One thing that REALLY got to me was the fact that it glorifies the elites. One of the main characters was this rich asshole who owned a Yacht who went to save the soldiers. Thing is England had a class divide (and still do), rich people considered themselves superior both morally and physically to the lower classes (soldiers). No rich person would ever risk their lives saving soldiers when the wealthy see the working class as the scum of the earth. I call the movie dumbkirk for making a rich guy the hero.
>inb4 communist
This has nothing to do with communism, ask any Englishmen if England has a class divide
>One thing that REALLY got to me was the fact that it glorifies the elites. That's where I stopped reading, then I saged the thread.
Mason Hernandez
>communist flag poster Stopped reading right there
Hudson Collins
SPOILERS The rich guy lost his son in the war dumbass, that's why he went.
Ayden Martin
Enjoy your ban then
>rich people >ever losing family members in war Wars are ALWAYS fought by the working classes. In real Dunkirk the rich stayed behind sipping tea and talking about how the war is a great Malthusian way to kill off the poor while the working class sailers actually saved the soldiers lives.
Easton Thomas
>No rich person would ever risk their lives saving soldiers when the wealthy see the working class as the scum of the earth Got any statistics to back this up?
Brody Turner
Real sorry OP we don't have a class divide. What we do have is fat fucks living in council houses claiming every benefit in the book saying theirs a divide, when in truth there isn't
Oliver Moore
I can't prove a negative. I know that no one who was wealthy actually fought in the war or had their kids fight in the war, and if they did join the military they were never a front-line private. Always some office position. This is evident by the lack of any sources to any wealthy soldier.
Brody Green
>Triarii >They were the oldest and among the wealthiest men in the army and could afford high quality equipment. They wore heavy metal armor and carried large shields, their usual position being the third battle line. They were equipped with spears and were considered to be elite soldiers among the legion.
Landon Gutierrez
Well I don't know about today but DEFINENTLY pre 1950s. I still believe there is one today though since wealthy English consider non-wealthy English subhuman.
Daniel Robinson
Yes we do have a class divide. Unfortunately even that's withering away until we are one amorphous consumerist blob with no other culture than McDonalds and Netflix. Class divides occur organiaclly because contrary to Marxist theory, people are different and much of that difference is predetermined biologically. We are not a tabula rasa. Some individuals are worth more than others.
Christian Stewart
So they literally didn't fight, they sat behind everyone else? HAHAHAHAHA
Bro, Macdonalds and Netflix is CLASS DIVIDE, the wealthy elite bougoiuse. Also yes maybe there is some "natural hierarchy" as some right-wingers put it. But why does one group get 99% of the resources since they are a bit better than everyone else.
Besides it's not like intelligence is passed down from generation to generation.
Daniel Russell
>I know that no one who was wealthy actually fought in the war or had their kids fight in the war, and if they did join the military they were never a front-line private 690 million people served in WW2, I'm gonna need to see some actual proof that not one of those people was wealthy.
Joshua Martinez
Our lowest class is subhuman, just look up the Jeremy Kyle show
Joseph Walker
>nolan is a fucking hack >water is wet
Jack Evans
>Wars are ALWAYS fought by the working classes. In real Dunkirk the rich stayed behind sipping tea and talking about how the war is a great Malthusian way to kill off the poor while the working class sailers actually saved the soldiers lives.
>their usual position being the third battle line. Yeah dude, they literally just sat around and watched not doing anything. The Roman Republic paid them to stand 20 feet away from their enemies and not fight.
That's exactly how it works.
Isaiah Thompson
Wars are ALWAYS fought by the working classes. In real Dunkirk the rich stayed behind sipping tea and talking about how the war is a great Malthusian way to kill off the poor while the working class sailers actually saved the soldiers lives
There was a draft you dumb fuck.
Tyler Reed
>Besides it's not like intelligence is passed down from generation to generation. Except it is. You can influence it environmentally to varying degrees but there's a physical basis to it.
Prove to me there was one wealthy soldier. Trying to prove there wasn't one is like trying to prove non of the soldiers were transgender, it's up to the one standing there is one to find it. How can i do a negative search, read the bio of every single fucking soldier and then say it?
