Sup Forums is an interesting board because everyone is free to say whatever, however, sometimes someone says something sufficiently provocative that honest mental effort spews fourth exposing the fact that almost all of you are retards, and incapable of solving serious problems. Part of this is excusable due to Sup Forums's design, and part is attributable to the fact that most of you are actual retards (many indeed attending to this site for the sole purpose of discrediting it with their retardation, even).
Today Sup Forums has an existential problem to solve. If we get it wrong, we may find ourselves quite suddenly returned to the Stone Age.
The North Korean ICBMs don't need to hit a particular city. They are firing them 'up' for a very specific reason. They are intended to carry a high yield neutron bomb and detonate hundreds of kilometres above the continent, bathing the ground in 25,000volts per square yard - they create a gamma ray burst that destroys all circuitry below - continent-wide.
North Korea can now send the USA back to the Stone Age. If there is a way to help Trump peacefully resolve this situation, it is by the populace - indeed, his base - raising the bar on its historical understanding of the Korean penninsula. Fully comprehend what North Korea is (a monarchy) and why North Korea hates the USA (when was Korea last not at war from the genocidal intentions of outsiders (1910) and of those 107 years, how many of them were not rendered miserable as the result of US policy?
No one will stop you from saying dumb shit and getting it completely wrong, just as no one will stop you from killing yourself, but if we want to undo this mess, we need to comprehend the origin of the problem.
On the encouragement of T Roosevelt, the Japanese invaded Korea and killed millions of people, stole endless artifacts, cut off people's ears and noses and banned their language. The League of Nations stood by the legality of the Japanese Invasion, obstructing and dismissing Korean appeals. Far from liberating the Koreans after the Second World War, the US dropped more bombs and napalm on Korea than it has in all wars since. Every structure was reduced to dust and when pilots ran out of women and children to bomb, they used cows as target practice.
Today, it's time to get serious about the American history of aggression toward Koreans, and recognize that everything Americans assume themselves superior for, Koreans are likely capable of doing better, including the second amendment.
Evan Gonzalez
kys >in all fields
Sebastian Roberts
Interesting how no one in range is replying.
Joshua Wood
You're living by the golden rule I see.
Henry Mitchell
You're trying to say they have the ability to make a bomb that will deliver 25k volts per square yard, when detonated "hundreds of kilometers" above us....that's such a load of impossible bs hahahaha.
Jackson Gray
Congrats on your Darwin Award!
Jackson Foster
Why would you assume that North Korea, out of all places, has a neutron bomb? That isn't exactly publicly known technology, much less publicly available.
Julian Roberts
>implying our nukes aren't hardened against EMP since the fucking cold war.
It would be suicide. We would nuke them into dust the second we figured out where it was headed.
Luis Torres
Nuke the Norks
Easton Adams
A neutron bomb creates a GRB. A GRB can do exactly what I describe. Sorry retard, to have to bring you up to speed with what was known to all astronomers decades before you were born.
Dylan Rodriguez
Fuck it brah, death is just another part of life
Adam Bailey
The US congress has been publicly advised that most military installations are not sufficiently hardened against a super-EMP. They have also been informed by the Russians that the Norks have the tech.
Isaiah Kelly
Even if N. Korea did roast all of the mainland electronics that doesn't solve the issue of the nuclear missile submarines we probably have had parked off their coast for the past few decades. We could turn them to ash even if they did manage to cripple mainland USA in a EMP attack. Sure it would cripple us for a short time but we would pull through it and a few years from now you would never know it ever happened. But North Korea would be gone.
Brandon Flores
How long can you live without refrigeration? Do you have a model t to drive around in?
Samuel Bell
This inclination would be more inclined by the Clinton as an end all to stop the populace from attacking them when shit REALLY hits the fans.
Bentley Flores
North Korea has more submarines than the states. North Korea has the largest sub fleet on earth, and can lid bombs the size of big Ivan in them.
Nicholas Gutierrez
How would you contact these submarines after an EMP attack?
Carter Morales
Find the origin to what fucking problem, the origin of hate for US how about world war 2 and the Vietnam war, or its general power it holds over other nations or the origin of human hate in general i don't know since we was a species.
Oliver Reyes
The current estimate is that the US would take more than two years to rebuild a functional communications and electrical infrastructure. Can you survive for 2 years? When the US is toast, what do you think will happen to the rest of the world. No one wins!
Jayden Morris
surely such proofs dont exist!
