You gave the Bolshvehik communists a flag, why can't the Trotskyists which are their natural enemy get a flag too?

You gave the Bolshvehik communists a flag, why can't the Trotskyists which are their natural enemy get a flag too?

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lol commie vs commie fighting over who gets to crash this civilization with no survivors

> National bolsheviks
> Bolshvehik communists
> Implying its the same thing
Lol, killyourself, also the less commifucks have freedom - the better. So no fucking Trotskysts or any shit like that.

Trotskyists are no communists, they are fake and gay.

We need a flag for Communists who follow the ideological line of Marx-Lenin-Stalin-Hoxha-Mao-Lin Biao. I'm waiting mods, snap snap.

REEEEEEEE

We're not communists. The nazis started that conspiracy theory back in the 1920s and you guys changed it for the millenial generation.

Functionally (not officially ideologically) can you think of any major difference between National Bolshevism and the current system in China?

I'm not sure what you're asking but that 4 can easily be turned into a swastika.

I would argue that North Korea is more like National Bolshevism than China although there are similarities.

However, I only support trotskyism as much as Christopher Hitchens supported it as a sympathizer of revolution against authoritarian communism.

While marxism and trotskyism calls for revolution by introducing socialism into capitalist states, it has been ignored and almost forgotten about in recent years given that it's a rather irrelevant school of thought.

It doesn't help that the neo nazis resurrected the conspiracy theory of "cultural marxism" in recent years. Although, I wouldn't use resurrect given that they've always tried to fight societal change by implying that homosexuality, atheism, secularism, anti-theist, civil liberties and rights were the work of jews who were trying to infiltrate the government and universities and make them secret communists.

They removed the jew part though and essentially made a "nice" version of the theory. I personally find it bullshit because for a long time I was happy being an enemy of the radical left and radical right and now everyone labels it communism and leftism.

GIVE ME MY FLAG REEEEEEEEEEE

>You gave the Bolshvehik communists a flag, why can't the Trotskyists which are their natural enemy get a flag too?
You already have one, it's called the star of david flag.

Exactly what I'm talking about. There will be consequences!

democracy is a soft variant of communism. any egalitarian philosophy is faggot commie bullshit

Trotskyists aren't the enemy of Bolsheviks, they're just a competing tribe of kikes.

One of us.

But as you know, fascism and totalitarianism is self destroying. As much as the neo nazis and fascists hope that Trump will clean house in the government, it doesn't help that there is no secret jewish plot to clean up.

And so long as the constitution and institution that is America remains strong, Facism and Totalitarianism will be fought for those of us who believe in Jeffersonian Democracy.

NazBol is too compilcated for you political lightweight smooth brains to understand.

Trotskyists have a flag, the Republican elephant. Lrn2history!

It looks like a wheel chair lmao

Says the nazi. You guys are the real jews. Every plot to usurp the values of America has actually been orchestrated by you guys. From framing a bunch of gender confused kids in a university as evidence of cultural marxism, you've possibly given more support to the Arab fascism and Zionism for a long time when the pendulum swings back. It is honestly depressing because some of the best policies on the middle east came from the republicans but now they have an idiot at the helm who seems completely out of his depth with how to deal with serious issues that aren't just memes on a website.

the American model, built on the lie that all men are equal, is an abject failure. that should be self evident. all defenders of liberal democracy and other commie bullshit will be physically removed, so to speak

I just wish the news gave you more representation. I miss Hitchens.

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Such class, no counter argument needed. Let the nazis say whatever they want and destroy themselves. Leave them to be politically abandoned and let the republican party be lead by a proper leader rather than this nu-age-quasi-neo-nazi-fascism shit that's developed in recent years because people love making fun of SJWs and Feminists.

