Anyone other older men on this board feel that dealing with older teenage boys and early twenty-something men is a...

Anyone other older men on this board feel that dealing with older teenage boys and early twenty-something men is a supreme act of futility?

As I get older it is increasingly becoming clearer that the vast majority of young males have to learn most things the hard way. Especially in critical areas like women, politics, and money.

You can give the highest quality explanations and advice, and it's like handing pearls to swine. You just see their idiocy as they trample over it with their vast inexperience.

After a while I just have to step back and go fuck it. Get the popcorn.

>Anyone other older men

Edit: Any* other older men

>There are people on Sup Forums right now that are older than 23
Go away, old people. You have no place in our movement.

Im 23 and feel this way about folks my age.

As one of those idiotic 27 year olds, yes we need to make all the mistakes to learn from them.

The benefit of learning from advice is we only make the mistake once.

It's tougher dealind with a young girl

Been pretty much trying to raise my teen sister and act,like her father because my mom is single and I'm not sure if I'm doing a good job but I'm sure as hell trying my best man. I'm only 21 so there isn't a big age gap but I still need to be the male figure in her life

Do not let any guy use her for sex. Cock block any guy who is not marriage material.

I'm not going to claim they're fantastic people, but my own generation wasn't particularly good either.
Men have been acting like overgrown children for generations now. Even men in their 50s tend to act like perpetual children.

Things are going to get weird in the coming decades, as the old people who act as our connection to the past die out, and are replaced by people who grew up in a modern pop cultural setting. It's already started to happen, as people who grew up with The Beatles have hit retirement age.

And if you actually had the experience of an older man you would see the meta data in your comment dooms your movement.

I actually do this, I have told guys to fuck off when some were trying to talk to her. She's pretty but never had a boyfriend because she's pretty quiet for the most part and doesn't go to too many social events or anything

Luckily my mom and I got her into an all girls school for high school, a private school. My brother is a MAJOR fuck up and didn't do well at our public high school (ended up dropping out, caused lots of problems) so she didn't want to go there after he left his reputation.

I think she'll be fine but I'm worried about college for her. I'm gonna try to get her to go locally and commute

Brains are not properly developed in 25
Best is to ask questions - make them think. Be Socratic.

I've been watching a fair bit of Jordan Peterson, being under 20 I find his shit interesting and helpful. But I've never known anyone IRL my age who watch him, probably because they're normal and I want to fucking die

My biggest fear is the widespread porn affecting mental health. Any older man or woman can see this affecting the younger generation for the worse. Not saying there should not be porn, but when a fucking kid can access what's online now? Christ. It's already making the younger generation weird.

You're somewhat lucky in that in Norway your family courts are excellent. Family courts in many western nations are corrupt and are lowering the birth rates because our young men have been warned (rightly so) not to get married.

Young men are open for rational reason if you show them the way. Of course you have ADHD chads thats über hyper and thick as a brick

Good. Warn her explicitly: If she has sex with a guy at her age who is not marriage material it will permanently affect her. Warn her it will be the worst emotional pain she will ever experience, and that other men in the future will see her as less worthy of commitment. Make certain she still has choice (or the illusion of it) though as the "pastor's daughter" tends to be the most slutty.

You will know if the guy is marriage material based on his career or lack there of. No career = no sex.

>dey can't think rite till dey 25
>but try to make um think

>Best is to ask questions - make them think. Be Socratic.

Good luck with that. There is a very neurotic/ideology tendency on this board. You ask them a question, they spew back hostility and still spin in circles. I recognize the spinning in circles part, but the spewing hostility is just nuts.

Jordan Peterson will be one of the great men of the next decade and likely beyond. He is a great teacher. Keep an eye on him, and poke around his Youtube channel for insight. His humbleness is his strength. He will lead you the right way.

Define older. I agree with you though, but I'm happy with my choices. I would have rather learned the hard way than be wondering the rest of my life.
I'm fine with people making mistakes, it is those who do not learn from them that are subhuman.

I find that 10% or 20% are open for rational reason. On this board, even less. It is depressing, and frustrating.

>Define older.

Lines in the face with grey hair coming in.

And I agree with you.

