Civic nationalism and multiculturalism

What's the difference? Is there any?

It's an improvement desu sempai. You retards need to learn to take what you can get for once.

Why is it an improvement? Care to expand on your thoughts?

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Every Nigger now becomes a Hard working Republican

>Nigger
>Hard Work
Kek

Do you hate blacks for the way they act or the way they look? If it is the former, then you should be a civic nationalist. If it is the latter, you are basically a nigger as the mere presence of someone who looks different from you is enough to send you into an animalistic rage.

>one white guy in a pool filled with blacks
>OP assumes that it's all the blacks who are invading the white guy's area

can't make this shit up desu

The way they act is tied to the way they look, because of genetics.

You will not fix niggers.

Even if niggers had 0 problems, the interbreeding is still a concern.

Civic nationalism unites people
Ethnic nationalists also divides people
Multiculturalism destroys people

There is plenty of difference on paper, but civic nationalism will always turn into multiculturalism over time because of biological reality.

Civic nationalists are just cowards who won't go all the way because they're afraid of being judged.

By the time you move to establish the 4th reich there'd be no white people left. Only a silly goy would play by the jewish rules.

As opposed to what? The point of the image is that there's no difference between "taking what you can get" and losing absolutely.

The niggers don't hate/want to rob you

>Ethnic nationalists also divides people
Those divisions are created by nature. The nationalist is simply aware of those divisions and rather than dreaming of a utopia deals with reality.

None, both have nothing to do with whites.

Civic nationalism posits a unifying political mindset. People might speak different languages at home or have different religions, but they agree on how the state should be constituted, know the same national myths, have the same aspirations for their nation, are all willing to undertake national service, etc. Immigrants can maintain most expressions of their culture, but are expected to adapt to Our Way of Doing Things.

Under pure multiculturalism, none of that happens. The state and the national mythos are plastic, and they change to adapt to incoming immigrants. Some groups of immigrants may despise the existing national myths or try to replace them with their own, see the state as an oppressor, try to change the role of the state in society, etc. And this is just fine, because it's an expression of their culture, and the multiculturalist cannot favor one culture over another.

None of that happens under civic nationalism either. It's a myth. Someone who doesn't even speak the same fucking language as you is not going to be in unity with you.

>Ethnic nationalists also divides people

I'd say more accurately that ethnic nationalists separates people.

>Someone who doesn't even speak the same fucking language as you is not going to be in unity with you.

Then why do I keep seeing these Nazi LARPers on Sup Forums who can't speak a lick of German?

Even that is unfair, because people are separated by nature. The knowledge that a nation is a grouping of people bound by common race, religion, language, history and customs was a very common knowledge until a few decades ago when the Jews took over every aspect of media and education. Ethnic nationalism is the norm and always has been, it is the civic nationalists and multiculturalists who are the freaks.
Do you think blacks, especially what appears to be African blacks, could build and maintain that pool?

I got one better.
>nigger
>father

I always wondered why the reason there's so much fuss around what civic nationalism is (which I still can't figure out since no one can agree upon it here)

It seems that the most Americans on here want the US to be like Europe, well Europe pre-WWII anyways demographically speaking, while Europe today is trying to be like a US style melting pot.

I don't think it can work either way, the US is not Europe and Europe is not the US despite what the emotional people on Sup Forums may think. You've got to defer to the history of both Countries/Continents to see that one is not like the other.

The United States was never founded as a "melting pot". That is a Jewish myth.

There is no difference.Civic nationalism is a form of multiculturalism

Not founded but it became one eventually but like I think you're implying, not for non-Europeans. Personally I wonder how many White Americans would be rejected from a European Ethnostate because their family history looks like pic related.

>tfw CAPTCHA says GOYSTADION

Nature vs nurture.

Asian-Aryanism is the only answer.

Starship Troopers is the only workable form of CivNat Tbh

>eventually

In 1965.

Add a little bio-eugenics and bam, anime becomes real life

>Hafus will rule the world in your life time

Feelsgoodman

All we need is Bugs to fight

>not the early 20th century
>Leaf not knowing history

fucking dumbass

Forgot pic

Civic nationalism is based on a tolerance for other ethnicities, not for non-compatible cultures. Do not conflate the two.

