Wait,this cant be true

What did John McAfee mean by this exactly??

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The biggest threat to computer security is the thing sitting in front of it. I havent had any AV on my computer for 2 years, performance is immensely good for a 5-year old PC that hasn't even reinstalled Windows

i thought everyone already knew this

I think he meant that all anti virus softare does not and cannot work, and that it has been that way for years.

I could be wrong though someone double check

He means what he said.
Can't fix the human element with software yet

Swallow the linux pill Sup Forums

I can second this. Have been using PCs for 10+ years. Never had an active AV. Worst I've gotten on my PC was minor malware from sketchy torrents (which were 100% my own fault). Easily removed by running the free version of MBAM once before uninstalling it again.

This lel. Unless you're going to sketchy sites, opening attachements from unknown senders, or...clicking pop ups? Is that even still a thing, like those "you are the millionth visitor click here to claim your prize," type shit, then you're not gonna get a virus. Also install Linux.

Also
>selling it is a scam.

Big if true

Can confirm, havent had AV on my computer ever. Just learn to open up task manager and see if anything is running that shouldnt be there. If so, find where it is located and delete it. Problem solved.

Also DONT INSTAL INTERNET TOOLBARS/EXTRA SHIT WHEN INSTALLING A PROGRAM

>install linux

what if i'm straight though?

The biggest thing that you're being told is if it's being sold, then their target is to capitalize on you.

So if some stupid company wants to sell you their AV or some shit, then they're capitalists and you should not trust them.

Source of info: Used to have windows XP before it was discontinued by Microsoft. Died 3 days after Microsoft ended support, HDD was working still, motherboard was not, so decided to keep the HDD and scanned it.

I agree with the first sentence. On my XP computer while it wasn't hooked to the internet, haven't had any AV installed because (no internet on it), but the motherboard was good in shape for 3 years for me until supported ended and the motherboard died. Kept my HDD in the end since microsoft discontinued support, fuck you Microsoft.

He's doing it to BTC/BCC too

>I havent had any AV on my computer for 2 years

This.

If you keep your OS up to date, keep your software up to date, and do not execute random binaries that you have downloaded on the internet, there is very little that can go wrong.

JOHN mcafee is just making himself look relevant talking about the AV industry go watch the shit he did in belize

So then can't he be sued for fraud? Since he had his name applied to a product which he knowing did not deliver on what it claimed to.

lol, lots of people are seriously technologically dumb. They don't even know how to adblock. The key to avoiding virus or bad shit is to always have your eyes on small details and ffs READ EVERYTHING but many people are too normie to do that. Never click Next mindlessly, never go to sketchy sites, especially never click on URL shorteners.

Reminder McAfee only wants women to poop in his mouth during sex.

I don't use antivirus anymore
Do hacker even use viruses? Most the hacks I've seen were SocEng

PC viruse protection is the biggest meme... All you have to do is utilize common sense...

when i was a kid my computer got a virus and these weird porn ads kept popping up and my mom and dad got mcafee and it fixed the problem so obviously it kinda works in a retroactive way

But sketchy sites are the best sites

That wouldnt work for viruses, they hide inside legit programs

Working in IT for a decade now and can confirm. In reality the way peoples accounts are compromised are by user ignorance and external servers outside of your control dropping the ball on storing user data which can still be circumvented by using simple one time use code authentication.

We are still having very dense users end up with ransomware on their machines and there is really nothing you can do to educate the old side of the baby boomers that have drugged their minds out.

the binaries thing is the biggest by far
as long as you don't run any suspicious EXEs and the like you are almost 100% protected from any viruses

Really only use AV because of porn and torrents, otherwise its unnecessary.

99% of the time a family member tells you they got a virus and dont know how, its porn related.

I swallowed the Linux pill 2 years ago and haven't looked back. Linux mint is almost exactly like winXP, except for it works out of box and doesn't crash as much.

So he's gay?

Yes, viruses are made to bypass anti-virus software. That means that you are only really protected after the anti-virus company finds out about the virus and adds it to their list. Only thing anti-virus software is good for is throwing out false positives and being annoying.

>there is really nothing you can do to educate the old side of the baby boomers

It may surprise you, but the average millennial is much more likely to get scammed online than the average baby boomer.

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That no anti-virus suite can protect the user from themselves

Even for porn and torrent I don't need AV. Just check the torrent's popularity and comments and for porn, I go to forums for my need.
If someone gets AV from porn they're seriously a pornhungry retard who would click on the first penis enlargement link they sees.

Wow you're retarded and Argentinean.

BSD

Really makes me think the whole industry is just a big scam based on most people not knowing dick about how all of this works.

Has there ever been any evidence that these companies occasionally put threats on your computer or create false threat reports during scans to make you think you still need it?

