsies, Russian POWs etc. died in the camps.

Does Christopher Nolan's Dunkirk ignore the role of the Indian army?

>According to one account, India also provided more than 2,500 mules

Why didn't Christopher Nolan have scenes about Indian mules?

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>It would mean he actually cares about authenticity

Using Spitfires for historical accuracy is 100% authentic whether they're CGI, fake models, or originals because it's a fucking movie. They didn't shoot and kill a bunch of real life soldiers in the movie either because it doesn't need to be literally real to be authentical accurate.

But we do acknowledge that. That's the only reason we can now somewhat live peacefully next to each other, without considering you mortal enemies anymore.

>There is no such thing as brainwashing.
Oh you, I remember when I didn't know anything.

>Why is that? It would mean he actually cares about authenticity. Nobody needs those Spitfires now anyway, they are obsolete.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Hahaha oh boy the numbers getting bigger there Hans!

>ze maschine ist obsolete, hans
>get rid ov it ve dont need it anymore
>vat do you mean, historical value?
>vat do you mean, relic of the past
>tear it apart and sell the parts for scrap, at once

all order followers are scum

You aren't completely wrong, but you need to realize that ANY military training consists of brainwashing. To make a person an usable soldier, they need to take civilians for whom taking a life is usually the greatest form of unforgivable sin and concince them - brainwash them - that it's ok to take for the sake of politics or other imaginary values.

Oy vey, where are the Jews and niggers goyim!

So if I prepare myself by reading the Gulag Archipelago to prepare for the coming future I'm "brainwashing" myself?

Heil

>>vat do you mean, historical value?
>>vat do you mean, relic of the past
Yes, what do you mean by this shit. You got pictures to remember those inferior shit.

Is there actually any evidence the Germans committed war crimes? Or is it just the old meme?

>Gulag Archipelago
Read a day in the life of ivan denisovich instead. Shorter and more to the point of what is coming.

No soldier would disagree with this

>Is there actually any evidence the Germans committed war crimes?
The German army committed war crimes in the Soviet Union by killing unarmed POW as well as partially being complicit in the killing of civilians. Then there were war crimes against Balkans and Greeks. Also committed by the army and the SS.

>Why can't everyone just acknowledge that 95% of German soldiers just did their duty
that's actually most people's public opinion here. must be sad to live in cucked germanistan

>killing unarmed POW as well as partially being complicit in the killing of civilians.

that means every side committed war crimes

That's what happens when you lose the propaganda war as well as the actual war; history is completely one-sided.

It's strange how the only socially accepted viewpoint regarding WW2 is that every single German was a monster and every ally was a saint.

no death camps
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Blumenthal

>that means every side committed war crimes
Yes, that is correct.

Germany declared war on Poland, knowing that Britain and France would retaliate.

It was the german ambassadors who told Chamberlain they were now at war, following the invasion.

>must be sad to live in cucked germanistan
I do not think it is any different in Austria.

This. Germany was nearly unstoppable.

>Nazis were evil monsters
>Movie wasn't bloody enough
mfw

>they need to take civilians for whom taking a life is usually the greatest form of unforgivable sin and concince them - brainwash them - that it's ok to take for the sake of politics or other imaginary values.
That's where a lot of the ptsd comes from.

>I do not think it is any different in Austria.
It is where I live at least. Can't speak for Vienna though

>Germany declared war on Poland, knowing that Britain and France would retaliate.
And yet all historical records show that Hitler thought Britain and France would not declare war over Poland. Britain and France had made the same thread about Czechia and Slovakia and did not follow through.

Half of Prussia was in Poland at the time. It was only logical to invade Poland.

Also, Hitler was partially right, Britain and France only declared war "on a pro forma basis" in 1939. This is why Dunkirk happened, actually. There was complacency, a phoney war, people were playing cards doing nothing, waiting for politicians to make peace. It was quite a surprise for everyone when Germans made it through the Ardennes in May 1940.

Read up on Churchill's "blood, toil, tears, and sweat" speech in the Commons on 13 May 1940. Nobody at that point thought Germany could actually occupy France.

>Guess what, war was inevitable in the 1930s. Stalin was gearing up for war (look into the Finnish winter war), Brits were gearing up, France was gearing up, Japan was, China was... only Americans weren't.

