whatever happened to peak oil? "peak oil" was the "global warming" scare of my generation. i sat in college classrooms and was told by the time i am the age i am now, personal motorized vehicles would be a thing of history. we'd all have to be bussed around on public transportation or use electric rails because there simply wouldn't be any oil left.
they did all of the same doomsday saying as "climate change" too. "end of civilization", "your parents got us into this mess", "if you don't act now you aren't going to have a future", "this is going to send us back to the dark ages" ect ect.
"the science was settled". this was something definitely happening. if you spoke out against it or claimed it was BS you were a pariah and apostate, and were likely going to be ANGRILY accused of "being a shill for the oil companies", same as with "climate change" now.
what happened Sup Forums? does "The Man" always just need a boogeyman to scare the people with? to get them to comply with unnecessary taxes and regulations?
for reference, this was something people were claiming was right around the corner even in the 70s and 80s. just watch the original "max max" movies, those are borne out of fears and paranoia during "the gas crisis" and the "peak oil" rhetoric that surrounded it. i was WAY too young to understand that shit back then but they kept it up all through the early 2000s. still waiting for this civilization-destroying crisis to turn up though
Eli Martin
Peak oil was an invention by idiots, for idiots.
>hurrr we'll just magically stop drilling for oil at some point because I made a graph that said so
You can't take any of this crap seriously.
Kayden Parker
>Peak oil was an invention by idiots, for idiots. yeah essentially same as climate change now yeah essentially the same as "climate change" now
Hunter Brooks
What the fuck is that graph even trying to say? >Using more solar and hydroelectric in 1900 than we are now wut
Alexander Stewart
Peak oil, 2012 end times, global warming, overpopulation etc etc It's all a big scam to keep us in a perpetual state of fear.
Joshua Campbell
They discovered more fields, and it became cheaper to frack and get deeper in already established fields.
The problem has just been put off a fair bit.
Angel Scott
dunno really, but it was graphs like that that were being shoved in all of our faces, nonstop, and we were all told it was "our responsibility" to do something about it and "go green" for like 3 fucking decades straight. we were CONSTANTLY being told the end was right around the corner. and yet, nothing happened.
and then they magically stopped talking about this topic once "climate change" became a popular thing
Brayden Smith
AKA it was entirely bullshit from the beginning the same as "climate change" is now, k thanks
Luis Adams
Big if true
Anthony Nguyen
We've hit 'peak oil' to such a degree that oil has never been cheaper than it is now.
Mason Brooks
Are you an idiot or something?
David Allen
Peak oil is 99% relevant still. Read the Peak Oil scaremongering. That shit is what we'd have to do to achieve zero percent carbon emission growth. Not to stop global warming in the least.
So to get the global warming fags' dream come true, we'd have to go far beyond inflicting an end of the world scenario on ourselves.
Kevin Allen
a new doomsday tool for every generation
Dominic Walker
Every generation, it's a new concern troll. Climate change, global warming, peak oil, acid rain, global cooling, etc etc etc.
Nolan Ramirez
You must have missed the identical peak oil hysteria in what, 1917? When there was only 5 years of oil left then?
Just remember that nobody knows anything, and you'll be fine.
Josiah White
oh yeah "acid rain" hahaha i forgot that one. there was one summer when i was a kid where i was legit terrified to be outside in the rain because of some discovery channel bullshit i had seen
Joseph Turner
As a theoretical concept it is true (one day we are bound to run out of oil), although many people predicted it to take place much earlier than it will happen. I'm sure it was largely because of shilling and fear mongering, but it's hard to blame many people, because there were just too many unknown factors to be counted in.
Anthony Smith
It was always contentious and it was never settled science the way climate change is. But you seem like you've decided on your opinion and you're looking to confirm it
Gabriel Collins
They have a "Climate Change" sceanario all the time, i remember when i was in school it was the hole in the ozone layer people were afraid of. (((They))) make these scenarios up to distract people.
Carson Martinez
I've read that there is enough natural gas off the coast of Greece to make it the new Saudi Arabia. Scarcity is manufactured. And 'Global Warming' is just a manufactured global crisis used to implement global solutions - jew world order communism.
>"A New World Order is required to deal with the Climate Change crisis." -Mikhail Gorbachev
>"The emerging 'environmentalization' of our civilization and the need for vigorous action in the interest of the entire global community will inevitably have multiple political consequences. Perhaps the most important of them will be a gradual change in the status of the United Nations. Inevitably, it must assume some aspects of a world government." -Mikhail Gorbachev
I think peak oil just got rolled into the climate change stuff
Colton Scott
we're already passed the peak and are sailing on the plateau after it
Brayden Morgan
ozone layer whole too, yeah, i remember that one. between this and the guy who mentioned "acid rain" this thread is bringing back many 90's doomsday memories.
is Y2K gonna happen?