So the men who formed the industrial revolution were subhuman, all those scientists like Newton and Hook were subhuman, Margaret Thatcher was subhuman?
Gabriel Williams
I read that article too, and guess what. They say that the wealthy served in the army not fought in the army. John McCains son was in the war but he served in an office ordering poor people around
Sure buddy, capitalism totally sends the wealthy kids off to die
>draft The draft is how they ensured only poor people got sent. By only selecting the poor. That's why you never hear any Senators or royalty getting drafted it's always factory workers and fishermen.
Charles Wright
I just proved to you that Triarii were wealthier and higher class than an average legionnaire and they still fought in battle.
You have a scrawny dog in the fight, that's why you're being so disingenuous.
Eli Myers
I really hate to use anecdotal but I find that's not true. My dad is MENSA IQ but I'm special needs and have several learning disabilities. My friend's dad is a rich corporate owner and he's in special education class as well. Intelligence maybe passed from mother/father to son often but no way will intelligence be passed down for 500 years which is how long these noble families last
It's literally all propaganda
They didn't fight, they were third which means they sat behind two rows of men.
Zachary Howard
4. The upper class got off lightly Although the great majority of casualties in WW1 were from the working class, the social and political elite were hit disproportionately hard by WW1. Their sons provided the junior officers whose job it was to lead the way over the top and expose themselves to the greatest danger as an example to their men. Some 12% of the British army's ordinary soldiers were killed during the war, compared with 17% of its officers. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two. Anthony Eden lost two brothers, another brother of his was terribly wounded, and an uncle was captured.
Caleb Davis
>They didn't fight, they were third which means they sat behind two rows of men. This is true
Brayden Myers
Ok I admit you are right there, but why only 20% serve? I thought all young men served yet only 20% at Eton?
Nolan Garcia
George Joseph and S. Daniel Abraham.
Ryan Rodriguez
It's just if all wars are created by the rich for their own enrichment why would they personally fight?
Hudson Cooper
Maggie and Newton were far from poor, Maggie's dad owning a couple of stores and Newton's owning land, Newton was born in a manor (pic related) but you already know this as this is a bait thread.
Furthermore the is a difference between the scum class seen on Jeremy Kyle and working class people, but as a trend the lower class you are the uglier
Dylan Campbell
>They didn't fight Explain why they were in battle and did fight then? Did you ever hear the saying "it comes down to the Triarii?" Not like you'd admit it even if you did, but the fact was that usually the light troops in front would defeat the enemy before the third line was ever needed.
If your argument is "rich people have never fought" then it's absolutely wrong. If your argument was "rich people are considered more important so didn't fight AS MUCH" you'd be onto something. But that's not your argument so that makes you retarded.
>armed men on the battlefield didn't take part in combat, they were they for decoration
Commies confirmed for pea-brained.
Anthony Gray
You just answered your own question.
Samuel Hughes
>all wars are created by the rich for their own enrichment Oh come off it. Let's say we get rid of the ruling class (as your ilk brutally did in France and Russia) you think it will be all smiles and roses? Aggression is human nature. People have in-group preferences. People will naturally form groups and given that resources are scarce, conflict will erupt over these resources between groups.
Angel Murphy
You have to understand Marxist Theory. Just because someone has wealth doesn't mean they aren't working/lower class. The wealthy/upper class are those who own the corporate state or in the Feudal times owned the land. Margaret Thatcher's dad owned two grocery stores. I like to compare myself to her since grandfather owned two grocery stores and despite being the richest person in the town he grew up in still liked to consider himself proletariat since he is still a victim of the police state, the military industrial complex, the legal industrial complex, the banking scams of wallstreet, the FED pumping prices up, and the economic drain of wealth of the capitalist class.
Even doctors and top notch lawyers are proletariet since they are not the rich. The rich are those who hire them.
Joseph Jackson
What a fucking tryhard. Shitposts with the communist flag. Edgy 22 year old gaylord. The quality of shitposts has gone down. Ppl like you are a dime a dozen now.
