This is a thread for the discussion of all ideologies that promote property rights, individual liberty and lassez-faire capitalism. These includes (but is not limited to) anarcho-capitalism, paleolibertarianism, minarchy, objectivism and anti-leftism (i.e. physical removal, so to speak). All others are welcome to learn and debate us.
Reminder that this is a right-wing thread, so libertine degenerates ('live and let live' faggotry), open-border advocates and faux-libertarians (e.g. Gary Johnson) are not welcome here - people here recognise that property rights imply discrimination and a return to traditional, conservative values.
Although questions are welcome, many are repeated often, so it is recommended you research the basics first. Nobody here is obligated to debate with you, so try to avoid using fallacies in your arguments or creating unrealistic scenarios.
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>The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated Summary (David Friedman) - youtube.com
>Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard) - mises.org
>Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - riosmauricio.com
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>hoppewave | Hans-Hermann Hoppe | physical removal - youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ
>Against the State - (Hoppewave Hans Hermann Hoppe) - youtube.com
>I need a Pinochet! - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>Drop it like it's Hoppe - youtube.com
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Wassap my freedom Loving friends.
Quick question about Anarcho-Capitalism
Wiki reads:
>In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be operated by privately funded competitors rather than centrally through compulsory taxation.
So, basically it would be like health care in USA, right? And you'd have to buy all sort of insurance that most people couldn't afford?
Slow thread today.
Loaded question, with your "most people couldn't afford" quip. It would be private, but healthcare and all other insurance would be much more affordable without government intervention in the market.
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I'm not sure about that, what about monopolies? do you believe they would not exist? Human desire of power would be even bigger without any control,
just like women get more and degenerate after feminism set them free.
I bending towards libertarianizm, but I'm not naive about corruption
>Do you believe they would not exist?
Essentially, yes.
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Well, that sounds credible, but I still think AC is just a romantic vision, and would be exploited by some (((mob)))
I'm speaking from my bad experience with people, I think I've mostly met the worst kind.
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>I think I've mostly met the worst kind.
And they all become politicians.
Surely this extends to government?
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Korporacje i monopol może istnieć tylko dzięki rządowi.
It's not a utopian system, but it is a meritocratic one. You gain power only by engaging in the free market capitalism, thus improving lives of all people around you.
A tu masz przykład jak działa monopol państwowy. Goverment is just a monopol on services you want.
>Surely this extends to government?
it does, that's why any system is fucked up, unless a monarchy with some venerable and just leader,
but that even if happened would be short-lived
>Being blackpilled
Hoppe is the hope for humanity
who would take care of the disabled?
Previously purchased insurances, their families and private charity in the extreme cases.
Did you for a second think what happens if we eliminate the need for family and private, discriminating charity?
People become nihilistic assholes. So encouraging the role of family and charity will only make sure people behave better if only to make sure people give a shit about them.
You might be right,
I spend last 10 years living in London(hardly british these days), and as you can imagine, not being from the wealthy, I only interacted with mostly shitskins and degenerates.
It changed my life, and view of people.
We advocate for contract based private cities, meaning, you will be, if you chose to live in any of the multiple private cities, under the rule a benevolent king under a contract of services.
Look. Poland is like 99.9% white. So why aren't we rich and a great nation? There is only one answer - socialist democracy. I agree with monarchy, us ancaps think that ancapistan can come through either evolution of systems from basically communist ones to minarchist monarchies or through the collapse of socialist goverments.
To me the answer is >>corruption
socialist-democracy isn't bad on itself
take for example Education, soc-dem gives equal rights to peoples education,
how does it look like in Ancap?
Do you honestly think the current system of education isn't shit? People are not equal. If you can't do maths you shouldn't be taught maths. If you cannot comprehend chemistry, guess what?
The current system makes the speed of education set at the worst individual.
Have a bump
well it's not like we're all geniuses, and in fact if someone is clearly ahead of the rest, gets promoted to +1year older class
also after primary school you get to choose which direction you want to educate yourself
so it's not that shit
i suppose in ancap you'd have private tutors, and most of them would be incompetent shits, and no way of knowing that.
that is my concern about ancap. i guess i spent too mych time in my life among niggers and shitskins, but i just can't imagine ancap country without violence, like gang wars or worse
because of course those private cities would have private armies, right?