Hudson Williams
>(((They))) make these scenarios up to distract people. It's more than simply a distraction. They create problems so they can present "solutions". These "scenarios" are used to drive their agenda.
Caleb Sanders
wow user is real redpilled on this issue, and getting to the heart of what all of this crap is honestly about in the end
Robert Collins
Ah yes, the hole in the ozone layer. Add that one to the list here: The thing with climate change or related shit is that it's all completely unfalsifiable, and whenever one eco-apocalypse revelation is around long enough without coming true, they slowly phase it out and switch to something else.
It's the same tactic they'll use for things like the "muh russia" conspiracy regarding DJT's election.
Robert Gutierrez
case in point
Nolan Garcia
"lets break the peoples legs so we can sell them crutches"
Logan Williams
Mate, there's enough oil under Texas to fuel the world for the next 100 years.
Shale oil is something we couldn't access before, and it's greatly expanded our oil sources. We no longer need traditional wells, we can frack it much more cheaply
There have been revealed to be massive untapped shale reserves all over the world, under Germany, Brazil, Africa....everywhere.
Gavin Flores
The theory is sound behind it. Once you hit peak oil resources due to investment in infrastructure related to it and technology, the supply would decrease far more quickly than it could be supplemented. As a result, there would eventually be scarcity since demand outpaced supply, prices would rise, and it would be not only economically feasible but actually preferable to use wind, hydro, and solar power infrastructure for energy. They just didn't take into account how much fucking oil is on this planet.
Logan Adams
yes so essentially it was all crap to begin with, and everyone who was claimed to be a "oil company shill" for saying none of this was going to come to crisis was totally right all along because this is essentially the arguments they were using. ok, cool
Gavin Perez
this
and all the renewables are still increasing total power generation install base AND we're going to be increasingly adopting electric vehicles (they will become cheaper than ICE in every single way)
Solar is already at grid parity in much of the southern US. Even here in Canada my solar installation cost per kw/h is 14 cents, and I'm paying 12 cents kw/h right now. If I just look at it from the point of view of energy security, it already makes sense to invest the small cost in solar and we don't even get tons of sunlight here.
We no longer NEED oil.
Daniel Murphy
Good links. The whole "green" movement is basically just another arm of the overall marxist ZOG conspiracy. Any way they can think of as to why whitey needs to limit himself and punish himself, they'll come up with. You know none of this eco-shit is legit because they never take the obvious route if it were legit.
For example, they'll go on and on about how people are ruining the environment, but then they'll tell us that we need ever-expanding populations to keep the economy floating. They'll tell us not to have kids, while also subsidizing 3rd world birthrates and importing them here. If we were serious about global warming (>implying it's an actual threat) the best solution would be to shut off 3rd world gibs, embargo africa, and let them tear their continent apart until there are just subsistence-level african hunter-gathers left at a low population.
Julian Hill
The ozone layer's a case of taking action and getting results though
industrial CFC's were destroying the ozone layer. We stopped dumping CFC's into the atmosphere, the ozone layer healed up.
That's a really bad case to use as an example for what you're trying to say.
Juan Lopez
Even if we didn't have shale, we've found massive traditional wells all over the place as well with our new scouting technology
Using just what we know about now, we'd have enough oil for 500 years or more. Of course, this assumes Africa doesn't industrialize.
Likely renewables will eliminate the need for oil entirely within 50 years
Henry Brown
So there's a difference between "peak oil (production)" as it's commonly known and what I guess you'd call "oil depletion." Peak oil refers technically to peak oil production, the point at which we are getting the absolute maximum out of the ground that we can. The thinking was, though, that once we hit this point production would decline afterwards. That's not been borne out thus far, I think in large part due to the success of fracking. You've got to look at the context of when this theory came about to see why people placed such great emphasis on it. It was developed in the mid 1950s, and then not even 20 years later we had the OPEC oil embargo. Suddenly that theory seems less silly to people, despite there being a big difference between a man-made embargo and extracting all the worlds oil from the ground. But anyways that guy's theories got a lot more credence after that, and they were probably the prevailing wisdom when your teachers and professors were being educated.
Basically though the predictions were premature. We will cross this rubicon eventually, but probably not anytime in the next few years. Also, given that we see stuff like Tesla and alternative energy stuff becoming more popular, it's increasingly likely that any effects of oil depletion will be less severe because we'll be ready for the changes.
