Socialized healthcare death panels are a right wing conspir-

socialized healthcare death panels are a right wing conspir-

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Wasn't it literally braindead?

> -acy
Without euthanasia of socialized healthcare the parents or the country will be balls deep in debt

No, just having iq of about 50

how much $$ did his parent make, like 3 or 4 million in fundraising that was never spent?

rubbish, the brain damage mitochondrial depletion causes means the brain couldn't process breathing or auditory senses. Thinking about "thinking" is pulling the cart before the horse. He didn't even have basic brain function, let alone consciousness.

Babies are SHIT.

Without googling, what was the name of the condition Charlie Gard had?

He barely had a brain at this point. Unless there is magic spell that can literally re-grow dead brain cells, the child was already dead.

no fucking shit, he died? what a huge unexpected surprise

Ruled to die by a panel of judges with no medical training.

>Unless there is magic spell that can literally re-grow dead brain cells

stem cells

Yes. The child had no chance of anything approaching a life. It was a vegetable being kept alive by machines and anything else was nothing more than the family's false hope and delusion.

>My name is Dr Schlomo Goldbergenstein, for the small price of $2,000,000 I can save your child's life

I personally would have just shut down th kids life support, but it was the familys choice. The government should have no say.

Happens in the US too.

Fleecing money out of parents of sick children is especially scummy.

Once again, you asshats can't see the woods for the trees.

Okay, I want you to think hard here. I know it's difficult, but try.
Okay, precedent is now set. The UK government has legally terminated a non-criminal life against the will of its caretakers.

Whatever you might think about the defective thing, realize the PRECEDENT IS SET.
In the UK who we all know has lately had the utmost respect for human life and the lives of its citizens by importing muslim savages to blow the place to kingdom come. Part and Parcel, you know.

Now I want you to run a simulation in your head. Where do you think this now legally-set precedent is going to lead, especially as MUSLIMS take over positions of government in the UK?

Think hard.

if that is true, why didn't they let the child go home to die? A hospice is for palliative care.

Their death panel didn't even make any sense.

>Ruled to die by a panel of judges with no medical training.
Judges who had expert advice from medical experts, who virtually unanimously supported the decision they took.

Leading doctors unchecked to make decisions are dangerous. The judiciary does have a role to play. In this case, they (rightfully) sided with the doctors

This kid was a drain on the NHS and the plug should have been pulled immediately when it was clear there was no viable option of recovery.

And the state shouldn't decide who lives and dies? They had the money, they had a doctor in the US that said there might be a chance, why could the state and 8 doctors stop the parents from trying a last ditch effort to try something?

Because the state wants to have absolute authority over life and death.

It's disgraceful.

Their house couldn't fit in the equipment.

>doesn't make any sense
Yeah, because you've not taken more than a second to think about it.

>could be using those machines to actually save lives but can't because the parents want to keep a vegetable alive
The kid was brain dead and nothing could've brought him back. Does it suck? Yeah but the parents were being selfish assholes.

The UK government did as much in this scenario as Charlie Gard did, which is literally nothing.

We actually have private healthcare in the UK in case you forgot?

You forgot, right?

Said parents didn't use private healthcare and wanted to sponge off taxpayers, they were told to fuck off.

It's quite simple really.

That's not how precedent works at all.

>And the state shouldn't decide who lives and dies?
It absolutely should!

>Their house couldn't fit in the equipment.
This. Not to mention, they don't have a right to use NHS equipment indefinitely free of charge. It is needed by other kids. It was clear he was brain dead, thus the plug should have been pulled even /if/ it could fit in the house.

They wanted expensive equipment loaned out to them (at our expense) to keep a vegetable alive for a few more meaningless days.

Qualified doctors and judges said "no"

The parents wanted the NHS to pay, don't be retarded.

This is funny. Recently a show was added to Netflix here in the US that is a BBC show called "Embarrassing Bodies". The show featured some specialist roaming the country in a van/studio and getting people to have embarrassing conditions checked out. the most shocking thing aside from some of the disgusting conditions was the fact that near ALL of the brits involved had been to a GP before the show. The quality of care was so bad they just told people "oh well" generally and these people were so desperate for help that they would go on tv and have hemorrhoids removed because its the only way they could get help. No thanks socialized medicine.

Hasn't there been a doctor in the news recently who has developed a technique for literally regrow ingredients brain cells? People were joking about it causing zombies. Sure, there would be no memories, but it's a fucking baby. It didn't have any memories yet anyway.

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Said parents didn't use private healthcare and wanted to sponge off taxpayers, they were told to fuck off

Except they raised several million and tried to take the child to the US, with their own money, and the hospital refused to let him leave.

