Fuck Charlie Gard.
I can totally understand how people can give a fuck about the death and suffering all around the world. 99% I dont care about starving children and all this kind of stuff. But how is it possible - regarding all this suffering and dying in the world - that people give a shit about some random white baby?
Yes he died. Too bad. People die everyday.
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It has to do with public policy, bro.
Generally, people are against letting someone die if we can feed and hydrate them.
and shekelz
pushy social-media-aware parents, mainly, and the vultures in the media looking for another reason to shit on doctors
the kid was on a death sentence as soon as he popped out. never had a chance.
you mean the shekelz where strong with this one?
they had no control of their son, that was a problem
That's why advanced directives asking for removal of life support in the event that the individual is braindead are so rare.
Oh wait...
Because he didn't need to die. Because the European mentality of socialised healthcare means the government has greater control over children than the parents, which leads to insane situations like this.
This case was absolutely diabolical, doctors should've done a criminal case against the parents
>Baby is deaf
>Baby is blind
>Baby can't breathe
>Baby is completely paralyzed
>Baby has constant seizures
>Doctors unsure whether the baby is suffering through a nightmarish pain but can't show it since he's paralyzed or if he's numb to all feelings
>Parents still want to keep him alive for as long as possible
Jesus Christ, how fucking terrible. Hopefully his pain has stopped.
this.
fuck human beings
you're pretty stupid user
>Live in Western World
>Western world reports about his own people
Why the fuck should I care about niggers who kill and rape themselfs all day anyway?
Fucking Lefty
>leaf
>REEE FUCKING BRITS STOP CARING ABOUT YOUR OWN PEOPLE MORE THAN AFRICANS REEEEEEE
swissbro always knows.
hesch vollkomme recht alte.
>56%er
You would rather the baby stay alive to suffer more? You are one cruel, sadistic and inhumane motherfucker.
this
It's just more political bullshit
Damn right we care more about white babies.
>they had no control of their son, that was a problem
It is generally the case when a baby has a terminal illness. It was only ever about the feelings of the parents. They will now make lots of money from the prolonged suffering of their child. They are scum and should not be allowed to have kids.
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My face kind of resembles the father's. H-he is white isn't he?
>t. brainwashed NHS worshiper
SOCIALISED DEATH PANELS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Not an argument
The child's disease was terminal. Do you know what that word means? He was never going to live.
>trained medical professionals doing their job
or
>waah waah muh feelings parents who just badmouth the doctors because theyre dumb as shit
>H-he is white isn't he?
No, he's a Brit.
Bupa is an option if you want to pay. If you don't like the NHS go private.
>flag
Oh the ironing
Duh terminal just means that only the American doctors with their experimental cure could save him, right?
This boils down a very simple argument of which is more valubale: quality or quantity of life. It is the same argument abortion is.
1 white baby > every black child on earth. Black lives DO NOT matter
American doctors that want millions for selling snake oil. He would have still died but an at least they would have got a new Porsche.
>The child's disease was terminal. Do you know what that word means? He was never going to live.
Life is a terminal illness. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to attempt to prolong it. What they did was prevent all these attempts until it was too late, then claim it was never possible to treat it (incorrect).
But this issue isn't even about the details of the disease...
>>trained medical professionals doing their job
When their job involves being able to legally prevent people choosing (with money raised themselves) to treat their own child overseas, there's a problem (except for people who worship the state and want them to be able to decide when innocent children die).
They attempted to go private, and had the money. The state didn't allow it. Please look into this story before commenting.
The child would have been in constant pain. No sight, no hearing, no ability to even form a rational thought. Just an empty void of suffering until eventual death. That's no life. To keep someone in that state for a prolonged state is gravely immoral
Yes he still would have died the research that *could* have been gained off him *could* have led to better treatment in the future. But again, quality of life vs quantity of life. The child should have been aborted because I bet this shit showed in genetic pre-natal screening.
>The doctors and parents initially agreed to attempt an experimental treatment, but after the child had seizures that caused more brain damage in January, the doctors withdrew their support for trying the treatment because it was futile and would only prolong whatever pain the infant was suffering. The doctors thought it best for the child to withdraw life support and allow him to die, but the parents still wanted to try the treatment.
why dont YOU look into the case before commenting?
because a judge basicly declared that the state decides what happens to the baby and not the parents. This is why people care.
ofcourse you also have your basic unstable emotional trainwrecks lashing on to these stories but they are to be ignored.