All you encountered was outmoded thinking, I wouldn't try to apply some sort of conspiratorial bent to it. The government didn't come up with this theory, it was a bunch of oil company scientists.
Ethan Brown
Where is the peak oil guise?
Aaron Martinez
>africa >industrialize
Colton Harris
it hardly matters when every 10 years there's a new set of "environmental crises" that are going to end everything, and anyone who speaks out about them being fake is a "oil company shill" and a "massive piece of human shit" and then they all turn out to be absolutely nothing
Blake Morales
I can tell that you didn't finish college
Nicholas Davis
I still liked his documentary because I love doomsday stuff. I eat that shit up.
Bentley Sanchez
Well anyway, if the third world is pushed up to a first world living standard, the rate at which oil is consumed will quadruple
Leo Clark
everything here is a conspiracy
posters itt should pay attention to this post however, because it's the reality of the situation
Thomas Torres
It's kind of like the Malthusian crisis, just because it didn't happen yet doesn't mean it never will. It's sound in principle. The earth DOES have a carrying capacity.
Jaxson Walker
But Bill Nye told me that we need to punish white people for having kids while subsidizing nigerian women's 8 kids.
Angel Gomez
You mean until we hit peak lithium or some rare earth metal?
Aaron Lewis
people in this thread trying to defend peak oil and explain why all of this happening are missing the point of the rhetoric, the false predictions, the fear mongering, the attacks on those with dissenting opinions, and how it was all harnessed for political gain and to shame whitey for this "evil capitalistic system" that was supposedly destroying the environment and ruining all of our lives.
in reality there was never any threat. there was tons and tons and tons of oil and though it's always known that its a finite resource, there was such a huge timeframe to develop other energy sources, and that was obvious enough to these assholes promising it would be "an end to everything", that it was literally never even a thing that should have been put on anyones radar
Eli Johnson
I like how by the year 2100, somehow we still don't manage to produce as much energy as 2000. Clearly the idiot who made this picture put lots of thought into it.
And apparently solar, wind, and hydro electricity all declined until the year 2000... from 1900... before solar was invented. For some reason hydro gets 2 colours. Whoever made this should kill themselves unless they're younger than 12, honestly. This graph makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Nothing matches up with actual values.
Grayson Thomas
It's actually fracking related technology that's pushed the peak back.
Daniel Roberts
We've already figured out ways to synthesize oil from other processes. It's a bit more expensive, but we can do it
Christian Adams
IF
But it's not going to happen. Not because the 3rd world won't industrialize, but because when and while they do, they will have access to cheaper clean energy.
We are moving away from oil dependence. We no longer need it. It's just that this isn't apparent to everyone yet.
Jaxson Lopez
The Stone age didn't end for lack of Stone.
Cooper Reed
You are a deluded moron
Julian Jenkins
It'll happen the same way it's happening with oil now:
1. We'll hit peak production 2. Output will decline slowly, not instantly 3. As prices rise, alternatives become more attractive 4. In the end, whatever alternatives are renewable/cost effective will be what we use
As far as rare earth's go - they're not particularly rare, and most of north america's barely even been looked at for rare earth exploitation. We'll probably see production expand in north america as factories are brought back over to the mainland from offshore.
Bentley White
not an argument
:^)
John Green
But that's the whole point; the sort of fear-mongering like peak oil doesn't take into account entry-level economics or anything else. If one source naturally becomes less viable, alternatives become more viable anyway. It's not a big deal.
Brayden Cooper
How has your life been negatively impacted by fear mongering related to peak oil? I am genuinely curious. I come from a family of scientists and engineers so I am privileged enough to get a lot of straight talk on these sorts of issues.
Are you being oppressed in any way? Or are you just looking for something else to be angry about?
Nicholas Bailey
they do this all the time. I guess it sells.
David Peterson
> it's okay to manipulate people if it's for what I think is the greater good
Yes, my life has been harmed by all these fucking liberal retards that 'peak oil' helped create.
Josiah Wood
It's should be obvious to most here who is behind these crises by the terminology they use alone. Anyone who doubts "global warming" is a climate change "denier". Denier/denial - who's favorite word is that, I wonder?
Zachary Perez
Yeah, I was referring to oil extraction technology on the whole, but you're absolutely right.
