Lets have a meaningful conversation

This world is so fucked, yet I sit here in complete bliss and examine the beauty. Im listening to some very relaxing music and Im thinking to myself how much I appreciate and value this life of mine. I don't care if this is Sup Forums and I don't care if you think this post has any true value, but Im going to dump my thoughts anyways.

People are so determined to contest their opponents that they forget what side they are really on. It seems people are more thrilled by the experience of shit talking (political or not), than wanting to fully understand why someone may have the views they have.

This country was founded to support a multitude of people spanning across various cultures. Our constitution clearly reasons on the side of "humanity/freedom" and does its best to outline that "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL". That is not to say that some people are complete shit heads, but it is fair to say that not every muslim, jew, gay, black, etc is a bad person.

I think the biggest problem most people have is that they don't have perspective. I grew up in a very wealthy neighborhood where everyone seemed to be in their own bubble. All their views were clearly influenced because of the environment they spent most of their lives in. Why is it that large cities tend to have more "liberal" views compared to those who are more isolated with "conservative" views. Its because those people have a different perspective of understanding.

I was born in Germany (lived there for 5 years before moving) and many of the values I hold stem from my exposure to two different cultures and their interaction with what they have available. I am fortunate enough to be able to visit Europe and family at least every other year.

I'd love for this to be a meaningful thread with meaningful conversations. Although I expect this to turn out badly, I do hope some people are ready to simply discuss what they think to be "the right way of life"

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you sound pretty optimistic except for the bit at the beginning where you say the world is fucked. which bits do you think are fucked?

I should also add that big cities force people to interact with one another. Forced interaction will bring the general population in that area a better understanding of what they interact with, in this case humans. Humans adapt to their environment because they want to fit in. Its very easy to fit in, when the whole general population in your area has the same political mind set as you, this happens quite often in urban/suburban areas. There is no reason to change your mind so why should you? I call this ignorance on the basis that you do not even realize your own ignorance. I mean that I no disrespectful way.

That was my opening liner and I do think it was a bit over-exaturated. In a sense the world is always fucked. In this case, with our current political and social discourse amongst civilians, I do think we have a relatively large issue on hand.

oh
what's the large issue?

wholesome post. this is good. we need more of this.

Specifically though.

1. Healthcare: I think that Health care is huge and should be easily accessible by anyone in the United States. It doesn't matter if you are 50, homeless and dying, you deserve the right to affordable health care because you are human. Many people would argue that they don't work and don't deserve it, but what about all the people that don't work, don't deserve anything, yet still flourish financially at a scale that 99% of the U.S. will never be able to reach. Do they deserve health care anymore than that man?

2. General stress caused by the huge slit between opposing views. All this drama about Trump, (whether good or bad in your eyes) does cause a considerable amount of stress and burdens people in one way or another.

3. Drugs: Drugs are substances just like food, except they react chemically in a way that alters, amongst other things, your conscious state of mind. Some are good for you regardless of their psychoactive effects, others are plain bad for you (such as Heroine). Drugs are not meant for everyone and everyone should not feel inclined to do them. It is the individuals responsibility to make that decision. It is the governments responsibility to inform us what that substance can/may do.

also these are just random things that popped into my head. I have many more things I'd like to talk about, but not spend years typing. If something more important comes up, I will post it.

well fuck. i basically agree with all of this. especially healthcare.
sorry i can't be more interesting conversation :\

4. National policy: I think our National leverage has reduced greatly simply because very few leaders in the "Free World" still support Trump and his administration. If we lose all of our friends, then how are we able to hold are ground when shit hits the fan.

Apart from exclusively examining your life and what is a direct factor to it, you should also look at the bigger picture and understand why certain policies may be useful to the country and its security, while at the same time, not being a benefit to you as an individual

Thoughtful post, OP. Unfortunately in this day in age, we are living under the false guise of happiness. People ae told what they need to be happy, what they have to do in order to be successful. This is the exact opposite of what the framers wanted for this country. Government has gotten it's grip on its people and not letting go. It now relies on us to keep it afloat, and takes not what it needs, but what it wants.
The way you frame healthcare is ideal. Did you know that if you get hurt and go to the hospital, a doctor cannot refuse you care? By law, they must help. However. Relying on a peer based healthcare system in a country that prides itself in independence is a bad idea. That's why the Obama are mandate is failing.
Your national policy is a little odd to me. Imo, since trump was elected nationalism has risen as an acceptable health level. In order for ones nation to succeed, you have to love it.

