I am currently reading "The brothers Karamazov" from Fjodor Dostojewski and I need advice what to read next. 19, from Germany, will vote for FDP.
I am currently reading "The brothers Karamazov" from Fjodor Dostojewski and I need advice what to read next. 19...
Jacob Perez
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Carter Cooper
Turner Diaries
Jonathan Garcia
> Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Nietzsche
> Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
Camden Hall
- Das Parteiprogramm der AfD
- Das Nibelungenlied
- Die Edda
- Faust 1&2
Blake Nelson
crime and punishment
gulag archipelago
Benjamin Murphy
The Gulag Archipelago
Samuel Moore
>1984
>Brave New World
Jeremiah Davis
Crime and Punishment
The Idiot
Stick with Dostojewski for a while, great books. Or maybe anna karenina, tolstoy is pretty based also.
Joshua James
Christian Kracht's Imperium.
Jack Baker
Just incase anyone isn't familiar, gutenberg.org has many classic texts in various ebook formats. I know "The Brothers Karamazov" is there, as well as many interesting texts from the US and French revolutions.
Jayden Bell
Green Eggs and Ham
Nathan Hernandez
War and Peace
A Confession
The Death of Ivan Ilyich
all by Tolstoy
Isaac Brown
Blood Meridian
Zachary King
Elijah Murphy
Mein Kampf
Easton Phillips
Either The Antichrist, or Beyond Good and Evil, by Nietzsche.
Nathaniel Gomez
Holy shit, look at all these posturing Russiaboo pseuds. Read something good, but more accomodating to your age bracket, OP. Don't be a fucking pretentious pseud like these assholes.
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Lucas Turner
No recommendations, user?
Zachary Fisher
Idiot. He describes through his character how he changed from a liberal and became a good person. It's more about the old Russian traditionalism but you will get the right idea.
Mason Cooper
>reading good books makes you a "pretentious pseud"
>here read this fantasyshit instead
no thanks user
Kevin Myers
>implying wolfe isn't pretentious cuck
Lincoln Smith
Agree 100% with all of these suggestions. Crime and Punishment first, tho.
Matthew Brown
No shit.
"I'm going to ignore your genre, your timeperiod, oh by the way, here's some shitty scifi for you!"
I'm a scifi fan, but doesn't seem like op is looking for it. If he is: Niven. Nice mix hard/soft. :)
Ryder Robinson
>Reading Brothers Karamazov
Spare your time and watch a video by Peterson.
>without god there's no objective morality
>without god and morality a person becomes a nihilist
>nihilism leads to anarchism
>anarchism without morality leads to bloodshed
>bel moral
>be a good boy
Evan Robinson
this, and Demons.
It basically contrasts Dostoevsky's old beliefs and the methods of 1840s revolutionaries vs. his beliefs after emerging from exile and the men of the 1860s. I don't want to spoil things by giving more information.
Fuck off, autismo, he can read whatever he wants.
Tyler Fisher
My favorite novel from Dostoevsky is The Gambler. Try it.
Nolan Cook
What did you think of Alyosha getting stones thrown at him by the kids? It seems like everypoe just loses all the time in that book. Ivan loses his sanity. The dad loses his life. Smerdyakov loses what little he had. The aggressive brother loses his post in the military. What a sordid, sad story, in retrospect, it was like masturbating with a turd for lubricant.
Wyatt Brown
thanks mate
Jeremiah Morales
Gee, thanks for the visual, lel
Grayson Smith
Isn't that the one he wrote while drunk as shit and literally trying to pay off his own gambling debts, so he rushed the fucker and churned it out in less than a month?
Gabriel Cox
Gene Wolfe is several degrees more redpilled and relevant than everything posted in this thread so far. Everyone who actually read any of his work actually knows this, unlike you, meme spouting pseuds. Next thing you'll be posting Iron Pill and Alt-Right "reading" lists full of shit books you didn't actually read.