Mason Edwards
Except the rich don't care about wealth that much to actually serve in the war, and it's not like them serving in the war would add any effect to their wealth. It's much better to force proletariets to fight for you.
Sorry for flag change. Haven't been on for a while and was curious what the kekistani flag was
Bro, the ruling class NEVER gotten rid of. You see in France it was replaced with military dictators and crony capitalists. In Russia it was replaced with the Communist Inner Party members, each fighting for the enrichment of themselves.
Wars over resources are actually the dumbest idea ever because wars cost more in resources than they can obtain. Look at the Middle East war, all the oil they could possibly capture isn't enough with a 5% profit margin (profit margin of oil) to pay down the 6 TRILLION dollar debt that those wars cost.
Isaac Jones
At least i don't have the cringy Christian flag.
Logan Hill
>>armed men on the battlefield didn't take part in combat, they were they for decoration
The Triarii were the last line of defense. Not the first or even the middle. This means they could run if things got bad. Or perhaps they would surrender. Or perhaps they would destroy the enemy once everyone else died.
In a war the best place to be is always in the rear with the gears.
Dylan Robinson
So if a doctor works self-employed or is hired in a private or public hospital then he is proletariat, but if he later on makes his own hospital and hires other people he becomes a capitalist?
Justin Long
>Except the rich don't care about wealth that much to actually serve in the war, and it's not like them serving in the war would add any effect to their wealth You're assuming that wealth is the only motivating factor for war. Given the examples that have been provided of rich fighting in war, that is obviously not the case.
Robert Wood
>still arguing that armed men on the battlefield were decorations
Levi Jones
Oh look... A rich kid arguing for communism! Where exactly are you from?
Sebastian Moore
don't reply to posters who don't show their real location
Jayden Long
You got it! I'm actually grateful for that because it seems like most people on the board consider anyone who doesn't work in a factory to be bougaise. Whenever i see "well if commies killed the bougaise doctors and lawyers how do they blah blah blah". Anyone who's not the corporate controllers are proles under Marxist theory.
Then what are the causes of war, ww1, what motivations would a country have to serve in that and want to win.
Kayden Jenkins
I'm far from rich. And it doesn't really matter where I'm from since people everywhere are the same (either proles or bourgs). And even if i was rich again it's not the "rich" who are the problem, no one considers lottery winners the source of our economic mess. It's the capitalists those who constantly suck resources from society.
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Isaac Butler
I'll show the flag if you want.
Levi Perry
Never used the word decorations
Aaron Long
>Literally posting under a commie flag >"In-inb4 c-communism"
Whew
Matthew Stewart
do poor people own boats big enough to transport a lot of troops? wouldnt the owners of the biggest boats be able to carry more and thus be more heroic? do poor people own boats? are men trained in navigating usually poor or wealthy?
Why are you a hater of people that are better than you?
William Sullivan
It does matter where you are from when you are claiming you know about my country
Hunter Lopez
So if a man were to use automation to create a large business and hire no one, he would remain a proletariat?
>ww1 It was a fairly pointless war, though hardly indicative of all wars.
Connor Cox
>see title >click >see flag welp, it's decided, im going to go watch it in theaters instead of waiting for Redbox
fuck you commie faggot
Grayson Edwards
>rich people >exempt from the draft LMAO is Marxist "history" as fake and empirically wrong as marxist "economics"?
Zachary Cruz
Not an argument
Jayden Davis
You can be a common sense capitalist and agree with what I'm saying.
Poor people actually do own boats, many fisherman would pool their money to rent big fishermen boats. I hate rich since they are inferior to me morally
Alright, im from Canada, specifically Newfoundland which until 1953 was British land.
Angel Moore
>people everywhere are the same (either proles or bourgs)
people who are smarter, faster, stronger, more socially adept are not the same as fat, lazy, shiftless, inarticulate. Jobs that pay more go to people who are able to do them. Retards don't write novels or build bridges.
Jackson Smith
That's what you're essentially implying when you say the Triarii didn't fight, when there have been recorded instances of Triarii fighting under the command of Scipio.