Multiethnic societies can and do work, multicultural ones, generally speaking, do not.

Why doesn't isreal except multiculturalism?
Why is it only the white nations even care?

>All we need is Bugs to fight
The Jew

The difference is clear
civic nationalism restricts and reforms immigration, shuts down migration and population replacement

and white nationalism is where edgy teens larp as nazis to support the attempt of the elites to start a race war.

one is helpful to humanity and would in a practical way ensure a future for white children. the other is edgy retardation that fails at best and lets the elite play us like puppets.

the rising awareness of what white nationalism actually is has started this shill spawned backlash against civic nationalism

None whatsoever
Civic nationalism is the cowardice of cuckservatives afraid to speak the truth

This.

Way to much misunderstanding, whether you agree or not, on what civic nationalism is.

ITT /ptg/ fags and cuckservatives attempt to defend their jewish ideology

Culture is the flower, biology is the root. Culture and ethnicity go hand in hand.

Multiculturalism is the idea that

>Foreigner migrants and their descendants ("ethnics") must never be culturally integrated into their new country
>Descendants of foreign migrants should speak the language of their parents, not of their home country
>Ethnics should practice the culture of their ancestral homeland, not their home country
>Ethnics should live in communities of their ethno-religious brethren
>Ethnics should have business associations, schools, and religious institutions that serve only their ethnic group
>Ethnics should have courts/judges/laws just for their ethnic group, so that they are treated according to the customs of their ancestral homeland
>Ethnics should be full citizens with full voting rights

It's basically segregation with a friendly face.

Civic nationalism on the other hand is the idea that
>Every political nation ultimately becomes a cultural nation
>Every citizen should integrate into the culture of their nation
>Every citizen should be proud of and happy to live in their home nation
>Ethnicity doesn't mean shit

It's basically nationalism, without ethnic nonsense

Also ITT: faggots trying futilely to turn back the clock to the 1930s and throw away an real chance to push back against actual problems.

Go outside, autist.

The difference is that multiculturalists suck off any BASED BLACK MAN while civic nationalists will only suck off BASED BLACK MAN with red hats.

Those aren't happas, they're a couple of Eastern Europeans who did a shit ton of plastic surgery to look like Barbie. Shocker, not all big eyed art comes from Japan.

No difference. Both support globalism

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Bullshit. We know there are outliers within statistical analysis of races. To pretend like there isn't is just choosing to be inaccurate in your worldview for the sake of convenience

>It's basically nationalism, without ethnic nonsense
spoken like a true mud

Civic Nationalism only works with Americanism

The degenerate parasites have to be allowed to fail and the good heroes need to be able to defend themselves at all times

FinalPilled American Civic Nationalist here, AMA

Civic NYAAAAAASHONALIZM

>judging people by how they space their sentence instead of actually reading what they have to say
Honestly, everyone is preferable over you cunt

As it should be. The American idea is based on individual autonomy and autonomy requires responsibility. Those who do not take responsibility fail. It doesn't matter what color they are.

>mud

What did he mean by this.

>It doesn't matter what color they are

Considering it's likely a collectivist, it's probably some faggy Harry Potter reference.

Wahh what about my black friends?
If society was changed it can be changed again
You are simply another kike who wants to mix the world into a brown mess

>shuts down migration and population replacement
lol no it doesn't not when the massive non-white population thats already here can out bred the native population.
>the rising awareness of what white nationalism actually is has started this shill spawned backlash against civic nationalism

No alt-lite faggot when 90% goddamn percent of the Republican party is white how on earth can you deny that race matters! That is why white nationalism exists because even a libertarian that simply wants to be left alone can see that its a bad idea to have a huge population of liberal voting non-whites.

Civic nationalism is fine in theory, but it can't function in a PC society. This is because there is no pressure to assimilate.

If the democratic party is totally wiped out, PC culture is repressed, and immigration is reeled in, then civic nationalism could work. That's the most realistic end game.
People who want to go full on gas the kikes and hang all blacks just aren't being realistic.

You need to realize that to get rid of stuff like race-mixing, you need to follow step by step.