Just to add, The State in ancap would still exist, it would only be privatized.
>Just to add, The State in ancap would still exist, it would only be privatized.
This is misleading; the functions of the state would mostly be carried out, but the state would stop existing and a competitive market of law would take it's place.
I'm not going to respond to any of that if you don't form an argument.
After 9 years of shitty education, you can finnaly specialise. Great.
No. It would be the free market. If you want you can send your kid to a general school, to a specialised school, a school without maths, a school without grammar or just private tutors, exc. Free choice. Your theory of "incompetent shits" has no support because the free market increases quality with time naturally. exc. Free choice.
>right 'libertarian'
well atleast your better then the fascist who can't seem to have any integrity ever
>But now we had taken it over
Do you have difficulty understanding what this means?
true individualism
That one in the middle isn't /bernie/ is it?
Why are white babies so much more expensive than black babies?
You cannot comprehend what private property is you fucking commie, scum like you get to be declared cattle in our world.
This is Hans Herman Hoppe you fucking..... Jesus christ.... How can you make such an idiotic guess?
no not at all, its just that sometimes people seem to hate what they call "post modernist trickery"
while other times definitions are up for grabs
it all depends on where you stand ;^) i just posted it to make people aware of it. Im sure they can either flip flop between definitions , or stick to one. Its not like integrity is valued high in politics anyways
Nope.
Left to right:
>Murray N. Rothbard, Ron Paul, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, (((Ayn Rand))), Ralph Raico?, Frederic Bastiat, Ludwig von Mises, F. A. Hayek.
>'in ouer world'
too bad im living in reality, and i don't see any real constructs, just spooks
good luck with your 'world' its about time you started doing something, the left has been winning for too long.
But the whole game of ideas is just part of an dialectical process, and most people are sheeps in the system. Im sure you will do your part bootlicker
Your pic related is great
>Your theory of "incompetent shits" has no support because the free market increases quality with time naturally
It has support in reality, we have fairly free market
take for example food
US has very little restrictions on food quality
EU has fair shit ton of restrictions
I imagine ancap would just have paid shills to sell you some beef full of hormones, and tell you how healthy it is
i'm not saying EU is better, but al least in theory there is no conflict of interest
ancap is like conflict of interest clusterfuck in some cases, as I see it
>Posts Stirner memes
>Believes in dialeticalism
Do you owe your family, and by extension race, anything for collecting superior genes over the millennia to produce you?
One might argue that national socialism is just the free market and you're paying to give a dignified life and to protect the descendants of the people who provided you with a powerful intellect.
as a chinese transexual I wish to join this movement to fight for individual liberty. Racists and Sexists/Homophobes - anyone that discriminates from a collective perspective must be REMOVED
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this is honestly a great piece of artwork
L to R:
Murray Rothbard
Ron Paul
Hoppe (front)
Ayn Rand (Back)
Milton Friedman (?)
De Tocqueville (back)
Ludwig von Mises (front)
FA Hayek
Well done, whoever did this OC.
Hardly seeing a difference from anarcho communism and libertarianism.
As an anarcho communist we believed in a revolution that would end in every individuals rights being respected regardless of race/gender.
Bootlicker? You are the one advocating for goverment to take care of you from the day you are born to the day you die. The left has been winning? Since when? Last year things turned around.
"Fairly free market" The EU is a communist institution and the taxation in most of the western world is at least 50%. In Poland I'd say around 60-70% of your money goes to goverment.
In ancap you buy whatever you want.
One can argue communism works.
Fuck off no niggers, muslims and mental illness allowed in my private society.
I'd argue you don't 'owe' them anything (per se) as far as that would violate your natural rights & self ownership.
One could make that argument, which would be a variation of the argument that because states exist, it shows their is a demand for them, but this can't be said to be a 'free market' in politics since you can't simply choose another type of government (competition). More importantly, almost every state is formed via conquest and violence, so this argument doesn't really hold unless you're of the opinion that might makes right.
>a competitive market of law would take it's place
so basically Private State, you can only name it differently
I consider myself a minarchist (well, after a brief research it seemed like my exact views) and am about to read Nozick's Anarchy, State and Utopia. Is it a good start?