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>They attempted to go private, and had the money. The state didn't allow it. Please look into this story before commenting.
Because it was ethically wrong and violated the duty of care to the patient.
the judge declared that the baby's doctors decide what happened to the baby not his parents who dont have a clue what they are talking about
>No sight, no hearing, no ability to even form a rational thought.
>Just an empty void of suffering until eventual death
user there's a career for you in heavy metal songwriting
This. So much this.
I value the lives of cockroaches over non whites.
You think he should have been a lab rat. Why does he best interest of the patient not matter?
>No gaurentee modern medicine could even help his condition.
>"WHY DIDNT YOU DO MORE?!?!"
Agreed.
It's the will of Allah and the prophet Mohammad that this white boy must die.
that nigger judge should be sent to a gulag
Utilitarianism. I did not say he should have been a lab rat, I said the research he might have provided might have had implications for treatments for this genetic degradation. But that's a moot point because it's an outcome that didn't happen. What did happen was doctors chose quality over quantity, the state agreed, and the parents cried about it because terminal illness didn't mean shit to them but the attention little Charlie brought did.
You two are getting far too bogged down in emotive, state-provided details, and failing to see the wood for the trees.
Remember when abortion was only for extreme cases? When it certainly wouldn't become the easy alternative for any careless parents, and kill hundreds of thousands a year?
You're being led down a very dangerous path by people in whose interest it is to lie to you (so that you don't question their ability to choose when your life ends). The reason they fought so hard to prevent the attempted treatment was NOT for the child's interest, but to prevent an possible evidence that they were wrong and shouldn't have this control.
Just don't say I didn't warn you when the death panels come for somebody you care about (old people are next).
jesus christ the amount of statist cuckolds here is insane.
nigger doctors should give their professional judgement and then fuck right off and leave the decision to the people with an actual fucking stake in the matter
BUT MUH STARVING ETHIOPIANS
literally fick off mate. The only time people talk about starving poor people is when the focus is on some other poor people.
It's like saying all lives matter in response to black lives matter
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You're a fucking retard. I shouldn't expect anything less from a fucking leaf
Hopefully ten tanned Asians will take his place.
>The reason they fought so hard to prevent the attempted treatment was NOT for the child's interest, but to prevent an possible evidence that they were wrong and shouldn't have this control.
So much this. Even if the child could not be saved, why the fuck would you trust this kind of value judgement to someone who has zero fucking incentive to make the right call on it, and every possible incentive to be home in time for dinner, with the least possible hassle?
>Baby has terminal illness
>no chance of survival
>doctors say no point prolonging pain
>HUUUUUUR SOCULIZM KILLS GUIS
Americans never fail to amaze me sometimes
White genes are weak inshallah
>Child was created by husband and wife
>Shares 50 percent of both their genetic code
>Child should have all decisions made for it by its parents (as long as they are mentally stable)
>Child is ill
>random cunt says that they want to kill the baby even while there is a chance
>you try to say no and appeal their decision to the court hoping that they will overturn the ruling and allow the experimental treatment
>repeat last step until it is too late and the small chance is totally gone
>liberals rejoice at the ultimate tyrannical power they have now given the government
Pretty much. Aren't they discussing after-birth abortions in Canada ?
god you are so fucking stupid it hurts to read your posts. the doctor in charge of the clinical trial came over HIMSELF and had a look at the kid and at the kids scans and said HIMSELF there was no point in treating the kid. i find it hilarious that you accuse ME of being the emotive one when you are the one throwing all of the facts out of the window in your desperation to make this case into some big political narrative about muh death panels muh socialised healthcare. GO PRIVATE IF YOU WANT YOU STUPID PRICK
in the meantime why dont you stop gibbering on about conspiracy theories that have no fucking basis in anything other than your own paranoid delusions
Or to draw attention to the hypocrisy of people who want to twist the emotions elicited by events to further their political goals.
Euthanizing children was one of the first things Hitler did.
Wow such a strong argument man u really convinced me wow i agree with you now amazing how you made such a good argument wow
>I'm not mad! YOU'RE MAD!: The post
Lol they wanted to go private they weren't even given an option but to watch their son die.
Thats your personal interpretation. Its likely you have never met the parents and only know them via media coverage. You don't know their feelings beyobd what is reported to you in the news.
Dont trust the news.