Such thoughts are considered to be radical today, thus one needs to get on a track which starts with minor right winged thoughts, and increasingly gets to spread to other issues and views on one's worldsight, which will eventually lead to the main goal

>Has a rapefugee problem in his country
>bitches about conceptual ideologies online instead of doing anything about it

You should be happy to even have civic nationalism at this point, Sven. I wouldn't be talking if I were you.

Anyone can flood into my country and replace me as long as they do so legally and are FUCKING BASED Trump supporters.

It sounds like "civic nationalism" is just another word for "patriotism".

Having to read reddit spacing is a violation of the NAP now thanks to me they might stop that annoying practice.

>t. 56%
You have a spic problem, Ja'quan.

You chimping out on something so pointless is an eyesore more than spacing a sentence will ever be.

As opposed to having all the niggers voting for globalism.
Between having a country filled with niggers, spics, and Jews all voting to steal your money (MC) and those same niggers and spics voting stealing less of your money (CN), I would pick the one latter. But neither a pure white country or expecting niggers to vote outside of their own self interests is realistic.

>has a demographic problem
>bitches about how murica is about muh freedom and equality and muh opporunity instead of doing something about it
It goes both ways, you know.

Yeah but your change is fucking retarded and has no logical basis. You're literally the next fundamentalist christians autistically shouting nonsense. If 20 years, you're going to be standing on street corners handing out pamphlets asking people accept Hitler into their hearts.

It's a shame too, because many of the points that are brought up here are legitimate. There IS a war on white people. There IS a lot of fuckery surrounding Israel. Mainstream leftism IS a fucking cancerous ideology at the moment. You just make extra steps that you don't have logical grounds to make and pretend it's all cogent because some of it is.

This is why you're ultimately going to fail and it will be your own fault.

Civic Nationalism can only work when there is a hard pressure to assimilate, the different races are high IQ enough to actually work, and they all have shared experiences.

Basically imagine starship troopers but with no niggers.

you're being outbred due to first and second generation immigrants from poor countries. immigration control can do something about that within a couple generations. larping as a nazi can't.

Assimilation is a civic nationalist lie
the races have intrinsic differences

It's literally Communism.

>"Gee, goys! I sure love this country! But don't y'all think we should accept anyone who wants to live here and try that brand of national socialism? Basically anyone international can live here and we'll adopt socialism? Sort of like Communism, but we'll wear MAGA hats because words speak louder than actions!"
>[Hand rubbing intensifies]

Your outliers will not produce outliers. Import as many Based Somalians as you want, see what happens.

America had always embraced civic nationalism as a core American value until pretty recently, like in my lifetime and I'm not even 30 recently.

No, we have a cultural problem propagated by collectivists; namely postmodenrist neo-marxism. What I will NOT have happen is for that movement to be smashed apart and another equally retarded collectivist ideology to take it's place.

You wanna make europe white? Be my guest. Leave the U.S. out of your authoritarian shit.

It's an improvement because they are under one banner. They have the same beliefs. An ideology. In the first one, they have nothing.

You think a nignog trump supporter would support destructive marxist politics? Think they would riot at a BLM rally? Think they would continue the same destructive path? Think they would cry for the gimmedats for the single mothers which enable the destruction of the American family?

I think not. IQ notwithstanding you can change a lot if you change the frame of mind.

Of course you probably would if you think they are subhumans which at a moment's notice would tear your face off like a chimp. But see animals have patterns. They got reasons for what they do even if they're terrible ones. And I'd prefer a chimp on my side than to strive for some autistically driven utopian ideal that's driven by sexual insecurity and inevitably fail because a mongolian pottery forum told me it was the only way.

You whine about we need more whites, we MUST have more whites. At the same time acting like a bunch of purity spiraling jackasses that want to project Europe's problems and many failures onto the United States and dilute the idea of what it means to be white.

It's an improvement. Just because you don't get exactly what you want all the time doesn't entitle you to screech autistically at the system that's going to be the best you're going to get.

>the natural state of peoples and the way it has been for the vast majority of human history is a "retarded collectivist ideology"

What did r/thedonald mean by this?