5. I think taxes should be increased for wealthier families, BUT ONLY IF U.S. citizens see a direct implementation of social services which benefits the majority of the United States (that includes wealthy families as well). It is very true that large portions of our taxes are being washed away irresponsibly, so simply raising taxes would be a difficult way to prove that it does/may help.

I disagree, i am Happy. Not because someone tells me to, but I really am.

If you met me you would consider me a unique individual. I stopped college because I saw what a waste of time it was. So now I study on my own. I worked for the largest company in America for a time, and was an accountant afterwards for a few months. I realized that I hated this job because I wasn't doing what I as a Human being wanted to do.
So I started a business, then another, then another, I work together with my dad now and I am Happy where I am now.

Government handouts never help societies. It may stop the bleeding for a while, but it will leave a giant hole. Giving people incentive to share/donate is the way to go. Having the government say "you make too much money" never works.

Loving a Nation is Step #1 for sure, but from my experience, I don't think people love this country anymore. They love themselves and their views more than anything.

You're an exception, obviously. If you were anything other, you wouldn't be able to have a conversation like this. You are truly a free thinker and belong to this great experiment we call America.

They're taught that this country oppressed the world. The educational system in this country is messed up too. Teachers unions control everything when it comes to the classroom.
Unions in general, imo are bad as well. At least with the power they currently have.

Germany (my very biased opinion, because I was born there) is a perfect example of how socialistic policies work well. If you have ever been there, you will feel amazed at how technologically advanced everything seems, everyone there seems healthier and driven.

I want to puke in your mouth and throat fuck it.

Socialized yes, free, no. In Germany do you have the right to bear arms to protect you and yours? Nope.
Do you have a constitutional right to free speech in germany? No.
Tech wise, yes they are at the top of the game, but only because of the combination of resources they sit on, the end of ww2, and the creation of the EU. I'm not trying to shit on germany, but there are major differences between the two countries.

Happiness is relative though. A poor person might be happy with one meal a day, where as a rich person will be happy when they own a yacht.

I don't like to think of myself as an exception, because I know there are thousands of people with similar thoughts.

Exception meaning that you are able to think freely around all the media outlets trying to literally brainwash you. Ad companies force feeding you information to condition you in the way you think.

I agree, the school system is no good if you want to really be yourself. Our current school system sucks because it focuses on achievement rather than the learning experience. What am I to do with %100 on a math test in my life. I don't even remember the fucking questions on the sheet of paper afterwards.

My ideal school would focus on project implementation and hands on experience. If a kid fails constantly, that means he's not in the right state of mind to focus on it. This does not mean he is a failure, it means he's much better at something else that we do not know of yet.

All men are created equal, but that's just where they start.
Life happens, and some rise above others.

All men are not created equal.
The USA was *not* founded to house a variety of cultures, that image of the USA only became popular after Jews pushed it.

No one says every person in X group is bad. However, we can say that X group is bad. If we can avoid X group, we should.

I want the best for people, I want the best for my country. This is not possible without discrimination. Our country will on the whole be better by removing groups that have a much higher propensity towards problematic and harmful actions. Yes, there is always the individual exception. Policy should not be created around unicorns, but what is the most effective.

Not having certain people live in our country doesn't mean they can't live elsewhere.

Can you honestly look at the events happening around the world and think things are as they should be? We are heading towards something huge happening. Whether it's good or bad, something big is around the corner.

I don't believe (all) people have a right to health care because health care requires the skill, time, and effort of others. Why does the rapist deserve this? Why does the person who ate themselves to death *deserve* this?

Trade schools are needed more than ever. Kids don't realize how much cheaper it is to go to a trade school, pick up a trade, (carpentry, electrician, plumber) and after a few years of apprenticeship, they'd be earning more than most college grads.