Aiden Gonzalez
>writer explicitly advocates Russian Orthodoxy
>regularly insults jews, gypsies and polacks in his writing
>dostoijewski hahahahahahha rite guys
you fucking suck germany
Ryan Hughes
the stranger - camus
the trial - kafka
Dylan Bell
>wolfe
>redpilled
He is a catholic, thats a texbook bluepilled.
Juan Wright
>Dostojewski
why do people call him this? he was an anti-semite.
Blake Ross
If you want something more practical, here, the one book the Jewish Elites don't want you to read. That's why McLuhan, while being a genius-tier philosopher and philologist, remains academically unknown outside of advertising and marketing subcultures.
but hey fuck actually getting redpilled right? better block-read some musty old Russian classics so you can humblebrag in the next Le Baset Clen Room Man thread.
Austin Collins
Glad to help, hope you can find something useful there. I haven't begun to scratch the surface. Not a particularly sexy offering, but plenty of gems for the thinking man.
Robert Ross
Yep.
Luke Gray
i have read all of the books i recommended to OP, as well as countless other books. i dont know why you assume that anyone who claims to have read some of the most famous books of all time must be lying about having read them. huge numbers of people have read these books user, there is a reason why tolstoy is so famous
Ian Allen
> Centipede Press, a small independent fine press, produced a limited edition of The Shadow of the Torturer in 2007: one hundred copies, signed by Gene Wolfe
mah synchronicity?
Isaac Moore
Germanic pronunciation/spelling of the name Dostoevsky.
Nathan Reed
>will vote for FDP
why are you supporting the EU you fucking cuck, vote AfD
Hunter Jones
I'll have to read it, haven't gotten to it yet.
Oliver Ward
it's very misleading
David Howard
Because Russian classics is the biggest fucking meme a reading person can get hung up on, right along with David Foster Wallace and /lit/'s "le start with the Greeks". Let me tell you as a Russian, educated in linguistics and literature - you don't fucking get it and you will never will. It's a cultural exprot that isn't meant to be understood by non-Russians, especially Anglos with their completely alien Protestant and Catholic ethics.
Legit intellectuals start reading these when they're past 40, cause then you'd hopefully have the actual experience to comprehend some of what actually goes on there.
Chase Hall
fyodor was awfully prescient of the jq 50 years before the bolshevik revolution
Dominic Ross
This Confederate knows nothing about German politics, but yeah, fuck the EU! Not because I want a weak Europe, but because I want a STRONG EUROPE, with strong European nations and strong European citizens. Fuck the EU vision of USSR-lite!
Matthew Phillips
thanks for your opinion lol
Bentley Hernandez
but i enjoy reading them
Angel Edwards
Read something that challenges your beliefs, don't just read something because it's already in alignment with what you think you are. You have so much choice yet you stick to the tried tested bullshit?
You fucking pussy, end yourself before it's really begun
Xavier King
Crime and Punishment
The Idiot
But my favourite russian writer is en.wikipedia.org
Sebastian Richardson
Nice to know. This oldfag will pencil it on the calendar for next year.
Liam Parker
Hey no problemo bud, always a pleasure
Good for you i guess?
Now this guy, this guy right here knows what i'm talking about.
Jonathan Ward
I think that everyone on /r9k/ and some of Sup Forums should read Oblomov. Sums up the NEET life perfectly.
Ethan James
Fuck yeah! Try some top contemporary Brit lit! JK Rowling will blow your mind!
Jeremiah Hill
>Oblomov
He lays in the bed for 50 straight pages or more, depending on the edition. It's both fucking great and physically painful to not skim through.
Xavier James
Demons/Devils
Jaxson Harris
am reading this too, who's your fave character so far?
Gabriel Turner
Tao the Eternal Christ
Way of the Pilgrim
Alexander Sanchez
>pages
The proper way to read Oblomov is listening to an audio recording while lounging in your bed.
