Why aren't you a National Capitalist™, Sup Forums?

Why aren't you a National Capitalist™, Sup Forums?

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because me and my neighbor got into and argument and then I pulled out my AR15 and he called the mercenary group he had a coupon for but he didn't know I had a tank and o shit all of society is fucked now.

>protectionist trade

AHH MUMMY GOVERNMENT, THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR MAKE THEIR SHIT CHEAPER, DONT LET OUR INDUSTRY ADAPT, KILL THEM MOMMY!

How are we going to pay for our military dictatorship style government without taxes?

Government is far, far too big now but it is fucking retarded to say it doesn't have a place.

This guys beliefs are ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE.

I don't think he accurately represents the idea he's trying to meme into reality.

>Anime pictures on his profile picture
>Considers himself a "national capitalism"

Too allow a (((materialistic))) ideology to own you... is ...

well, I have no words...

Also, it would be more serious of your part if you were to elucidate us on how you would achieve your goals instead of paroting some goals you think people here would support...

Meme ideology. Capitalism prefers globalism over nationalism.

such a shitty looking flag. Heres a better one.

I'm pretty much for all of that except instead of no taxes I'd say very low taxes and pretty liberal on personal freedoms

Protectionism is an attempt to make up for the failings of the public education system. If those born in the United States have an average skillset equivalent to that of foreigners from third world countries, that is an unbelievable failure in and of itself already.

Any kind of protectionism should be implemented only with the recognition of this fact, and thus the public funds from tariffs should be distributed as loans to small business entrepreneurs and as funding for the expansion of small private schools with proven potential & merit. Finally, such a policy should have a non-negotiable sunset of 20 years, afterwards protectionism of any sort shall be abolished.

Let me introduce you to laissez faire Nat Soc. It's gonna be cool. but we have to gas the central banks first.

Ok you convinced me. Who do I vote for? What do I support and oppose?

Stop posting this, it's nothing it doesn't even mean anything. This is for sour grapes kikes that want to get in on the culture, lmao a fucking dollar sign, you belong in a camp.

Because capitalism does fuck-all to conserve nature. Market forces only apply to conservation after the damage is irreparable. My nation is more than just it's people and it's economy. My haplotype evolved in the area, but so did so many other creatures unique to this region of the world. I don't trust capitalism to protect those vulnerable lives.
Just recently a bunch of boomers brought beach sand to their vacation cottages around freshwater lakes. They wanted the white sand so they could make beaches that looked more like those near te ocean instead of the brown ones from the mountain dirt. Introducing that sand to the freshwater lake fucks up the ecosystem beyond their property. It frustrates me to no end.

National Capitalism:
>One national bank that grants licenses to smaller banks to operate - source of revenue #1. These banks are allowed to function normally but with some regulations
>Nationalized stock exchange, works similar to the national bank. Secondary source of revenue. Stocks used as a secondary type of currency, like bitcoin (I.e Buy a TV with 400 shares in apple because you're poor but your job gives you stocks sometimes)
>Low corporate taxes, Encouraging foreign companies to locate to (X) country.
>Tolls on every highway, simple to navigate with a subscription to something like Ipass
>Paid mercenary army like the FFL but cooler
>small professional army for SHTF
>Budget split 1/3 defense (down from 1/2 in US), 1/3 economic shit and 1/3 on everything else
>Slave labor for prisoners is cracking codes to create more bitcoins

Find a flaw

>national capitalism is just national socialism with a different name

Look at his profile pic pol.

Look at those 2D anime stickers pol.

And that beard. And that shirt. And his "preserving the white race" bullshit.

The only thing this man preserves are his low self esteem issues and pure white baby mayo.

Is he a friend to you, an ally of your ideaology? Cause he looks like a pussy.

oh yeah lets hypocritically support slave labor buy importing and purchasing cheap goods while we profess we're better than them

...

I like it

But for fucks sake Sup Forums stop making every fucking flag a knock-off nazi flag

You realize the nazi flag is hated near universally, doesn't matter what you think of it, it's bad optics

Right, people make mistakes like this all the time. Which is why a decentralized society makes the most sense, as the consequences of such mistakes can be contained to a smaller scale while the lessons of such mistakes can still be widespread.

