I figured I would make this meme since no one knows what fascist means

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>thinking national socalism is a totally unique ideology and not fascist

youre a retarded LARPer, just like every other single self professed fascist

I don't know man. National Socialism and Fascism is still far too left for me. Both have failed because they are too soft. We need something a lot harder.

Fascism is neither left or right, it's third position.

sure. Just like there are three genders right faggot?

It's not capitalist or communist/socialist.

>political views are determined by chromosomes

And that's why there's only two, right?

Anarcho-Capitalism is narcissistic materialist ideology.

It literally is though. It criticizes both international capitalism and international socialism

Left and Right isn't Socialism and Capitalism

>thinking national socalism is a totally unique ideology and not fascist
But it is though. Mussolini hated NatSoc.

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Holy shit ancap education everyone

>It's not capitalist
It is.

Are you a liberal? Because this is a shit meme

>AnCrap flag
Are you Republican or Democrat? Anything else is SJW made up bullshit.

Fascism literally requires the government having the power to shut down any business or corporation they want. Without that authority to protect society, it's not fascism.

"If the third political theory [fascism] criticised capitalism from the Right, and the second [communism] from the Left, then the new stage no longer features this political topography: it is impossible to determine where the Right and the Left are located in relation to postliberalism. There are only two positions: compliance (the centre) and dissent (the periphery). Both positions are global. The Fourth Political Theory is the amalgamation of a common project and arises from a common impulse to everything that was discarded, toppled, and humiliated during the course of constructing ‘the society of the spectacle’ (constructing postmodernity)." -A.Dugin

Any fascist literature recomendations?

Italy nationalized most industries, forced workers to join national unions, and gave certain industries competitive advantage through market interfercence. Franco was barely fascist (and the original Falangism abhorred cpitalism) while Pinochet was a dictator, but not a fascist. So no, it is not capitalist.

Fascists supported private property rights and the profit motive of capitalism, they shared many goals with and often allied with the conservatives of their day. Just because they weren't your ebin classical liberals doesn't mean they weren't pro-capitalist.

Most modern socialism allows for markets and property to exist. The primary difference between socialism and capitalism is government regulation of said market, and fascism is undeniably the former.

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no. Capitalism is a free market, while fascism is state controlled market. The only people who would look at fascism and think its capitalist are stupid leftist who think corporatism is capitalistic. Having the government fund a few select companies within various industries while making it illegal to form a competitive company is extremely anti-capitalistic

It is undeniably socialist user.

Fascists supported private property rights and the profit motive of capitalism, they shared many goals with and often allied with the conservatives of their day. Just because they weren't your ebin classical liberals doesn't mean they weren't pro-capitalist.
>Italy nationalized most industries
During the Depression most Western states turned to state ownership and so, that doesn't imply they weren't capitalist.

>forced workers to join national unions
To take away power from independent worker led unions filled with actual socialists

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_the_Vidoni_Palace
>The pact abolished Catholic, Socialist and all other independent unions, declaring Fascist-controlled unions to have a monopoly on labour representation

>Evidence suggests that the CGII had pointed out to Mussolini that worker councils were dominated by socialists and therefore had to be disbanded

>Falangism abhorred cpitalism
Nonsene. Like most fascists of their time they use leftist sounding rhetoric and aesthetics while being much in favor of class collaboration

> Pinochet was a dictator, but not a fascist.
Pinochet kept the copper industry nationalized and nationalized banks yet i don't believe you'd call him anti-capitalist

>ancaps are political brainlets and don't understand basic ideological principles
no suprises here

Everybody thinks fascism = oppression for some reason.
There are no genders SJW faggot.
There is capitalist fascism.

>Just because they weren't your ebin classical liberals doesn't mean they weren't pro-capitalist.
this is true, fascists don't have a problem with a capitalist run market as long as it benefits the people and the country, not some fat jew on top of the hierarchy. NatSoc was/is more critical of capitalism which resulted in more regulation, government intervention and "socialist" systems like payed vacation and free education for the nation's youth.

>There is capitalist fascism.

no there isnt. Capitalism is a free market. Fascism is a state controlled market and corporatism. Fascism is based in socialism

hope this is bait otherwise you should be euthanized you are that stupid.

Your opinion is spouted a lot on Sup Forums however. I see a lot of very confused teenagers thinking fascism/natsoc is capitalism w/ genocide.

Can we just rangeban all ancap posters already holy fuck

I wish we could. Overwhelming majority of LARP flag posts are shitposts though.

Bollocks, there is capitalist fascism (hell, the biggest subgroup within the fascist movement are capitalist fascists). Fascism isn't based in socialsm, you're confusing it with NatSoc which has always been the more "socialist" of the two.
Fascism has no problem with a free market as long as it doesn't intervene with the nationalistic narrative and as long as it is beneficial for the people.

>It is undeniably socialist
It was so socialist that when Mussolini started losing hold on power he pleaded to Italy that he was sorry for selling them out and claimed to have changed, which was another lie of course

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Social_Republic
>During the existence of the Italian Social Republic, Mussolini, whose government had banned trade unions and strikes, began to make increasingly populist appeals to the working class. He claimed to regret many of the decisions made earlier in supporting the interests of big business

>as long as the free market doesn't harm or hinder or the people
Then it's not a free market.

