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Asher Diaz

CATHOLIC GENERAL

Everyone is welcome.
Discuss news, ask question, give answers, be kind to one another, and above all assist one another in living the virtuous life.

Today is the Seventeenth Sunday in Ordinary Time

Here are your daily readings
usccb.org/bible/readings/073017.cfm

Community links, such as recommended media, are now below in pastebin links. Remember to recommend things to add to the lists!
>Catholic Encyclopedia
newadvent.org/
>Online Breviary
divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/horas/officium.pl
>Directory for Finding a Latin Mass (U.K)
lms.org.uk/mass-listings
>Directory for Finding a Latin Mass (U.S/Can)
ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm
>Directory for Finding a Latin Mass (Ireland)
latinmassireland.com/mass-listings/
>Laudate App
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aycka.apps.MassReadings&hl=en
>Recommended Movies
pastebin.com/xAL9w4fk
>Recommended Books
pastebin.com/K8DUUPdC
>Recommended Music
pastebin.com/dgqjiSgs
>Beauty of Creation
pastebin.com/VKGZEvXK
>Tales of Love and Virtue
pastebin.com/Qt3RUsXA

July 30, 2017 - 12:53

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Eli Foster

>From the pastebin Beauty of Creation

This is an ever-growing list of videos, stories, and images of all creation, life, and the world. Enjoy them as they are, despite the small list we're starting with. Feel free to recommend additions to the list on Catholic or Christian Generals.

>Earth Fly-By, thanks to the International Space Station
youtube.com/watch?v=0tHqov_UHYA
>Symphony of Science playlist
youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc&list=PLB851C39AD031B643
>The Earthporn website
earthporn.org/

>From the pastebin Tales of Love and Virtue

This is an ever-growing list of videos and stories that touching, sweet, and relevant to Catholic Generals as they are all triumphs of love and/or the human experience. While many would refer to some of these videos as "sad", we cannot forget that these tales are all about love in the face of struggle and the victory despite of it. Feel free to recommend additions to the list on Catholic or Christian Generals.

The church carries with it the greatest of human stories in its 2000-year-old history: The story of the saints, the champions and role models of the Christian faith. This first section will be on them and the second will be other links.

>Saints of the Orthodox Church playlist (shared by the Catholic Chuch)
youtube.com/watch?v=qVX1HOxrDcw&list=PL0AwxAWi5VQ33OaRuyXmi1mlpmSggxp7V
>CCTN's Discovering Our Saints
youtube.com/watch?v=-wzAedYHtwg&list=PLDDDABC497B5B4E93
>Mini-Saint Encyclopedia ran by Catholic Online
catholic.org/saints/

>Other

>Thai Insurance Commercial Playlist
youtube.com/watch?v=632CHpeHYZE&list=PLMt780CWP13md-G-vmF2t-Aq2QqcmRn6A
>Wisdom Commons website
wisdomcommons.org/virtue/153-virtue/lifestories

July 30, 2017 - 12:53

Jacob Cooper

Friendly reminder that the inner circle of catholicism ain't what they say.

youtube.com/watch?v=CSHenSfLh2s

That being said their songs in latin are quite nice. youtube.com/watch?v=KiM9uJIN64g

July 30, 2017 - 13:00

Eli Rodriguez

Christian music list. The first list is modern music, the second is hymnals and more traditional music. Feel free to recommend additions on Catholic and Christian Generals.

July 30, 2017 - 13:01

Sebastian Ramirez

Traditional Music

July 30, 2017 - 13:01

James Lewis

For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

Constantine found that, with the Roman Empire being so vast, expansive, and diverse, not everyone would agree to forsake his or her religious beliefs to embrace Christianity. So, Constantine allowed, and even promoted, the “Christianization” of pagan beliefs. Completely pagan and utterly unbiblical beliefs were given new “Christian” identities.

When the Western half of the Roman Empire collapsed in 476, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus. Pope Gregory I, ruling from 590–604, is usually considered the first bishop to truly wield papal authority.

July 30, 2017 - 13:04

Ryder Garcia

...

July 30, 2017 - 13:04

Elijah Reyes

Catholics are worse than atheists.
Sola Fide, motherfuckers.

July 30, 2017 - 13:05

Brayden Stewart

Why do you keep coming here when this place is a haven of godlessness, vanity, pride, willful ignorance, etc.?

The highest aim of the people here is to tear one another down and exploit insecurities. Long ago you ought to have kicked the dust off your feet from this place.