>Linux mint
this, perfect for redpilling normies
lol, it even comes with shitloads of drivers so you dont have to install the hardware

>changed motherboard
>linux mint kept working like nothing
>win 7 wouldnt start
>had to install the drivers from the MB disc using a command prompt

yea Weather_Toolbar_v2.1.exe is totally legit if you know what I mean

if you have malware or adware, download MBMR to get rid of it
if you have virus, you are seriously a dummy who shouldn't be using a PC anyway

You dont need it, but if you are paranoid, all you need is mbam free and virustotal.com. All the "active protection" shit does is data log you and slow your computer down.

To businesses, it's not a scam. Consumers? Yeah it's a scam. Businesses actually need that shit cause they're the bigger targets for shit. Consumers is low grade social engineering or some shit they have to look out for.

I'd believe it. When millennials say they are computer savvy, they mean they can surf the internet, google stuff and know how to upload pics to Facebook. Ask them how a computer or network works and they are dumbfounded.

Never had an antivirus in any of my devices since 1999. Never had virus problems

I wouldn't be surprised by that but irrelevant in my case since my users are almost all baby boomers across the spectrum. I notice trends based more on gender than age (women do the idiotic shit like messing up their browsers with coupon software, ransomware, clicking on whatever, etc) where as men are dangerous since they tend to try to fix issues on their own and wreck their shit with edits they read about online.

do you even know what a computer virus is?

It's not exactly true. It's true it can't protect you from something new, but it keeps your computer clean from all the shit that's always kicking around the internet. It's important for convenience sake, but it's not really a security measure.

>Weather_Toolbar_v2.1.exe
thats malware, not a virus
normies use the name "virus" for anything, but it is actually a specific thing

They're also probably way more likely to believe that someone sending them a message is legit because they're so used to communicating on social media. They don't have that jaded untrusting nature that boomers have when it comes to social media.

It's no coincidence that the only times I've had BSOD were the times I had AV installed. Seriously, get rid of that shit, it's a performance drain.

You're likely right.

also some fishy shit can hide in media files so download MediaInfo to see if a media file you downloaded is actually legit before double clicking it

>Ask them how a computer or network works and they are dumbfounded.

The CEO of my current employer used to write programs on punch cards in the 70s.

I also randomly was talking to some old geezer in the queue in the bank today, and it turns out he used to write COBOL applications decades ago before he retired, and he still gets called up every now and again by companies offering him fucktons of cash to maintain them.

A lot of old folks are more savvy because they're quite comfortable working at a command prompt, or have actually tried their hand at basic programming and stuff.

To add, people open up the most fucking obvious bullshit emails. They never read anything. It says it's from someone they know but you look at the email address and it's some shady site.

>Here is the invoice you asked for

Instead of stopping, thinking wait when did I ask so and so for an invoice? Why doesn't it have their signature? Try talking to the person first? Nope they go right ahead and download, open, forward it, everything but delete and ignore. Open it 50 times cause it's bullshit but wonder why it's not opening.

Then half the department is infected and everyone's pissed that you didn't prevent it or fix it fast enough.

God I hate IT

>> not using free AV software malwarebytes

>malwarebytes
my nigga

It's not just boomers. I get questions constantly from people young enough to know I'm just googling the answer for them. It's baffling

I deleted SYSTEM 32 and my shit runs smooth as fuck. No viruses at all.

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the anti-virus is a spy virus by the CIA-niggers

It's only a scam now. Many years ago AV software was useful because the OS and browsers were shitty and allowed everything by default. Plus digital signing wasn't really used for anything either. So between all the exploits that could execute arbitrary code and the malicious applications that appeared to be legitimate, it was nice that some shit could be stopped by AV. It's simply far less less relevant now.

Kek someone will do this

For mac owners yes. Go ahead to delete and deactivate your wall and virus protection and see what happens on win ten

I once tried to clean a co-worker's computer but the computer was infected so hard it broke itself down after I ran malwarebytes

omg are you a wizard

I think his point is it's not useful for prophylaxis, but can be used to try fixing fuck ups.

That said, you can use free shit to fix it.

I agree.
If you work in a business environment, you might want some level of antivirus to remove files when stupid people download stupid files.
But at home, don't bother. Just don't be retarded and open dumb shit.

He said Linux, not Mac OS.

he's right, there are lots of reasons for this

>browser sandboxing (so what happens in the browser, stays in the browser, and if tabs want to escape the "sandbox" that the browser sets up they have to go through it, they can't bounce through something in an official library)
>browser protection in general (oy vey goyim, we're not going to let you browse that website)
>HTTPS (no more easy MITM, remember that it also offers message integrity as well as encryption)
>IPsec usage has increased
>sandboxes in technologies inside the browser
>flash has been mostly told to fuck off (this is a big one, if not the biggest one)


>ASLR (something in most OSes, basically it randomizes the memory addresses for different things at runtime so that malware can't just say "Kernel, go to X and put my thing in there" because it doesn't know where X is)
>ESP (the portions of memory responsible for holding executable code, which is stuff that shouldn't be manipulated with, are marked by the OS so that all attempts to write to them will be immediately rejected)
>OS based antivirus (windows defender is a pretty good option believe it or not)
>tons of small improvements that harden everything

>ISPs + law enforcement agencies have put a stop to large spam emails
>two factor authentication (it doesn't work all the time, but it prevents people from just trying "password123" and accessing your account without having access to your phone)


basically this. for some perspective, most common "cyberattacks" are simply just tricking people into executing dumb shit. there are malicious emails that literally say "Hey, open this pdf! Adobe will tell you that you're being a stupid cunt, but disable all of it's security features so that you can see my amazing cat photos!"

i love that gif, btw.

this works, it changes your computer to a 16 bit architecture so it works faster. now instead of handling 64 bits it only has to handle 16! simple!