I'd not count myself as a "conservative" though.
Uh yes there is. There is nothing to stop us from opening our own business's and owning land and sustaining and growing ourselves within said society. No government can intrude on our individual and property rights.
All that matters is whether we survive in the free market.
Completely false, a state is defined as a territorial monopolist of force, these companies aren't monopolists at all (you could have neighbors subscribed to completely different systems of law), more importantly these companies aren't allowed to use violence at will.
>I'd not count myself as a "conservative" though.
Why not?
It's not the same. There is a difference between a competetive market of law and an uncompetetive market of law.
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reading list you might be interested in
Your private property wouldn't be in the said society and if you try to intrude we would physically remove you. Other then that I agree. Since when there is demand there is supply, degenerates would probably have some place where a capitalist can gain profits from them.
>you could have neighbors subscribed to completely different systems of law
And how would that work? Give me an example, or I assume you don't know what you're talking about
You didn't answer my question though
I believe people should be able to act and be as they want, without the gov. intervening with them or even suggesting some "acceptable" behaviour for them. I think I'd be a conservative if I were living in a 1st world country but from where I stand, more freedom isn't a bad thing.
thanks user but I know of that site, I was wondering what you faggots think of Nazick.
Uh you can't remove me. Government power and any monopoly of violence has been removed and we have been given equal access to arms/violence capabilities. We also would not stand alone as many libertarians would stand by our individual rights to exist. At best you could vocally oppose our being and also boycott us.
God that pic is so fucking stupid. It offers no solution and just says it's the same thing so, lets go with what we have now.
What we have now:
>The banking industry owns the land and will always reclaim it if you stop payment
>Pay taxes to live on the land you're already paying for
>Have to consult with the state about what you do and put on their land
>If you do not do these things you land is taken and you face going to jail
I say PASS. You faggots don't understand what it used to be like owning a plot of land to do with what you wanted. Now you're all so cucked and brainwashed by the federal government you'll defend their right to shove a meaty girthy cock down your stupid fucking throats.
Why do you think you know our political believes better than ourselves? You're coming in with pretty loaded statements.
I can give you an example from not such far history:
Berlin, in the Cold War days of East and West Germany.
Do you know what private property is? We can remove you from our private property.
No wonder that stupid slavs became communist. Fucking snowniggers.
Us slavs were forced into communism by yours truly, then decades of brainwashing made us forever socialist.
Uh I won't be near your private property, I will be gathering with fellow minded suppressed minorities and left libertarians ensuring we create our own production and economic base while growing faster than your sect of the libertarian society via importing foreigners.
>Why do you think you know our political believes better than ourselves? You're coming in with pretty loaded statements.
NO, I'm trying to understand what is Ancap about, if you can't explain, maybe you shouldn't post like you know something.
>I can give you an example from not such far history:
>Berlin, in the Cold War days of East and West Germany.
wew, east and west germany WHAT? what am I supposed to think of that? that's not even example, it's a shit post, no fucking content at all
Polycentric law is a rather wide subject which I don't have massive knowledge on. Roughly, it works similar to private arbitration currently, and such systems have existed in the (not so wild) wild west, celtic ireland, and generally in Europe via the practice of anglo-saxon law.
More reading on the subject:
>The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated Summary (David Friedman) - youtube.com
>The Machinery of Freedom (David Friedman) - daviddfriedman.com
>For a New Liberty (Murray Rothbard) - mises.org
Of course, you would know all this if you actually read the OP. I'm sure such an intelligent man of yourself would know, I guess you just forgot? It's ok, I have a short memory too.
Where's the avatar fag that uses a picture of Kelly Anne for every post so he can stand out on a containment thread in a containment board on an anonymous website?
>you could have neighbors subscribed to completely different systems of law
>And how would that work? Give me an example, or I assume you don't know what you're talking about
West and east berlin. I don't know who's shitposting who anymore.
Whatever then, as long as you don't violate our NAP.
>Of course, you would know all this
No I wouldn't, I don't have to know EVERYTHING to be intelligent,
but I'm sure such an intelligent man as yourself would know that
and thanks for the effort of copypasting relevant links,
>Whatever then, as long as you don't violate our NAP.