Yeah, that's just about the only good thing to come out of feminism. The idea that women are supposed to be independent has resulted in divorce and child custody laws that don't completely destroy the man's life after marriage.

be the example so you don't have to rely on words, that's enough. lip service doesn't cut it with men, or women really.

fuck you dad its because of you boomer shits that i have to pay for my estrogen

>If she has sex with a guy at her age who is not marriage material it will permanently affect her.

I told her a very similar thing and from our conversations I've tried to drill this in her head. Basically I told her never to even date a guy who she didn't spend time with for a while and think he was going to be serious. I told her never to have sex with someone she hadn't been dating for a while. I think she gets it but sometimes she just laughs or tries to change the subject, maybe because she thinks it's weird to talk about this with me

I'm not sure if this would be cucked and I need someones opinion on this. Do you think it would be cucked to have a good friend of mine ask her out sometime? Basically I have this one friend who has his shit together a lot. He's about to start his career in engineering, he's smart, athletic and super religious. He's been a best friend of mine for pretty much my whole life

He's a bit of a white knight (this is the reason I would trust him with my sister) but a genuinely good guy who's always had good intentions with women as long as I've known him. It's something I used to make fun of him for

Would it be stupid to tell him to ask her out after high school is over? He's someone I would trust for her, and to hopefully marry her but I'm not sure if that makes me a cuck

>complains young dudes have to learn the hard way
>has to learn the hard way why that is
you oldfucks can fuck right off no one cares about you old fat faggots

I'm not that old yet, but I'm seeing trends in friends of mine that are pretty concerning. Very few of them seem to learn from their mistakes and constantly repeat them, from women to drugs and everything in between.
I've tried to help them for years now, but I think I'm starting to realize there is just no helping some people, no matter how much you try or how sincere you are. It's very sad to watch.

im 32 and i hate everyone, not just the people online.... it happens

yes

I'm turning 24 in a month. I'm almost ready to stop using this site. There's nothing left here for me. I had great times, but things don't change much here.

It's a great place to learn politics and bant with likeminded people. That's about it.

Yeah men at that age are stubborn and overconfident, largely because they matured at age 16 but were sheltered for two years in public schools and never had to deal with the real world. Women are even worse since they stop developing around 13 (mentally).

Unless you give your wisdom to very young boys and SHOW them the consequences, they won't be able to absorb it without experience once they've matured.

This is why it's extremely important to get elected to your local school board and stop the cultural marxist agenda at its source: the schools.

Yes.

I said fuck it a long time ago. They're a lost cause.

You're retarded meme flag, I'm not even old but he's right, to be honest

Great point.

Christ.

32 y/o user.

Ignoring advice, making mistakes, and learning from those mistakes is part of becoming a man.

It's the job of the older men to welcome those younger back with open arms. Like the parable of the prodigal son.

I started out as a liberal brain washed know it all little shit. Every man I came across told me I'd come around to being conservative some day. Never thought it would happen then I had an epiphany.

All those mentors, family members and older friends who predicted the outcome welcomed me back when I finally came around.

I find it very annoying to talk to someone older than me, that automatically assumes i am inferior. I hate the boomers and their kids, their liberalism have destroyed great minds, just by their own ignorance and apathy.

Some kids will listen. Some won't. But most of all you cannot give up and start spreading the message that it's OK to give up like that.
Keep fighting. You're doing a dad's work as it were. People like myself need good mentors that aren't blue pilled and guiding me to the slaughter.

>I'm turning 24 in a month. I'm almost ready to stop using this site.

I feel this way and I'm 21. This site has it's detriments too. There's some really retarded shit on here that after reading about it for a while you can start to force yourself to believe. Sometimes this site is too negative too, there's lots of misanthropes on here that can be enlightening in some ways but can also just make you ingest needless negativity for a long time.

After a while you need to realize that that shit isn't healthy and once you've gotten to the point where you've gotten what you need from this website you need to leave. It is great for talking politics but other than that this site can be shit

there is an entire generation of millineal men that are completely and utterly useless. their productivity equates to ((((youtuber)))) or (((gamer))). such accomplishment. they cant drive. they cant manage a checking account and sterilzation is a great option considering theyre in oculus or on steam 99% of time.die off already. you serve only the simulation.