Robert Ortiz
>North Korea has more submarines than the states
More doesn't mean better. And it isn't like the missile subs need to be right on the coast. They have a range of thousands of miles. They just need to be somewhere within the general vicinity on the globe to be in range.
>and can lid bombs the size of big Ivan in them WTF is that supposed to mean?
Isaac Lee
Bump for interest. What solutions do your propose OP? Not berating you, just curious.
Joseph Peterson
You really think USA's nuclear defense isn't EMP hardened? They spent trillions of dollars on the system through the entire cold war. USA's military has been built to consider nuclear attack for many decades.
An EMP attack isn't some magical doomsday device. There are very simple ways to make things resistant or immune to EMP attack.
Christopher Baker
>a short time
You're wrong about that, kiddo. Examine population densities along the Waste Coast and recognize that any prolonged disruption of the electrical grid is going to lead to millions of deaths in the short te-
Never mind, you're right.
Thomas Moore
Get out of here shill, there's e other NORK hate threads up ffs >North Korea nuke is bad Yea fucking right, I want WWIII kiddo, gtfo
Adrian Hernandez
I believe the only way out is for our new president to show remorse on behalf of the American people for the lamentable choices of past politicians, to show the Korean people we want a great future together, and to hammer out a reunification plan that gets the nukes into the hands of a stable unified Korean democracy, and start a new relationship with korea as an ally against the more dangerous threats we face - such as in the Middle East.
Brody Nguyen
Congres has been advised that hardening against an EMP is not sufficient for hardening against a super-EMP.
Juan Mitchell
Oh no, some retarded faggot on the internet says that NK could kill millions in the US and cripple our nation... with their model rocket knock offs. Thank god he posted all those sources, peer reviewed articles, and myriad of other documentation that backed up his claims that are in no way a retarded fantasy. Oh the humanity.
Camden Perez
Ahh, the EMP. Yes, kill yourself.
Matthew Torres
Sounds like bullshit. How easy is it to make a neutron bomb with sufficient yield?
Gavin Edwards
>Today Sup Forums has an existential problem to solve. If we get it wrong, we may find ourselves quite suddenly returned to the Stone Age.
This is bad, how? With the current demographic chance I couldn't give a shit since it will not be my children who will inherit my land. If I belong to the last generation I welcome it.
Andrew Lewis
Ignore this larping antifa that wants us all dead.
Henry Mitchell
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Elijah Price
>super-EMP now i've heard everything.
Connor Wood
>they create a gamma ray burst that destroys all circuitry below - continent-wide.
You do realize that EMP only damages semi-conductors? your larping is weak
Christopher Wright
Not impossible, just requires a huge nuclear detonation to get anything that can do real damage emp-wise.
Luis Young
It doesnt have to be a "neutron" bomb. Any nuclear device blown at high altitude will create an EMP that destroyed the US system, which is very vulnerable
>How would you contact these submarines after an EMP attack? You really believe military equipment is not EMP resistant? that would be suicide
Zachary Walker
Our military is, but our infrastructure isn't. Doesn't mattter if you can nuke someone back when every city in your country is burning from the looters.
Blake Campbell
I am all for a peaceful co-existence with the North Korean people. However, the people you need to convince are the North Korean political elites who effectively control all aspect of life in the country, including all major information centers. I don't think surrounding the country with US military assets (subs, missile defense systems, carrier groups) is a step towards making peace. The NK state is not launching missiles at Japan because they are bored, they feel threatened, and justly so.
Trump should show NK people that we are peaceful. This can be accomplished by showing the NK state that we do not mean harm in any way by strategically moving our military assets from the region.
However, based on what I have read and seen here, there are darker forces in the world (see: Western banking cabal) that would like to see a NK war kick off. The theories include 1) start a world war to cover for our dismal economic situation caused by the FED monetary policies, 2) install a central bank in the newly conquered NK controlled by the financial elites like they did in Libya, Iraq, etc.
I hope this is resolved soon.
"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God" Matthew 5:9
Ethan Lewis
A neutron bomb creates more gamma radiation, and less blast force, and can be much much smaller. And Russia has confirmed that North Korea has the technology
Jackson Baker
you didn't read the article you posted above smarty-poo. >"Neutron bombs or Enhanced Radiation Weapons such as Super-EMP weapons are essentially very low-yield H-Bombs, that typically have yields of 1-10 kilotons, just like the North Korean device," said Pry, executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security.