July 30, 2017 - 13:06

Nicholas Martin

Protestant here, what's the deal with saints?

July 30, 2017 - 13:06

Easton Scott

I give this thread 23 minutes until it turns to shit by pagans, starting NOW.

July 30, 2017 - 13:07

Brandon Price

Where better to be than among lost souls? If the name of the game is spreading the good word, it makes sense

July 30, 2017 - 13:08

Jace Watson

>17th Sunday in Ordinary Time

I think you mean 8th Sunday after Pentecost, fix yourself

July 30, 2017 - 13:12

Lincoln Rivera

Preaching to the choir gets stale. Where better to spread the word, than where you can save someone?

July 30, 2017 - 13:12

Jace Long

/nu evangelization?

July 30, 2017 - 13:13

Nolan Anderson

Christian role models. Bordering on idol worship depending on your views I suppose.

July 30, 2017 - 13:13

Leo Scott

ie Sup Forums circa 2011
;)

July 30, 2017 - 13:14

Henry Nguyen

I am already prepping my Hanazuki folder for the inevitable fedorafag and LARPagan shitstorm.

July 30, 2017 - 13:14

Ryder Hill

I can't stop masturbating, and I need help

I'm not really sure who else to turn to, so i've come here

July 30, 2017 - 13:15

Asher Edwards

In your opinion, user

July 30, 2017 - 13:15

Joshua Hernandez

Try lighting some candles in the evening. Helps me from wanting to rape myself somehow. Maybe it will have the same effect on you.

July 30, 2017 - 13:17

Jace Edwards

Sola fide and fuck current pope last pope was cool

July 30, 2017 - 13:17

Adrian Sullivan

>Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

At best you can argue for an application of pagan civil practices. Nothing liturgical and nothing doctrinal. Such civil practices ultimately do not matter on any scale as meaning behind them is entirely changed.

And I don't know about Constantine's history. His wife and he were very involved in theology, I know that, but I doubt he kept pagan beliefs.

>When the Western half of the Roman Empire collapsed in 476, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus.

The title Pontifex Maximus is an old Roman title for the highest office in the state religion. It's very obvious that this became the thing for Christianity when it became the state religion.

July 30, 2017 - 13:18

Jason Wilson

...

July 30, 2017 - 13:19

Gavin Parker

kek
its an addiction like all others so just attempt to change your habitat / behaviour to not induce "triggers" that will lead to the desire
also being here doesnt help at all
I would say consider /news/ but this is another addiction and as such is a matter of taste
whenever you get the urge, try and delay a few minutes
repeat until you can go long stretches
also rearrange your room or computer, triggers and all

kek

July 30, 2017 - 13:19

Hudson Perry

Ends up one of my ancestors was a Crusader who died fighting in the Holy Land and was buried there. Funny thing is I don't attend church and my family has been Protestant since pretty much the Reformation.

July 30, 2017 - 13:20

Thomas Evans

You guys need to study salvation alittle and jesus is nnot watching you wack off

July 30, 2017 - 13:20

Henry Hall

Soli deo Gloria !

July 30, 2017 - 13:20

Isaac Collins

Death doesn't shatter the unity of the Body of Christ.

The Book of James says that the prayer of a holy man (eg Elijah) has great effect. We ask those in heaven, as holy people , to pray with us and for us, just as we ask prayer partners on Earth.

catholic.com/tract/praying-to-the-saints
fisheaters.com/saints.html
catholic.com/tract/the-intercession-of-the-saints

July 30, 2017 - 13:20

Leo Taylor

What's my opinion? That the song I posted is quite nice? Or that walter veith is right in his argument that catholicism is satanic at the upper echelons? He sure makes a compelling case and yeah I suppose you are right in that it is my opinion that he is correct.

July 30, 2017 - 13:20

Gavin James

Down with the papists!

July 30, 2017 - 13:21

Angel Rodriguez

Can you give me a basic rundown of the justification for Rome being vicar of Christ apart from Matthew 16:18?

July 30, 2017 - 13:21

Christopher Gutierrez

Soli Deo gloria is a Latin term for Glory to God alone. It has been used by artists like Johann Sebastian Bach, George Frideric Handel, and Christoph Graupner to signify that the work was produced for the sake of praising God german prodestants used that

July 30, 2017 - 13:23

Kevin Turner

Thanks, i'll try that out

I just want to live a better life

July 30, 2017 - 13:23

Ayden Clark

Pray the Rosary daily instead. Our Lady promised "it will destroy vice." how-to-pray-the-rosary-everyday.com/victory-over-vice.html
It really works.
If not baptized, be baptized. If baptized, go to confession and make a firm purpose of amendment.