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Adrian Peterson
That may be the case. You sell it well and seem well intentioned, so I'll have to look into it. Haven't had a good fiction read in some time, so if it's as good as you say, it'll be a nice treat. Any book recommended as a starting point, or first published?
Austin Bennett
Start with the Book of The New Sun. Literarily it's on par with everything posted here, and the intricacy and depth of content will blow your fucking mind. It isn't hailed as the greatest contemporary English novel for nothing, without the genre considerations.
Cameron Collins
Can't blame the paranoid German, Jews are everywhere
Christopher Lewis
Read Dostoevsky if you like boring, moralistic tirades telling you to submit to God and the Czar.
If you're after relavant and interesting prose that challenges your beliefs, why not give Kafka or Camus a try?
Caleb Sanchez
>not post-ironically reading CIA disinfo packages for retards and schizophrenics
top pleb
Anthony Harris
>Kafka
>challenges your beliefs
>bureaucracy is shit
>if you overwork like a good goy you end up miserable
I thought these are common sence.
Isaiah Young
did u check your attic tho?
Nolan Watson
Reading Jewish literature? Really?
William Robinson
You will see what you are in what you read. Just like the femminist only have their femminist lense.
Robert Roberts
Dostoevsky would spit into your face if he were still alive.
Projecting little megalomaniac.
Lincoln Wright
Machete Time,
It's an account of the Rwandan genocide featuring a series of interviews with the perpetrators. Harrowing stuff, they aren't remotely sorry but it's a great insight into how to compel violent behaviour from your own kind
Jeremiah Ross
>Dostoevsky would spit into your face if he were still alive.
Lol who the fuck cares. Shut the fuck up, diaspora cuck.
Gabriel Phillips
this, a hundred times.
I had to read it for one of my classes in international relations. I'll have to dig the exact title of a similar book I cited from a bunch on one of my papers regarding Yugoslavia, likewise featuring a shit-ton of interviews with soldiers and citizens from both sides. It's really fucking interesting to see people explain their thought processes in these cases.
Cracking open the old (dead) external drive I put all my papers from undergrad on, gonna' finally run a SATA cable to it and hope it still works.
Evan Ward
That's great and all but are you learning anything from it or are you just reading because you think it makes you look smart?
Ethan Bennett
Just saying, it's one unfortunate turn of events after another. What is it with 20th century Russian literature and their capacity for the deepest sense of sorrow?
Cooper Bennett
People keep posting meme books like The Prince and Art of War in the "le redpilled reading lists" to it's probably the latter.
Alexander Lewis
I read Crime and Punishment and I felt I grasped some of the themes and concepts it was trying to put across, I'll concede that it'll have a quality to it for Russians that simply doesn't come across to others but I think that happens with all literature, I think the same of 1984, like people can well appreciate what it's saying about totalitarianism but what makes it extra scary to read for a Brit is the faint familiarity of Britain you can feel in the writing, that makes it seem all the more real someday our green and pleasant isle could be this terrible, and I'm sure the same goes for people all over the world - the literature that's domestic to your nation will always have a certain familiarity and understanding other races can't really get, but it doesn't mean a Spaniard can't read Dostoyevsky and enjoy the read and take something to think about away from it, surely?
Of course, maybe I'm not getting what you're saying since you are educated in these matters whereas I just read as a pastime
Christopher Howard
19th century, user.
Most of 20th century Russian lit is fucking socialist realism (the most absolutely fucking boring dreck you will ever read), all the good stuff was stashed away in drawers until the authors croaked.
Leo Clark
Untergewehr by Bernhard
or
Korrektur by Bernhard
Thank me later
Wyatt Cox
I'm not saying it's some indecypherable enigma, but these books are very topical and contextual to the time and sociopolitical climate they were conceived it. Sure, they contain some lofty ideas that can be appreciated by anyone and are a testement on a purely literary level, but even then calling them "timeless" is a misnomer, since they are very obviouslty dated and make the people trying to interpret or transplant their messages like LARPing fools.