It's a shame that thinking this way gives you the racist stamp. It's literally how every great nation worked in the history of civilization

I agree whole heartedly. Life is as it is, and some people do take advantage. My point although is that we do have rules and regulations that we accept for the most part. I'm trying to conceptualize ways that would benefit everyone for the most part.

The fact is we do live together, all 7-8 billion of us. Whether we see ourselves as capable beings or not, we should certainly push for a mutual agreement that suites the majority.

I also realize that culture, religion, and geo graphic location, amongst other things, are huge influencers to how a person will act towards other people.

I mean if you have a criminal record, I'm sure that would play against you in some way.

Identity Politics didn't come from "French Marxists" - that's just right wing propaganda. It came from South Carolina and specifically a Black Lesbian Feminist named Barbara Smith and her project; The Combahee River Collective... a collective that had nothing to do with The Frankfurt School or "Cultural Marxism".

Cultural Marxism was The Frankfurt School's critique of The Culture Industry. It was an anti-propaganda effort; calling out mass media manipulations of culture for profit (they were basically anti-clickbait, and anti-corporate PR)... and no, The Frankfurt School weren't trying to take over or destroy western civilization by critiquing The Culture Industry's control of Culture; they'd already seen the rise of Hitler and the destruction that followed. They didn't want to see anything like that happen again.

In the 1930s, 40s and 50s, it wasn't "politically correct" for women to wear pants or vote. Does that mean they were under a politically correct regime of Cultural Marxism back then? No. It just means society's values change over time - which is to be expected.

all men are created equal for the most part. The difference is where some of us end up. When I say created equal, at a physical level, humans are the same.

That being said, I understand that someone who is homeless and someone who is a billionaire, both have the same necessities for life. My point is that people forget what they really are once they lose themselves to things like money and power.

Geologists and Archaeologists are already debating establishment of a new geologic period, called the "Anthropocene"
It's supposed to start in the 1940s.
The previous period, the Holocene, started 11,000 years ago with the rise of agriculture.
And the period before that, the Pleistocene lasted over 2,5 million years.

You take a look at the acceleration and that gives an indication of the fate towards which we're heading.
I mean, one shudders to think when the next geologic period will start.

that is not to say I don't like money and power :)

Its impssible to unite the whole planet into one society. Not only culture and religion are boundaries. Nationalism is a major issue that humanity will have to deal with down the road. Eventually we will reach a point, probably after a world war, where a single nation Wil gain control of the entire planet. Even after that, it would probably take generations to homogenize the he whole world.

The goal of life shouldn't be "be exposed to so many different modes and methods of living that you are constantly reevaluating your view," it should be live in harmony with your people and your lineage.
As such I advocate for people to get out of the cities and homestead with a small community.
You over-evaluate "other views." Who cares, honestly? There's a lot of "views" out there. What's given to me was Christianity, and I can see that liven well it can provide a nice life. It's not wrong to want to be among people whom share these views, as I would be remiss to mash Muslims and Sikhs together so they can "just learn from each other man."

Oh no, I do not assume that thats even remotely possible, because its not. Countries exist for a very obvious reason, people have differences and hate each other, its in our nature. Im thinking on a more metaphysical level when I talk about human beings as a whole.

> No. It just means society's values change over time - which is to be expected.

Don't peddle this bullshit. How you can you say that cultural features (like "values") exist or come to be naturally right after saying that culture is an "industry", an artificial construct. They who are in charge know this fact (that culture is manufactured) and they're just producing what they believe will steer society in their desired direction.

When the bullshit that gets put out aligns with your beliefs and preferences it's "natural", but when it doesn't it's oppressive and synthetic.

and I support you my friend. you do what makes you happy. But don't let that be the reason why you don't understand something in the future.

i was just pointing out that the people who live there are forced to see why someone may act/think the way they do.

>Identity Politics

its was a default position pre-modernism.

>The Frankfurt School weren't trying to take over or destroy western civilization by critiquing The Culture Industry's control of Culture

Adorno had some merit about his bourgaisse position and the destruction of high culture, but in the end he was a team player and positioned himself just as expected. Whole FS is dishonest and evil. I havent even started on Marcusa.

Sup Forums is always right, get aids dishonest leftypol niggerfaggot.

Stop please, no shit talking here.

