It's not fair to blame socialism on Venezuela's issues

It's not fair to blame socialism on Venezuela's issues

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Venezuela is capitalist. Markets collapsed and the state collapsed.

>Capitalism
Not. even. once.

Internet conservatives are just as much retards as liberal college faggots, capitalism and communism are two sides of the same jewish coin, what we need is a pragmatic approach and take the best of everything instead of treating politics like religion

Just stop

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Kys

>successful socialist
Stopped reading right there

lol no u

>inevitable unsustainability of your capitalist model
Any day now...

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Communism is just socialism with a gun to your head. Neither have ever worked in history. Venezuela is just the latest in a long list of states who have tried and failed.

Saged

>lists 13 failed socialist societies
What did he mean by this?

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All of those socialist societies failed, who ever made this meme is fucking retarded

>leftist """"memes""""
*vomits*

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Failed because the capitalists don't want to see a successful socialist nation. It's either an American democracy style capitalist style aligned "sovereign" nation or we kick your shit in. That's the weakness with socialism, if you don't have a strong military and sphere of influence to fall back on you lose. The USSR did have a strong military and that's why they prospered. Even then you only have so much time until the CIA gets their hands in your pot.

>successful socialist economies that were cut down by capitalism

but I thought as soon as they fail you get to say that they were actually just capitalist states all along? i.e. so which is it? were they successful socialist economies brought down by capitalist imperialism, or secretly just "not real socialism" all along?

>both, either, whichever, as long as capitalism gets the blame and we get to try our retarded system again!

fucken brutal

Kill yourself

>whole economy and country crashes due to oil
Uhhh yea, about that. Maybe help if Chavez didn't fire half off PDVSA a few years ago and then the oil company gradually becomes less and less efficient (i.e. shit) and anyone with half a brain cell emigrated out leaving just the dumb there.
But yea, socialism, ho! Oil prices took a nose dive as they do every 10 -15 years and your country goes into absolute turmoil? Stupid.
Not how it works, you little shit. Leftypol is retarded as shit.

>it's not failure if our enemies destroy us

"Prospered"

Give me a fucking break you Tankie cunt. It was a stagnant, rotting hulk that could not have lasted. Your fucking system has not worked, and it will not work. It is not the ebil crapitalists, it is the inherent flaws within socialism and communism that render it a stillborn success from the beginning.

>The USSR did have a strong military and that's why they prospered

USSR couldn't feed their people. You sound ignorant on history and they abandoned it. Go back and relearn history.

Also, if the USSR were so powerful to protect their communist system, why did they abandon it? Why are Cubans forced to ration their food as required by the state? Why are people in Venezuela forced to only eat two meals a day? You see the pattern here? Communism and socialism has failed over and over again. Cuba and Venezuela will learn like every other country in history has. Capitalism always prevails

a modern socialist state got out competed by the oldest and most backwards ass system of government a friggin monarchy

Lybia with kadhafi and north korea are pretty good examples of socialism succeeding and guess what, one got fucked over by american imperialism and the other is soon to be nuked, you capitalist pigs that defend this jewish system need to neck yourselves

funny how none of those things on that pic are true.

North Korean's are smaller than their brother in the south because of malnutrition. Again, another example that communism and socialism can't even feed their nation. It's a joke.

Libia has always been a shit hole. You gotta be fucking kidding with that one.

You're in over your head. You can't bring this soft ball bullshit to Sup Forums. Easy

>USSR
>Prospered
Haha

Doesn't mean the system itself doesn't work. Just means capitalism is more widespread and established to crush systems that threaten it.