July 30, 2017 - 13:23

Carson Turner

I never said he did brah. But if this dude wants to quit jerking it I am not one to not offer what meager advice I have.

July 30, 2017 - 13:23

Leo Davis

Your just going to become subconsciously sexually repressed and turn into a weirdo get married use wife to wack off lol

July 30, 2017 - 13:25

Aiden Wood

The modern atheists now are much in debt of Protestants for their views.

I do not care for gated communities and I definitely do not care for Reddit. I come to help those I can in the most effective way I can when not doing my own stuff and at home.

>you ought to have given up on them

lolno

Saints are a name for people in Heaven, and sometime a title for people who are good enough to be in Heaven.
Saints canonized (declared saints by the church) are those declared by the church teaching authority to be in Heaven are generally seen as Christian role models. Do tell me if you don't know what I mean by "church teaching authority" however.

Bring it.

I chortled.

July 30, 2017 - 13:26

Joseph Reed

Peter as chief of the Apostles is all through the Gospels, but consider the end of John when our Lord, in the presence of thebother apostles, appoints Peter to shepherd His flock.

Or Luke 22, then Jesus says to the apostles that Satan desires to destroy you (pl) and then to Peter "I have prayed for you (sg) and when you have turned, strengthen thy brethren."

Peter is known to have led the Church at Rome and the early Church acknowledged Rome's supremacy on that basis. Check the decrees of the council of Constantinople.

July 30, 2017 - 13:27

Angel Adams

Would that be the same James who was the brother to Jesus?

July 30, 2017 - 13:28

Julian Sanders

Sup Forums you must elect me antipope. We will take back the holy land

July 30, 2017 - 13:29

Blake Sullivan

Right, and this is why Catholicism starts to look polytheistic to outside observers. It's like the Greeks and Romans--every little thing has its own supernatural being.

July 30, 2017 - 13:30

Logan Hughes

Bump

July 30, 2017 - 13:30

Jose Thompson

Good readings today. Really liked the one about Solomon.

July 30, 2017 - 13:31

Asher Russell

>Saints are a name for people in Heaven, and sometime a title for people who are good enough to be in Heaven.
Saints canonized (declared saints by the church) are those declared by the church teaching authority to be in Heaven are generally seen as Christian role models.

Do explain church teaching authority tho. To me it just looks like the church takes it upon themselves to god's job in deciding who gets to heaven and who doesn't.

July 30, 2017 - 13:32

Mason Bailey

Yes

I was wrong

July 30, 2017 - 13:33

Thomas Price

look up the god baldr and look at the comparisons between him and jesus

July 30, 2017 - 13:35

Luke James

Brother of Jesus in a sense, yes. Not a child from sexual union of St. Joseph and Theotokos.

July 30, 2017 - 13:35

William Bailey

Praise & bump.

July 30, 2017 - 13:35

Christopher Rodriguez

It's Sunday night. The /nupol/ pagans are all busy torrenting the latest game of thrones episode

July 30, 2017 - 13:35

Brayden Moore

>implying
fisheaters.com/mary.html >Matthew 27: 55-56 tells us of three women at the Cross: "And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children."

>Mark 15:40 tells us of the three women there, "There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome."

>John 19:25 is the most inclusive, telling us of four women's presence, "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene." (Note here the reference to Mary's "sister" who's named Mary!)

Find me a source who affirmed Mary had other children or that Jesus had blood brothers before Loser and Calvin.

July 30, 2017 - 13:38

Isaac Perez

And the whole sainthood deal is an extra revenue stream for the Church--you can only sell so many Pietas and Passions, and the panoply of saints increases your product line substantially. It helps, too, because you're effectively ensuring that everyone has a mascot in the sky--someone with whom you can have a more personal connection.

JPII's sainthood was just a publicity stunt--it went against the longstanding procedures for canonization, etc., but the Church was in a tailspin and needed some good PR.

July 30, 2017 - 13:38

Luke Morgan

But Christ himself is a syncretism of previous death-rebirth deities, it only makes sense that other pagan elements would eventually be incorporated into the religion.

