Rationale behind leftism?

socialism, to a degree, actually can work. much like almost any other ideology, it simply requires the right conditions to be met

it requires a strong middle class with a well developed sense of community, as such citizens are more likely to endorse policies that involve civic support of each other in exchange for higher rates of taxation

it requires a health-conscious and mentally well adjusted public, as a poor choice in one's lifestyle is a literal burden on everyone else

it requires VERY little intersecterian friction, small gaps of income disparity, and low ethnic or nationalistic contention between minorities and the majority, or minorities and each other

a very important but often overlooked issue in this regard, socialism requires low existing crime rates. not only because it reduces national expenses on law enforcement staffing, penal system maintenance or courtroom work, but also because high crime rates reduce the level of mutual trust between citizens from the group all the way down to the invidual's level.
now, distrust will always create apathy (or sometimes outright hostility). as mentioned before, if the public's general outlook toward other citizens is set to "neutral" by default, socialism won't work without being physically enforced - which will create even more hostility between individuals, namely citizens and the state.

in short
socialism can work in Japan, 1970's Sweden or a small, tightly knit village or city-state.

It will not, however, work in the USA in any way better than it worked in Russia

So Nordic countries before being BLACKED?

getting blacked actually goes against the above
it increases wage gaps, crime rates, sets segregated communities that aren't remotely interested in giving back to the community, sets new astronomical expenses for the natives while making them distrust and care less about each other

That is what I was getting at kike.

Sweden has never been socialist (not that I'm defending socialism). The Nordic Model is social liberalism, which is not the same thing. The problem is that Sweden moved strongly towards progressivism, which came out of the Frankfurt school, and is essentially a new form of Marxism.

Fuck off. It was tried. It failed.

I can't read Bork Bork, what does it say?

It might appear to work for a while under these conditions, but subsidizing the parasitic class will invariably increase its size and eventually destroy the economy.

percentage of BNP made up by taxes

if these conditions apply, there can be no parasitic class to begin with. the point is that socialism isn't just a political construct but also a cultural and ethic affair
if there's a large group of free riders that don't want to give back to the community, as meme'd as it sounds, it's not real socialism.
and it's also the reason real socialism is near impossible to achieve with contemporary manufacturing technology because it still requires human labor

What does "real socialism" mean to you, because I don't think you actually understand the concept.

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>socialism can work

Only if you have the most transparent of governments, an honest media to report on them, and honest elections. Because if one of the above is missing then these nationalized corporations will just become landings for political operatives to parachute cronies into for a golden handshake.

This is what happens here. We have gov run insurance, power, and numerous other utilities. Problem is the gov just steals all the income from these utilities for themselves, and consistently jacks up the rates every year, higher than any private company in the world. They have to jack rates because there's no operating income left, it gets stolen for every budget.

Meanwhile the executive board, are all making like $1million+ in salaries and there's like 30 vice presidents and a dozen vice vice presidents. All political appointees sucking the gov teet

Of course if you have a large immigration population, they will also steal from these utilities because they're used to doing that back home, so every second Chinaman here and Pajeet is fleecing our services because they have no loyalty to this country.

tl;dr you need a perfect regime, and a perfect homogenous citizenry so it's not gonna work, ever

It means Jewish fantasies.

>so every second Chinaman here and Pajeet is fleecing our services because they have no loyalty to this country.
>loyalty
>country
You see, goyim, that's where it's your fault. They're being rational actors and you are giving your """country""" away.

It's your fault, dumb goy. Also take another 100,000 rapists or else you're intolerant!

Pervertism.

>Rational
>Socialist

>Pick one.

>Only if you have the most transparent of governments, an honest media to report on them, and honest elections.
are you still deluded buddy

how long does it take for you people that the stillborn is dead. It wasn't alive to begin with. There is nothing to fix, improve, or hope for.

well, I think of it as a catch-all term for all idegologies that involve government participation in market activity above a certain par coupled with high amount of government programs and public amenities, both funded with high taxation or sometimes outright nationalization of assets
I think it can go anywhere between Canada and the USSR's fully planned economy. point is that government officials decide where your money goes, especially for the benefit of other people

Social democracy already failed in the Nordic countries, and their welfare system and regulation has been rolled back even futher than USN levels, in some cases. But you won't be hearing this from Bernie.