James James
Nice gesture, but moving out military assets means watching 50 million South Koreans die.
Zachary Lee
It also means we would be reduced to using Chinese smartphones for decades to come
Aiden Wilson
Emp's tend to do more damage to devices with intagrated circuts. These devices are sensitive to voltage fluctuations and they tend to require specialized tools to fix them. Older electronics tend to use higher voltages, they tend to be more durable, and they are easier to repair if need be. So if there is an emp attack they will probably end up using older comms systems to give those subs a launch order.
Carter Murphy
If they do that north Korea would cease to exist.
Furthermore its unlikely that china would assist North korea in any scenario where they are the aggressors.
Owen Phillips
>This can be accomplished by showing the NK state that we do not mean harm in any way by strategically moving our military assets from the region. we mean no harm in encircling you you and OP don't get nork thinking. First they want security. Then they want unification.
Sebastian Wood
That article is from January. The h bomb shows they can make it, with devices they are publicly known to possess, even, and pry has pointed out these are already orbiting above us. It's not about me, it's about taking this seriously. Americans have never been immune, but the ignorant cocksure bravado makes everything far worse.
Benjamin Brown
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Bentley Jackson
listen faggot, there is one simple VERY simple rule in Sup Forums
the "happening" NEVER HAPPEN, NEVER EVER
now get out of here faggot
Hunter Morris
>Furthermore its unlikely that china would assist North korea in any scenario where they are the aggressors.
This
Christopher Jenkins
North Korea fan fiction.
Daniel Sanchez
Koreans detest the Chinese. If trump attacks Norks, they would fire rockets at them, just to force the us and china into war with one another, and it would happen.
Aaron King
Well dumb fuck we could take the country now before they have that capability when only moderate damage to south Korea. Or we can prolong this shit for another 10 years of missile and bomb development.
Tyler Miller
There is little the US or anyone else can do. Maybe giving them access to the net but they'd see that as an act of aggression. The threat they pose isn't as grave as you present. They've still not done a proper ICBM test and their capacity is limited. Their one cheap first strike doesn't land, they know what happens. Armchair generalling aside, a token apology for everything since the fifties would likely only embolden Norkland. They'd still insist on a nuclear deterrent. Assassination in the hope that the next one is better is the only step I can think off. But it would have to be real sneaky.
Evan Barnes
Lol no they can't. North Korea exist due to American restraint.
Benjamin Roberts
kys fag, nuke everything its the only right answer.
Jaxson Anderson
Discuss with thems their plans, their visions, their reservations, their views of the true reasonability of their treatment of 'what would be like lesser citizens', their hopes for future in terms of business, productivity, human health and happiness index. What motivation if any they have to truly ever considering attack any country? If some treaty can be signed with metaphorical blood and spirit that all nations and people promise to not attack NK and NK promises to not attack any nation or people. What they believe is right and wrong with how they treat their people. What their exact opinions are on other nations and how they treat people. What is all the tension and conflict about, exactly? What circumstances would have to exist for NK to absolutely never attack another country or any people?
Cameron Lopez
As a self-proclaimed National Socialist, I honestly have some sympathy and support for the DPRK. As you said, they aren't Communists, and really never were, the Juche ideals on which the country was founded upon are more of an ethno-nationalistic socialism, and they continue to follow that doctrine, despite Kim Jong Un being a much less efficient leader then Kim Ill Sung. The majority of what we see in the media are lies and outrageous myths akin to what the press accused Germany of in the 1930's, all in the attempt to push a global narrative to get public support for a war. So how can you blame them for hating the U.S and western world as a whole? They U.S.A is economically bleeding them via sanctions and threatening their existence with military action, not to mention they prevented the union of Korea back in 1953 and have always been in the way of their progress. If it were up to me, I'd propose removing sanctions from North Korea, and actually attempting to make some reforms with them and maybe a start some kind of mutual agreement with each other to possibly work together. Everyone seems to forget the reason North Korea is being so 'agressive' is to simply show it will not be pushed around and deserves respect, If we simply show them that respect, and stop trying to demonize them with 'muh missles', they'd be much more willing to cooperate.
Lincoln Evans
You mean we will have to live like the north Koreans if they detonate an EMP? Sounds pretty fucking terrible desu.
Carter Butler
Dear Well Dumb Fuck, there's been a bit of development while you we're sleepwalking this last decade.
Landon Hall
Just.....shut up you fucking stormnigger.
