Redpill me on the Armenian genocide Sup Forums

Is it holomordor tier fake, or did it actually happen?

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It didn't go far enough

According to Cenk Uygur it did not happen.

>holodomor
>fake

Fuck off trip fag plebbitor

How about you ask a Turk

Armenians did die in large numbers, that is true.

But they were betraying the Ottomans by slaughtering Kurds and Turks near the Caucausus front in WW1, making themselves combatants. What would you have done with traitors?

Kurds did it.

Delet this

they also committed genocide against greeks, ethnically cleansed former lycian settlements & turned them into crumbling roach shitholes, brought the assyrians to near extinction (and probably would have succeeded if the british did not intervene), and committed many other roach atrocities that escape me

But how do you know if that is all true?

By slaughtering civilians?

Typical islamic goatfuckers.

Holodomor and the Armenian genocide are different. One occurred in the Soviet Union and the other in the Ottoman Empire. At the minimum look at Wikipedia just to get the basics.

Western world did worse without nearly as good a cause without having (Western dominated!) institutions such as the ICJ not call them genocides.

Does Belgium and Congo ring a bell?

The Armenian what?

1.5 million of Armenians dead in just the genocide of 1915, over two million if counting "smaller" events that were already happening in the late 19th century. Also about 750 thousand of Assyrians and 300 thousand Greeks. A systematic murder of civilian population, with men being forced into hard labor and later murdered, kids being forced into deserts and starved, women being raped to death. All perfectly documented, with loads of photos (even though they are just a small fraction of what was recorded, as the Ottoman government destroyed a shitton of evidence). Eyewitnessed by Western diplomats, incl. the American ambassador in Constantinople, who even wrote a book about it. The Treaty of Sèvres was negotiated by Western powers with a shitload of territory and reparations going to Armenia and others because of the genocide that they suffered.
Denying this is fucking retarded, I invite the assholes who like to believe it didn't happen to come to Armenia and check out the sites, the museums, and talk to people who still have their grandparents' diaries from the time. The Ottomans violently removed everyone and everything Christian, and yet some Western cucks shill for them now.

wtf when they mascarre us it is not problem but when we relocate them it is problem
filty jews

What is Armenia like as a country to live in?

Poor as fuck, very corrupt, a typical ex-Soviet country. Nice for tourism though. And it's easy to live like a king here if you have a source of income from the West.

Statistics before and after WWI give us estimates for casualties, eyewitness accounts from all the parties involved give us proof that it happend. Everything else is interpretation. Armenians say that more than a million civilians were killed and/or sent to certain death and it was a genocide. Turks say that yes, hundreds of thousands civilian armenians were sent through the Syrian desert and died on the way but it was simply a relocation.

Facts are: there was a strong anti-armenian sentiment at least since XIX century. There were actions, sanctioned, planned and executed by the Ottoman goverment that led to death of almost the entire population of armenians in Turkey. First they disarmed the population, drafted men in the army and thus isolated all who was capable of resisting. On 24 of april 1915 armenian intellectuals hwo were capable of organising actions against the elimination politics were arrested. People gathered and sent on the death walks through the deserts to Der el Zoir and their property taken. Every step is prooved by documents and eyewitness accounts.
Same happend with greeks and assyrians.
Turks say that armenians were pro-russian. Basically Enver-pasha made armenians the scapegoat for his failures as a commander and blamed the defeat he suffered in Sarykamish against russian imperial army as if the armenians were responsible, which is not supported by russians accounts of that battle and even common sense.

>Every step is prooved by documents and eyewitness accounts
Yep, just like the Holocaust. So remind me again why people believe in the eyewitness accounts of the Armenian genocide but not Holocaust survivors?

Poor because of high corruption, with smart population (IT sector grew 40% this year, one of the strongest chess nations -- chess is compulsory in primary schools), monoethnic ultra-christian society (97% armenians, 95% christians, the rest mostly atheists) with very strong traditional and family values. No left-wing in politics. Communist party got 0.2% at the last elections, the only party which has left or socialist in their description is also nationalist party (basically natsoc) Very nice nature and friendly people make it inviting for tourists. And quite cheap to visit. Would recommend for all the poltards

As far as I understand Sup Forums it generally agrees that there was a planned massive extermination of jews but disagrees with the scale of it. The six gorillions et cetera.

>As far as I understand Sup Forums it generally agrees that there was a planned massive extermination of jews
You have clearly not lurked enough here user.

This.

kek you arm*nians are pro when it comes to show yourself innocent. Next time think twice when murdering peasents, raping women or eat children.