Explain to me why you would feed, house and equip men who quote, "didn't fight." What logical reason is there to give men free things and have them stand on a battlefield?
Justin White
A
FUCKING
LEAF
sage and ignore.
Cameron Allen
>flag
Gabriel Morales
lol I think most commies just envision rich people to be evil soulless porky memes, despite their higher intelligence and more moral behavior
Cameron Sullivan
Ok that's where the laws are getting drawn. We're going to have to rechange definitions. IF in the future owning automative technology becomes common for all then NO, if in the future automation becomes something only the rich have then I'd still have to say they were bourgoise. This is a tough one since Marx never lived to see automation, only semi-factory automation which still required people
It defends Statism btw
Name a rich person who was draft. Bush's, Trumps, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, NEVER SERVED. Even Will Hunting said it
In fact in Lincolns day you could literally pay 300 to escape the war
The actual guy the boat character was based off of was 2nd lieutenant on the titanic or some shit, he had remorse his entire life
Luke Cruz
>One of the main characters was this rich asshole who owned a Yacht who went to save the soldiers >Poor people actually do own boats
Which is it
Brody Evans
>I hate rich since they are inferior to me morally actually they are by far superior since they have contributed jobs and much more valuable labor to the economy than sub-120 IQ swine like you
plus ric people are much more charitable with their money
Eli Wilson
Explains it all
Alexander James
They've been pushing monarchy / divine right to lead pretty hard recently.
Probably to prep the next gen to be good serfs.
Connor Peterson
Enjoy your ban
>build bridges >write novels How come writers and bridge builders are poor then? Except of course for a few elite novelists.
The rich are not better, they got lucky
Alexander Walker
Historically accurate version
Ethan Brown
Remorse for what?
Many poor fishermen used their fishing boats to save soldiers
>contributed jobs Didn't know wage-slavery was good, well, you never learn younger!
Julian Lopez
Yep, after automation serfs is all citizens will be
Landon Hall
I don't care about convincing you of anything except for the fact that you're not welcome here and most people find your Nazi-tier religion to be abhorrent and retarded
>it defends statism you know, libertarians are quite literally statists
Nathan Hughes
All of those people dying, he probably believed he should have done more to save passengers.
Nathan James
>This is a tough one since Marx never lived to see automation, only semi-factory automation which still required people But he predicted that the technology would come about, did he not?
>Didn't know wage-slavery was good Wage-slavery is a spook
Cooper Morgan
So you judge the poor fisherman on his actions: saving soldiers
But you judge the "rich" Yachtman on how rich he is and not his actions: saving soldiers
Makes sense.
Kayden James
>never knew wage slavery was good Yeah, it's what made the US the richest country on earth for almost the entire 20th century
You Marxist swine with your self-contradictory and empirically indefensible "theories" and worldviews disgust me.
Thomas Mitchell
>I hate rich since they are inferior to me morally
Today I learned poorfags can think of themselves as being virtuous simply by being poor. Is everyone who has more than you evil? Are people who have less than you morally better?
I get how this works. You think people have money because they are evil. This lets you feel like you deserve what they have by virtue of being poorer, thus not evil. The lie is where you pretend that you can do what a rich person does. Bill Gates had the idea to put a computer in every home and office. Can you do that? You have to explain how either you CAN do that, or that evilness is somehow a necessary ingredient in order to do that. Then you have to ignore his philanthropy. Basically you have to ignore a lot of reality in order to feel like you should have what people better than you have earned. The alternative is to be a better person tomorrow than you are today and we all know there's no fucking way you will do that.
Blake Davis
This thread is the most SHITTY commie bait
SAGE
Jaxon Jackson
>rich asshole who owned a Yacht You have no basis for calling him an asshole. I also thought Dunkirk glorified the soldiers just as much, if not more than, the yacht-owners. People are complex, and our loyalties extend far beyond class lines.
Besides, the British (unfortunately) allied with the Soviet Union. You should be more grateful for their sacrifices you little shit.