It actually took the parents to court for the right to kill their son by withdrawing treatment against the wishes of their parents.

And the court allowed it.

>Their death panel didn't even make any sense.
It didn't, they would know this if they allowed the case, they kept insisting the child was brain dead yet also insisted it was in pain.

>Said parents didn't use private healthcare and wanted to sponge off taxpayers
>The parents wanted the NHS to pay
They wanted to move him to a different hospital out of the country and privately pay for the entire treatment, at least pay attention you stupid motherfucker.

>panel of judges
>private
Uh huh. Sure.
But hey, don't listen to me you fuckwit. When Dr.Hajib is telling Judge Al-Falwari in ten years to let your native sons die because "they're a drain on the system with their flu and labored breathing", don't complain. You literally welcomed it. And you don't even see it because 10-20 years down the road is too far for your tiny ant brain to comprehend.

You fucking people. I swear to God. OH, DID I SAY GOD?! I meant G_d. Sorry to offend.
You're your own worst goddamn enemy.

should've died months ago. Liquid brain, the parents will just have another one.

Stop reading the Daily Mail or Breitbart or whatever retarded sensationalist rag you think passes for journalism.

The parents would have used NHS equipment and funding for transport and keeping him alive in transport.

They would have spent my money transporting a clump of cells for Schlomo Bergstein's expensive Snake Oil treatment.

Qualified Doctors said "can you actually fuck off t b h"

It is not hard.

>The quality of care was so bad they just told people "oh well" generally and these people were so desperate for help that they would go on tv and have hemorrhoids removed because its the only way they could get help

It had nothing to do with the fact they had not sought help from a GP. It was that the self-consciousness meant that they did not do anything about it, because they thought they were wasting their doctor's time, etc.

On comes a show that encourages people to be forthright about "odd" and trivial conditions, and it just so happens these people reveal them.

For every 1 that gets filmed, many more go to that truck clinic and asked not to be.

Better than your fucked up system of demanding people pay to receive basic care. I doubt these conditions like hemorrhoids are even treated in your pathetic nation because of the ridiculously high price of healthcare.

Cuck.

The worst part is that they would have done anything possible to save a non-white child in the same situation.

It wasn't a human

>The parents would have used NHS equipment and funding for transport and keeping him alive in transport.
Actually they received offers from a Catholic hospital to transport him.

F

Classic brit bending over to get assfucked by muh authority figures

If the UK was a private system the little imp would've died months ago.

>still believing the burgerkike doc
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730974/US-doctor-offered-help-Charlie-Gard-speaks-out.html

Dr Hirano said today: 'I became involved in Charlie's case when I was contacted by his parents, and I subsequently agreed to speak with his doctors to discuss whether an experimental therapy being developed in my lab could provide meaningful clinical improvement in Charlie's condition.
'Unfortunately, a MRI scan of Charlie's muscle tissue conducted in the past week has revealed that it is very unlikely that he would benefit from this treatment.'

They literally said they had been to a GP. What the fuck are you arguing about? There were a few that didn't like the lady who was manually opening her own asshole with her hand but for the most part the people had sought previous treatment.

>who is terry schiavo

>The parents wanted the NHS to pay, don't be retarded.

That's an absolute lie. They raised over a million and were willing to pay out of their own pocket.

>At the end of January 2017, the parents launched an appeal on a crowdfunding website GoFundMe, seeking £1.2million to finance experimental treatment in the US. Just over two months later, their target was achieved.[25] By the end of April, before the appeal had run for three months, the total amount donated exceeded £1.3 million.[26]

So once again, they were willing to pay and take the choice away from the government, and the government wouldn't let them.

Why does the wishes of the government trump the wishes of the parents, especially when doctors in the US said there was a 10% chance it like help.

>socialized healthcare death panels are a right wing conspir-

They are.

They could have used private healthcare

They didn't.

End of story

Finished

Fin.

They didn't use private services and their """"child"""" was a literal non-entity, a pile of genetic waste disguised as a human.

They wanted to take my money to revive him with chakra crystals or whatever bullshit.

Some of the most qualified doctors in the world said it was a pointless endeavour and some judges came to the conclusion they can sit this one out and just let the doctors decision hold.

It's that simple. There's no muslims here you fucking mentalist.

he was a gook not a jew

Are you americans so cucked you don't even trust Doctors?

