G-Germans had best technology and tanks in WW2

>G-Germans had best technology and tanks in WW2
Umm...no, try again sweetie.

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>Germans had best technology and tanks in WW2

But they did...For a majority of the war there planes and tanks were massively superior and a lot of weaponry made after WW2 were based of German designs...

I wish threads like this got banned on sight.

Not a single relevant post-war tank or airplane was based on German designs. Ignoring that Argentinian jet.
Only thing where Germans had advantage was rocketry.

Why? Because there isn't enough room for the 30 Seth Rich breads in the catalog at any given time?
>muh everything I don't want to discuss is a slide thread.

>best tanks
you mean italy?

>For a majority of the war there planes and tanks were massively superior

lmfao no they weren't dude

name 1 (seriously, just ONE) piece of equipment that germany used that was "massively superior" to its allied equivalent

I've got literally all day. let's hear your idiotic response.

>Toasters
>Good tanks
Ask any veteran who served in armor in europe at that time.
Even my grand grand soap said those tanks wete shit.

The Tiger was overengineered and inefficient. A lot of early German equipment was taken from the Czechs and Poland's smoldering corpse. Tactics, you fucking idiots. Mannstein, Guderian, and Rommel.

What is the turbine jet engine?

Not entirely true. They had the better tank doctrine in the early war. One on one the french char would have beat a pz2, but it was one on one hundred. Once they developed the panther, then they had the best tank in the world. But they switched places with the French. For every panther that rolled off an assembly line 20 shermans or 20 t-34's rolled off.

Sherman was the best medium tank of WW2 in field, followed by T-34 variants.
Ronson meme started AFTER WW2. Shermans later literally had wet stowage for ammo. They rarely burned. There were some incidents with Brits because they stored ammo improperly, that's it.

Panzer mark 5 Tiger.

Average KD ratio 1:15 vs Sherman

Average KD ratio 1:25 vs T-34

Luger > 1911

Sherman crews had the highest survival rate of any armor on any side in the whole war

but ok go ahead and peddle your idiotic myths that you got from your granddad, I mean really who cares if it's contradicted by all available evidence? your grampa said so, therefore it must be right!

lmfao

The French literally took the german 7.5cm gun off the panther and used it on their postwar tanks. That gun was one of the finest in the world for the next 20 years.

So...

They built tanks which were at the start of the war inferior mechanically to the Allies (much better deployed, however), and by the end of the war were either outgunned, or so mechanically unreliable that they couldn't be deployed properly.

They built rocket fighters which were more likely to kill you on landing than enemy fire was, no heavy bombers to properly carry the war to Britain, and never could design a fighter which could serve in a long-range escort role, forcing them to piss away their Bf-109s.

Such geniuses, designing a wealth of over-engineered weapons for the wrong war.

youtube.com/watch?v=xBCZrMVVI2M

Numbers pulled out of your ass. Provide sources.

>Sherman crews had the highest survival rate of any armor on any side in the whole war
Yeah, because it's a lot easier to claim wounded when you're advancing past the destroyed vehicle than retreating from it.

Use your fucking brain.

>Panzer mark 5 Tiger.

ok so you're literally retarded

I won't go into all the reasons why the Tiger was bad because some other anons on this thread are already doing it. when your example is already being independently trashed by several anonymous strangers on the internet before you even mention it, it's time to maybe rethink your decision to live

also, the tiger was the VI. the panther was the V. retard. lmfao

The Panther Tank

No, it's fucking annoying.
>um no sweetie
>she's right, you know
>(something) does not exis-

all of the criticisms of the tiger (just read the thread) can be copy-pasted for the panther

if you had just read a book about this subject before pretending to be an expert then perhaps you would not have embarrassed yourself this badly so quickly

>tfw the T-44 never saw real action
People look at the Soviet tanks and think "lol those are shit" without realising that the Soviets had fantastic tank designs that they just decided weren't worth the production costs of switching over manufacturing for.