You cant rely on these guys though. The paradigm of when civilization started is difficult to figure out. We have evidence that modern man has existed for tens of thousands of years. If it only took us (civilization after the he ice age) 12 thosand years to get to where we are today, what prevented men in the past? What if there was a whole global civilization that's buried under hundreds of meters of dirt? Or leagues underwater?

At a physical level, humans are not the same. Slight differences matter so much more than you could ever think, because all of us together being just slightly better can create a society where a lesser group will *never* thrive. It's just out of their reach.

The difference between a giraffe thats 1 inch short or 1 inch taller can be the difference between life and death, depending on the trees he is surrounded by. We as people shape the world around us. A world shaped by people a little better, is just out of reach of the lesser, despite the seemingly small gaps.

For sure, I can agree with that, but I think it should be left to the individual how far they want to pursue an understanding of other cultures, not forced proximity.

I'll contribute something.

One thing I find comical about people judging other peoples' political orientation is the idea that a person's political sway is determined by intelligence. Often you will hear some bleeding-heart liberal say "Oh how could those conservatives be so stupid to not support gay marriage" or you will hear some blue-collar mechanic from Georgia say "Those liberals are so stupid to believe that socialist policies would work."

It is my firm belief that a person's political orientation is determined by their value systems (what is sacred v. profane, good v. evil) and not at all intelligence. Furthermore, someone's value system is determined by their material and spiritual worldview, life experiences, and life goals. A white-collar father of three in a suburb of Atlanta would value things such as his family, church, and community and would want the government to be responsible with its finances to ensure a future for posterity. Conversely, a 20-something bohemian living in San Francisco with no immediate family and hatred towards successful individuals would value authoritarian state policies which seek to redistribute wealth in order to achieve "fairness," with little regard for the well-being of future generations.

In short, value systems are completely arbitrary, and these systems influence a person's political orientation.

I'll add I guess the point is moot when we already have forced proximity. It's nice of you to focus on some possible positives, though.

He's right, you know. Things appear to us the way the elites want us to see them. It's been happening since the start of time.
To the Victor goes the spoils, and the history books

>healthcare
The united states enforces no law forbidding a licensed doctor to perform medicine on you. What you want isn't "access", what you want is FREE healthcare.
>you deserve the right to affordable health care because you are human
From whom? Who owes you this healthcare? I don't owe you shit, my boss doesn't owe you shit. The doctor doesn't owe you shit, even if you have the money, he can have moral objections. Nobody OWES you healthcare. The doctor DECIDES to perform medicine for money. THAT is freedom.

>All this drama about Trump, (whether good or bad in your eyes) does cause a considerable amount of stress and burdens people in one way or another.
What a defeatist pile of puerile piss. I hope this is just weak shitposting from a bored troll.

>Some are good for you regardless of their psychoactive effects, others are plain bad for you (such as Heroine).
Morphine helped my grandmother get through the day up until she died two nights ago. Without it, she was in constant, brutal agony. Drugs are consumable tools. A tool isn't good or bad, its just a tool.

he uses exact vague speak like adorno did. Nasty, nasty people those leftists...

notice also the term "critical theory"...semantically it doesnt mean anything.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZJmEMeY6KVs

straigh and honest speak is not a virtue of leftist weasels.

dinohoax

No. Intelligence directly correlates with political ideals. Just like how ones intelligence affects everything they do, think, or say

I think you are dead on. The question now is, how does the "opposing" (simply against that value) side work around it to come to a mutual agreement.

Cmon OP. I thought you were smart

>Be OP
>Make condescending post chastising us in advance for supposed racism
>Completely gloss over any actual reasons for racism
>Attribute it all to perspective
>Wealthy Bubble$ Y'all!!
>Get on my level plebs don't be meaningless

The right way of life is recognizing it for what it is. Which is primarily a struggle for survival & all other human activity & expression extends from that. Our ability to transcend limitations is what defines our worth. The less of struggle you experience in life, the less worthy you are of that life. Your wealth doesn't entitle you to presume to educate anyone else about our "perspectives". Your comfort is an illusion. I wish you well in your endeavors & hope you're doing some tangible good with your life instead of shitposting all day like some kind of cream-fed faggot.