July 30, 2017 - 13:38

Camden Bailey

>/nupol/ pagans...busy torrenting
Spot on. I at least feel bad when I commit sins. They take pride in them.

July 30, 2017 - 13:40

Jose Reyes

Would it really be so bad if they'd had a kid of their own?

July 30, 2017 - 13:42

Leo Morris

false, and ZEITGEIST. True Death adn ressurection gods occur well into the late Roman empire, long after Christianity, otherwise the god truly dies and never comes back to the land of the living (like Osiris) or they never really died (persephone) they're just "visiting"

July 30, 2017 - 13:45

Nolan Hughes

>evangelicals really are this retarded

July 30, 2017 - 13:46

Bentley Clark

...

July 30, 2017 - 13:46

Adrian Cooper

...

July 30, 2017 - 13:48

Aiden Morgan

Hey guys, is Christianity the real deal? I wish I could believe...

July 30, 2017 - 13:48

Angel Garcia

...

July 30, 2017 - 13:48

Evan Robinson

Lutheran here to laugh at you, glad I wasn't disappointed

July 30, 2017 - 13:49

Joshua Murphy

AVE MARIA!

July 30, 2017 - 13:49

Ian White

Catholicism is the real deal.

Protestantism is an heretical shit tier meme.

July 30, 2017 - 13:50

Oliver Myers

Went to my first catholic mass yesterday. I now have no doubt that Christ is present during communion/eucharist. I urge all to try and know the living God.

July 30, 2017 - 13:50

Jaxon Evans

For the user in the last thread, sorry about the script, it wasn't finished or fomatted properly. Here goes.

July 30, 2017 - 13:50

Camden Perry

CUT TO:
Racing along a cratered dirt road, and we are -

INT. LAND CRUISER JOSTLING OVER UNEVEN TERRAIN - DAY

Three Hooded Men guarded by East European Militia. A third
Militia drives. Next to him is a nervous, bespectacled man.

EXT. AIRSTRIP, EASTERN EUROPE - DAY

An airstrip overlooking a grey city rocked by artillery
fire. A bland CIA Operative, flanked by Special Forces Men,
stands in front of a commuter plane. CIA Man watches the
Land Cruiser pull up, hard. The Militia Men jump out of the
vehicle.
The Driver shoves the bespectacled man in front of the CIA
Man.

2.

CIA MAN
"Dr. Pavel, I'm CIA.""
Dr. Pavel nods, nervous. CIA Man hands the Driver a
briefcase.

DRIVER
"He wasn't alone.""
CIA Man, confused, spots the Hooded Men. He turns to Dr.
Pavel.

CIA MAN
"You don't get to bring friends.""

DR. PAVEL (SHAKEN)
"They are not my friends.""

DRIVER
"Don't worry, no charge for them.""

CIA MAN
"Why would I want them?"

DRIVER
"They were trying to grab your
prize." (Smiles.) "They work for the
mercenary. The masked man."

CIA MAN (EXCITED)
"Bane?"
The Driver nods. CIA Man turns to his Special Forces Men.

CIA MAN
"Get 'em on board - I'll call it in."
EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - DAY
The commuter plane struggles over snow-capped mountains.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The three Hooded Men kneel by the cargo door, handcuffed.
CIA Man grabs Hooded Man 1.

CIA MAN
"What are you doing in the middle of
my operation?"

July 30, 2017 - 13:50

Nolan Moore

...

July 30, 2017 - 13:51

Ryder Campbell

horus jesus and balder are born from the main god of their religion. they also all personify the sun and its cycle of death and rebirth. both jesus and baldr died by spear and had objects hurled at them(beaten-ed) before hand. and they are also both called the light of the world (or something similar), and symbolized purity.

July 30, 2017 - 13:51

Grayson White

...

July 30, 2017 - 13:51

Bentley Hall

3.

Hooded Man 1 says nothing. CIA Man pulls out a handgun.
"The flight plan I just filed with
the Agency lists me, my men, and
Dr. Pavel here. But only one of
you."
CIA Man opens the cargo door. Special Forces hang Hooded Man
1 out into the howling wind - CIA Man shouts above the wind.

CIA MAN

"FIRST ONE TO TALK GETS TO STAY ON
MY AIRCRAFT!" (Cocks weapon.)

"SO...WHO PAID YOU TO GRAB DR.
PAVEL?!"

Nothing. CIA Man fires out the open door and the Special
Forces yank Hooded Man 1 back in, clubbing him quiet.

