Tell me what exactly is wrong with voters having legitimate IDs. I honestly don't get why people think it's a bad thing

Tell me what exactly is wrong with voters having legitimate IDs. I honestly don't get why people think it's a bad thing.

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It would make it harder for Democrats to cheat.

Democrats would never win another election

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you'd double the national debt overnight paying overtime to ICE as they round up illegals

It would be impossible for illegals and dead people to vote. And vote more than once.

So... Democrats would not win another election.

she is the hapa whore queen

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Because Democrats need the votes of illegal aliens. Here's a video where they ask whites what they think of voter id (RACIST!)

Then they go around asking black people if they have ID, and they all do.

Dems don't want it because it puts one more (extremely simple) step between their lazy nigger fanbase and results.

Niggers already barely show up to vote so if you give them any excuse and they won't show up at all.

The democrats have a reason. It goes like this:

Niggers are too stupid to get voter ID's, so voter ID's are inherently racist. They're smart enough to get driver's licenses and EBT cards, but not voter ID's.

Yes, this is literally their position.

Yet, aren't Dems the ones trying to find evidence that Russia tampered with the election?

trump won the popular vote by such an incredible landslide that every dirty election rigging trick in the book failed

Democrats are not known for their logical reasoning

But then illegal immigrants can't vote? What are you a racist?

Of course.

Even when I was a leftist I didn't understand this one. It isn't hard to get a fucking ID.

>aren't Dems the ones trying to find evidence that Russia tampered with the election?

Yes, but that was only after they lost the election. Before that, they were certain that it was totally impossible for anyone to commit election fraud of any kind.

Everyone knows blacks and Latinos are too poor and not mentally capable of navigating the difficult process involved with getting an ID. IQ matters.

Uh ... I hate to tell you this, but true free democracies had their voters identify themselves for decades. It's to prevent election fraud. Duh!

Otherwise any Ahmed or Mgumbo could just walk in and re-elect Mamma Merkel.

It's racist to expect poc to get to an ID issuing location with 3-4 years of advanced notice to get a voter ID.

It is not racist to require those same people to get a driver license.


Btw, PR has voter ID

>before Hillary lost - "There is no way to rig an election. Trump needs to stop crying."
>after Hillary lost the election - "OH MAH GAWD RUSSIAAAAAAA POPULAR VOTE SHE WON REEEEEEE

They keep going on about that popular vote, don't they? Sure makes ya' wonder where all of those votes came from. Perhaps they crammed all their illegal votes into too few big blue baskets?

it is when youre an illegal alien

She's mine, you cucks.

I still can't get over the fact that you don't need an ID to vote in Murica to begin with! In Poland we always needed an ID for almost all administrative, governmental functions, and literally no-one ever made a fuss of it Its just common sense, as identity fraud is a real thing, and can even destroy lives.

It's essentially a poll tax. Remember that there are thousands of little governments in the US.

You still have to register with mid-level state government which requires proof of residency. We don't do PAPERS PLEASE formally in the US, even Social Security numbers aren't required.

It isn't, and it's coming, and California is already a step ahead with granting a million illegals with Drivers IDs just this year alone.

>voters having legitimate IDs
I know i'm not the one to teach you democracy, but whatever. Your main problem is not IDs, your biggest problem is that you have elections on working days! Why Sup Forums ignores that? Your destiny is basically decided by a bunch of wellfare niggers, housewives and similar scum! If it wasn't for electorate college you would have Killary as a president right now!

By law employers must give time off to vote. Some people don't take it, some do. We also have early voting.

lololololololol

Even india has voter id.

Repeat after me:


EVEN

INDIA

HAS

VOTER

ID

My county issues them for free, and you don't get to vote without one. It's really simple, but you know the answer to this....

And then it would go down 70% through no mo gubmit freebies, tax evasion, and sending money out of our country.

No the election is held on a Tuesday specifically to keep niggers and spics from voting. They're too busy working and can't take time off like we can. Republicans win when voter turnout is low.

> blacks have drivers' licenses
> but not voter IDs

Dumbass - I know of nowhere where a driver's license can't be used for voting.

Inb4 California - there, you don't need any ID to vote. I think, not even in the federal election (though they should). I'm pretty sure I voted for president and asked whether the worker wanted to see my ID, she said nope.

Instead, it's that they're not organized enough to bring their driver's license with them if they have one, or, don't have one and can't be arsed to go get a separate ID just for voting.

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You are an idiot.

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Not enough room for another fake ID in my wallet.

Why do they call us "undocumented?"

We have tons of documents. Mexican birth certificates, Mexican voting cards, and stolen Social Security cards from gringoes.

I understand that, but you know how it usualy goes in the real world. Some people wont take it just because they don't care about elections enough to potentialy anger your boss or lose a bit of shekels for that time - things that wouldn't bother them during weekends. Why it have to be during working days anyway? Is there any reason for that?

>Tell me what exactly is wrong with voters having legitimate IDs.
Nothing.
>I honestly don't get why people think it's a bad thing.
Niggers are lazy; many would simply not vote if they had to do something other than show up which would lose the Democrats vote.