I'm pretty sure a bit part of the answer why civilization didn't develop earlier is the climate.
When you take a look at temperature changes during the last glacial cycle, the strong and rapid oscillations are readily apparent.
With huge temperature changes like that, the geographical distribution of areas with suitable temperature and precipitation to conduct agriculture is going to constantly shift around, providing little opportunity for long-term planning.

Compare that to the Holocene (the more or less horizontal line on the left), which has not only remarkably stable temperature (allowing for agriculture to develop) but also an incredibly stable sea level (making coastal settlement and thereby commerce possible).

hmm, let me rephrase that. I think values are the main reason. Intelligence assists in the process of understanding why you think that.

oh and also, I know more than a few highly intelligent people who are complete narcissistic shit heads. So I don't think intelligence is the main reason.

It's not like the whole world was covered in ice during the last ice age. Most of the land near the equator was suitable for civilization to grow. There is actually proof of this, if you believe in the "fingerprint theory". The theory relates to megalithic sites around the world that share the same construction techniques, including places like giza, machu piccu and puma punku.

>People are so determined to contest their opponents that they forget what side they are really on. It seems people are more thrilled by the experience of shit talking (political or not), than wanting to fully understand why someone may have the views they have.
Reality is a matter of perspective change perspective change reality, ie all points of view are valid and true the question is what point of view is most useful. If you do not look at a question or come to a philosophic principle without looking at many perspectives then your an idiot and should not be listened to no matter what.

>This country was founded to support a multitude of people spanning across various cultures.
Yea no it was not, it was founded on puritain culture, but they where used to being discriminated against that's why they left England and wanted to make a better gov based on the past 1000 years of history in Europe.

>but it is fair to say that not every muslim, jew, gay, black, etc is a bad person.

Um yea everyone here is familiar with he fucking bell curve, but when the vast majority are shit then changes got to be made. What those changes may be are debatable.

>I think the biggest problem most people have is that they don't have perspective. I grew up in a very wealthy neighborhood where everyone seemed to be in their own bubble
Dude seriously everyone here from the west has been through the indoctrination centers that they call school these days, no one here was raised into the philosophy they hold now here on Sup Forums.

>Muh culture

Listen when a people move to a country and maintain their language/culture they are not immigrating they are colonizing. You wanna be a fucking cuck suit yourself.


Overall your thoughts are fucking shit and you should keep em to yourself.

>correlates
Source?

Still, I think you can find high-IQ communists and low-Iq libertarians, or low-Iq communists and high-iq libertarians in society. Objective intelligence does not accurately determine where somebody will fall along the political grid/spectrum.

"the right way of life" is your way of life. My reasoning may be completely different than yours. I grew up entirely different than you did. Ironic isn't it.

Is that the Graham Hancock idea?

Political Belief: an opinion on where tax money could be better spent, usually coloured by your own socioeconomic status.

>1. Healthcare: I think that Health care is huge and should be easily accessible by anyone in the United States.

If it's any measure, the NHS costs £140bn a year for the UK (pop ~70million). No matter how much money we throw at certain Trusts they always fail, largely because of (a) institutional theft dressed up as "agency staff" or "administrative consultants" (b) massive, sudden economic immigration to the area, making certain hospitals suddenly face ten times the workload of others.

The NHS "works" if you (a) have something specific wrong with you: you are moved to a specialist hospital up and down the country to be treated by experts (b) don't live in a high immigration (ie economically prosperous) area. Ironically the North East arguably has the best healthcare in the country because the workload matches the hospital specs.

The point being: expect taxes, lots and lots of taxes if you expect to match even the adequate levels of general healthcare on demand available in the UK, and also it's a postcode lottery even if you spend all of your tax money on it.
>it is fair to say that not every muslim, jew, gay, black, etc is a bad person.
Yeah? Nobody has ever opinioned that. Not even the cross burning dudes. The issue there is one of uneven IQ distribution. Peoples with an average IQ of 85 cannot function in a society geared towards 100 IQ norms. Hence America's nigger problem.