>especially for the benefit of other people
I think we need a government that takes from the Jews and gives to the goyim.

oh and the "real" part is when in the public is genuinely devoid of free riders, the government isn't corrupt and truly devoted to the idology

basically I think real socialism is sustainable socialism

In China, the only people who are at all rich are those who can embezzle from the regime. Nobody has any relationship with their local gov officials there, as it's non representative communist dictatorship so when they come here, they immediately set about stealing as much money as they can from taxpayers as a collective whole, because we make it easy to do so as our country foolishly assumes nobody will steal from a food bank, or cheat on insurance in order to get a free $500 pair of sunglasses.

Here this is organized, so if you go to a Chinese owned store, they have like a dozen methods for you to personally drain all your potential government gibs and exchange them for shit like cash or whatever. For example we have a quitting smoking benefit where stores can sell up to $250 worth of nicotine replacement therapy shit per customer, so what they do is just drain everybody's health insurance card they have on file and split the income with them. So even if you don't smoke, they will offer you free $150 if they can use your card to bill for $250. Like 10 million immigrants are doing this every year, plus maxing out all other benefits.

My own family considers this theft, as we are white so it's bred into us from birth that taking shit you didn't earn and robbing your neighbor of his taxes is unethical behavior, but immigrants will never give a fuck because they don't have these ethics.

Again socialism can't work in any multi cultural society, or one with corrupt media.

>rationale behind leftism

Control of the peons for the people at the top. "Muh feels" for those at the bottom.


And I hate to burst your bubble. Socialism doesn't work in Japan or Sweden or anywhere. If the system you follow is not sustainable long term then it doesn't "work".

The flag says it all really.

Give some case examples pls.

Globalism makes shit harder for sure

Socialism only works for those few specific goods and services where free market redundancy, choice, innovative iteration can never work: namely roads and national defense. Possibly religion.

before the war national socialism worked just fine

That's because it was prussian socialism, aka crypto-keynesianism, not fucking marxism.

Well, that's not really what it is. Socialism is a Marxist form of society (and therefore a society in which equality is the highest value) in which the laborers are (at least nominally) in control of the means of production. The government is totalitarian, and the society has a command economy. In theory socialist societies are extremely globalist, rejecting the nation state and seeking to absorb or influence as much land and as many people as possible to spread the ideology (if possible). In practice, due to the totalitarianism strong socialist states tend to denounce other strong socialist states and their puppets as fake marxists or pseudofascists, considering themselves the only true marxists, which means they take on a sort of hyper-psuedonationalism, based around the party ideology. It is in theory supposed to be a transitional state that is supposed to move to communism, in which the government, and all forms of social hierarchy are dismantled.

Literally the only time it's "worked" according to Marxist apologists are countries were they claim that there weren't really famines/gulags/whatever, or where the country was completely unable to prevent itself from being invaded and conquered. Additionally, the fact of the matter is that even if Socialism COULD work, it would still be a shitty society to live in because it is by definition completely totalitarian and disregards people's liberties.

Before the bombing campaign national socialism worked*

I wouldn't talk shit about the allies if I were you, dumbass
muh slav unity and muh serbia in your home is literally the reason WW1 and versailles treaty happened

sage

>socialism, to a degree, actually can work.
Yeah nah brah. Prices, supply/demand, and other basic economic principles (like bastiat's window pane thing) disagree.

The rationale for leftism is that humans don't have a nature—that we are infinitely malleable and genes and evolution have little to no effect on human behavior.
Also, that everything is subjective and that there is no objective truth or reality or set of values that society must be in line with.
They also believe that everything is relative and has no inherent meaning or value. This means that nothing can be "better" or "worse" or "good" or "bad". And this means that anyone who does better in life is not actually doing better, or being good, or being more valuable, or productive, and they didn't/can't "earn" or "deserve" success: instead, they are privileged oppressors.

In other words, the fundamental irrationale of the left is postmodernism/Marxism (they're really two sides of the same ideological coin). It is completely, measurably, objectively false.

(Btw National Socialists are leftists. But while they ARE economic marxists, they're not cultural/social marxists. They're left wing authoritarians with some national pride, and that makes them considerably less evil than full blown commies... but it's still retarded. I urge natsocs to apply the same empirical rationalism to economics as they do to society/race/culture/nationalism.)


Tl;dr: RIGHT WING=CORRECT WING