Furthermore the fact that no one has any kind of use claim or property claim to the ecosystem beyond their property is what makes such idiocy so difficult to deal with in the first place. If the lake is a commons, it will inevitably be a tragic one.

International trade is and always will be mercantilist in nature. Asian economies have 100% understood this. When the white race goes, the myth of free trade goes with it

I'm vaguely NatCap, but the guy pictured in the OP is fucking stupid. You can't have a military-style dictatorship with no taxes.

Also,
>Protectionist trade policy
Into the trash it goes. What a strange clusterfuck of an ideology he outlined.

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

there's quite a few contradictions in that list there..

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen.

>Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class
Okay, faggot; except, Socialism has been objectively horrible for the middle class throughout history, and price controls have led to working class people dying in droves.

Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.

Socialism is possible only in a state that is united domestically and free internationally. The bourgeoisie and Marxism are responsible for failing to reach both goals, domestic unity and international freedom. No matter how national and social these two forces present themselves, they are the sworn enemies of a socialist national state.

We must therefore break both groups politically. The lines of German socialism are sharp, and our path is clear.

We are against the political bourgeoisie, and for genuine nationalism!

We are against Marxism, but for true socialism!

We are for the first German national state of a socialist nature!

We are for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party!


(because materialism is never going to stop white genocide and capitalism unchecked is cancer you stupid fuck)

That's exactly why you should be a national capitalist they support bigger government.

>Preserving Western culture and the white race

Pan-Europeanism doesn't appeal to me. The British are a distinct cultural and ethnic entity.

>Hands off approach to the economy

In any sensible society the state must control direction of the economy. A true free-market has never existed for good reason; it doesn't work in the real world. inb4 Amerilards with muh (((friedman))) and (((Rand))).

>Protectionism trade policy

To some extent, sure. Though protectionism must go hand in hand with state investment else it's a recipe for stagnation.

>No taxes at all

Absolutely retarded. Well funded government is required to prevent corporate tyranny.

>Private charity instead of welfare

We had private charity for centuries and people still starved and lived in squalor. Private charity isn't enough.

>Private corporations instead of government agencies

Government has a vested interest in the wellbeing of the people, corporations don't. This is a recipe for corporate tyranny.

>Restrictions on personal freedoms

Who will do this without any government agencies?

>Military dictatorship style government

How will this be paid for without taxes?

>Nationalistic population

How will you engender this without a government funded education system?

>Restrictions on immigration

How will you do this without taxes?


Altogether, this is one of the most retarded ideas I've ever heard, so no wonder it's been posted by a bootlicking corporatist Amerilard.

Any ideology that relies on vox populi, vox dei will fail because the people are always going to vote to spend other peoples money. Autocratic states with a mix of capitalism and protectionism will eventually dominate the globe as all the cuddly bitch democracies go the way of the dinosaur. Lee Kuan Yew was a prophet. That is all

Wahhhh mommy gov let me buy from next door wahhh mommy government!!!!

suuuuuuure

Private corporations instead of government agencies. Youre a fucking retard. We might actually make a spot in the camps for you people. Corporations need to be absorbed by the state, gotten rid of. Run by people who care about white, not green.

I prefer the gadsen snake wrapped around a fasces

>no taxes and corps free reign
>Military gov acting on anything

Retarded

No it's because how can the USA compete with hordes of gooks manufacturing shite whilst dying in factories by the dozen whilst maintaining decent living standards for its citizens.

>The answer is reinstating slavery, which is the conclusion everyone else in history came to before globalism

>Muh "nationalism will magically solve the economic calculation problem"

>hands off approach to the economy

yes
more neoliberalism is exactly what's needed

If it's so horrible then how come Germany went from being the poorest post-WWI country in Europe to an economic behemoth?

Check mate, libertard

>no taxes
>but somehow there's money to fund a military

What always kills me about politics is that so few realize that Fascism/Natsoc was and is the ultimate evolution of socialism. I'm not here to bullshit that leftists are the real Fascists, but Fascism as a hell of a lot more in common with revolutionary leftist systems than it ever did with aristocracies. And unlike the socialists, who were all bourgeois LARPing as working class allies, Fascists ACTUALLY understood that the working class will ALWAYS pick national identity first. The idea of an "international socialist" is a fucking betrayal of workers, full stop, forever.