CIA MAN
"HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD! WHO WANTS TO
TRY NEXT?!"

The Soldiers grab Hooded Man 2, hang him out the door.

CIA MAN
"TELL ME ABOUT BANE! WHY DOES HE
WEAR THE MASK?!"

The prisoner says nothing. CIA Man presses the gun to the
man's hood - he cocks the gun...nothing.

CIA MAN
"LOT OF LOYALTY FOR A HIRED GUN!"

THIRD PRISONER (O.S.)
"Or he's wondering why someone would
shoot a man before throwing him out
of an aeroplane."

CIA Man turns to the Third Prisoner. Shuts the cargo door.

CIA MAN
"Wiseguy, huh? At least you can
talk. Who are you?"

THIRD PRISONER
"We are nothing. We are the dirt
beneath your feet. And no one cared
who I was until I put on the
mask..."

CIA Man, wary, approaches the Third Prisoner - pulls off his
hood, revealing a dark mask with a breathing apparatus. The
eyes behind it are cold. Still. This is Bane.

4.

BANE
"Who we are does not matter. What
matters is our plan."

July 30, 2017 - 13:51

Adam Perez

CIA MAN (FASCINATED)
"If I pull this off, will you die?"

BANE
"It would be extremely painful."

CIA MAN
"You're a big guy -"

BANE
"For you."

CIA MAN (UNNERVED)
"Was being caught part of your plan?"

BANE
"Of course. Dr. Pavel refused our
offer in favor of yours. We had to
know what he told you about us."

DR. PAVEL
"Nothing! I said nothing!"

CIA MAN
"Why not just ask him?"

BANE
"He would not have told us."

CIA MAN
"You have methods."

BANE
"Him, I need healthy. You present no
such problem."
CIA Man laughs for the Special Forces' benefit. A heavy bass
tone is rising. The Sergeant looks out the window.

EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

The commuter plane is dwarfed by a massive transport plane
looming over it, dangerously close...

5.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The plane lurches. The noise is building.

SERGEANT
"Sir?"

CIA MAN
"Well congratulations, you got
yourselves caught. What's the next
step of your master plan?"

BANE
"Crashing this plane..."

EXT. MOUNTAINS - CONTINUOUS

July 30, 2017 - 13:52

Matthew Morales

Keep hobbies. Busy yourself. Do not be tempted from porn.
Most importantly, understand the sin as contemptible. It is very often that people still cherish or have good memories of a sin and only reject them reluctantly. Sin begins in the heart. Just because it does not manifest in your actions blatantly does not mean you do not sin. And do not get me wrong, I know this is difficult as the habit comes from accommodating your own natural urges. However, just as people fall to pornography through lacking the rational discipline over their natural urges and begin to selfishly treat sexual acts and bodies without due dignity to the people, masturbation comes about from a lack of rational discipline over yourself as well so to selfishly abuse your organs meant for a self-giving with another. Work on yourself and remember that. It is always a battle you will win as long as you are willing to try.

I think does a fine job.

>Do explain church teaching authority tho. To me it just looks like the church takes it upon themselves to god's job in deciding who gets to heaven and who doesn't.

I gave a rundown to people here:
archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/121428888/#121475988

>And the whole sainthood deal is an extra revenue stream for the Church--you can only sell so many Pietas and Passions

The idea of sainthhood came about while they were still extremely small and marginalized. It makes no sense to argue that part of the canonization process is being lucrative.

I know nothing of JP2's canonization so I can't speak of that, I apologize.

Zeitgeist was debunked for almost a decade, m8. Dn't believe it.

k, get back to us when you want to discuss your heresies and the shit your denomination caused to Europe.

July 30, 2017 - 13:52

Justin Green

The ramp of the transport opens... Four men leap out on
tethers - dropping towards the commuter plane, two each
side...

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The Special Forces react to the turbulence from the plane
above. CIA Man looks at Bane.

BANE (RISING)
"With no survivors."
A Special Forces soldier spins around - an Armed Man is
outside the window. Bang -

EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

Two men shoot through the windows, the other two attach
grapples to the fuselage - give the thumbs up - hoists start
to pull and the tail of the commuter plane is lifted,
unnaturally.

INT. COCKPIT, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The Pilots battle the controls as the plane tilts forward.