Blake Bailey
are you fucking serious dude? aside from the fact that it was all BS it stoked paranoia and fear in myself and every supposedly "educated" person from my generation?!?!?! it was used by liberals as an effective means of shaming generations before, thus creating conflict between young people and their parents (same way global warming does now). there were perpetual taxes and regulations and legislations that were justified by these supposed "catastrophic" happenings that were always just on the horizon. and aside from that, it's bad enough just having to live in a world where "the powers that be" use these fake narratives as a means to push their globalist kike agenda
"how has your life been negatively effected by fear mongering" stfu loser, go throw yourself in a woodchipper serious. faggot
>literally trying to defend the fact that the system pushes these lies by claiming that "they didn't negatively effect you"
you need to be physically removed, and when humans wake up they will do just that to you
Jace Martin
All the Malthusian scare did was forcing indirect population control like faggotry, abortion and the pill while letting niggers breed like rats.
Kayden Mitchell
I used to believe this back in 2012. Is a scam.
>oil can be produced in labs (is not cheap) >there's plenty of resources in sand oil in canada to last centuries (is not cheap) >solar is taking off in the third world >solar industry is now making solar panels that can be used in normal windows and as normal glass or solar panels that imitate other materials so they can be aesthetic >solar can produce 100x times more energy than what current world consumes >space mining
Is a kike trick to gain control.
Jaxson Kelly
As a petroleum engineer, I can tell you that due to fracking and other enhanced oil recovery methods, we are nowhere near peak oil.
With conventional drilling, you are lucky to get 30% recovery. But with enhanced methods such as fraccing or various injections, we are getting recoveries of close to 100%. Companies are reworking old reservoirs to get that extra 70%.
Also there is a huge revolution taking place in the oil industry right now. I'm not talking about fraccing. Things are changing from analytical to numerical solutions. Previously everything was a guessing game. Now we are using complex Finite Element Analysis software to find numerical approximations for problems that we could only guess at before.
Daniel Mitchell
yeah population control that's always part of it. all any of these environmental crises ever are is an atempt to play up the "humans are bad and are wrecking all of the natural earth, therefore they need to be eradicated, or at the very least accept worse living conditions (aka more taxes like "carbon tax") while we (your mighty and magnanimous rulers) take your money in order to fix this mess you created"
all more bullshit to keep the people in line, make them feel like they need government, make them feel like they're getting screwed for a noble cause rather than just to line their rulers pockets
Bentley Allen
Was Ruppert a CIA plant or what?
His book Crossing the Rubicon got me into 9/11 truth, but he focuses on Peak Oil as the motive, almost like it was inevitable.
Blake Brown
So basically you guys are just annoyed by this. I thought you were going to tell me you'd lost your jobs or something.
I look forward to your next threads detailing the various evils of other "scares." Maybe we can do Big Food and Saturated Fat next.
Cooper Perry
sour cream and gelatin aren't vegan but gingerale and corona are
everyone cheats on their diet unless you have a moral obligation not to
Isaac Fisher
>defending world governments spreading what are now known to have been patently false lies, and defending them for literally no apparent reason other than "i love my governments"
Isaac Young
Exactly. And it gave them the excuse they needed to tax us for taking hot showers, while they float around on private yachts bigger than a football field.
Brayden Rivera
>have a problem >intelligent people create a solution, solve problem >flyover rednecks deny the problem ever existed and manage to use the situation to put down political opposition (muh fearmongering libruls!) Happened with ozone depletion (pretty much fixed with Montreal Protocol, CFC ban), acid rain (largely fixed with 1990 amendment to CAA that significantly cut nitrogen oxide emissions) and peak oil (partially fixed with discovery of new sources and enhanced extraction methods, kicked can down road), now it's happening with climate change
Levi Lopez
>His book Crossing the Rubicon got me into 9/11 truth, but he focuses on Peak Oil as the motive considering we didn't even take the oil in iraq, it pretty much blows his narrative out of the water.
at the time that book was written, "peak oil" was the most popular boogeyman around. way more popular than "climate change" was back then. just more kikery and bullshittery and "anti-US propaganda".
probably thought he was getting a two for one. gets to shill against the US for 9/11 and gets to push the kike "peak oil" lie.
Julian Roberts
>peak oil we're at peak oil right now, dingus.
Jose Collins
All of these scams always have the same goal in mind. De-industrialization.
Joseph Clark
And once (((they))) get what they want, they'll claim that they fixed the climate since the earth is actually cooling.
In times past, they also used solar eclipses to extract money from the plebs. They'd tell them that God was angry with them and was taking away the sun unless they made tribute. Once they received payment, the sun would magically reappear. The Gods are pleased again. Disaster averted.
Logan Hughes
So is Greater Israel the true motivation for the Middle East wars?
Xavier Gutierrez
>be an old fag >when I was 10 it was acid rain >when I was 15 it was the ozone >when I was 20 it was rainforest destruction >when I was 25 it was global warming >when I was 30 it was peak oil >now it's climate change
The memes never end
Dominic Long
That and to bring us all down and mix us all up so they can rule the mocha masses of slaves from Jerusalem.