>As I get older it is increasingly becoming clearer that the vast majority of young males have to learn most things the hard way.

It's almost like this has been repeating itself since our days of myth sitting in caves. Seriously, are you so fucking naive to think that this is something unique to you or our generation? Get a fucking hold of yourself user.

We have brains that aren't fully developed yet. What do you expect?

That generally just backfires and turns women into whores.

Amen. 31yrs old. Same. Exact. Shit.

Why do dumb old fucks like you come here to tell people what to do as if you have any fucking clue about how the world works? Drink your prune juice and shut the fuck up! You're too old to be playing on Sup Forums.

you are a pathetic fucking cuck. hahahaha. im laughing.

It's a hard job but someones got to do it.

And you're a democrat

I win without even trying

At 30, yes I see 20-somethings' inexperience. But there's some 40 year old looking at me as a dumbass for thinking I've got everything figured out. The key is always being humble and aware of your ignorance, but enjoying your increased confidence as you get older. They don't tell you when you're young that you become more confident with age. They want you to dread aging. But it's only been getting better when I look back at the mess I was when I was just 5 years ago.

this
36 yo and its pretty true.
I would like to add that also every 7-10 years. you always look back at the age bracket before you and say "wow, these kids no nothing" I cant imagine what 40-50 years old think of us lol.

Sadly now I live in Cultural Marxist city Melb, still better than canada. I argue so much with people about keeping our roots and tradition of the western world intact

>I'm not sure if this would be cucked and I need someones opinion on this.

Alright.

>Do you think it would be cucked to have a good friend of mine ask her out sometime?

It highly depends.

> Basically I have this one friend who has his shit together a lot. He's about to start his career in engineering, he's smart, athletic and super religious.

All good things. However, make certain:

1.) He has the degree in engineering.

2.) Has started the job in engineering, and is actually pulling in a good income.

> He's been a best friend of mine for pretty much my whole life

Bonus points. Still, never trust a young man when it comes to sex. Life long male friends have been known to betray each other when it comes to women and sex. It is the weakest point in men.

>He's a bit of a white knight (this is the reason I would trust him with my sister) but a genuinely good guy who's always had good intentions with women as long as I've known him.

That's good.

>Would it be stupid to tell him to ask her out after high school is over?

"after high school" tells me likely does not have a degree in engineering yet nor a job in engineering. In such a case, I would say it would be stupid to have him date her.

Wait until he has the proven degree and/or the proven career income in place, first. That's critical.

>He's someone I would trust for her, and to hopefully marry her

Mentally place him on the potential list.

>but I'm not sure if that makes me a cuck

"Cuck" is a word that recently replaced "faggot" as the teenager term for a male that is submissive. It does not make you submissive to ensure your sister is married off to a man with a career. However, it would make you a fool to allow a man with no career to impregnate her. Trust me, it will be your family who pays a huge price if a jobless chad knocks your sister up. Your sister will have sex one way or the other someday. Making certain she is with a guy of social standing in no way makes you a "cuck".

ur a cuck
also, she prob fucked many dudes before high school even

Glad I'm not the only one.

It's because they have tiny dicks. When I was in my 20s my dick was only 6 inches, but once I hit like 32 years old, my dickwas a 9 inch whopper.

>I'm almost ready to stop using this site. There's nothing left here for me. I had great times, but things don't change much here.

Same sentiment. It's exhausting.

You ever heard a married bloke reccomend marraige? In fact they go as far as to say "dont get married don't have kids"

Yet nobody listens. They just think hes a grumpy old guy and hes just kidding.
No. Hes serious, deadly serious.

Young people scare me. They see the world more clearly.

Really goes to demonstrate why Jordan Peterson is uploading his Biblical series.

>Still, never trust a young man when it comes to sex. Life long male friends have been known to betray each other when it comes to women and sex. It is the weakest point in men.
This is good advice. No matter how close you are to them or how much you trust them, always be on guard. I've had it happen to me enough times.

