Hey pol I've drawn this map. Would you mind taking a look and tell where should I make corrections?
Names, borders, flags are all up for change.
I'll finish it tomorrow.
The theme is the Union peacefully dissolves in the next 50 years for some reason or another. These are the new countries who will come to the dominate the new landscape of the old America.
I have a correction: stop fantasizing about our downfall.
what do you care about america?
I don't want the US to fall.
In fact once I finish my degree I'll probably end up in the US. America is the greatest nation ever was.
It's just a though experiment.
The midwest includes Michigan, Indiana, Ohio by definition
Great Lakes includes Wisconsin and Minnesota by definition
>deseret
Me likey, thought it should span more west I understand your ignorance
Great Lakes is basically the Rustbelt nation with the union of its seven great cities, Chicago, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Detroit, Columbus, Pittsburgh and Cleveland.
>flags
there is one county in Nevada with a greater Mormon population
but if you have a suggestion, could you draw it on my map?
Extend Louisiana west to meet Texas. You left out a good chunk of acadiana and we would never give up our border with Texas.
These lines seem arbitrary. Did you use rivers/mountains for the jagged ones or freehand?
why even comment in this thread? Go back to plebbit
Tough one, didn't start school here so I don't know a ton about the history, but these were the original borders.
Not just about territory, Utah is pretty good at "terraforming" and making farm land and shit, might be good to have more nevada land.
And Pennsylvania
I've used two factors. I've used the 2016 voters map to try to divide republican and democrat voterbase as much as possible. And then used rivers, brooks and mountain ranges too to make it more natural.
Texas and Deseret were mostly exempt of these rules as you can see the long straight borderline. Texas because it's the lone star state (which was soon joined by Oklahoma and fast pushed the border on the west to the Rio Grande as a more desirable natural border once it seceded. Deseret because of its special Mormon status. Deseret is basically a theocracy.
Yeah I've tried to but it felt even less natural than the current state
>used this map
k, how far should the border extend? Also, Lousiana seceded because there is a civil war going on in the South between black secessionists and the weak government there is. Same with flowers.
However Louisiana fucked up her secession because it got immediately couped by royalists.
>this map
I actually live here & have lived in all Great Lakes states except Illinois (born/raised Hoosier)
If you're talking Great Lakes cities, Indianapolis doesn't even start to count. Most Hoosiers even close to the Lakes actually go to Michigan for accessing them because Gary is a shit hole & Michigan City is just starting to redevelop
Pittsburgh doesn't count, it's Erie you're looking for
You'd have been better off including Green Bay & Superior WI; Duluth MN; Sault Ste Marie & Traverse City MI than listing Indianapolis or Pittsburgh.
Minnesota in particular is moreso a Great Lakes state than anything Illinois, Indiana, or Pennsylvania has. They don't call it the Land of 10,000 Lakes for nothing
Green Bay is actually part of the Great Lakes nation. But as I've said it's rather a rustbelt nation than a great lakes nation. However I've no better name to call it. I'm open to suggestions. Also if you don't mind please draw your corrections on the map, I may know the US map but certainly not as well as a local citizen.
West border of Appalachia is like 75 miles too far west. Lexington isn't Appalachian
Mormons will be the last whites left in the US.
Utah/Idaho/Nevada/Arizona alliance
Just add everything north of I-94 from Milwaukee WI to Fargo MN
Yeah. Lexington is a special case of I don't know what to do with. Same as Louisville.
It is not part of rustbelt nor is it a Midwest city and the South is is too far to the south haha.
Which left me with Appalachia. And could be justified by its many coal power plants in the area which would make it heavily rely on the Appalachian coal imports anyway.
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Actually just restore it to its normal size. Clearly you don't understand this region.
Could you do a light outline of all the states so I can see where you're cutting off everything? At a glance it looks a lot better than many I've seen
Okay, but I don't think anything further from the Duluth-Minneapolis would be part of a rustbelt nation. Which would very easily turn out to be socialist btw.
What about Minneapolis/St.Paul btw?