OY VEY
ANOTHER SHOAH

This is an excellent post. A couple of things to add...
Armenians were rebelling in a nationals scale and joining the Russian army. They were cutting telegraph lines, killing wounded soldiers, disrupt supply lines and burn Muslims in mosques. This was the reason that they had to be sent away from the front lines. Ottoman leaders of that times, the Young Turks expected them to die in type way so it is a genocide. However a lot of Armenian girls were sold as wives to Kurds. Those survived. Children were adopted and many more survived the journey to Syria. One thing people may forget is that Ataturk also did the same to Armenians Greeks and other minorities that rebel. In my village in Trebizond there are still bones in our streams from the time Ataturk ordered lots of people killed.

There was a couple threads here recently and the general consensus of those threads was as I described. And yes, I think that denying the fact that it happend is retarded. Trying to refine the numbers and clarify the exact mechanism and details is ok though.
But in the end germans did it and paid for it. Done and gone. The infinite guilt complex is as retarded as denial. If turks accepted the fact and made reparations both monetary and land armenians wouldn't had that big of an issue with them. And it would be just in a way: you do shit -- you get shit. But the West allowed them to get away with that.

>Trepizond
>does not deny
Are you hemshil?

>Next time think twice when murdering peasents, raping women or eat children.
Armenians don't do that stuff. They're pretty Christian and traditionalist. Murdering peasants, raping women, eating children, that honestly sounds like typical Turkish/Arab behavior.

No. I live here though. I know what the elders say about the past. Funny thing is old people don't deny that they killed minorities. They deny they were innocent. They say they were at war.
They did all those apart from eating childen. In the city of Cars Armenian gangs filled a mosque with people and burned them for example. Other records say they used to kill pregnant women and extract the baby and parade it through streets.

*Kars not Cars

Kars wasn't even a part of Ottoman empire at that time.

Armenian gangs started forming around 1850s.

Sounds like lies to me. Armenians were richer than the common Turk and had better looking women. That's why you pillaged, murdered, and raped them. That's what muzzies have done for centuries to Europeans, why would it be any different with Armenians?

Is there any record of mosque burning? Genuinely interested.

It's BS most likely. Muzzies just killed a neighboring Christian population, stole all their stuff, raped their women, just like they've done for centuries. History is not on their side for this one.

Literally no evidence it ever happened

>be fat piece of shit burger
>rape redskin women and exerminate them
>muh arm*nian bros dindu nuffin mothafucka

and how can you say arm*nians had better looking women? you must be 80 years old virgin for saying that

None of this is true. Sage this slide thread

The Yon Türkler or however that's spelled, were dönmeh, aka crypto-jews. Another jewish crime against humanity.

Jews being turned into sausages and giant electric chairs underground with atomic bombs being fired at jews is super credibly.

>same roach as ever
>crying harder every thread because nobody cares what he thinks
>gets buttblasted over an actual genocide, and other humans valuing human lives over his roach kind

Okay.

How much income needed for a decent life

How are the women? Loyal?

I've watched people from your country get buried in pork. I enjoy reading up on how terrorists get fed pork when they're tortured by the CIA. Does it ever worry you? You know, that you'll get buried in pork?

>Holodomor
>Fake
Pick one.

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It's a mosque in Ardahan. 300 were burned according to the locals. Most of our knowledge about that civil war comes from Kazîm Karabekir Pasha. He is known to take Armenian orphans and help them. He says they used to do it in Kars too.

Literally no evidence armenians even existed. Just another indo-european race gone down the shitter

Indians were savages. Don't buy the muh peace cherokee Indians meme.

Muzzies are also historical savages that attack peaceful European villages, steal whatever they can, and rape white women.

I don't see how it's any different when it came to Armenians. They were the affluent members of Turkey at the time. Your poor worthless ancestors probably got tired of being poor and worthless and wanted some of that Armenian puss.

Armenians have a long history of being intermixed with shitskins, it's true, not all look that good. But the purer Armenians are very attractive, blue eyed, brown haired, white skin, etc. As long as their lineage avoided mixing (or getting raped) by muzzies they were fine.

You can supply a family of three with a $1000. Even with less income it's still doable. The average salary is around $350. Women are loyal in general. Divorce rate is around 17% which is quite low for an urbanized society. I.e. last year there were 17 divorces per 100 marriages. E.g. in Russia that rate is beyond 50%, in US according to wiki it's close to 50%

Of course the provides figures are per month, not per year. In Armenia it is usually counted per month.

is this what happens when you take too much floride

>Be T*rk
>Can't find an argument
>Ad hominem
>I sure showed him! >:)