6.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

Like lightning, Bane has the CIA Man is his handcuffed arms,
legs wrapped around a seat back, The entire cabin upends.
Tumbling chaos - Soldiers falling - Bane cracks CIA Man's
neck and drops him onto the Sergeant - they tumble down the
plane, smashing into the cockpit door with a terminal thud.
Dr. Pavel, strapped in, pushes against the seat in front of
him - the plane vibrates, trying to tear itself apart.

EXT. ATLAS MOUNTAINS - CONTINUOUS

The men climb the tail of the smaller plane as it dangles
helplessly above the mountains. Its wings shear off.

July 30, 2017 - 13:53

Landon Brown

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

Bane breaks his handcuffs as if they were plastic, then
opens his legs and drops down the cabin, somersaulting
gracefully and using his arms to stop himself halfway down,
by Dr. Pavel.

EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

The men attach explosives to the tail, then jump away,
swinging out as the tail explodes.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

An explosion takes off the rear door of the cabin - the
Armed Men drop through the smoke on cables.
A body bag is lowered into the cabin. Bane lies it on the
seat backs next to Dr. Pavel and unzips it to reveal a body
the same age and build as Dr. Pavel.

Bane rips Dr. Pavel's sleeve - pulls out a length of
surgical tubing - pushes a needle into Dr. Pavel's arm -
runs the tube to the body's arm... Dr. Pavel watches,
horrified, as Bane starts compressions on the body's chest,
drawing Dr. Pavel's blood across the tube and into the
body...

An Armed Man pulls Hooded Man 1 up through the cabin and
out. Bane stops Hooded Man 2.

7.

BANE
"Friend. They expect one of us in
the wreckage."
The man nods, unhooks himself, takes Bane's arm.

HOODED MAN 2
"Have we started the fire?"

BANE (NODS)
"The fire rises."
Hooded Man 2 hands Bane his line. Bane clips it around Dr.
Pavel, takes out a knife and cuts Dr. Pavel's seat belt. Dr.
Pavel panics, flails. Bane takes his arms. Gentle.

BANE
"Calm, Doctor. Now is not time for
fear..."
Bane slides Dr. Pavel out of his seat. They hang in the
vertical, windblown cabin. Bane takes out a detonator.

BANE
"That comes later."
Bane presses the detonator - the cabin drops from around
them, revealing the terrifying drop to the peaks below. Dr.
Pavel screams as they are hoisted up towards the transport.

July 30, 2017 - 13:53

Julian Torres

>True Death adn ressurection gods occur well into the late Roman empire, long after Christianity
The myth of Tammuz predates Christianity by many centuries. In the myth, Tammuz dies and spends half the year in the underworld, being reborn and spending the other half in the world of the living.

>otherwise the god truly dies and never comes back to the land of the living (like Osiris)
Osiris dies and is reborn, but stays in the underworld to rule over the dead.

None of this is from Zeitgeist, by the way.

I'm not evangelical.

July 30, 2017 - 13:53

John Thomas

I'll agree that you catholics have huge balls, how you dare to blaspheme like that in a christian thread I don't understand. Sola fide, argue against it please.

July 30, 2017 - 13:54

Brayden Wood

Oh shit, there were a couple messed up double quotes in the first section.
Really sorry, let me try again.

July 30, 2017 - 13:54

Wyatt Taylor

Zeitgeist's bullshit has been debunked for almost a decade. Do not bother with it.

Well fuck said you'd be here sooner. You're twice as late as he expected. What the hell, man.

July 30, 2017 - 13:55

Xavier Peterson

CUT TO:
Racing along a cratered dirt road, and we are -

INT. LAND CRUISER JOSTLING OVER UNEVEN TERRAIN - DAY

Three Hooded Men guarded by East European Militia. A third
Militia drives. Next to him is a nervous, bespectacled man.

EXT. AIRSTRIP, EASTERN EUROPE - DAY

An airstrip overlooking a grey city rocked by artillery
fire. A bland CIA Operative, flanked by Special Forces Men,
stands in front of a commuter plane. CIA Man watches the
Land Cruiser pull up, hard. The Militia Men jump out of the
vehicle.
The Driver shoves the bespectacled man in front of the CIA
Man.

2.

CIA MAN
"Dr. Pavel, I'm CIA."
Dr. Pavel nods, nervous. CIA Man hands the Driver a
briefcase.

DRIVER
"He wasn't alone."
CIA Man, confused, spots the Hooded Men. He turns to Dr.
Pavel.

CIA MAN
"You don't get to bring friends."

DR. PAVEL (SHAKEN)
"They are not my friends."