They would probably tend north towards Whatever southern Indiana is
Yeah, that was the original setup, Deseret, the Mountain Republic and the Basin were one nation, part of greater Deseret when they seceded from the States. However the overzealous Salt Lake city government tried impose religious laws but unable to enforce its will first Nevada seceded and then the rest which were not Mormon majority.
Very well, I'll push it into the Midwest but I'm not convinced.
Looking at this map however makes me realize how divided this fucking country is and it honestly makes me pretty damn sad. I wasn't alive during a time where people were actually proud to be American, and would love to know if such a thing ever existed.
It's the year 2017, and nobody is an American. Everyone is this or that political party, this or that gender, racist against this or that race. What the fuck happened to "I'm an American" and the respect you showed to your people.
United we stand, divided we fall.
t. Sad American
>Mountainous Republic
Literally like something a 12 y/o would come up with whilst writing his first fantasy book.
nice quints!
>checked
thanks for the input
wait you did not give any
faggot
don't let identity politics creep into your mind that's what all the leftists want
divide and conquer
>Flowers
Absolutely disgusting. Floridian Clay is vast and expansive and why does Florida only have 40% of it's rightful clay?
The earliest known European explorers came with the Spanish conquistador Juan Ponce de León. Ponce de León spotted and landed on the peninsula on April 2, 1513. He named the region La Florida ("land of flowers").
Because the northern parts failed to secede while there is an ongoing civil war between the black nation and the government there.
Erie can fuck off, Philly's history would keep us in the remnants of the USA
Not the name mate. That whole area of North Florida is majority white. And on top of that they are extreme Confederate flag waving hicks. Now if Quincy joined the said black nation than it would make more sense. Now also you know one of the largest air Force and navy bases are in panhandle Florida friend. I wouldn't see them joining with the black nation either.
Well Great Lakes doesn't specifically mean Rust Belt. Duluth wouldn't be considered Rust Belt because it didn't really ever over-industrialized the water front (Detroit & Gary epitomize Rust Belt, not something you'd really bring people together around). Not that it doesn't have rust, they salt the shit out of roads up here... But that's not what Rust Belt was named after.
West of Duluth you run into big ass lakes like Lake Vermilion, Mille Lacs Lake, Leech Lake or a shit ton of lakes like the Detroit Lakes which foster cultures more akin to other Great Lakes areas... Particularly since boats cost quite a bit people often travel to Superior to get more use it of them.
Twin Cities is weird. It's not explicitly a Great Lakes city but it's more in common with Great Lakes than Midwest, particularly when you consider the metro area.
SW Minnesota is the only area that really fits into the Midwest under the paradigm you're using.
There is absolutely no way you can not include the UP of Michigan in any type of Great Lakes division.
I've used this one to get some impression about racial lines. But the South was the last one to secede from the central government due to the proximity and Washington slowly coming tothe realization that they are losing control over their territories. Meaning it is not in a very good shape.
The border-gore of the civil war is still not on this map I'll include it into tomorrow's version but if you have a suggestion how the border between the South and Florida should look like please draw it.
Btw I most definitely want Florida as a free country in some shape or form on the map.
Funny, the first time I've drawn the Great Lakes, it looked just like your description.
However don't let the name fool you, it's a rust belt nation with its capital in Pittsburgh. However if you still feel that the area belongs more under the control of Pittsburgh than St Louis I'll redraw it.
Well frankly, the division itself is goofy because the Midwest isn't readily separable from the Great Lakes... but if you're calling a region The Great Lakes you'd look foolish not including Lake Superior.
The Rust Belt isn't an overarching cultural theme like the Bible Belt is. If you notice it largely overlaps with the Corn Belt & that cultural theme has more dominance.
Another exemplary issue with the MW/GL division is that a city like Fort Wayne IN is the epitome of the Midwest (like Indianapolis) & aren't anything you'd ever call a Great Lakes city but due to its location you'd find it hard to divide. The Twin Cities would more aptly be described as Great Lakes than either Fort Wayne or Indianapolis & I suspect the same is true for Pittsburgh.