Except we will be encouraging a culture of collective activism/organization and identity politics while you encourage a culture of hyper individualism and " leave me alone-ism " and will be divided and easily defeated over time.
>West and east berlin.
West and east berlin what? Can you type full sentence? What are you talking about?
You asked for an example of how neighbours can be subscribed to completely different systems of law, I gave you one that has already happened under goverments.
West and east berlin were under different goverments.
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Yes. Private corporations would be responsible for everything not just health care. People being unable a product is not a concern of an an-cap society unless they are not making profit due to an inability to pay the currency or goods/services deemed accepted by the service being provided (healthcare in this case)
Monopolies would and should exist and will fall given a long enough time scale.
A mob of corporations? Take your business elsewhere, organize a takeover. Fight against whatever mob is trying to destroy your way of life. An-cap is not a movement for pussies unable to take action into their own hands.
The inability to decide what government you follow is a crime against man. A private funded government could be founded in an an-cap society. Don't like it? Don't live there, don't pay them.
There would be violence outside of whatever bubble of community/corporation you reside around. Again, it's not a movement for pussies.
Everything would be privatized.
There's a basic explanation for you.
>Importing foreigners increases economic growth
>Not accounting for cultural differences that would tear your community apart
>not accounting for islamic takeover
>not accounting for foreigners wanting gibs
Well, what can you expect from a leaf?
There was also a wall separating them, so they were not neighbors as individuals
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about
They can't be a neigbour if there is a wall seperating them? What's the problem?
Identify groups are the easiest to pit against each other. You will implode from infighting before anything gets done.
t. Rabbi Shekelgrubber
>Yes. Private corporations would be responsible for everything not just health care.
So it would be like Private State, the only difference would be , you could choose one of many, and hope for not getting screwed up by the small print
Basically that would be like emigrating to different country without moving your house.
So the State would still exist, only it would be privatized.
OK, I think i get it now. Ancap is basically Mexico.
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>Irrationally hating 'muh small print'
How the fuck is Mexico libertarian in any way? Are you retarded?
The Mexican gov is very weak. Gangs are the law in many areas. So there isn't a monopoly on violence. It's libertarian.
There are a lot of countries like an-cap but, nothing is an an-cap society. Mexico uses their current government to fuck over their people. It's far from an-cap. The state would only exist if a large enough group of people supported their movement. If people stopped supporting it then it would wither and die quickly from lack of funding.
You have 3 drug cartels and official government to choose from for taking your interests,
sounds just about like ancap.
>How the fuck is it libertarian?
>You can choose between 3 cartels.
You're surely a great intellectual.
Hey lads.
I'm starting to see the appeal for gun control in the UK - any self-respecting man would have opened fire on this abomination that some call Brighton.
At least there's fewer burqas here than at the Vienna Airport.
Oh, so you run out of arguments, and decided to attack me personally,
bravo
You argument is shit no point in rebutting it.
Drug cartels in Mexico exist because they can sell drugs, humans, and general gangster shit to neighboring countries at highly inflated rates. Without hyper inflated drug prices these cartels would shrivel up and lose power. There is currently a much higher demand for drugs than any other illegal service offered by these mexican cartels. It is also not an an-cap society.
You do that.
I'm sure you'll get along just fine in a low-trust, commie society.
You've jumped in a thread, and have no fucking clue what it is about,
why don't you read from the beggining or just fuck off
fucking bitch
I have read from the beggining, comparing a shitty state like Mexico to a libertarian free society is intellectualy dishonest. You also didn't provide an argument for it other than "I think an-capistan is a crime ridden shithole, so let me compare it to a crime ridden shithole."
>It is also not an an-cap society.
So what is ancap society? is it society without corruption and criminal gangs?
I'm trying to look at the bottomside of ancap, not just fall in love with upsides.
It is a society of private law, where the only rules everyone needs to obey is private property and the non-agression principle.
There is huge demand for technological alternatives, for example for Windows, Google, Facebook. The free market should now have seen that they just print money every month. Where is the competition? Why do this quasi monopolies exists?
So I'm trying, as politely as I can, to find out how would you enforce all this?
Can you answer this without spamming liks to other sites?