The USSR has virtually always had superior land weapon platforms to the West, it just lacked the economy to deploy them en masse.

well armored and well armed, but useless and expensive.

it ate it's own drivetrain for breakfast.

>can't even turn its turret if it's not on flat ground
And unlike the KV-2 it didn't even have the excuse of carrying a fucking field gun.

It was cheaper to produce than a Panzer IV though.

Which boggles my mind, honestly.

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Germans had better leadership and tactics at the start of the war, planes were average and the Panzer 1 and 2 were basically not even tanks, they were infantry support vehicles. The Panzer 3 an 4 were while better thought out designs than the French and British tanks, there was nothing particularly special about them outside of crew communication, in the sense of 1vs1 the only thing that really defined them were how they were used.

The late war German tanks were based on matching Soviet designs.

here's a hot tip - when you're trying to argue with someone and disprove their assertion, you are not supposed to immediately admit that their argument is correct. that makes you lose the argument.

It was slightly more expensive (117K-103K RM). It was a good design, but suffered from reliability issues and quality of production.

>measure crew survival rates by casualties divided by destroyed vehicles
>OH GEE WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE SIDE WITH THE INFINITELY BETTER ABILITY TO RECOVER CASUALTIES HAS HIGHER CREW SURVIVAL RATES, I GUESS THIS MEANS THEIR TANKS ARE BETTER.

The Germans were autistic, rather than designing a plane or a tank and then slowly working on its flaws and improving it, they decide to just design everything from scratch and completely fuck up their production.

>Germans
>Have to make many separate parts for individual tank models
>Everyone else
>Replacement parts can be used on many different tanks since they all share similar features

I remember that the early T-34s didn't have radios, but what about British and French tanks? Did they all have radios?

surprise surprise, germans couldn't figure out how to produce things efficiently. that's what you get from a nation of autistic, scat-obsessed cocksuckers whose main focus is wallowing in how superior and intelligent they are instead of just, you know, getting stuff done.

they were just mentally unequipped to actually wage a total war - they said they wanted one and then did fuck-all to supply it. their enemies by contrast were actually serious about it and this is why we burned germany to the ground and not the other way around

>mememan

lel

Try harder.

another tip - don't continue to angrily assert that your opponent is correct. not only does this make you lose the argument but it also makes you look retarded and possibly insane

Nope. Soviets appreciated radios, but they couldn't make enough of them and those they built had shit quality. But even early 30's T-28 had radio.

The ruskies did (T34's). Shermans were inferior to German Panzers/Tigers b t w.

umm bad thread sweetie, try harder maybe
bye hun

Lmao he admits he's sliding Seth Rich threads
Holy fuck its not a shill in the classic sense, its high level leaf trolling because he knows what upsets us.
I can smell the leaf and the non white on you. What could cause a person to hate this community so much...

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It's clear you're incapable of understanding the point I'm making and labouring my way through explaining the statistical trickery you're falling prey to will achieve nothing except embroiling me deeper in an argument you're not equipped to have.

Here's an actual pro-tip, not just a condescending dig: statistics are very, very easy to manipulate. If you just divide casualties by vehicles destroyed to get crew survival rates you are considering every single thing that goes into casualties and vehicle destruction. You're considering not just the tank but medical facilities, ability to reach casualties, the kinds of weapons that are being used to destroy the tank, how the tanks are employed (whether they're being hit in the thick frontal armour that might cause crippling damage and "destroy" the tank but do less damage to the crew than, say, if the tanks were commonly being hit in the side), and so forth.

The statistics aren't designed to be misleading. They're just not able to be applied in the way you want to apply them. They simply cannot be considered to measure nothing more than the worth of the tank.

Do not expect further reply.

a shitty 9mm pistol with an ancient operating principle that NOBODY uses anymore, VS a handgun design which has been in continuous use by hundreds of millions of people for over a hundred years lmfaoooo are you fucking kidding me nigger

the french used that shit because they had literally nothing else and no ability to design or build it. read a book.

the french kept divisions of panther tanks around for decades because they could not make their own tanks. did any other nation do this? no.