DRIVER
"Don't worry, no charge for them."

CIA MAN
"Why would I want them?"

DRIVER
"They were trying to grab your
prize." (Smiles.) "They work for the
mercenary. The masked man."

CIA MAN (EXCITED)
"Bane?"
The Driver nods. CIA Man turns to his Special Forces Men.

CIA MAN
"Get 'em on board - I'll call it in."
EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - DAY
The commuter plane struggles over snow-capped mountains.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The three Hooded Men kneel by the cargo door, handcuffed.
CIA Man grabs Hooded Man 1.

July 30, 2017 - 13:55

Aaron Rogers

Abortion is wro---

July 30, 2017 - 13:55

Dominic Anderson

CIA MAN
"What are you doing in the middle of
my operation?"

3.

Hooded Man 1 says nothing. CIA Man pulls out a handgun.
"The flight plan I just filed with
the Agency lists me, my men, and
Dr. Pavel here. But only one of
you."
CIA Man opens the cargo door. Special Forces hang Hooded Man
1 out into the howling wind - CIA Man shouts above the wind.

CIA MAN

"FIRST ONE TO TALK GETS TO STAY ON
MY AIRCRAFT!" (Cocks weapon.)

"SO...WHO PAID YOU TO GRAB DR.
PAVEL?!"

Nothing. CIA Man fires out the open door and the Special
Forces yank Hooded Man 1 back in, clubbing him quiet.

CIA MAN
"HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD! WHO WANTS TO
TRY NEXT?!"

The Soldiers grab Hooded Man 2, hang him out the door.

CIA MAN
"TELL ME ABOUT BANE! WHY DOES HE
WEAR THE MASK?!"

The prisoner says nothing. CIA Man presses the gun to the
man's hood - he cocks the gun...nothing.

CIA MAN
"LOT OF LOYALTY FOR A HIRED GUN!"

THIRD PRISONER (O.S.)
"Or he's wondering why someone would
shoot a man before throwing him out
of an aeroplane."

CIA Man turns to the Third Prisoner. Shuts the cargo door.

CIA MAN
"Wiseguy, huh? At least you can
talk. Who are you?"

THIRD PRISONER
"We are nothing. We are the dirt
beneath your feet. And no one cared
who I was until I put on the
mask..."

July 30, 2017 - 13:55

Jose Garcia

The earliest written sources for anything Norse are centuries after the time of the Bible and written by Christians. Any parallels are either actual coincidence or run from Jesus to Baldr, not the other way around.

July 30, 2017 - 13:56

Cameron Brown

lol I'm not pagan, just helping out some user who asked me to finish the script last time

July 30, 2017 - 13:56

Aaron Hill

Just stop

July 30, 2017 - 13:56

Carson Diaz

Those things aren't human.

July 30, 2017 - 13:57

Oliver Cox

CIA Man, wary, approaches the Third Prisoner - pulls off his
hood, revealing a dark mask with a breathing apparatus. The
eyes behind it are cold. Still. This is Bane.

4.

BANE
"Who we are does not matter. What
matters is our plan."

CIA MAN (FASCINATED)
"If I pull this off, will you die?"

BANE
"It would be extremely painful."

CIA MAN
"You're a big guy -"

BANE
"For you."

CIA MAN (UNNERVED)
"Was being caught part of your plan?"

BANE
"Of course. Dr. Pavel refused our
offer in favor of yours. We had to
know what he told you about us."

DR. PAVEL
"Nothing! I said nothing!"

CIA MAN
"Why not just ask him?"

BANE
"He would not have told us."

CIA MAN
"You have methods."

BANE
"Him, I need healthy. You present no
such problem."
CIA Man laughs for the Special Forces' benefit. A heavy bass
tone is rising. The Sergeant looks out the window.

EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

The commuter plane is dwarfed by a massive transport plane
looming over it, dangerously close...

5.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The plane lurches. The noise is building.

SERGEANT
"Sir?"

July 30, 2017 - 13:57

Brandon Parker

Zeitgeist made a lot of random connections that aren't supported by archaeology, but that doesn't invalidate comparative religion. Christianity was definitely influenced by earlier myths, no story is completely new.

July 30, 2017 - 13:57

Liam Bailey

>I'm not pagan

It's a sin to lie, user.

July 30, 2017 - 13:58

Logan Taylor

CIA MAN
"Well congratulations, you got
yourselves caught. What's the next
step of your master plan?"