>being this dense
>thinking there are a finite number of ideas pinned to a single-axis spectrum

Holy shit you ancaps are fucking retarded

>I see a lot of very confused teenagers thinking fascism/natsoc is capitalism
It is you who is confused.

What's the difference between a fascist and the guys wearing the Nazi flags? (legitimate question)

define LARP flags

I tend to agree that the muslim, lgbt, kekistani, UN,... flags are just there for LARPing however the ideology flags serve a purpose on a politics board

so because fascism doesn't go full ancap it's somehow not capitalist at all but full blown state controlled marxism? Not 1 country in the world has a 100% free market right now yet we still define most of the countries in the world as capitalist.

That's foolish. The false dichotomy of red vs blue is simply a way of forcing the vastly different views Americans have into a dumbed down us vs them way of thinking

Fascism in a simple definition is defined as Nationalistic policy implemented by the government. Thats more of an oversimplification, a better explanation is that its nationalism by force. If something harms the nation, it is not permitted. Heavily regulated economy and society, to benefit the people of that society.

Only under National Socialism do they say that only members of the race may become a citizen however. Fascism is open to foreigners of different types. Mussolini was much more open to diversity than Hitler.

Mussolini was a socialist and if anything Fascism is to be considered socialist. same thing with nazism (national socialism).
Today's lefties are a cancer to the world and while I'm not a socialist at all it would be better to have old time socialist like Duterte or Mussolini than current nigger huggers lefties.

I believe Mussolinis definition was the merger of state and corporations, and that sometimes ends up being mixed up. The government controls the corporations, not the other way around. The people who caused those corporations to be justified in being controlled by the government are probably some pretty shit cunts, and can be dealt with appropriately.

>political views are determined by chromosomes
Yes they are, since communists have too many.

>Fascism isn't based in socialsm, you're confusing it with NatSoc which has always been the more "socialist" of the two.

no, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Fascism, an Italian ideology, was based on former socialist who became disillusioned with socialist parties, who they saw as sell outs and do nothing failures, so they formed a sort of "super socialism" Remember, Mussolini was a radical socialist in his younger days. Nazism is not really different from this core belief at all

>Fascism has no problem with a free market

again, you need a free market for it to be capitalist. Fascism literally cant allow a free market as the state is the one and all and must control and regulate everything. Fascist outright say their economic ideals are corporatist

Two different kinds of socialism youre talking about there. National Socialism is not a "socialist" ideology in that when you simply say socialist, its implied marxist socialism. The National Socialist version of Socialist means something totally different.

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Fascism takes a more big picture approach. If capitalism is working out for the society, roll with it. If it isn't then do something else. It's kind of like in the video game civilization where you choose your economic or political system based on what you think you need to do well in the game. The closest real world example I can think of is the Communist Party of China where they are capitalist only insofar as it helps the PRC and have no qualms about overriding the free market if they deem it necessary.

>Mussolini was a socialist
Italy under Mussolini was not socialist

>same thing with nazism (national socialism).
ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

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Thank you, will read. Heres a quick read by Goebbels thats also related.

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Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

You figured well my son.

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly.

It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.

Socialism is possible only in a state that is united domestically and free internationally. The bourgeoisie and Marxism are responsible for failing to reach both goals, domestic unity and international freedom. No matter how national and social these two forces present themselves, they are the sworn enemies of a socialist national state.

We must therefore break both groups politically. The lines of German socialism are sharp, and our path is clear.

We are against the political bourgeoisie, and for genuine nationalism!

We are against Marxism, but for true socialism!

We are for the first German national state of a socialist nature!

We are for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party!

>again, you need a free market for it to be capitalist
I agree but how big a margin do you take before you consider the market to be free? I mean most ideologies don't support a completely free market yet a lot of them can still be categorised as capitalist economic models, no?
Fascist economies were ofc totally different from modern capitalist markets but to call it socialism is also wrong.

>I mean most ideologies don't support a completely free market yet a lot of them can still be categorised as capitalist economic models, no?

yeah, there is a degree of "free" and its not a simple "free or not free market" thing, but completely controlling the economy and corprotism is not free at all. If some guy comes up with an idea for a better light bulb, he would be arrested under fascism because hes seeking personal profit at the cost of whatever company they chose to support, while in the long run, the nation and the world itself is deprived of a better lightbulb. This market competition is what drives innovation.

Theres free markets, mixed economies, I think regulated capitalism is a term. National Socialism retains capitalist elements while not being a capitalistic ideology. People can start and own private businesses, set their wages within reason (productivity must be rewarded etc, and no excessive profits type stuff without giving some back to employees or the state) Industries may end up being privately owned, but they are required to share profits with the nation like a company might decide to do on its own, in our society. I dont know exactly if the profits shared went to the factor itself, or just the state. Im not a specialist on all this, but anyways, corporations were to be absorbed by the state with trusts. Its anti-corporate, anti-dumping your shit in our lakes for your profit etc. but still maintains a lot of individuality. Of course only members of the race are allowed to be citizens, and Im pretty sure only citizens are allowed to own businesses and exercise any degree of influence in the country.

>National Socialism and Fascism is still far too left for me
>has an ancap flag
If we punched right, we wouldn't hit you, faggot.