I don't suppose you would seeing as they charge you 10s of thousands of dollars for treatment that costs pennies here LMAO.

wow you're such a fucking drama queen

,,,
Daily reminder stop using kek

KEK was a kike plant

The God KEK was the Egyptian God of Chaos, The Mason/Illuminati motto is Order From Chaos

The song Shadilay and band PEPE with a magical frog on the album, and the fact that kikes own all the media and music labels
is no coincidence. The Shadilay song has the frog, magic and the word Jubal on the record label which appears in the old testament.
Genesis 4:21:And his brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all such as handle the harp and pipe

KEK is idol worship and occult period. There is no argument against this except by shills. The term "God Emperor Trump" was coined by them and is what is called apotheosis and is occult. I am a Buddhist so all of this is rather stupid to me but it doesn't change the fact that they believe in the occult and it's purpose which is to mock and draw people away from Christianty. Kek is sac religous idol worship if you are a Christian.

This is Biblical scripture:

Revelation 16:12-17—And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

The kikes are trying to lead the right under controlled op into occultism/race war

>Gook doc bypassing medical professionalism and offering questionable medical advice without seeing the patient
Sounds normal

Oh, that's ok then. Let's just let all that NHS money go to helping immigrants get IVF instead.

You fucking cuck. The parents raised the money and US doctors were willing to help, a last chance effort. Let's see you give up on a 10% chance to save your firstborn.

The government didn't like someone trying to take the law into their own hands, and fought tooth and nail to ensure that Charlie was sacrificed to the alter of social medicine.

Terry Schaivo's case was decided by her husband, her legal power of attorney.
Protip: To be power of attorney requires consent from whomever you're holding POA over.
That means both Terry and her husband agreed he was to decide her fate in a case. Not the government, not anyone but him.
No government in the US could have legally overruled him or her in that decision.

It is NOTHING like this case. At all.

It wasn't a scary socialized medicine death panel. It was doctors and courts deciding that it was pointless and therefore unethical to continue to force the patient to suffer when there was no hope either way.

Also this. The disease is genetic, progressive and incurable. It is not even possible to slow the progress of the disease. The child was going to die either way, and while it was alive, it was blind, paralyzed, deaf, severely mentally impaired and experiencing organ failure.

Others have already answered this question. Between the inability for them to provide the necessary level or quality of palliative care in their own home, it was provided by the hospital.

>they had a doctor in the US that said there might be a chance

That is absolutely false. Not even the doctors providing the experimental treatment made the claim that it would improve or cure his condition. The experimental 'treatment' offered by the U.S. hospital was more of a straight up experiment. The only positive outcome was going to be that we may have learned more about the disease. Meanwhile, the child would be suffering the entire time and unable to consent to such an experiment.

Jesus Christ, you shitsucking faggots, this isn't about the vegetable kid. No one with more brain cells than that dead baby should care about the condition or the kid's prognosis, and they should most definitely want the kid treated. That's because it's what the parents wanted. The state should have ZERO say on who lives and dies in anything but criminal punishment and wars. And you britfags won't even execute your criminals. Think about it, your judges won't put a murdering rapist to death, but they will kill a baby. Congrats, Eurotrash, you lost control to the government of every single aspect of your lives, including the right to life itself.

The objection at the time I think was to the way in which she was to die. It was basically starvation.

>t.alabama fag

I believe that all parties agreed that had he been allowed to go in January, when the high court case started, his prognosis would have been considerably better.

The six months of pointless legal battle did nothing to improve Charlie's case.

>a blind, deaf a dumb cripple dies

Shocker...

Part and parcel m8.
Get used to it.

Fucking faggots. You losers have no spine, no brain. Hell by rights... should not you be made to die? I mean you fucks clearly lack a nervous system.

>I personally would have just shut down th kids life support, but it was the familys choice. The government should have no say.

The government funds it. Why didn't they just spend the money they raised on life support of they thought it was so important? You cannot expect a system like the NHS to throw money at lost cases when funding is limited.

>They had the money

Ya, they just didn't want to spend it in the UK, because 'muh NHS should pay for everything'..

>They wanted to move him to a different hospital out of the country and privately pay for the entire treatment, at least pay attention you stupid motherfucker.

But in the mean time the kid was still on life support in the NHS for absolutely no reason but to foster the delusion of the parents.. And possibly to bait a few more donations.

If they really wanted all the things they said the wanted, they should have just fucking paid for them instead of expecting tax payers to do so.

>That's an absolute lie. They raised over a million and were willing to pay out of their own pocket.

The experimental treatment offered by some slimey American that 'would do anything to save this kid.... for 2 million'. They did not want to pay for the NHS support and care to get the kid there, nor did they want to pay for the equipment they wanted to take home to let the kid die there.

This whole ordeal was idiotic to say the least.
The kid was ill, so bad that even after the surgery he would have had a pitiful and miserable existence.