BANE
"Crashing this plane..."

EXT. MOUNTAINS - CONTINUOUS

The ramp of the transport opens... Four men leap out on
tethers - dropping towards the commuter plane, two each
side...

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The Special Forces react to the turbulence from the plane
above. CIA Man looks at Bane.

BANE (RISING)
"With no survivors."
A Special Forces soldier spins around - an Armed Man is
outside the window. Bang -

EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

Two men shoot through the windows, the other two attach
grapples to the fuselage - give the thumbs up - hoists start
to pull and the tail of the commuter plane is lifted,
unnaturally.

INT. COCKPIT, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The Pilots battle the controls as the plane tilts forward.

6.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

Like lightning, Bane has the CIA Man is his handcuffed arms,
legs wrapped around a seat back, The entire cabin upends.
Tumbling chaos - Soldiers falling - Bane cracks CIA Man's
neck and drops him onto the Sergeant - they tumble down the
plane, smashing into the cockpit door with a terminal thud.
Dr. Pavel, strapped in, pushes against the seat in front of
him - the plane vibrates, trying to tear itself apart.

July 30, 2017 - 13:58

Aiden Kelly

pagans are gay m8
>It's a sin to lie, user.
>it's true, my mommy says that to me e-v-e-r-y night

July 30, 2017 - 13:59

Jack Nguyen

No story being completely new doesn't mean that one influenced one another. In fact, nothing shows this to be the case at all.

July 30, 2017 - 13:59

Ethan Stewart

EXT. ATLAS MOUNTAINS - CONTINUOUS

The men climb the tail of the smaller plane as it dangles
helplessly above the mountains. Its wings shear off.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

Bane breaks his handcuffs as if they were plastic, then
opens his legs and drops down the cabin, somersaulting
gracefully and using his arms to stop himself halfway down,
by Dr. Pavel.

EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

The men attach explosives to the tail, then jump away,
swinging out as the tail explodes.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

An explosion takes off the rear door of the cabin - the
Armed Men drop through the smoke on cables.
A body bag is lowered into the cabin. Bane lies it on the
seat backs next to Dr. Pavel and unzips it to reveal a body
the same age and build as Dr. Pavel.

Bane rips Dr. Pavel's sleeve - pulls out a length of
surgical tubing - pushes a needle into Dr. Pavel's arm -
runs the tube to the body's arm... Dr. Pavel watches,
horrified, as Bane starts compressions on the body's chest,
drawing Dr. Pavel's blood across the tube and into the
body...

An Armed Man pulls Hooded Man 1 up through the cabin and
out. Bane stops Hooded Man 2.

7.

BANE
"Friend. They expect one of us in
the wreckage."
The man nods, unhooks himself, takes Bane's arm.

HOODED MAN 2
"Have we started the fire?"

July 30, 2017 - 13:59

Jaxon Scott

BANE (NODS)
"The fire rises."
Hooded Man 2 hands Bane his line. Bane clips it around Dr.
Pavel, takes out a knife and cuts Dr. Pavel's seat belt. Dr.
Pavel panics, flails. Bane takes his arms. Gentle.

BANE
"Calm, Doctor. Now is not time for
fear..."
Bane slides Dr. Pavel out of his seat. They hang in the
vertical, windblown cabin. Bane takes out a detonator.

BANE
"That comes later."
Bane presses the detonator - the cabin drops from around
them, revealing the terrifying drop to the peaks below. Dr.
Pavel screams as they are hoisted up towards the transport.

July 30, 2017 - 14:00

Andrew Mitchell

Do some research on the older myths I mentioned if you haven't already. Christianity (and Judaism even) inherited a lot from them.

July 30, 2017 - 14:00

Brayden Turner

>justified by faith alone
>James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
>not by

>Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done.
>Judged by what they had done.

The only place in Scripture it says "faith alone" it says "a man is not justified by."

July 30, 2017 - 14:00

Levi Thompson

A famous spot in France, St Etienne abandoned church. A beautiful but sad picture.

July 30, 2017 - 14:00

Ryder Nguyen

LATIN/GREGORIAN CHANTS

July 30, 2017 - 14:00

Jason Hall

Holy shit, I'm in a really Bane mood now.
That script stirs up something deep in me.
Let's have a Dark Night Rises appreciation thread.

Thread theme: youtube.com/watch?v=U3A-lJQlrmk

July 30, 2017 - 14:01

Owen Ward

Glad to see us together in hell

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