With communism
>100% literacy rate
>Free education for everyone
>0% unemployment
>Military, industrial super power with cutting edge space technological advancement
>No absurd unequality like in the capitalist system
Yah I'll chalk that up as a success

Well the population of the USSR was growing rapidly so obviously there was food and healthcare. They abandoned it because of failed capitalist reforms like Perestroika. Cuba has been embargoed by the US for 50 years now. They're doing surprisingly well on their own with one of the highest doctors per capita in the world. People from all over go to Cuba to study medicine and go back home to treat people. And as for Venezuela see above, the capitalist market crashed along with sabotage.

commies shouldn't be allowed to breed. better dead than red i always say

>better dead than red
That can be arranged :^)

Cuba is a cest pool. Their people are trying to escape. East Germans tried to escape. Russians tried to escape. Venezuelans are trying to escape. North Koreans are trying to escape. If it's such a good system, why the fuck does everyone want to get the fuck out? You sound so fucking dumb dude. Just stop.

>Just means capitalism is more widespread and established to crush systems that threaten it
When you threaten to destroy nation-states, culture, religion, property, and freedom, don't be surprised when you make a lot of enemies. Fascism works great too when it's not being destroyed by the enemies it makes.

Same reason migrants from the middle east are trying to escape, not because their capitalist system back at home. They want in on some of those gibs from imperialist capitalist exploitation of the third world.

>When you threaten to destroy nation-states, culture, religion, property, and freedom
Capitalism is doing that right now. It's part of capitalist nature to destroy these things. You seem to have your priorities and values straight but I have no idea why you support a system that opposes them.

>nationalise large swaths of economy
>dont diversify your billions of dollars into growth because you're a central planner and oil will never crash, right???
>instead spend all your capital on free microwaves for all and useless military spending
>oil crashes
>not socialisms fault
Lybia was doing well for the same reason venezuela was doing well for a while. Even if ghadaffi was still alive they would be in a massive recession right now. Not as bad as venezuela is because ghadaffi knew to diversify the economy into farms and such, but all their free healthcare and free housing benefits would have had to be discarded because the econony wouldnt be able to take the strain without massive oil wealth

>You seem to have your priorities and values straight but I have no idea why you support a system that opposes them.
I don't. The capitalist-communism dichotomy is a lie.

Previous video was shit, watch this instead

youtube.com/watch?v=FD15bxM3mTc

So what is your solution then?

Fascism or Distributism. Both 3rd positionist ideologies.

Distributism? Tell me more

Pic related.

>captain communist comes to the rescue to tell us that a socialist nation is failing because it's capitalist

top fucking kek

>Allende
>the guy who got chiles inflation to rise 350% on his last year as president
>the guy that got chile into a 54% poverty rate
>the guy who one of his senators literally siad that he would give up the life of a million chileans to achieve the socialist dream
>the guy who funneled weapons to armed guerrillas in the inside of the country to eventually take over
>the guy who in 3 years had brought chile to the literal brink of civil war
>the guy whose own party had disowned and told him to step down
>the guy whose own democratically elected congress approved the coup on him
>the guy who is held as a hero for democracy ousted by a power hungry dictator even though "mr democracy" was elected with 36% of the vote and had to be removed by force while the power hungry dictator called a referendum on himself and had 44% approval giving him more legitimacy than the other guy ever had
>that guy is used by retarded marxistsas the non plus ultra of socialist governments
Really makes me think

btw chavez
>economy dependent on 80%> oil revenue
>oil price is up and you can afford all givesmedats "this is triumph for socialism ge have proven it can work for the world even though we would collapse in a week without a global free market to buy the oil from us in the first place "
>oil price is down "reeeeeeeee planned sabotage not real socialism reeeeee"

Hey look, it's another "socialist blames their problems on everything except socialism" episode...

Everyone point and laugh at the leftist retards. They're doing it again.

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I'm starting to think that the "not real socialism" skit, could actually be classified as copypasta at this point.

Capitalism BTFO

color me slightly intrigued. Any more links?