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This made me really rethink every time I've seen a story like this
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OWWW THE EDGEEE
>GO PRIVATE IF YOU WANT YOU STUPID PRICK
I do. Most people are convinced they don't need to (by useful idiots like yourself). They trusted the state, but then were prevented from going private until it was too late. Do you still not get that? (Pic related)
>parents don't care about their dying child
>only in this for the attention
I don't think you understand the basic human emotions these two have, just because you are some edgy fuck doesn't mean everyone else is, I mean you're browsing Sup Forums for fucks sake, this board in general crushes your ability to feel empathy and you have some sort of disposition to think everyone thinks like you as well. You must live in a dark world friend.
>Children is given Vatican citzenship
>Children is given US citzenship
>Money is raised to threat the children somewhere else
>EU court pretty much says - Just kill the children already.
The children are pretty much are owned by the state by now. The parents don't have a say anymore to threat their own childen with the money they raised. Suck more dick of the state that have been fucking you real nice. Enjoy the kebab my Ahmed friend.
Only jews would ever consider killing their own children. Maximum degeneracy.
First, do no harm.
Keeping that poor terminally ill baby alive in agony for no reason is doing harm. Lying to their parents about a miracle cure when said Yank snake-oil salesman hadn't even looked at the case notes did a lot of harm.
People saying "private sector fixes everything reeeeeeeeeee!" are doing my hangover some harm, too, so please stop.
What actually happened:
>baby was born with incurable genetic disorder that basically caused its brain to rot
>hospital reached point where no more medical options existed
>parents demands more treatment and wouldn't listen when hospital said there were none
>hospital went to court to get a ruling on what their legal obligations were
>courts said hospital had done everything they could and the baby should be allowed to die to prevent further suffering
>parents claimed there was a miracle treatment that would cause their baby to grow back a brain
>"independent" american doctor backs the parents
>miracle treatment had never been tried on a human
>miracle treatment had a 4% success rate
>in treating mice
>with an unrelated genetic condition
>parents demanded that their baby should be released from hospital so they could take it to America for creepy experiments
>hospital pointed out this was cruel and pointless
>parents began autistic screeching
>parents collected millions in donations
>parents got millions from newspaper and tv for their story
>retarded american evangelicals ignored the insane infant mortality rate in their own country and began throwing shekels at Charlie Gard's parents
>hospital tries to do MRI to prove baby is a vegetable
>parents try to sue to prevent this
>court allows MRI
>MRI shows that baby does not have a brain and is incapable of ever recovering
>"independent" american doctor admits he can't cure baby and only wants to do experiments on dying baby
>"independent" american doctor admits that he owns the company selling the miracle cure
>parents go back to counting shekels and planning their book deal and media tour
>mum considers getting a boob job and tummy tuck in memory of her baby
>dad works out how many hookers and how much coke he can afford with the $3 million advance he just got from his american publisher
Damn you're ugly.
And so what? You're not going to make me believe that you're feeling emphatic for this kid and not for the dying nigglets elsewhere in the world.
>inb4 they are nigglets
I know we are on Sup Forums, but still.
The issue here is not on the individual level. It doesn't matter to us, whether the kid dies or not after that experimental treatment. If the kid doesn't die then good for everybody. If he dies then yeah, there won't be any difference.
The issue here is how the State can ultimately decide on your child's life. It is not a matter to let him live forever in a vegetable state. They just wanted to give this kid another chance, few months more, to get this experimental treatment. They didn't expect him to get 100% cured. I don't think it's faire that the State can take away a life "just because". It is entirely hypocritical to say people care about the kid's suffering. Nobody really cares about that, they just wanted to get rid of him because "muh tax money".
Ultimately, the case was raised to another level when the US gave this kid permanent residence. Even with that, they didn't allow them to travel.
Now think about it, if the State can ultimately decide on your life, what's next? It's kinda like gay marriage.
As Céline, a French writer said, "You thought we were fucked in the ass for a few centimetres, but in reality, we were already fucked a few metres deep already". Open one small door for them, they will open the gate. It will only go further on, and people will approve it because it's the "law".
Nobody will feel responsible for his death because people will say that it's the "law" that won, that "law" is over everything. But the law is not protecting its citizens. Some bunch of, what, 500,600 politicians, judges are protecting the law in its highest level. And that very same bunch of politicians are corrupted, sometimes caught with pedophilia, drug abuse, and who knows what.