No they weren't. Sherman was better than anything Germans fielded before Panther, and in practice it was better than Panther too.
Tiger was a heavy tank, it can't be compared to a medium tank like Sherman. But even with that said, Sherman had around 90mm of frontal armor, while Tiger had 102mm.

A lot of what made the early t-34 good was the sheer number they could field thanks to millions of tank crews. It wasn't a "good" tank but they knew how to play to their strengths. Later T-34's and the -85 got pretty good though.

why is this fun for you ? if you want to know why come to Sup Forums you could watch any youtube video and see army generals and tank crews themselves have said that they couldn't kill german tank without losing six sherman tanks.

Ah, come on, man. I'm not a retarded Wehraboo, but Germany did pretty good with what it was given, even though it shouldn't have been trying for a war in the first place.

Erich von Mannstein had some good ideas to actually reform Germany's industrial processes, and was summarily ignored. Germany's command was an odd mix between brilliant military leadership and inept morons.

Sources.

Sherman is underrated and was wrongly maligned, especially once it was equipped with the 76mm. Though the best armor of WW2 is the above.

>Panzer mark 5 Tiger.
What are you even talking about the Panther or the Tiger I? Also those kill ratios lol.

The sturmgewhers gas system was copied wholesale by the ak47

A fucking cuck tank

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Nope.

This took too long to reply. What a butthurt post.

I shot with both and the 1911 suck.
We have 1911 in the army and they are the worst fucking handgun ever.

I shot multiple kind of old handgun, even the shirt TT-33 and it was more precise than every 1911 I shouted with.

Forgetting the King Tiger man sloppy

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>It's clear you're incapable of understanding the point I'm making

No dude I understand you perfectly, it's just that what you're doing is repeatedly stating that I was correct while also pretending to disagree. stop doing that.

You could not be more wrong.

kek, give that man a village of african jews

Michael Wittman

Wittmann is known for his ambush of elements of the British 7th Armoured Division, during the Battle of Villers-Bocage on 13 June 1944. While in command of a Tiger I tank, he destroyed up to fourteen tanks and fifteen personnel carriers, along with two anti-tank guns, within the space of fifteen minutes.

>tfw you will never anally annihilate a column of mudslime armor and vehicles singlehandedly

THIS
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Look at "Stilet" or "Szhatie" projects - A FUCKING LASER TANKS! But soviets couldnt afford them, so there's 1 or 2 of those in museums.

Hitler's boner for big tanks cost them the war. The king tiger was a terrifying opponent, but when one showed up sherman crews just went somewhere else.

Ok, reality check time.

Germany was completely fucked by lack of access to oil. They didn't build diesel engines and much more heavy tanks because they were forced to use synthetic petrol. That was very expensive and very bad (especially in extreme cold and hot climates) This literally cost them the war.

TOW Missiles

false

try reading my post again, you seem to have misunderstood me

leaf, you're a leaf. your opinions about things do not matter. your country is led by a homosexual and the only good thing in your future is dude weed lmao. you don't get to be taken seriously about anything.

I believe the British tanks did but not at the start of the war, and the French I don't really know but it is doubtful. The real problem with the French was that the tanks were assigned to infantry companies, they were spread out and worked to purely support the infantry they were assigned to, the Germans on the other hand had tank divisions that were trained to work together and independent of the infantry in groups.

The Russians also had the problem with having the commander also working as the loader I believe, could be wrong about what role it was exactly but it meant that there wasn't much communication between other tanks either, a huge problem of this was even though their tanks mid and late war were on par the Germans would designate targets and the Russians would end up overlapping their shots sometimes all focusing on the same target.

Don't bother replying to him. You can tell by his posting style he's fresh off the boat.