I installed full Kaspersky on my parents' comp so I don't have to go fix it every month and so I don't have to worry about them doing dumb shit.

>That means that you are only really protected after the anti-virus company finds out about the virus and adds it to their list.
So you are, in fact, protected from 99.9% of viruses out there.

If you have any valuable content on your computer, you protect it. If you shitpost on Sup Forums, play games, and watch YouTube vids, yeah, you don't need anti-virus software. Hell, you can afford to do a clean install of Windows if you do get one. For me it takes roughly 10 hours to reinstall everything without a 1:1: backup.

Legit web sites and forums get hacked all the time and AVAST has saved me multiple times in the past few years. There's NoScript, but that is more annoying than a false positive every other three months.

ITT: People that have never done IT for normies.

When I do virus scans on people that have a decent AV (Webroot,KIS,nod32) they'll have maybe 15-20 removals. On people without it, there'll be like 600+. Most I've seen was 40,000 with 32 rootkits.

People are incredibly fucking stupid

>For me it takes roughly 10 hours to reinstall everything

Did you put an additional 0 in there by mistake?

>especially never click on URL shorteners.
Why not? Can I get a quick rundown?

It may surprise you but most people, regardless of age, can barely computer. Ask them to use Excel, or change resolution, or change their browsers homepage, and more often than not they'll be unable to do it

Most of that shit you find is harmless. I have saw more false positives than actual harmful items on a users machine.

Most of the shit that happens on our users machines would not likely be stopped from their AV in any case.

you don't know where the link is going

Or just use something based on gstreamer or ffmpeg (vlc, mpv) instead of fucking Windows Media player

>If you shitpost on Sup Forums,play games, and watch YouTube vid
You've obviously no idea how bad Sup Forums used to be.

never click on anything that is
>goo DOT gl
>adf DOT ly
>etc
You never know what's behind them. It might be some slav faggot turning his link into a seemingly innocuous URL that will infect your PC with script

how good is norton 360

Well, you just have to use an antivirus that keep stats for a few years and realize that most of the time "virus detected : 0 ; menace avoided : 0"

Unless you're a mongoloid or a child clicking on every shit that pops up on the internet, useless.

Worse than the malware it supposedly protects against.

Nah, I just use that many programs. Roughly 50 virtual instruments and effects for music, Adobe suite with multiple third-party plug-ins, FireFox plug-ins, dozens of drivers, uninstalling Windows 7 bloat and random security updates, etc. It's an absolute headache.

1. Still useful for misclicks
2. Yall don't work in cyber security fields

Its not 1998 anymore. There are very advanced exploits out there on some very mainstream sites. No clicking required.

t. An user who cares

He's right. I just use windows firewall and do routine checkups with malwarebytes. I've been doing this for years and got ran some are once because I clicked on some dumb porn link years ago (which I promptly removed myself in safe mode). Antivirus are for retards that can't into common sense or computers.

never download anything from Sup Forums

Hello friends i am a Microsoft technician Daniel from Texas. You have a trojan zeus virus, but i can help you here. please reply to this post with "fix my pc daniel" and i will fix your virus.

Old news really. I use AVG free on all my PCs but ive never paid a dime to any antivirus software.
Only people that are computer dumb get viruses anymore. Isn't that right CIA?

Not necessarily true. What if said script or virus was made today and not put online? It wouldn't be in the database until if gets found

This, I work in IT and women install millions of toolbars, and one of our female stuff was dumb enough to fall for a phishing attempt and got her bank information stolen. While a male staff called me and said his display cable unplugged and he "fixed" it but nothing was displaying on screen, go up to his office to find he jammed the display cable into a USB port and chipped some metal off the cable connecting pins.

even then, if you're dumb enough to be clicking on shit that gets you infected, you're probably dumb enough to click "ignore" if the antivirus catches it

I downloaded a .mp4 from Sup Forums once - a video of a girl masturbating. So far no slav has come to my computer and asked for bitcoin in return for my files...

This, some anti virus also gives false positives to make themselves look good

>t.someone who is studying for CEH and other certs.

I rarely open embedded vids.

most threats are silent, dumbass

Can merely opening a link really infect your PC? Like, without even being tricked into installing something?

>misclicks

In what OS are you downloading and executing random binaries from the internet with a misclick?

I used to do tier 2 and can confirm people do this.

Most stuff is harmless, but there's always the exception

Sometimes I sneeze.

False, I'm a professional hacker.

Yep

lmao chill

nigga...

Use software restriction or applocker. Only let them run what is whitelisted and you'll have a much easier life.