That said, I side more with the aristocratic right than with the Fascists, but if you ask me to pick between managerial Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, and Fascism, I pick the Fascists eyes closed.

Industry adapting is fine. But you've got to be more efficient than them. That means automation. That means planning and not leaving people out cause a robot will work for less. Or it means civil unrest and the curtailing of rights this carries with it.

>"Military dictatorship style government"

This will be a big seller with the normies. Controlled opposition / trolls?

For starters, economic growth is something that naturally happens after a recession.

There are two types of growth in an economy; productivity growth and input-output growth. The former leads to higher living standards, while the latter is largely Keynesian magic. Nazi Germany's method of fixing the economy was to essentially employ millions of people in government jobs, dedicate a substantial portion of GDP to military spending, etc. That is what is referred to as input output growth. Of course you're going to have a low rate of unemployment when a decent amount of your population is employed through the military, or other government jobs, but that doesn't translate to real economic growth and a raised standard of living. Their model was essentially a Keynesian war economy, which is what we've had in the United States for the past few decades.

Employment rates are not the sole metric of the health of an economy. If NS Germany had continued to exist after World War II, they likely would have been pressured into liberalizing their economy, due to the fact that maintaining a war economy =/= a long-term economic plan (unless you plan on continuing to wage war indefinitely).

The only thing Nazi Germany had even remotely right, economically, was putting their currency on a gold standard, but a lot of the gold in their reserve was literally stolen from other countries.

Not to be too pedantic but the original attraction to communism and social democracy in the first half of the 20th century was actually the abuse of the workers by their employers. labor unions and laws protecting the workers came after that.
While price controls typically leads to inefficiency and even in the worst cases millions of deaths it's merely one possible type of a social policy that can potentially be implemented but it's not necessary to implement in any form. What price control policies were in the reich i do not actually know.

This!!!

Anything based on preserving culture in this day and age is doomed to collapse. Also, is this not bait?

It's a non-problem. It assumes free market is efficient at the allocation of resources, which is doubtful. There's a reason why the government doesn't permit a free market: It's unsustainable and the internalising of risk will lead to collapse.

It also forgets that socialism doesn't require strict central planning, local devolution of certain decisions is not only possible but desirable.

What's National Capitalism? Some new gender tumblr invented?

>The economic calculation problem is a non problem

Opinion discarded, you fucking cretin. The economic calculation problem has been a subject for serious debate over the last century or so, and everyone who based their economic policy on the supposition that it is a "non problem" ended up being responsible for the deaths of millions of people.

Mate the economy was not planned in the soviet sense in nazi germany, i know it can be really hard for an-caps and libertarians to grasp the subtle differences between communism and national socialism but i assure you there are differences.

>Military dictatorship

fuck off with that kid shit

wow, goebbels was a very eloquent orator

It wasn't regulated to the extent of the Soviet economy, but it had all of the objectively bad stuff about Socialism like price controls, nationalization of industry, etc. You're not fooling me, faggot.

you're just combining words you like into schizophrenic ideologies and honestly your mother should've aborted you you dense fuck

I'm quite positive the living standards in germany rose significantly through the nazi rule until the war started, i agree it is likely that reich would have been heavily liberalized after the war with time. Are you sure about that gold standard bit, i thought the nazis specifically took their currency off the gold standard due to lack of gold, as far as i know their currency was backed by labor certificates or something of the sort.

Input-output worked for Germany tremendously well, and economic liberalisation was not on the cards, nor would it ever have to be. The entire population was mobilised behind producing for the fatherland, working for the fatherland, and servicing the fatherland.

Living standards went up considerably in Nazi Germany, and taken as a whole, society was better off than under the Weimar system.

Also, you're mistaking the facist economic system with a "war economy". The Germans were preparing for war, but the fascists relied on total popular mobilisation; they socialised PEOPLE.

It is a non-problem for precisely the reasons I stated.

Lolbertarians are the ones with the serious problem: The free-market is fundamentally inefficient. That's the reason one has never been permitted.