Do you really want that?
The people who made the decision to end Charlie Gard's care were not the politicians. It was the hospital itself (which, by the way, has some of the most respected medical staff in the world). I'm sure they knew what's best of him better than you or I did.
You're conflating state-run healthcare with politicians directly having a say in the treatment individual patients, which is ludicrous.
We have the United States as an empirical example of how a private healthcare system is inferior to a nationalised one.
Checks and balances.
They need to be everywhere. Our biggest threat as a nation and on a global scale is consolidation. Power corrupts, period. Everyday, power is working to retain power, no matter the industry. As companies begin to consolidate so do the big money donors and as a result so does our Government. Government controlled healthcare isn't what it appears. Sure it looks and sounds great but ultimately it's a tax siphoning scheme that will separate the wealthy from the rest until it reaches a point of no return. Government controlled healthcare isn't Government controlled when Big Business controls the Government.
Wake the fuck up you fucking liberal fucking retards. We are the anti trust
They needed a court to approve the doctors' decision.
Doctors are not law enforcers. If your doctor says you're fucked, what do you do? Try another hospital, just in case and nothing can stop them from you doing that. And that's how it supposed to be. Individual freedom over life and death is extremely important and nobody should give, not even the smallest, chance to any law enforcer to have a decision over you, especially regarding your own death sentence.
The fact that they needed a court to FORCE something is of course, related to politics.
that woman is too skinny to read a child and look what happens
dank yu
>We have the United States as an empirical example of how a private healthcare system is inferior to a nationalised one.
Honestly, do you really believe this? Do you also believe the NHS is one of, if not the best?
Do you have this "empirical" evidence? Because, as far as I'm aware, there are plenty of studies showing whatever the person wants it to show, and they come down to how you define quality.
In general, it seems like the UK population have equal access to mediocre healthcare (with the courts preventing anything more), while the US has "less equal" access to what is without a doubt the best healthcare in the world when you get it - hence why so many people from first world countries come to the USA, whereas the "health tourism" we get in the UK is mostly from the third world.
Did you fail Political Science 101?
It shouldn't be a big deal but American dick swinging propelled it to world news when they offered up a magic snake oil cure and legal issues ensued.
Try harder
There were checks and balances idiot. They came to the rational conclusion after much legal hassle and debate that the boy couldn't be saved and acting in the best interests of Charlie decided to pull the plug
>My kid is about to hit 4 months in a week and a half.
>Read up on this story.
>Heartache all around.
It's rough man. You never want to lose your child, but you don't want them to suffer either, but when you know there might be something out there that can save them, you try your hardest. It's like John Q; first you start working those overtime shifts, anything to bring in more money. Then you not only start working overtime shifts every day, but you start liquidating all assets, just to keep the treatment and your child alive. Then the crowd funding starts when you see he's getting worse and you can't get the doctor's or courts to do anything.
And then that's when you lock down the hospital, take hostages, and demand the right care and treatment. I'm actually surprised this scenario doesn't play out more often
Sounds like Charlie Gard was a wannabe starving African baby
Imagine if we had easier access to the United States.
God make the Anglosphere real :(
Its about the role of the state you mong.
The fact that these people actually raised the required money to give their child the health care they wanted AND MORE!
but the state said no for some bullshit reason.
If the kid was going to die anyway just let him have the operation / tests done for medical reason and advancement.
Fucking stupid.
Were the parents religious nutters like they usually are in cases like this?
My response went way over your head didn't it? Did you miss the point where I was speaking for my own country? Your country is too far gone, you already sold yourselves out and that's why you're in this mess. Your Governments responsibility was to that child and if it didn't factor into their profit/loss they should have stepped aside and granted the wishes of the family.
This is killing your ex so nobody can have her tier fucker and you're sipping it up like fine wine. I bet you can't wait until they mandate dirty vaccinations so they can siphon treatment dollars...rest assured that and the like are coming as soon as everyone turn in their pocket knives...you fucking pussy
Hi Ahmed. How are you today? Have you already done your daily prayers?
It's not about the baby, you stupid mountain-kike. It's about the government saying "We own your children".
Stalin faked the holocaust and I swear I will not rest until every single one of you jews and collaborators are dead.
According to niggers you have to be a religious nutters to care about your children, what a surprise
>But how is it possible - regarding all this suffering and dying in the world - that people give a shit about some random white baby?
People care more about protecting endangered species.
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