And yet in 39 and before you decided to invade the countries that weren't any threat to you, didn't consider you an enemy before you decided to become one, and also, in case of Poland, were also mortal enemy of what Germany perceived as the greatest future threat - Soviet Union.

That's just retarded.

Sure.
Even my grandmother who was deported as a communist by the Germans during WW2 agreed the Wehrmacht officers were not bad guys. Now the SS officiers that's another story

>Is there live action shots of WWII aircraft in that or is it all CGI bullshit?

They used real spitfires. The aerial scenes are awesome. They made the chase cams follow so much like the spitfires they were filming, it's beautiful.

>Half of Prussia was in Poland at the time. It was only logical to invade Poland.
Yes Polish land was separating the Reich from Prussia, but it didn't in any way threaten Prussia. As I already mentioned, for pre-war Poland, it was Soviet Union who was considered a real enemy.

It was possible to make traveling and trade between Prussia and the Reich easier, if only you working in that direction by means of diplomacy and not by means of threats and demands.

There was no logic in there, there was just a 80 million population of germans who were so high on their fuhrer's word that they went completely rabid.

>Does Christopher Nolan's Dunkirk ignore the role of the Indian army?

I just skimmed through the British order of battle for Dunkirk. There's no Indian regiments.

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>The German army committed war crimes in the Soviet Union by killing unarmed POW

No they didn't. That was no war crime, only atrocity. There was no legal framework to call it a war crime. The Soviet Union refused to sign the Geneva Convention. Their official stance on POWs was that there was no such thing as a Soviet POW since a true Soviet would fight to the death rather than be captured. The Soviets executed Soviet prisoners they liberated or sent them into the GULAG as traitors.

Both sides did whatever they wanted to POWs and the Soviets are the ones who set the standard. The Soviets murdered 20,000 Polish officers and intelligentsia in the Katyn forest in 1939.

Yet it would be impossible for the modern USA to round up and deport 11illion illegals.

>they need to take civilians for whom taking a life is usually the greatest form of unforgivable sin and concince them - brainwash them - that it's ok to take for the sake of politics or other imaginary values.

I've always considered "brainwash" an odd term because I equate wash with clean, aka get rid of the gunk and garbage and trash. Yet in this case here I find it fitting.

You'll be pleased to know they have nice spot where they are honoured in Glencree up the Wicklow mountains. Probably one of the most beautiful little cemeteries in Ireland. It was an old granite quarry and has stream flowing by it.
Always stop in when I'm touring with my motorbike up there.

The camps were a perfectly legitimate response to german civilians dying in a war started by jews.
"Zum ersten Mal werden nicht andere allein verbluten, sondern zum ersten Mal wird dieses Mal das echt alt-jüdische Gesetz angewendet: Aug um Aug, Zahn um Zahn."

It's not the numbers that are wrong, there's just the common misconception that all/most of those 6~ millions died in gas chambers and then got cremated, whereas majority of them died by diseases, just like those of all other nationalities in the camps. Keep in mind that even the illnesses that even back then normally would be considered "just a cold" will kill you if you're extremely malnourished, weakened and still forced to work in such condition. All that while not receiving any medical care. It is still a genocide since that was all deliberate on camps' administration side.

>And yet in 39 and before you decided to invade the countries that weren't any threat to you, didn't consider you an enemy before you decided to become one, and also, in case of Poland, were also mortal enemy of what Germany perceived as the greatest future threat - Soviet Union.

Poland A. included territory lost by Germany in WW1 and B. was in the way for any future engagement with the SU. There was really no option other than invade.

the daily shoah had good analysis on this movie and its no surprise that a kike is kitvetching about it

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Why are you apologizing for national socialists on this board of all places?
Hitler was a fucking hero and the Nazis were completely in the right. When are you pathetic weasels that remain of your once proud kin gonna stop buying into the allied propaganda they feed to you?

SS forces weren't all german. My friggin uncle was in the Finnish volunteer SS forces (picture related).
The idea that the SS were some uber nazis is pretty much just Allied propaganda.