>trotskyist

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ok give me a counter argument to this

private property is fundamental to the existence of civilization. private property implies discrimination and a necessity for conservative, traditional values. as private property naturally stems from survival needs and kinship it is justified under natural law. as true objectivity can only be found in nature, natural law is the only true moral absolutism, all other morality is relativistic. because hierarchies and genetic competition are natural, nature is inherently fascist.

egalitarianism is antithetical to private property and the division of labor which stems from it. egalitarianism is based on the notion of equality, which is a myth as no objective equality exists in nature. nature pushes for differentiation and specialization, which necessitates discrimination. egalitarianism is unnatural and a direct threat to the existence of civilization.

The problem is you're thinking that Trotskyism / Marxism is communism when it's socialism. There may be some marxists out there confused by the idea and genuinely believe that communism is something that needs to be tried, but I think we can both agree that any authoritarian or bureaucratic state is something that should be left to dystopian science fiction books and not reality as it's clearly broken.

In the same breath though, democratic socialism would advocate for a state to manage capitalism and make sure the proleteriat isn't exploited or left to destitute by the laissez faire capitalist / neoliberal conservative ideologies.

We all know that capitalism is good, but even Adam Smith remarked at how it can create a lazy, unskilled, uneducated elite class that serves no one and is a parasite on society.

I don't advocate for the siezure of private property without compensation, which is what communism advocates for. I advocate for democratic rule and socialist policies to prevent broken bureaucratic middle men from destroying the basic rights that every person should be entitled to.

Values like free education, freedom from religion and of worship, freedom from want, freedom from fear, a right to a health and a foundation / minimal acceptable quality of life that we expect for our people.

Laissez faire capitalist values are as equally invalid as communist values in my opinion. We've experienced a recession and major financial disasters at its behest. Infact its that very thing that cascaded the nazi movement in Germany in the 1930s with the wall street crash.

Shady business pracitses through deregulation that lead to people dying in burning houses, poor healthcare where insurance companies eat up the profits through pointless middle management administration and monopolies should be nationalized for the benefit of the people.

I'm not advocating against capitalism, I'm advocating for what effectively already exists in many western countries across the world. Quasi socialism where the state serves as nothing but a democracy to manage the growth and investment of the country while preventing the people from exploitation.

>The problem is you're thinking that Trotskyism / Marxism is communism when it's socialism
as I said before, this is irrelevant to me. my beef is with egalitarianism as a whole, which can be summed up by saying "democracy is a soft variant of communism".

>I don't advocate for the siezure of private property
again, irrelevant. egalitarianism in the form of democracy is still a threat in as much as egalitarianism is antithetical to the existence of private property. seizure to some extent is to be expected with the existence of a government anyway

>Values like freeshit for everyone
are a threat to private property

the core ideal of fascism is the preservation of the people and culture which constitute our civilization, the existence of which depends on private property and the division of labor which follows. this necessitates the physical removal of all ideologies and individuals who threaten the core principle of civilzation. those who do not properly comprehend private property and its necessity cannot properly be called people, as they are dysfunctional towards civilization, and should be thrown out of helicopters for being COMMUNIST FAGGOTS

How does this system of democratic socialism prevent people from continuing to vote for "broken bureaucratic middle men"?

Democracy doesn't solve problems of competence.

Hierarchy and authority (based on merit/qualification) is the best solution to problems of incompetence.

One big caution I have with socialist policies in a democracy is the tendency for laypeople and experts to grossly misunderstand the complexity of a social issue and enact large-scale policies which produce unintended and harmful effects, sometimes the opposite of what they intended.

How does one ensure that a democratic socialist society does not end up voting in ways that destroys itself and makes the problems you stated even worse?

The only respectable communists are Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. All the other bastards especially (((Trotsky))) deserve to be hanged.

Fascism and Protectionism breeds in weakness and stagnation. The world changes every day whether you like it or not and progress simply can't be halted as it's basic nature.

And it's not freeshit for everyone. Laissez faire economics leads to the bureaucratic nightmare where the insurance companies are effectively taking the majority of the profit through running the administration which causes the business model of healthcare being sold as a commodity cost $100 for a band aid. It wasn't like that in the past and you're effectively hiding the taxes by not regulating it though democratic means or providing a universal model to eliminate the problem of an elite class leeching off the proleteriat.