Ayden Miller
IMO? take the banking redpill. every nation we've invaded (iraq, afganistan, libya) and every nation we currently have major issues with (iran, NK, cuba) are basically the only countries left without rothschild owned central banks.
when we went into iraq, afganistan and when we took out ghaddafi in libya, we installed those central banks. only iran, NK and cuba don't have them now.
i do believe that NK and iran are a genuine threat to us, but i think it's clear what the real motivations behind those other wars are (esp iraq, which we had NO business whatsoever being in)
:(
Dylan Green
>People still get baited by peak oil while peak phosphorus is gonna happen much sooner and will be much more catastrophic
Elijah Taylor
Of course. Notice how the border of the "Kurdistan" they want so badly just so happens to line up with the northwestern border of greater israel.
Jackson Reyes
Peak oil never happened because the industry discovered new methods of drilling (fracking) and are now able to reach deposits that were previously unreachable. It's really that simple. Of course these new methods require a ton of investment capital and expertise to employ. The US is the only nation that can employ those resources in any meaningful way. The rest of the world may face shortages of petroleum, but not the US.
Daniel Ross
Shit, I forgot about the rainforest destruction and things like Ferngully. That rainforest shit was all the hype back in the early 90s.
when you see NO ONE talking about that stuff afterwards, you either have to think that they all just decided to stop caring and its still actually going on, or it was never a thing that was happening in the first place.
Isaiah Perry
>>when I was 10 it was acid rain >>when I was 15 it was the ozone >>when I was 20 it was rainforest destruction >memes See Also are you seriously implying rainforest deforestation is no problem
Lincoln Russell
Not really, If Europe doesn't get the caucasian oil, it will be dependent on Russia, which at some point needs to pay for the technology, or better, we need pay for it. It will be war, like 1939, same reasons, same opponents, I hope you guys stay out this time
Lincoln Ramirez
idiot
Jordan Richardson
something tells me you're REALLY missing the point of the post bro
Nicholas Harris
You have to ask?
Make sure you've read, "A Clean Break, defending the realm"
Josiah Sullivan
Indeed. That's a big deal. European energy needs are hugely disproportionately dependent on Russia. The USSR worked to make that a reality back in the day. The politics are about to make the economics difficult.
Jackson Robinson
oh yeah, fucking ferngully, that kids movie where ordinary, blue-collar construction workers and totally regular dudes were literally the antagonists of the film
Jaxon Allen
Technology advanced and we can now refine oil that back then couldn't be used.
Cooper Nguyen
Based free market.
Wyatt Perez
>Also are you seriously implying rainforest deforestation is no problem I wouldn't like to see another acre of rain forest destroyed, but deforestation due to farming as an issue is being overblown as justification to push us away from eating beef and towards a vegan diet full of phytoestrogens in a bid to cure "toxic masculinity".
Christopher Gutierrez
>i do believe that NK and iran are a genuine threat to us
They're not. First of all, they're both rational actors. Indeed, Pakistan hates us way more than Iran and we don't say shit about their nukes. Fatboy in NK merely wants his cognac(?) and comfy living--much proof that he is not ideological in the least. Iranians have good reason to pursue nuke tech both for energy generation (inb4 they have plenty of energy on-tap--they don't), and for denying us a free hand like we had in Iraq.
The US taught the "axis of evil" one thing--if you have nukes, we won't bother you. I think it's a stupid equation if one really wants war with a small-nuke holder--nukes aren't world-enders any more than a pistol has "stopping power."
Benjamin Gutierrez
What happened is productivity. Fracking and other improvements made more oil financially recoverable, more reserves were found to exploit, and so on. There's a fuckton of oil in American formations they had no idea was recoverable decades ago, but is easy to get at now.
"Peak oil" will happen eventually as oil supplies are finite, but we've definitely shoved the date much further ahead than estimated.
Carson Edwards
yeah this is actually just anti-us propaganda though. north korea is def a legitimate threat to us, esp if they have warheads now that they're firing off with the US in range.
this legit gets the "dumbest post ever" award on my part, but then again, i know you probably don't even believe what you're saying, just pushing an agenda
Alexander Gonzalez
well if your greatest ally wouldn't have lighten the fuse of the powder barrels, we could import from somewhere else, but now we are importing something more explosive from the region. But hey, that's realism. At least stay out of Europe when Germany goes nuts again, or Europe may side with Russia
Lucas Brooks
you 'intelligent' people didn't solve shit. Go preach your bs to the Chinese and Indians and see how far you get.