St. Louis is decidedly not a Great Lakes city. If you're picking a capitol you need something centrally located & for anything Great Lakes oriented you really only have one choice & that'd be in Michigan.
You might want to bring up some of your questions in one of the Midwest Alliance/Reich Generals... Stuff like "where's the capitol" (of the general region you're looking at) gets discussed frequently (answer is usually a post-purged Chicago)
St. Louis is the capitol of the Midwest.
Anyway, I'll take your points into consideration and make certain modifications. Thanks for the input.
St. Louis is barely Midwest, and about as "Great Lakes" as Mexico.
That makes sense
AKA irrelevant states.
Deseret should include the Western part of Colorado. The Western slopes are largely Mormon and would be cut off from the rest of Colorado by the Rocky Mountains, so they'd probably join Deseret,
midwest is among the highest IQ and highest earning states and most white states in america
The Mountainous republic looks pretty ridiculous
Texas should look like pic related.
Well as the gateway to Midwest at the confluence of the Mississippi and the Missouri rive I think it is a good candidate for being the Capitol of the Midwest Commonwealth. Not to mention it controls much of the Midlands too.
As for who has Duluth and access to Superior, really depends who grabs it first. Neither Pittsburgh nor St. Louis has much to do up there. But it is too small and backwater to be its own nation.
>United States of America
>United States of the Great Basin
>States not united
Florida doesn't have many blacks at all, and ones we have are in ghettos.
If anything South Florida would secede as a Hispanic nation while Central, North and gulf coast to Louisiana would stay with Florida as west Florida. Look up republic of Florida, a nation that existed for a few months before these United States invaded it.
move NYC to part of USA and not New Anglica, which should be called New England.
see
Will move the border to the Arkansas river.
According to the Mormon map not true. If you have a different source please share.
You realize that by being divided, everybody will be weakened in nearly every aspect right?
United States of Mojave, Nevada and Jefferson. Sounds better, ain't it?
The United States is a legacy nation still in denial of their failure.
That whole region would just be an anarchy, most likely ancap. Refer to the anarchy in Southwest Asia. Sure, governments claim the region but nobody "governs" them.
Texas, Tennessee and North Carolina will join and stretch to the east coast. It will be renamed Tennexalina.
>Largest freshwater reserve on the planet
>Largest inland shipping routes
>Breadbasket of the world
>Industrial powerhouse
>Central backbone of the internet
>Huge steel reserves
>Backbone of historical colonial expansion
Irrelevant...? Lol Better off here than in Yankee cuckland, southern niggerville, or western desert/fagland
Chances are, wherever you live, you'd go hungry if it wasn't for the Midwest so eat a dick
I grew up in Marquette, MI on the coast of Lake Superior, 2nd largest "city" on Superior I think, but honestly its bretty much Canada.
Can you give us any more context of how the US split? Seems like a pretty neat idea
Maybe in Michigan, but Duluth & the Sault are the 2 biggest American cities on Superior... Thunder Bay Canada is easily top 3 if Canuckistan counts
Marquette - 21k
St Sault Marie - 14k
*KANGdom of Louisiana
Western PA, perhaps. I'm in northeast PA and we're certainly not culturally akin to the western part of the state, nor are we like those cunts in the Philly burbs.
>texas
>grows in size
>california
>shrinks in size
commies btfo
also your map makes no fucking sense
Might look even neater than the Mountain Nation.
I'm still trying to come up with a consistent one which would justify the borders and the current state of the map.
Sometime in the next 50 years idiot savant gets elected but his luck runs out just after the election. Quick rundown
>California wass the first to declare independence
>fast declared a laughing matter but for the the greatest surprise 2 days later Texas did the same
>1 day later Oklahoma joined Texas
>Sometime during the next week New England also declared its independence
>the day after the Great Lakes seceded too.
>sometime after that Cascadia, Appalachia, the Midwest and greater Deseret (still includes the Basin and the mountains) leave as well
>The Union is reduced to the South and the territories in the direct proximity of D.C..