It harms others who are not taking part in the transaction. The so-called "externalities" would bring the system down in a flash and deep down they know it.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Year_Plan

You mean the good things about socialism?

>The living standards were higher than the Weimar republic

Wow, it's almost like literally any ideology is preferable to a system that essentially turned the German economy into an ATM to pay off outrageously high war debts indefinitely.

>The free-market is fundamentally inefficient. That's the reason one has never been permitted.

Yes, because the government is always out to craft policy that is in the best interest of the people. I couldn't see ANY other motive for the government to insert itself into the economy. It's not like government continually has an incentive to justify its existence.

You're a fucking idiot.

Nope, real wages dropped.
Furthermore they botched their rearmament because contracts were given to politically connected instead of most efficient companies.
That's why Soviets with their primitive ways absolutely humiliated them in terms of production.
>b-but muh manpower muh resources
Germany was a huge industrial power and seized like half of Europe in early part of war.
They had every way to outproduce Soviets, reason they failed is because they were horribly inefficient, at least until later in war when due to Speer's actions production rose even though Allies bombed the shit out of them.

>real wages dropped
UHHHHHH, but what about the unemployment rates, you FAGGOT? That's the sole metric of an economy's health. fucking libertard free market shill. kek

Yea that fits the picture i have, i really need to look into their economic policy closely some day.

Now that you mention it, Nazis partially solved the (PR) problem in a creative way: they stopped counting women as unemployed. Brilliant!

>Wow, it's almost like literally any ideology is preferable to a system that essentially turned the German economy into an ATM to pay off outrageously high war debts indefinitely.

Just so happens that that ideology engendered full employment and an economic miracle.

>Yes, because the government is always out to craft policy that is in the best interest of the people.

By and large, they do because we live in democracies. Though private corporations are doing what they can to change that.

>It's not like government continually has an incentive to justify its existence.

It doesn't need to justify anything; people can see that it is self-evidently required for society to function.

>You're a fucking idiot.

You might want to look at your silly yellow flag.

You wouldn't happen to be American by any chance?

He condradicts himself.

Wages increased by 10.9% in real terms you nonce.

>By and large, they do because we live in democracies

People don't know what is in their best interest, you absolute faggot. That's how I know you're retarded. Your average Joe may have good intent, but that doesn't mean that he supports policy which would actually benefit him. Fuck all of you stupid faggots and your gay worker's revolutions.

Wow, it's almost like you shouldn't trust statistics that come from totalitarian dictatorships with a vested interest in continually justifying their existence.

Here's a quick frame for you: Nazis were pathetic failures.
Same Germany, when lead by actually competent people, fought a two-front war from the beggining, against TWO prepared and one semi-prepared great powers, propped up two horribly incompetent allies (A-H and Ottomans), knocked out Russia, and made Entente shit their pants even in 1918 with Spring Offensive.

Nazis exploited anti-war sentiment, rode the appeasment wave, took out their opponents one-by-one, got lucky with France (keep in mind even Hitler considered the possibility of a WW1 repeat), fucked around a bit more, invaded USSR, got wrecked by 1943, and then bled to death while sending children to die and meth addict screaming orders to burn everything down.
I don't think a more ridiculous and pathetic group ever caused so much chaos. No wonder they are the idols of incompetent illiterate spergs.

>People don't know what's in their best interests.

And you do? Perhaps fascism is in your best interests and you just don't know it?

> Your average Joe may have good intent, but that doesn't mean that he supports policy which would actually benefit him.

That wasn't the point. The point was that if the government thought that their policy would harm the populace, they wouldn't do it because they want to be voted in.

Then again, these days corporations just propagandise populations into voting for whichever candidate has the most money. Precisely why they're so insidious.

Perhaps you should lay off the Friedman and Rand for a little while; we were all teenagers once. It's why most people usually ignore libertarians, most grow out of it.

National Transhumanism > National Capitalism

>suuuuuuure

it's literally what we're doing in the west, why do you think all manufacturing is moving overseas?

>unless you plan on continuing to wage war indefinitely
I'm loving that phrase snek.