Isn't age a social construct?

t. 50 year old Sup Forums lurker

Good thread. Yes. I'm 34 and a mom. I have a boy and a girl. I'm very worried about the culture they're growing up in. They're quite young but I'm already having to mitigate its effects in terms of what comes into our house via media and habits/attitudes acquired from playmates. The rampant narcissism, hypersexuality, and immaturity is terrifying desu. The epidemic of manchildren and its female equivalent is going to do a lot of damage in the coming decades. When else in human history have people in their 30's and beyond continued to dress and behave like 15 year olds, and worse?

Personally I've started to feel like almost everyone is crazy, even some longtime friends. Everyone has the weirdest baggage and it's getting harder to maintain healthy, straightforward friendships as the years pass. When I voice the insight I've gained through life experience, younger people are generally uninterested, or unable to comprehend the nuance in what I'm saying.

>tfw you talk to a group of young goys and drop redpills on them
>tfw they just start throwing bluepill memes at you and declare themselves the winners because their voice is loudest
>tfw you still don't give up because you know at some point they always finally see

>"after high school" tells me likely does not have a degree in engineering yet nor a job in engineering. In such a case, I would say it would be stupid to have him date her.

I should've clarified it's my sister who is still in high school. My friends graduated college and he is starting the job, that's confirmed.
>Trust me, it will be your family who pays a huge price if a jobless chad knocks your sister up. Your sister will have sex one way or the other someday. Making certain she is with a guy of social standing in no way makes you a "cuck".
Thanks a lot man. It's something I will make sure I think through and it's gonna be a few years until my sisters out of school and I'll be able to see where my friend is at then.

I'm german, female, 25 years old. My personal career went good so far.
But I cannot go into the city without fear anymore because there are foreigners everywhere. Gladly nothing really serious happened to me because I'm very cautious, but there were many cases with muslim migrants following me and talking to me like to an animal. The fear is really getting me and I do not know what to do! This whole political agenda is making me literally sick. Should I just close my eyes and try to not think about it too much? Or should I prepare myself to leave my country? Consider this as a political, but also emotional/lifestyle question.
Now. I'm curious what an older men on Sup Forums says to a young person like me.

Yeah well she didn't. Not everyone is some white trash faggot and not all girls are filthy whores, loser.

Beautifully stated.

What I learned is that there is no point in trying to help people or to change their mind. If they wanna help themselves, they will ask your help or see your exemple. Everything else is useless and dull.

Lead by example. Many people love to hear themselves talk about self improvement, but they're usually hypocrites. Few people make any real, lasting change to their lives. For example, I'm giving advice, yet have stayed up well past my self imposed bed time.

my sweet summer child
you will marry a used up slut one day, guarantee it

you have five more years to get yourself sorted out with a man. do you want to raise your children among 1st and 2nd generation immigrant children as a white minority? find a husband and find a exit for the sake of your children. sort yourself out.

Thank you. I should also clarify it also applies to older men, too; but more so younger men.

I'm a woman too. You are right to be cautious. Be even more cautious than you think you need to be. Don't walk alone at night. Tell people where you're going and when to expect you, use a buddy system, etc. I had some near misses when I was your age, especially coming home from dinners and parties late at night. The current political climate is emboldening predators, you really can't be too careful.

would you go so far to say that you're getting sleepy even?

This. I find people take the time to listen to your advice when they see as someone they want to emulate. You need to give them a reason to value your ideas and advice.

fuck you gramps I can cut my own path

>My friends graduated college and he is starting the job, that's confirmed.

Confirm his income discreetly first. If you feel it's sufficient, then wait a few days, and see if he's interested in your sister. Then discreetly check with your sister if she might be interested back.

>Thanks a lot man.

No problem.

Yeah no I won't actually. Pretty much made sure so far in life that I weed out the sluts in my life.

If there's one mistake I won't make it's marrying a slut

This is how it works

I am 31. Us older folks can learn a lot from younger men and we can should be able to benefit from each other.

Look at the relationship between a father and his son. The father has a great deal of practical, real world experience. The son can learn things more quickly and has easier access to information. It's stupidity to flat out discredit the others beliefs based on age as both have been wired and programmed differently.

When I have sons, I will teach them what I know and listen to their ideas as I am sure I will be able to see things from a fresh perspective.