What extra steps? Separating races is literally Hitler?
Other races WANT to leech off of white society and thus must be placed in their own societies forcefully if necessary
Trying to moderate that white societies are for whites is a surrender and failure condition

Assimilation is a cuckservative lie
Races have intrinsic differences

Working on it you impatient nigger. The good ones will stay.

American Civic Nationalism is the next step in societal evolution

Multiculturalism(eventual racemixing) and white supremacy(eventual inbreeding) must be avoided as two sides to the same heebcoin.

AMA

>you can't throw out every non-white person in america without violence
this is fact, they're not gonna leave because the 0.05% of the population that are white nationalists asked them to

the elites want to lure you into a race war, that you will lose. and in response to your violence they will have popular support for laws and regulations that further restrict liberty.

basically through this race war they will shut down the right, and you are a puppet playing along to this. it's an obvious trap.

white nationalism is a trap to stop the threat of civic nationalism. white nationalism fucks up the best chance to help white people in decades. white nationalism is anti-white.

It's nice to see someone with sense on Sup Forums every once in a while.

Are you fucking retarded? For one, I'm a capitalist, not a socialist. Secondly, anyone who espouses socialism is playing into the hands of communism. The first thing communists do is try to establish socialism so they can later establish communism.

They never get to communism because the state fails before that point. If there'\s a jewish conspiracy, they're using NatSocs to push faggy socialism to undermine valuable systems that support autonomy. Instead of lookin at that very real problem, they're too busy bitching about "muh 56% demogrpahics", "Muh black IQs", "Muh degeneracy" and not actually doing ANYTHING about ANY of it.

This is why right wing socialists are just as big of rubes as berniefags; somehow believing their magical fairyland will happen if they can just relinquish enough control to the right people.

Communism as a global concept cannot justify placing the interests one's country over any other, though, as it ultimately seeks a unified global government. Civic nationalism/patriotism still has the capacity to admit that nations exist as feudal units, and that the wellbeing of one's country requires the exploitation of raw resource and/or human labour, ultimately seeking to saddle that burden on non-citizens.

Were working on our problems

When we elect Hillary, laugh as we burn plz

If you think whites would lose a race war you are absolutely delusional. The last thing the (((elites))) want is internal warfare. They want a boiling frog scenario.

>Implying the vast majority of human history wasn't a fucking shitty time to be alive compared to what we have now.

>white nationalism is anti-white
Could this be the final blackpill?

Weve had enough

Were coming back to correct your faggots records

>Unironically being a civic nationalist
go back to /r/the_donald

You don't have that advanced medicine and computer technology because of Patriotic Mestizos.

99% of whites will not be willing to fight a race war. it will be the radical nazi edgy faggots vs everyone else. you will lose. as planned by them. and in the process the entire right will be demonized and civic nationalism, our only realistic hope, destroyed.

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Communists all think that they'll fight in the revolution and then be made supreme leader. They never consider they'll be the ones digging ditches afterwards

Ethnic nationalists all think they'll shitpost on the internet and play videogames and watch anime during the revolution, as the chads who bully them their whole lives kill all the non whites, people are are their neighbors, who they've grown up with.

Exactly
Neocons take your country and make it into a commodity and then they start changing its traditions to market it to the lowest common denominator
Western countries aren't sovereign nations anymore but rather hotel chains

This is a D&C thread. Sage. Civic Nationalism is one step towards Ethno Nationalism. It's part of the normie's path.

This could ALL be solved by more freedoms. As I mentioned above; the ideal system is one in which those who take responsibility flourish and those who do not perish. Your entire worldview is predicated on the idea that white people necessarily take responsibility and non-white necessarily do not. This is a fallacy because it does not accurately portray the entirety of the situation. That's why a freer system that rewards merit, ignores ethnicity and lets people fail is the best solution.

>99% of whites will not be willing to fight a race war. it will be the radical nazi edgy faggots vs everyone else.
By definition that is not a race war. In a real race war, the pink haired SJWs will be fighting alongside neo nazi skinheads because their pet minorities will attack them on sight. In a race war your skin is your uniform.

You're also delusional if you think that white nationalists are trying to start a race war. They are largely advocating policies not that different from civic nationalist cuckoldry because they understand you have to start small and shift the overton window.