>intelligent
>narcissist
A narcissistic person believes what they say regardless if they have the proof. An intelligent person uses proof to back up what they say.
Personal values are also based off of one's intelligence. A smart person isn't going to base their values off of something they don't know

OP here, I really do appreciate everyones response, this is as much of a learning experience for me than it is for you. I get that everyone here has different values and may disagree with me quite heavily, but I'm here to have a discussion, not talk shit.

Not his specifically, but more refined, yes

ok. intelligence is measured in many different ways. A person who goes to Harvard and studies for 8 years, graduates with honors and gets a high paying job is not necessarily more intelligent than a musician who is able to create beautiful work.

As time passes, "intelligence" and "values" will contribute to the progression of one another. That is without a doubt. All I'm saying is I think your values determine your actions.

NO.

There is only one right way of life. Struggle & survival. Your opinions are not facts. Your reasoning is flawed. And you don't know how I grew up, do you?

Your self-hating deconstructionism is so narrow as to not allow you be anything other than a bundle of assumptions & best guesses. Your immediate recourse to your social caste in every argument only goes to highlight your incredible deficit of self-esteem & confidence - and like the juvenile you most likely are, you cannot understand this about yourself so you enthrone it as "civilized conversation" & have the balls to expect anyone to ever take you serious.

You have no power here.

psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201305/intelligence-and-politics-have-complex-relationship
>higher intelligence is associated with avoidance of extreme political views in general

Where do you get your values from? Family, friends. How do you interpret those values? With your intelligence. If you aren't smart, you'll have bad values. How hard is that to understand?

ill be honest, I don't give a shit about you (and I seriously mean that in no offense). but I recognize that you exist and are presumably going through tough times (maybe you did in the past). Those things that happened to you formed your world view, which happens to be different than mine.

You are the only person that know how you think, and vice versa. you do not know how I think, other than the words that I type.

This is spot on. The differences in political ideology are about the differences in our ideals and perception of the nature of humanity.

Yeah, the problem with that statement is that the author does not consider Left Wing insanity to be "extreme".

It's my experience that average people totally ignore politics altogether. They sensibly tune it out, reasoning that if they could change any of it, the government would make the process of doing so illegal overnight.

I'm not super knowledgeable about this (because I'm not that interested in archaeology) but what always struck me as incredibly convenient about that explanation is that all direct evidence for this earlier advanced civilization is supposed to be erased by an unspecified "global cataclysm".
It's convenient because it basically absolves the people who hold to this view to actually present actual evidence for this civilization and instead go around the globe, pick out little anomalous factoids and connect them that way.

That's why this explanation is barely scientific (since it doesn't present anything concrete to connect the sites that you mentioned besides their "anomalousness").

I say 'barely' because I don't think it's 100% worthless. The one point that seems to me worth following up on is Göbekli Tepe.

What he's saying is that everything that we're talking about, at the end of the day, means nothing. Which is true. If you can outlive your competition, you win the game of life

Ive gone through my won struggles, for example there was a period in my life where I had a brain tumor. I straight up thought I was going to die. 3 months later, My mom died. This all happened at the worst point in my life. I mid way through school and had a lot going for me. Those few events fucked the vision I had for my future. but I adapted and I learned from it. I did not hate myself or loathe. I stood up and faced reality.

In the end, I still got what I wanted out of life.

Why don't you remove some ribs so you can better suck yourself?

Objectively, what improves survival is the best way to live. You cannot enjoy being a good person while dead.

To you my existence in the end means nothing. I understand. But I live my life and I give it meaning. It is very important to me that I "win" at life, and I do that in my own way. Sure theres struggle and sure I try to survive. But I live in a society where as long as I keep myself up, it will support my basic necessities to life. In which case, my life does not focus on survival and struggle the way that you may see it.

The global cataclysm is written in every religious text. A flood. Religions all over the world believed that a flood wiped out the last "world" or "age". How could this happen? There is scientific data supporting the theory that a meteor hit the glaciers above north america during the ice age, causing millions of tons of water to flood the earth. Look up the younger dryas comet theory.
There is a dating technique for rock now. It measures the amount of radiation on the face of a stone. Meaning that feasibly we can date quarried stone, and find out the exact date they were quarried.

You just get repeating the same thing over & over. Assumptions, guesses, self-justifying mantras. Your philosophy is paper-thin. Your undernourished ego won't allow you to accept objective truth & so your only recourse is appealing to subjective realities.