You'll never be a real NatSoc. All you know is:
>muh 1488 >muh blacked >muh ideals of traditionalism that i never take part in
Shut the fuck up you fucking kike. Go gas yourself. All you're doing is posting on an image board.
Wyatt Jones
I haven't been sleepwalking dumb Korean faggot. We have been planning counter attacks and war games for this scenario. My emp harded facility is goes through an Cray scan monthly and I pray for the day we get to finish you off. Unfortunately it's July and Korea won't try shit until the ground freezes over.
Grayson Carter
>stormnigger >implying stormfront is a bad thing
I wonder who could be behind this post.
Asher Jones
Lol it was just a shitpost dudes
Kayden Adams
Thanks for that Kim. No one buys your larping
Bentley Jenkins
Enter into a non-aggression treaty with them, it worked well for Poland in 1939.
Unleash a fleet of drones on them to destroy every military base and seat of power, let south Korea clean up the ruins, and fuck off out of the peninsula for the next 100 years.
Easton Morris
if north korea manages to actually nuke a US city you can be damned sure it wasnt actually north korea that does it
Connor Rogers
Apparently fake evidence is enough to drive your warmongering country of mongoloids to another war solely waged by arms dealers, CIA, smugglers and contractors who want to line their pockets. Just like the last two Iraq wars.
Nathaniel Rodriguez
decentralize the power grid
every home produces its own power
removes the need for massive infrastructure and transformers everywhere
we're already on our way to doing this, if the us gov wants to help it along they only need to subsidize solar and wind power installation for the public
then design the decentralized network to allow any home producing electricity to feed that to any other home
then compound it with an increase in transformer production
and harden the grid as much as possible
Justin Martin
It's very cute to think sustainability is the answer. MAYBE try putting a 3/4" layer of lead over top of your solar photovoltaics and let us all know how recharging your phone works out. Lol. No, investing yet more in vulnerable infrastructure does not make sustainability the answer leaf.
Eli Evans
Oh, you're a neurotic LARPer. Right on. Just keep doing what you're doing shipping container troglodyte.
Brayden Green
>Get this wrong and you may likely die for it. I have a firm belief that our anti-missile system is robust enough as a deterrent. Any missile detected and unstopped would undoubtedly have a massive return volley. It would not be MAD. It would be guaranteed total destruction of North korea. We will have wasted a small part of our arsenal. They will have wasted 100% of theirs.
Ill be honest. They aren't doing shit. They have the brain power to comprehend it as a poor idea.
Eli Williams
powers want to shape the world in their favor, NKs privacy is a unique and rare feature in the world (maybe as well as its location), and so there is competition between powers to exploit it
Ayden Hill
It is telling that you use the word "believe" to qualify your confidence when you are talking about shooting something out of the air that is travelling 7km per second.
Lincoln Gonzalez
>high yield neutron bomb >North Korea
You're the biggest retard here, pal.
Eli Parker
How's that?
David Hernandez
Nothing can be done until the problem reaches critical mass.
Austin Russell
This. Any EMP attack as bad as OP claims would wipe out millions of liberals and shitskins here in the states. Also, what was the pol prophecy? It will happen when the weather cools? Literally the best time to attack the US. Any disruption of the power grid during winter would kill millions simply because of the cold.
Kevin Carter
God this is a stupid and ignorant shitpost. I wish we had real mods so this was a valid report.
Logan Brown
If you look at the news, North Korea can now hit Manhattan, but what Pry and I are both saying is that the same ICBMs are more dangerous detonated above the atmosphere than in a metropolitan area, and firing them into the atmosphere makes shooting them down nearly impossible (missile defence is designed for low trajectory) THAAD is the only hope, and even that has a low rate of efficiency on even one missile never mind dozens of decoys.
If they are detonated at high altitude, to release a superEMP, they don't need fancy guidance. North Korea must necessarily be dealt with diplomatically.
This is way more serious than the Cold War. This has the makings of the end of the USA, and with it, the capacity to uphold western democracy.
Blake Bennett
I wish a gook would
Andrew Campbell
in the summer, with no refrigeration. At least the freezing weather preserves food.
Aaron Evans
How's that wall coming? Ever won a chess game?
Josiah Foster
I don't play chess. I don't really know what you mean here.
If the US grid fails, there will be a lot of opportunists travelling north from Mexico, and they probably won't be the type looking for a job as a toiletscrubber