Oliver Harris
>after the computer is invented, wHERE WILL ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING THE CALCULATIONS BY HAND AT NASA WORK?!?!?!?!?
>once the automatic harvester is invented WELL ALL BE SERFS THERE WILL BE NO JOBS LEFT
>better transition to communism (which slows down your economy or causes democides in every real world application of it), it's the only way!
what a joke.
Luis Bailey
Jeremy kyle is middle class 8D
You can see the lowest in Blackpool, they all wear pyjamas in the shopping centre and high street
Joshua Thomas
WE GET IT OP. We saw through the scam a long time ago. No wonder they're trying to shut down Peterson's shit.
Ryan Morris
>that graph I don't understand it is it saying that wages have mostly kept up?
> don't care about convincing you of anything except for the fact that you're not welcome here and most people find your Nazi-tier religion to be abhorrent and retarded No one cares about your ancap tier religion, and only nutjobs think it will ever come back. Keynesianism is the future.
Soldiers are working class, he was wealthy, what did he give a rats ass about them?
Because he got rich making others poor, so it was his fault they were there in the first place
I don't know enough to talk about automation and Marxist theory. I know he mentioned how increases in efficiency made life of the worker more hellish since it destroyed jobs. Communism is good since jobs are only needed for productivity and not for the sake of jobs themselives. But wageslavery is real
Actually it was the spirit of industry that made America rich. Jobs that actually did productive things. Rich people jobs make the lives of the 1% better but don't build nations. Your capitalist world view. Capitalists are unempathetic and disgust me.
Josiah Gomez
>One of the main characters was this rich asshole who owned a Yacht
The character was middle class and the boat was hardly extravagant
Alexander Bennett
Fuck off commie it's a great movie
Josiah Williams
Bill Gates never put a computer in everyones home. It was the employees he hired that did. That could easily have been done without giving one idiot 87 BILLION dollars. The state could do it and keep the 87 billion in profits for say the proletariet. You are poor not because of laziness but because of capitalism itself
You're a terrible troll
>the USSR They fought against communism more than anyone by sending Trotskyists to the Gulags. Listen, the Yacht owner was shown to be a good guy when in reality the rich are only loyal to the rich.
Nicholas Cook
Every damn time. Sage.
Matthew Young
>I'm sure once cars are invented, horses will find other jobs, hehehehehe
>Jordan Peterson >calls the proletariet losers >literally calling 95% of his students "losers"
What a fucking joke
Justin Bailey
>capitalists are unempathetic and disgust me.
literally displayed no empathy for anyone and thinks everyone with $1 more than him is evil and should be punished.
Nicholas Johnson
The Triarii also had to have been veterans of the lower rank first with X years of experience.
Adam Martin
>But wageslavery is real Nah. If someone doesn't want to work for a wage they are free to work self-employed, in a coop, in a commune, or for commission.
Brandon Young
>Enjoy your ban then
>Thinking that people actually get banned for that.
Thinking
Samuel Phillips
My dad runs a law firm and even that would be costly. We're saving up for a Yacht but that boat would still do a toll, sort of like a middle class family buying a car. Boats are very expensive.
It was garbage.
Enjoy your ban
Brandon Collins
He didnt say that 20% served, but 20% of those from Eton who served died.
Also not all young men served, Britain introduced draft pretty late in the WWI.
You uneducated communist nigger.
Kevin Moore
>Soldiers are working class, he was wealthy, what did he give a rats ass about them? >tfw commies are so removed from humanity that they don't understand the concept of empathy anymore
Luis Ross
I have empathy to the poor, do rich people?
I thought you said they were the wealthy?
Except you can't. You see in the year 1700 you could start your own business, now you can't because Megaindustries dominate the marketplace.
Saging is against the rules.
Anthony Kelly
20% from Eton died, yet 1/3 of soldiers died. HMMMM wonder what happened to that 13% difference.
Also Britain introduced a draft immedietly in ww2
Jacob Miller
I have empathy, i can't imagine the ruling calsses do.
Cooper Lee
>One of the main characters was this rich asshole who owned a Yacht who went to save the soldiers.
Are you aware of the fact that this actually happened?