So far you have yet to engage any of the things I've said in response to your OP eg: struggle, survival & the implications of ones exposure to that being the only true way to see the world & life all else being objectively false.

Please don't remind me for a 4th time that our opinions are each unique & different. They are not. Just respond to the fucking subject which YOU brought up in the first place.

right, but you can enjoy being a good person (in my own eyes) when your alive, and thats why.

Just because different experiences shape people to have different values, does not mean all values are equal.

youtube.com/watch?v=PcTEMZ_1qbA

Your assumptions bore me. Everyone dreams of having their "perfect life".

My thoughts are different than yours. The subject I brought up was inherently changed by people like you in this thread.

My point is that just because your life sucks, doesn't mean I have to attempt to feel the same as you. At a basic level, every organisms only challenge is to reproduce and survive. But once you get to a much larger scale (that of a human body) it becomes difficult to pinpoint certain objectives that are required to fulfill the meaning to life.

I'm aware about all of that.
That might answer the type of cataclysm, but it doesn't challenge what I said about the merits of the explanation itself, does it?

It's still incredibly convenient to say that all direct evidence was destroyed by this flood. It also makes the hypothesis effectively unfalsifiable (and therefore unscientific).
Or do you know a way one could theoretically debunk this explanation?

>subjective realities
C L I C K E D

theres a difference to dreaming and doing. When I want something I go for it.

In my defense, You actually never asked me a question.

If only pol could have threads like these more often. People disagreeing but in a civil manner. Explaining beliefs without the obligatory "shill" comment.

But I agree with your basic premise, reason and intuition are primarily shaped by your experiences which means that only you will reason and intuit things like yourself. The problem is were soo focused on our ideas "winning" that we forget that we steamrolling others. Survival is important but unless you're an absolute narcissist or nihilist then you probably care about the future after you're long gone. (i.e. all of these white genocide threads). I personally believe we as a society should learn how to compromise and communicate with one other better.

It would depend. In today's civilization, we cherish written information, we there it be on paper or email. What if this past civilization didn't rely on written information? What if they had no written language at all, and only used verbal communication and storytelling to pass their history down? It would surely explain all of the anecdotes of a "past civilization" by nearly all religions on the planet. The evidence might not be scientific (i.e. measurements, data). The evidence is the story. Years ago people thought the city of Troy was a myth. An archeologist (forgot his name) followed Platos writings like a map, and found the real city of Troy. If one myth was proven to be true, it would be wrong to assume all the other myths are just stories

just so you all know, all of my posts are up for interpretation and debate. You don't have to agree with me if your part of this conversation, but I do expect you to try and understand why I may think like that.

The human species as of now, is incapable of thinking "for the species". We're more worried about our nation's survival. We're more worried about "who's gonna pay for my sex change?"

And my point is that your comfortable, non-threatening, abstract little existence is going to continue to leave your questions unanswered & your life unfulfilled.

You can posture bravely & rub your luck in the faces of everyone around you but ultimately you're powerless. You implicitly understand this & like every farmed animal, you're resigned to your fate & as long as you can continue to chew your cud you will continue to inexorably walk step-by-step to the slaughterhouse. And if any of us tries to warn you, you just MOO in our direction & shit on your own feet.

Whatever my dude. You're not here for discussion. You're here for validation. Validation without having earned it. You keep saying my life sucks but truth is I'd hate to be in your position. You can have it all, kid. You can even sell your soul if you wanna, but I ain't buying it.

Stop taking so many opiates you doof.

aha, so wouldn't it be fair to say that survival and struggle are much less of a consideration to take in comparatively.

none taken.

sure, it's completely possible that this is true.
But notice something about your own example:
For Troy to make the jump from myth to archaeological reality, the city had to actually be discovered, dated, artifacts recovered and so on.
It was completely reasonable for archaeologists to think Troy was a myth, until any actual physical evidence was uncovered.

Same goes for this hypothetical fingerprint civilization - as long as no physical evidence is forthcoming and the entire hypothesis has no predictive capabilites, it's completely reasonable for archaeologists to reject it as an explanation.