>Oh noooo we must help this poor child!!!!!!!!

Fucking no, there was literally no meaning behind trying to prolong his miserable existence, except the parents' feelings.

This. Kek is idol worshipping, thus degenerate and must be stamped out

im fed up with this world

>their """"child"""" was a literal non-entity, a pile of genetic waste disguised as a human

There's no chance you're not Jewish.

>That's because it's what the parents wanted.

Children aren't property though. You can't do with them whatever you please. There are lines drawn, and they exist in the world of medicine as well. It's not ethical for the parents, in their grief and desperation, to force this child to undergo more suffering than he has to, especially when his condition is incurable, terminal and completely robbed him of any quality of life whatsoever for the remainder of his short time.

>The court determined that Schiavo would not have wished to continue life-prolonging measures,[4] and on April 24, 2001, her feeding tube was removed for the first time, only to be reinserted several days later. On February 25, 2005, a Pinellas County judge again ordered the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. Several appeals and federal government intervention followed, which included U.S. President George W. Bush returning to Washington D.C. to sign legislation moving the case to the federal courts. After appeals through the federal court system upheld the original decision to remove the feeding tube, staff at the Pinellas Park hospice facility disconnected the feeding tube on March 18, 2005, and Schiavo died on March 31, 2005.

>the court
>judge
>president
>federal court

>decided by her husband
>No government in the US could have legally overruled him or her in that decision.

do fuck off

Cuz the parents were being illogical

That tato was dead

With all these negatives, that would not be a life, but being in a torturing prison.

But let's prolong his life because I love him. Fucking stupid cunts.

>all this reddit spacing
who can read this shit with an empty space between every fucking line, it makes posts massive
kys

>I think was to the way in which she was to die. It was basically starvation.

That's what you get when people get all anal about euthanasia..
>MUH GOD PREVENTS ME FROM KILLING PATIENTS DUE TO COMPASSION AND THE SANCTITY OF LIFE AN SHIET
>So we just pull out the feeding and hydratation probes and let the patient wither, like god intented

>They could have used private healthcare

They tried. In January. After raising over a million.

The hospital wouldn't discharge him, and took the family to court to stop them from taking him. Try literally cost the tax payment millions through a high court battle just to keep him in a hospital while he deteriorated and any potential treatment got less likely to help.

Six months later he was beyond the point of any help.

But hey, at least with his death the government still gets to decide who lives and dies. That's good, huh you cuck?

I think you're correct. It sounds bad, but it's not really that bad as long as you stay hydrated. In that state, your brain goes out pretty quick as glucose diminishes, and the lights basically go out.

It doesn't take weeks like in a normal healthy person, and indeed she passed pretty quick from what I remember.
A shitty situation, but it was still a private decision by family. The man she married. Making a choice like that ain't easy. Unless you're an asshole or bureaucracy(agency of assholes).

>sacrificed to the alter of social medicine

My mother works for the NHS and thinks those with money dying because the state cannot provide is a wonderful thing because of how 'equal' it would make everyone.

>It's not ethical for the parents, in their grief and desperation, to force this child to undergo more suffering than he has to, especially when his condition is incurable, terminal and completely robbed him of any quality of life whatsoever for the remainder of his short time.

No, user, you need to pay 2 million to the Yank doctor that never even examined this patient in order to prolong its suff.. eh.. Life.

>endless reddit spacing
>mile long post for 5 words
fucking get out
see the difference
dumb nigger
no gaps

The state, or more precisely, the medical professionals saw that there was no choice but to end his life in a humain way. The could not have improved on his current condition, that is why the decision was made. Obviously from then on it is just a waste of resources to keep something alive, that is already dead or subjected to a pitiful existence.

Muh anarchist friend you have no correct understanding of how medicine works, or altruism. You do not fucking try to keep a dog alive which was cut in half, you put it out of your misery. Being human is no exception from this rule.

>That's because it's what the parents wanted
of course the parents wanted their kid to live. that's what being a parent is about
unfortunately this sometimes means that parents do not exercise good judgement where their kids are involved
we could compare cases where parents who believe in "alternative medicine" e.g. homoeopathy have basically killed their kids by trying to cure what would have been easily treatable conditions that have become fatal because they gave the kid magic sugar pills instead of proper medicine

That's a 20 mil toddler

I'd kill my first born for 20 mil, just have another

Hey, Eurotrash cockfag, you forgot something. That was because it was the wishes of the next of kin, her husband, who made that decision. He decided it, the court ordered it, because we don't let the government here make life and death decisions about our families. We just don't suck government dick like you guys.