I'm deeply convinced that the majority of Russians can't unfuck themselves and have self-destructive personalities because we keep teaching kids Dostoyevsky in school when they are obviously not ready to deal with it.
Nathan Clark
Oops, that's what I meant. I've read Chekov/Stanislavski, Tolstoy, Dostoeieieiebdieiski, a few others... like Dr. Zhivago... they had happy moments, but overall, just so incredibly harsh and grey. If that's even remotely what Russia is like, I don't know how they keep it together.
Joseph Ross
Anna Karenina or War and Peace
Don't start with TSZ; terrible advice. Don't even start with Nietzsche if you haven't read philosophy before. If you absolutely must, start with Beyond Good and Evil.
Matthew Reyes
>LOOK AT ME I'M A PHILISTINE.
Nolan Johnson
Senpai, it's time for you to move to best - Mikhail Bulgakov
Gabriel Hughes
kys
Julian Bailey
Haha, another triggered pseud. How is your day going my friend? Block - read any more "timeless classics" because some e-celeb said so? Shadilay my brother in kek :^)
Asher Walker
>19
I'd say come back in a year or two. Also, read Crime and Punishment first.
Jackson Morgan
What a retarded statement, Russians are self destructive because of Dostoyevsky.
Dostoyevsky makes them do it. But I've read most of his works and I fail to see where he advises for self destructive behaviour.
He advises for Christian behaviour and shows the dangers that the Jew poses to society.
You are either a Jew yourself or you have been brainwashed by them.
Just because you are living in Russia doesn't make your opinion on it more valid than mine.
You know, those themes Dostoyevsky constantly circles around are not alien around here too.
Wyatt Johnson
Recommended reading? Also, should I wait to read some Gogol and Nabokov first, or skip ahead?
Jaxson Young
>muh redpilled literature
Fuck off
Gabriel Taylor
>Gulag Archipelago
>Good book.
Jaxson Long
You really do need to neck yourself.
Kayden Lewis
>will vote for FDP.
Kill yourself
Jaxson Barnes
Meditations is required reading for any male adult.
Just make sure to read the newest translation by Gregory Hays.
Letters from a Stoic by Seneca is also a must OP
Michael Scott
>He advises for Christian behaviour and shows the dangers that the Jew poses to society.
Dostoyevsky was a fucking degenerate gambler and a shizophrenic. You immediately became triggered about my post precisely because you're a Saxon that doesn't understand how true Russian psyche works, and why Doestoevski enables the worst parts of it. Hur dur muh Jews, you're a Jew, every opinion i don't like is a Jew. Do you know that Doestoevsky's coverage of JQ is miniscule compared to other classical Russian writers? For goodness sake, Turgenev has a novella that's literally called "THE KIKE"? Stop talking shit about things you don't know nothing about.
Wyatt Evans
Try reading Where the Red Fern Grows as a kid... shit fucked me up.
Easton Carter
Master and Margaret, The Life of Monsieur de Molière, On The Run.
Jackson Campbell
I think I understand what you're saying better now and I'd be more inclined to agree, I did enjoy the book for the story and for the moral questions it raises, but I see your point that maybe they need to be fully appreciated in the context of Tsarist Russia that they were written in? And also that the cynicism (might not be the right word, fatalism probably fits the bill better) in these books is uniquely Russian and until an outsider is at least somewhat familiar with Russian culture, attitudes and history they won't understand Dostoyevsky too well? Because I can definitely agree there although again I aint an academic I read as a hobby so I don't want to put words in your mouth. How old are the kids when they read Dostoyevsky? I'd imagine you're right about that, I liked the book but kids don't need to read about people beating old women to death, drunks being supported by prostitute daughters and brutally abusing donkeys.
Jonathan Butler
I would read more Turgenev, but I'm afraid his descriptions of feet might make me salivate.