>from gdp of $1 to $2 = 100%
>from gdp pf 100 trillions to 110 trillions = 10%
>lol! system one is clearly better!!! it has more numbers before that %-thingy!
fucking commie niggers

also
% literacy rate
>but you arent allowed to read anything )))))
>>Free education for everyone
>but we dont teach you anything ))))))
% unemployment
>because every unemployed person can work in gulag ))))
>>Military, industrial super power with cutting edge space technological advancement
>according to my propaganda - no proofs requiert )))))
>>No absurd unequality like in the capitalist system
>because all the rich people are big animals in the party, that's fair now! )))))

YOU CANT EVEN MEME YOU FILTHY LEFTIST KEK
>muh if wasnt for le ebil capitalism all commies would prosper, therefore we aren't incapable of mishandling the economy and the state apparatus neither of using the power to achieve our own desires while pretending to help the people I oppress. So Venezuela is actually a paradise under heavy attack from everybody else
SHUT UP YOU BRAINLESS SCUMFUCK BASTARD THAT SHOULD BE GUNNED DOWN IN THE STREETS LIKE THE DEGENERATE YOU ARE, LOOK AT WHAT YOUR PRIVY IDEOLOGY DID TO VENEZUELA

>Doing well
>signified by one of the highest doctors per capita rate

senpai you cherrypicked the most hilariously random statistic you could have never mind HDI or freedom index WE NEED DOCTORS NIGGA. So if more doctors per capita is not only a good thing but the BEST thing to happen to a country having literally every other person be a doctor should be great and not a retarded and inefficient way to allocate resources. Leftards everyone.

Wow that's some top quality autistic screeching right there. Learn some damn history before you start spewing garbage like that you useless bastard. And no, you don't learn no history on no damn fourchins mayan needlethreading boards.

> cuck
> muh meeemeees

Here's a meme for ya, you motherless idiot.

I hope you understand now that this is the point of Socialism, to destroy Capital, collapse the economy to create a crises to institute Communism. From Marx's Communist Manifesto:

>We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.
>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.
>Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

What Venezuela is currently experiencing is the fruition of long decades of planning. The end game was always to starve us into submitting to a rewrite of the constitution by which the Communists will have total control and ultimate authority until they are driven out by force. We can fight and die to save my country today, or we can be enslaved and executed tomorrow under an absolute tyranny.
Our choice. We've been slowly headed down this same path in continent for nearly 100 years ourselves. I don't think we're going to do much better.

This isn't even refutable, it is a fact, that's is what socialism is calling for, to undermine the state and the democratic institutions. That's what people need to understand, that socialism isn't childplay but pure evilism, terrorism and destruction.

Lol your meme fails completely, if your gonna try and meme farm at least get the right memes plz.

If they were successful why did they get destroyed? Socialism argument is wrong and they admit it when they say Capitalism destroys Socialism. Capitalism destroys Socialism because Capitalism makes more sense

Reminder the CIA literally controls your country and you think socialism is a thing

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Well, here's a site (modeldistributists.dudaone.com/) that does a pretty good job, here's a youtube series that is long and kind of slow but does a pretty good job (youtube.com/watch?v=4fTkPv5EzB0).

As for books, just go here (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism#Key_texts) and look at the Key Texts, especially the ones written by GK Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc.

o go suck a cock commie , venezuela had the fifth largest economy in the world.
They had industries of everything , they were with canada ,usa , argentina , and brasil one of the countries with heavy industries in the americas.

Until the socialist had to collectivize everything and dont get me started with food , they also collectivized farms and 20 years ago they exported food now they are starving.

Israel is a fucking desert and they exports foods , this socialist scum have fucking jungle terrain , fresh water , all year grow seasons and they have created this disaster.

There is a special place in hell for leftist like you that want to create an utopia and end creating hell on earth and i hope you enjoy it.

Have you not heard , everyone who disagrees to a first world socialist is a fascist burgueoise.

Since you know english you are part of the evil right in venezuela , after all you are not in your plantation working for the revolution.

Until the CIA decided they didn't want a strong latin american state******