The world of rare mitochondrial disease research is small and the experts in the world-renowned centres know each other and communicate with each other regularly. It has been reported that GOSH approached Professor Hirano in January 2017 to explore experimental nucleoside therapy (NBT) and invited him to come to London to assess Charlie at that time. GOSH were preparing an ethics committee application to seek permission to use NBT for Charlie when his deteriorated in January.

independent.co.uk/voices/charlie-gard-gosh-hirano-would-he-have-survived-a7861531.html

It was already too late

Absolutely this.

>They tried. In January. After raising over a million.
A million which they then did not spend on the life support their son needed.
>The hospital wouldn't discharge him,
Because he was on LIFE SUPPORT. The couldn't even breathe on his own.
>and took the family to court to stop them from taking him. Try literally cost the tax payment millions through a high court battle just to keep him in a hospital while he deteriorated and any potential treatment got less likely to help.
There was 0 chance from the start.
>Six months later he was beyond the point of any help.
m8 the kid was braindead.
>But hey, at least with his death the government still gets to decide who lives and dies. That's good, huh you cuck?

Brits, as a country, decided that they wanted this to be honest. Don't want the government up in your medical system? Abolish the NHS and go for a private payer system or manditory insurance or something.. Don't suck the governments tit and then whine when said tit refuses to produce chocolate milk for you.

He couldn't keep himself alive
Machines were keeping his going
So he didn't die yesterday
He died many months ago
and that's if he existed to begin with

The whole thing is a giant psy-ops experiment IMO, the name "Charlie Gard" sounds so heart-melting and made-up, like little Timmy 'O Tool stuck down in the well.

>playground insult every few words
mate you're not capable of having a reasonable discussion

>we don't let the government here make life and death decisions about our families
every government in the world makes life and death decisions about the citizens of that country every day

what were his options exactly

>The state should have ZERO say on who lives and dies in anything but criminal punishment and wars

Except the NHS is 100% state run. That means the state has basically 100% control over patients in Britain, and as such DO legitimately decide who lives and dies...

You can't 100% lean on the NHS and then whine the government shouldn't have a say. Get private care if that's how you feel.
>inb4 they did
Then how is it the kid was in an NHS institution?

Feel bad for the very few remaining good Brits left, but this thread just proves that the overwhelming majority of your native population is so putrid that you deserve what's happening to you.

>You do not fucking try to keep a dog alive which was cut in half, you put it out of your misery. Being human is no exception from this rule.
I'm not arguing against this.
I'm telling you that now, it's "no chance to live".
In ten years, at the rate and direction your little Khalif is headed, White kids are going to start getting the treatment for simple pneumonia.
What part of "a group of people who hate you and are taking systematic control over your little socialist shithole of an island will be making medical decisions about your kids in a decade" do you not get? Or are you a hadji yourself? If you are, then please go join Muhammad getting buttfucked my pigs and lobsters in hell. Give that fag a reacharound, probably needs one by now.

Ethics don't eneed into it. Just like the husband of Terry Schiavo wanted the cord on that vegetable pulled and the parents wanted her alive, the decision was between those two parties of the family, period. The doctors had fuck-all to say about it, and the courts only decided which of those two parties was right. Medical decisions are made by the individual first, then the next of kin second, only after consultation by doctors. Ultimately, in a free society, the government and doctors cannot make those decisions for us. It that's not the case, then far worse things have happened than forcing one meat puppet to keep breathing.

>Poland

The kid would have died 4 years ago in Poland.

Maybe you need to look into some NHS care for your fried brain too, m8.. I heard a spot just opened up on the brain damage ward.

>Tu quoque

There is no way to objectively tell if someone is brain dead. It is subjective opinion of the doctor. Look up the truth about organ donating

Don't bother man. These people are a lost goddamn cause. Completely self-unaware.
Absolutely no ability to understand human nature or how things can change in a nasty way when you allow just a little bit of assholery to get a foot in the door.

Can't imagine the hadjis taking over the island will be the ones making these decisions in a decade.

>There is no way to objectively tell if someone is brain dead.
>It is subjective opinion of the doctor.
>Look up the truth about organ donating
this is why the world laughs at americans

Again, not about medicine. The doctors can inform the patient, and in this case the next of kin, but in a free society it is ultimately up to the patient to make decisions about their own level of care. If you can't make decisions about your own care, particularly life and death ones, then you are far, far worse off than some brain dead meat puppet being kept alive on machines.

Without Googling, it was a disorder whereby mitochondria DNA is prevented from replicating. Something like MDDS I think it's called (it's a class of disorders)

RIP ickle baby Charlie xxxxx taken from us too soon