>protectionism

That was early on. When Schacht was kicked out and rearmament started, real wages started to drop.

you can say that about any government user

Actually they wanted to remove all the women entirely from the labor force as a way to decrease unemployment of men and to increase the birth rates. This was done gradually via a marriage subsidy.

USSR was industrialised by 1943, Russia in WW1 was not.

Also, Russia weren't beaten militarily in WW1. The political will and soldier morale had gone. The Nazis made it further into Russia than the Kaiser ever did.

Not to mention crushing France in weeks, successfully occupying much of the Balkans, and bailing out the Italians.

You can't have a hands off approach if you allow Jews to participate in your economy. They will always screw over everyone else if given the chance.

Yes, they did. They then picked up again so that by 1940 real wages were higher than during the time of Schacht.

I'm partial to many Nazi policies actually.
But Nazis were pathetic failures. Historical verdict on them is clear and definite.
>USSR was industrialised by 1943, Russia in WW1 was not
Russia was rearming before WW1 actually. And it was fastest growing industry in the world. But yes, they had issues. Doesn't matter. Point is Germany took on three great powers from the start.
>Also, Russia weren't beaten militarily in WW1
They weren't defeated, but they were mauled quite badly.
>The Nazis made it further into Russia than the Kaiser ever did
What the fuck are you talking about? Germans advanced literally unopposed at one point on EF. They could've been in Moscow and SPb if they wanted to. No need for that.
>Not to mention crushing France in weeks
That's the only impressive strategic thing they did. But it relied on gamble and nothing else. Sure, many do, but things could've easily gone wrong for them.
>Balkans
Yeah, beating the titans that were Yugoslavia and Greece, what a success.
>bailing out Italians
Italians collapsed in 1943.

Accent is on REAL wages. Real wages dropped. Wages were higher, but not real wages.

>National Capitalism not Civic nationalism with Capitalism on steroids.
Lol you dumb cuck.

He's absolutely correct, Nazis were 20th century version of Mongols.
They fueled their ''economy'' by conquest, stealing and using slave labor.
If Nazis somehow magically won despite their incompetence, what you would have is a re-branded post-Stalin USSR, not some white utopia like cultists here imagine.

globalist detected

>He's absolutely correct, Nazis were 20th century version of Mongols.
>They fueled their ''economy'' by conquest, stealing and using slave labor.
Nice.
>If Nazis somehow magically won despite their incompetence, what you would have is a re-branded post-Stalin USSR, not some white utopia like cultists here imagine.
They could always attack towards North, South,West or East.

You find 1984 a blueprint for a good society?

Capitalism and Nationalism are opposing ideologies. Nations get in the way of profit. Why does arbitrary national person matter more? Sorry but I want money fuck nations, give me globalism so I can make things wherever I want, use people as my cogs, sell wherever.

How could you fund a militaristic dictatorship without taxes?

>capitalism being compatible with nationalism

What is wrong with eternal war you softie faggot?
>muh dystopia
You are living it already.

Globalism would work if every nation worldwide had the same IQ and civilization as Europe. I like the free movement of goods, but not the free movement of people.

This is why no one takes you faggot LARPers seriously.

>"xD war is good for civilization because it makes people strong"
No, it doesn't. It actually does the exact opposite, and fuck you for thinking otherwise.

Uh I don't care about that either, high iqs will rise to the top and live in our own gated expensive areas. People thinking they have a right to live in a good place because of ancestry are trash. Let Europe be flooded for all I care. FUCK nationas, Capitalism don't need you. All that matters is money

Do you support stateless capitalism?

Go live in somewhere like South Africa or Brazil if you want to see what it's like to live in a gated community surrounded by what is essentially a fucking warzone. Ancaps are such fucking faggots.

You are cute really.
Instead of getting your culture slaughtered with globalism, your racial integrity butchered with immigrants and your locals losing their jobs/dignity/virginity/future because of muh diversity does not seem any better than bombing of Dresden, to be frank.
Surely war is destructive, hell my people lost entire generations there. But instead of this insuffarable shithole, I would rather dig trench.
Its simpler.
>Those are the enemy ranks.
>You kill, or get killed.
No longer do I have to turn back every second to check whether it is the nigger that is going to stab me, or the kike.

It's a type of government the triggers the crypto-marxist stormtard