You should be proud of your ancestors, not cower in shame the first moment your past is brought up.
You were the heroes to countless European peoples fearing the kike led communism that had slaughtered it's way trough Russia. Just because the fucking anglo scum decided to side with the kikes and the commies against your kin, and eventually won the war, does not make your forefathers any less heroic. Hitler and the Nazis uplifted your people from the decadence and degeneracy of Weimar, into proud and unified people once more and freed you of the jewish banking tyranny. For that, the jews wanted you destroyed.

Each and every moment you carry on buying into the allied propaganda about your forefathers, you further enable the ongoing process of your people's subjugation and eventual extermination.
Free yourselves already. When you do, I will gladly fight alongside with you against our mutual enemies, like our forefathers did.

Sieg Heil!

Wow a Jew wanting goy blood... surprised

>Brainwashed
You mean frustrated and depressed because France and Britan has been cucking Germany for atleast 60 years ever since Germany was formed.

Not to mention the war reperation it Germany had to pay France,Britan and it's Allies which caused a major hyper inflation

Not to mention that the jewish banks, and media didn't really get affected by the war as much, Fucking hell the jews and some mentally ill germans were running brothels in Berlin where you could fuck a 12 year old slav girl.

You know what makes people in mass murders? Desperation.

France were fucking shit heads and punished Germany badly. It even stole land form germany when germany couldn't pay.

You say the SS were brainwashed?
No my son, we are the ones who are brain wash.

Germany was the Victim of a centuries old rivalry between France and (the german people) Britan came much later after they fucked Napoleon and "took over" the dutch Colonies.

Just look at Germany from 1920 to 1933... LOOK AT IT AND HOW BAD LIFE WAS.

No wonder they had to elect an passionate autistic edgelord to hur hur about whiping out the jews.

Fucking hell just look at the hapburgs crap, the just flurished and enjoyed sooo many benefits (most likely because they hapburgs were jewish, atleast thats what the conspiracy theories says)

But hey.. "nazi were evil" HUR FUCKING DUR.

No france were fucking retarded jelly frogs.
Bongs were shitting in their beds, and have always been fucking pieces of shit.

And it took fucking 20-30 milion slavs from the east.
And another 5-10 milion from the east to STOP germany.

Who had at best during ww2 3-5 milion soldiers.

What happend to Berlin once it fell under Slavs hands?

Nobody talks about that "because hur dur nazis were evil"
What happend to europe under stalin "hur dur nazis were evil"

Fucking hell we bantz the germans for 6 gorilians, but stalin alone killed maybe 20 milion in gulags, send 30 milion to their deaths to stop the germans, 1.3 milion great purge

Heil Hitler, Hans.

M8, you poles refused every attempt of Germans at diplomatically solving that situation.

>Poland A. included territory lost by Germany
For a reason - they were all polish territories with polish population, despite nearly 150 years of efforts to forcefully germanize them. That claim was just invalid, that territory was not Prussia in anyway, or as you liked to call it - West Prussia. It was called such only for the 150 years you occupied it.

>B. was in the way for any future engagement with the SU.

That's really retarded and makes me begin to think this whole thread is just a bait - damn, I got caught.
If somehow miraculosly it's not, I already told you about the stance of Poland on Soviet Union.

>Now, the camps are a different matter, the camps were a political thing and it is very dishonorable and evil to kill unarmed civilians or unarmed POWs.

Lol, didn't they kill some old guy who was nothing but a janitor at one of the camps awhile back?

13th century, mate. And before.

>National Cuckoldism

Take the red pill and see that all that matters is the white race and not some abstract concepts.

No, we didn't. All the moves on germany's side were basically "do what we want or else".

Look on the date on that plan. It was a smokescreen to make polish and allies' administration busy while germans already had full forces on the borders, waiting for the "go".
Even the points of this plan -- just read it. There's no diplomacy in there, it's again just "do what we want or else". Even the conditions for the vote are set up for Germans to win. Include germans who don't live there and didn't necessarily ever live there, as any papers going that far back into the ww1 chaos could be easily forged, exclude Poles who work in police or are part of permanent military :)

Even if Poland wins(as the document states), Poland has to do what Germany demanded by threats before this plan was published anyway(specifially, points #1 and #8). Really some diplomatic solution, ain't it?

The Soviets were gearing up for war and Hitler knew that. It was probably best that he attacked sooner rather than later, before Stalin managed to get his shit together.

Also have a movie germanon.

derp, how 2 imgage