At 25 you are young enough to be wanted by most other countries. My advice to you would be move to another country that hasnt been affected by immigration and try and make a new life from there. If things change in Germany you can always move back. You sound like someone with an attitude that would be appreciated by most countries, businesses and communities. Just don't tell people you hate niggers =)

Welcome to the club fambly

Even sleep is no respite from being awake.

No it doesn't make you a cuck. Men literally arranged marriages for how fucking long for the females in their families? Young women make horrible fucking choices without guidance.
My first girlfriend's dad was a worthless pothead and her degenerate mom died drunk driving so he was just like fuck it do whatever you want. Let me sleep in her bed like the first time we met. And she was total fucking garbage.
It's all real man. actions, consequences.
Just be prepared to break that friendship if he does her wrong.

>Confirm his income discreetly first. If you feel it's sufficient, then wait a few days, and see if he's interested in your sister. Then discreetly check with your sister if she might be interested back.

Will do, thanks a million man. I needed an opinion on this from someone level-headed and glad I didn't just get some dumbass who angrily typed hurr durr cuck

Thanks

Even though this is in general temporary good advice, long term it is a recipe for societal disaster. Just look at the Muslim immigration issue.

We are not fixing the root problem. The law.

Don't get married. Fine, but fix the marriage and family laws so you can have kids and a family.

I feel you, bruh - cute digis

People generally figure things out for themselves as they get older. There is no point trying to tell an 18 year old something that took you 30 years to figure out, they just wont listen until its relevant to them. And the people that reach 30 and continue to fuck up after making the same mistake multiple times, are burdened to fuck up for the rest of their lives.

Based on what I'm reading on this board the vast majority have not read one wikipedia paragraph of history.

Thanks for the advice.
I try to be very careful. I do not go to cities anymore, when it is late. But I was molested a few times at bright daylight, it is horrifying!

I read your first post () before and could find myself in it, even though I am not a mother. One of the best advices I can give to you is to not give your children unlimited internet access, but to make sure that porn content is blocked. Children cannot handle this stuff and are naturally drawn to it.

I am also able to relate to your statement that it is difficult to find and maintain real friendships. Sometimes I wonder why this is so, but I have no answer.

On Sup Forums I rarely write anything, but lurk a lot. There is a lot of bs, but quite some insights you cannot find on other websites.
But I am thinking of avoiding Sup Forums completely since it is messing with my mind. I have to admit that I am kind of soft and fragile and cannot handle thinking about the overall bad situation.

I find it amusing, most of these kids on here are dumb. Millennials are easily triggered.

Get huge.
Got it

>As I get older it is increasingly becoming clearer that the vast majority of young males have to learn most things the hard way. Especially in critical areas like women, politics, and money

The problem with this is they spend their livs locked in their rooms 24/7. They never gain any experience.

Thanks for the advice! I was thinking about leaving the country a lot recently. Then I realized that it is hard to find a place on this planet, which is not affected by negative immigration. But I won't give up!
>"Just don't tell people you hate niggers =)"
xD

>Men literally arranged marriages for how fucking long for the females in their families?

Exactly this was my logic behind the whole scheme. That was my justification, because this was the old way of doing things and marriage wasn't an aberration back then.
>My first girlfriend's dad was a worthless pothead and her degenerate mom died drunk driving so he was just like fuck it do whatever you want. Let me sleep in her bed like the first time we met. And she was total fucking garbage.
Similar thing happened to me. First girlfriend I had in high school, her father didn't even care to meet me until I had been with her for like 2 months, no lie. Never asked if I was her boyfriend or anything, just ignored me and her going in and out of the house. Dude was fucking pathetic in every regard

>I still need to be the male figure in her life
I'll take the reigns, bra

The pornography issue must be fixed. It is literally causing mental health issues.

I agree with everything you said, including your fears.

God help us all.

>Just be prepared to break that friendship if he does her wrong

Won't have an issue doing this either if it did go wrong. She comes before him

It does not make you a cuck, but your friend does sound like one.

You sound like a pretty well-balanced gal, something I doubt Sup Forums has much experience interacting with or would know what to do if they did.
Better move to the US, get a farm house and have healthy beautiful white children for the collective betterment of mankind before it's too late hun

The lack of exercise and hardship is a problem.

That, or they go way too far the other way. Sometimes I hand out a red pill, and I see the young man overdosing.