I mean just look at this shit:
>lmfaoooo are you fucking kidding me nigger
He's a fucking child.

you're not a real german, you have a sense of humor

>name 1 (seriously, just ONE) piece of equipment that germany used that was "massively superior" to its allied equivalent

Tiger tank and Me262 jet, faggot. Kill yourself.

comparing armor is stupid you have to compare protection(armor vs guns they were set against)

also what people tend to forget is that german design made sense in the situation that german was in the same for the soviets. the only one who could really just produce whatevery they wanted was the us.

the soviets kept the t34 not because it was great but because the production loss caused by changing the tank model wasnt justified.

the germans used the tank engine to rotate the turret in the panther not because it was better than an electrical driven one but because they were lacking copper i think

>DON'T EXPECT ANY FURTHER REPLIES
>continues to reply

>leaf, you're a leaf. your opinions about things do not matter. your country is led by a homosexual and the only good thing in your future is dude weed lmao. you don't get to be taken seriously about anything.
Pay attention children, this is how you lose the argument.

The french tanks had the problem of making the commander do literally everything except drive.

You dumb faggot. Ever hear of the F-86 Sabre? Compare it to Messerschmitt's P.1101. Numerous other examples, too.

>tiger

read the thread nimrod

>me262

piece of shit that killed more german pilots than allied ones

>Porsche turret
Nice shot trap, idiot.

>me 262
>good
lmao

Loud American children are the fucking worst.

I wish the 2016 election never happened. The memes were not worth this lingering suffering.

Should have said the FW190.

Add the FW-190 D9 to that list

Stg44, precursor to every single assault rifle in existence.
Bf-109, for years one of the fastest aircraft with some of the best high altitude performance.
FW-190, heralded the best all-round aircraft of the war.
U-boot, the best submarines of their day.

Now there were many problems with Germany in the war, but don't pretend that because of that a tank that couldn't even dent the Tiger's armour was better than them.

>He is so assmad he relies to leaf memes not even replying to my points.

*breath in*
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Luger is still better than the burger pistol.

They had radios yes but they didn't use them for intercrew communication, they hardly used them to work with other tanks in their group once combat started either.

limited to no ressources.
still pulls some amazing tanks, jets and stuff out of there asses.
even when shit at maintaining allied forces shit their trousers when they saw a panther or tiger

>not superior

ok

Germans having good tanks is a myth invented by the French general staff to excuse getting completely BTFO by the blitzkrieg. French and Czech tanks were significantly better than pre-war German tanks, the Germans just had better military doctrine

>DON'T EXPECT ANY FURTHER REPLIES
>continues to reply

The AK based on the stg44, the minuteman/atlas ICBM's based on the v2.

reminder that germans had UFOs
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horten ho229

>inb4 we also got jets like these!!"!!!!
yeah but they didnt work well and were useless militarily.

didn't stand a chance to griffons or p-51s or tempests

>I wish the 2016 election never happened. The memes were not worth this lingering suffering.
You're damn right, Ozbro. I wish they'd fuck off again, I'd post that chart showing mobile traffic if I had it.
He isn't even talking to you, you screeching inbred.

love these threads
idiotic wehraboos like come crawling out the woodwork to defend muh kruppstahl

>rocketry and a majority of aerospace engineering
>linear computing with the binary system and cryptography
>MG42 was so frightening that the allies made training videos on it for their troops
You're posting with technology that was furthered greatly by the scientists in the NSDAP, retard.

the AK's functioning was inspired by the STG-44, but the internal workings and design are completely different

also trash

he's talking ABOUT me you illiterate fucktard

he's actually written more posts discussing my posts than replies to my post at this point

dont forget the warships and subs.

how is that hms hood going for ya?

All your technology is bought or stolen. Not to mention you are the weak link:

>Analysing the genetic make-up of 20 Americans of European ancestry and 15 African-Americans, researchers found that the former showed much less variation among 10,000 tested genes than did the latter, which was expected.

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You are a disgrace Amerifat!!

Rate the pinnacle of WW2 Hungarian tank development.

>inb4 Panther
Yes, it was 'inspired' by it.