>Then happened the conference of Somemidwestcity where the new nations draw up the new borders and plebiscites are held in undecided areas
>Coming to the realization they are no longer in control the Union tried to implement extraordenary measure basically further imploding and the South leaving with ultra-nationalists leading its secession
>the South almost immediately sank into a bloody civil war with the blacks population who also declared their independence, Louisiana and Florida secedes
>Deseret trying to push through religious laws breaks up into 4 nations.
Technically SSM is kind of 87k, the more populated half of the city is technically Canada, though
SSM 276mi^2
Marquette By population (ignoring Canada)
Duluth 86k
Superior 26k
Marquette #3
Parts of New Mexico/Colorado and all of Oklahoma used to be republic of Texas iirc
Change "Flowers" to "Swamplands" or "Mucky Muck" or "Insectopia" or "Life's End Zone"
t. Floridian
Interesting but the ending is implausible - there is no possible follow-on to Texas secession than THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN. But you can probably re-order the regions to make the overall arc work
Sounds interesting. Have you come up with ideas of what happens to the military and military generals? The washington elites and congressmen? Huge multi-state corporations?
The more I think about the beginning the more I like it. On their own, neither Calexit nor Texas secession would be a black swan... but you put one a couple days after the other and the Union is through.
t. coastal urbanite scum
>you know you can write a backstory if you like
I don't know, I mean if the was a fascist government elected I think it is plausible that while Texas given her own tradition would declare independence the South would stay with the central government.
nah, just wanted to draw a map which is at least mildly plausible
that's pretty stupid and looks like it's based off of biomes or something.
Why do these maps consistently ignore Pennsylvania Dutch cultural areas? They're basically the most clear culturally entity in the US
Hell no. Texas would not sully itself with such an association.
>Flowers
>Leafs
Unironically one of the best US balkanization maps.
Because fuck the dutch, they abandoned their colonies before anyone else.
>Because fuck the dutch, they abandoned their colonies before anyone else.
You mean the Swedes.
Anyway Pennsylvania Dutch aren't Netherlanders
Can we rename the mountainous republic "the Rocky Mountain Republic"? Rolls of the tongue better. Also I could see Deseret just being a part of the RMR.
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Northern AZ, Utah, and A lot of some of Nevada have a lot of Mormons.
You can't just make arbitrary borders like that, it would work better if you just grouped the states. MN, MI and WI need to be together for instance.
nigga the union flag is just the coast guard flag
these look like they came from a disappointing Vicky II mod
guilty, I've already changed that to the US flag
that sounds just as arbitrary desu
done
>south coast
THIRD COAST
THIRD COAST
THIRD COAST
>southwest falling to Mexicans
Every fucking time. Whites in the southwest outnumber Mexicans 2-1 and 20% of Mexicans are fucking conservatives
We also have about 10x the firepower and economic power
If anything Arizona would take most of Sonora and build a port on the Sea of Cortez
Fuck the mountain/ basin people, cascadia needs more clay
third coast is great lakes you dum dum
No, Aztlan is a free Republic. Might be Bilingual but still carries the US traditions. Neither Mexico city nor Washington has influence over Tucson.
You don't know a lot about California do you. Where does there stupid socialist republic get their water from?
socialists don't need food
nor water
>Phoenix
>under the control of Vegas or Utah
>Tucson, independent
Are you retarded Phoenix is the financial, political and population center of the entire southwest,
We would control everything from Hermosillo to the Grand Canyon (if not more) and from the Colorado river to the Rio grande
Texas would get east of the Rio grande, as that is their traditional clay and California would get everything west of the Colorado
New Mexico would cease to exsist as a political entity
gommies don't care about feeding their population
>Image reflecting a complete lack of knowledge of what communism is
>Completely neglecting the fact that two of the most populated countries in the world were socialist
Dumb Sup Forumsyp
Aztlan seceded from the Union as part of greater Deseret. However once Deseret imploded they became independent; closely allied with the Basin they have managed to push into California down to San Diego where many welcomed their liberators after becoming very fast disillusioned with socialism.
Btw following your logic New York should be the capitol of the US instead of Washington.
>were
there you go boiiiiii