Such an attitude is unsustainable in its pure form anyway as you should know if you truly support fascistic values like this. Like Hitchens said:

"The essential element of historical materialism as applied to ethical and social matters was (and actually still is) this: it demonstrated how much unhappiness and injustice and irrationality was man-made. Once the fog of supposedly god-given conditions had been dispelled, the decision to tolerate such conditions was exactly that—a decision. “The West,” at least, has happily never recovered from this discovery"

When people realize that they can "seize the means of production", overthrow their monarchy have a revolution, fascism destroys itself. The only times that this has failed to occur is through indoctrination and military dictatorship. And then you realize the crux of the problem. That your method of running the country requires enslavement and obedience to function properly and yet you still claim to be better than the communists. Just a reminder, like I said earlier. I'm used to being an enemy of the radical left and radical right.

>Fascism and Protectionism breeds in weakness and stagnation.
nowhere is it against he rules for two ethnostates to trade goods. you are jumping to ridiculous conclusions

>Laissez faire economics
you keep bringing this up without noticing I am inoring it because it has nothing to do with anything. laissez faire implies egalitarianism in the market. fascism is not capitalistic. my flag is not black and yellow

you demonstrate a total lack of comprehension over the meaning of private property. you have failed to justify egalitarianism in any objective fashion, you have failed to defend it as necessary for the continuation of civilization. instead you argue from emotion and moral relativism. totally irrational. like every filthy commie you have zero grip on reality, you are literally having a completely different discussion in your head.

Western Democracy, or more appropriately, Jeffersonian Democracy which America was founded upon and is considered the most democratic of the founding fathers advocated for proportionally and diverse representation. The point was to avoid the single party or two party system through use of things like the d'hondt method. Democracy is in essence about seeking a majority, but it is not about 50% + 1 ruling the 50% - 1. It's about coming to a decision that respects minority opinion rather than disenfranchising them.

Just look at Britain to see an example of a failed democratic system given that it's still based on a monarchy. Their last election had 37% of the vote commanding a majority in the parliament which have concepts such as party whips to make sure that career politicians do not stray from the party leader's wishes. It is, in a way, an elected dictatorship where twice as many people can vote against a party and be ignored.

And naturally anti-fascistic ideals are built into the constitutional law to prevent such things. If every man is given the same rights, how can you introduce a fascistic policy like slavery without fundamentally changing or destroying the system? How can you pass a religious law if secularism is in the constitution?

I'm not talking about ethnic weakness and stagnation.

I know you're not. ethnostates can exist and engage in mutually beneficial economic transactions. nowhere did I mention genetics

again failing to understand the meaning of words and tangenting off into weird conclusions

I don't see how 2 fascistic or protectionist states are any different from one. You are basically hoping to solve the problem of stagnation by artificially creating competition that shouldn't arise when you're trying your hardest to avoid the very thing in the first place. It's fundamentally contradictory.

>That your method of running the country requires enslavement and obedience to function properly
where do you even get this shit from? all you know of fascism is ignorant liberal talking points. enslavement is a clear violation of a persons right to private property. now if youre talking about non-persons like yourself, then yes, chattel is all you are really good for, but it is not at all necessary for society to function. actually it causes unemployment, so it's pretty retarded

Monarchists don't have a flag so cry to papa stalin

there is nothing artificial about it. competition is entirely natural, and this is why economics has begun to be treated as an evolutionary science.

I'm not talking about 1 or 2 ethnostates. I'm talking about hundreds if not thousands. America balkanized into states, regions, and city states. castille for Castilians and Barcelona for the catulonians. the UK broken into indidual nations no eu, no un. a world of ethnostates and kingdoms competing and cooperating when necessary as nature indended it to be

Because like I thought you would understand, freedom isn't earned or gained. It's a choice. For fascism to truly retain its power, it has to remove that choice which we know the traditional methods in history of doing so.

Anyway, I gotta go now. I'm a rocket engineer and I have a satellite to build. Bye now.

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