I think if you're receiving government subsidy, your right to vote should be waived. That way, shit lords on both sides can fuck off.

Only because trump won

Well then stay in Mexico if you have all your Mexican documents.

kneegrows don't carry id in case the poleece stop them they can give a fake name and they pigs can't proof who da iz

/end of argument

So do you turn up and vote without a polling card?

Niggers have IDs. They need them to cash their gibs, buy their booze, and get into their clubs.

Whats wrong is that California gives them out to illegals like a pedophile gives children free candy.

>I'm pretty sure I voted for president and asked whether the worker wanted to see my ID, she said nope.
I'm in Texas (the other, better California) and before we adopted Voter ID it was illegal for election workers to ask for ID. IIRC you could even vote without a registration card if you went to the correct polling station - state your name, they find you on the rolls and ask "is this still your address" and you were good.

>Some people wont take it just because they don't care about elections enough to potentialy anger your boss or lose a bit of shekels for that time
Hey, who would have known we have an informal system of disenfranchisement in the US?!
>Why it have to be during working days anyway? Is there any reason for that?
As a typical American I really don't know why Tuesday is traditional. Also we stagger elections to keep turnout down.

>informal system of disenfranchisement
people are people man, your boss may very well don't give a fuck about elections, he has money to make. He can't openly do anything to you, he will not say anything. But you can't be sure he wont get back at you in other ways. Don't take me as if i attack your freedom/democracy'n'shit. Think objectively. There is no reason to discriminate hard working people in fawor of those who want more of socialism because they already taking advantage of it.

>There is no reason to discriminate hard working people in fawor of those who want more of socialism because they already taking advantage of it.
Exercising power over those who want power over you is not "taking advantage", turbocuck. I know everyone accepts the current political economy as natural but it's not.

Getting an ID costs money. Poll taxes are illegal.

I was talking about wellfare leachers taking advantage of the system, retard. They're interested in gibs continuing to flow, they will vote with this interest in mind. Do you not see a problem here?

If voting required a legitimate ID democrats would have a hard time getting illegals and dead people to vote for them.

Well, voter ID laws by design make it more difficult to vote - the idea being that if it's too easy to register to vote, people might do so fraudulently. In fact, there's little evidence of that type of fraud occurring.

To answer the question:

Voter ID laws typically require a potential voter to obtain a specific form of identification at cost to them. In effect, requiring that one purchase the ability to vote (a poll tax), and a barrier to the very poor.

Voter ID laws typically require a potential voter to obtain an ID from a specific location or set of locations, in some cases that may be dozens of miles away (in the case of Texas, some people have to travel >100 miles). This is problematic if the person cannot drive and no transportation is available to them (elderly and rural poor), and also difficult for people that have jobs that do not give them time off to do so.

Voter ID laws require documentation that may be difficult to obtain and is typically not available free of charge. Passports and birth certificates require money to obtain, and an out of town birth certificate can be complicated to obtain (depending on where you were born). Not all US citizens have birth certificates on file.

Not everyone gets a driver's license, since car ownership is beyond their financial means, or because physical limitations prohibit their qualification as a driver.

According to census figures, about 11% of US citizens do not have a government issued photo ID (about 25% of voting-age African-americans and 8% of voting-age White Americans). 18% of those over 65 do not have a government-issued photo ID.

There are a few reasons. The first, and most important, is that they are unconstitutional. The 24th amendment reads: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax". Initially the 24th amendment only applied to federal elections, but in the 1966 case Harper v. Virginia State Board of Elections (Harper v. Virginia) the amendment was applied to the states. In Harper v. Virginia the court held “a state violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution whenever it makes the affluence of the voter or payment of any fee an electoral standard. Voter qualifications have no relation to wealth” [emphasis added]. So, according to Harper v. Virginia it is unconstitutional to make the payment of any fee a requirement to vote. This means that forcing a person to get a photo ID, which you must pay a fee to get, is a violation of the Harper standard, and therefore a violation of both Section I of the 24th Amendment and Section I of the 14th Amendment.

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A lot of laws that affect everyone can be used to specifically target groups that are disproportionately unlikely to be able to follow them. The more hoops that a person has to go through, the more that a lack of education or a lack of time could stop them. The lack of education thing is important because someone with some college or even just a high school diploma is far more likely to have the patience to deal with large volumes of paperwork.
I have a college education, which means I only have to work one job. I have the time and attention span to jump through lots of hoops to be able to vote. Others with less education or in worse financial situations are less likely to have the time or motivation to go through the long and arduous process that registering to vote could be.

As an anecdotal example, when my wife and I (white US citizens in our mid-20's) first moved to this state (Virginia), she wound up having to take 4 trips to the DMV to be fully registered to vote, which was incredibly tedious and discouraging. If she weren't so determined to exercise her rights, she would have stopped once she got her drivers license. This wasn't even due to excessive laws in the state, it was just the DMV. If she had to work 2 jobs (more likely for minorities) or if we had family relying on us (more likely for minorities) or if she had less education (more likely for minorities) then this process could have likely stopped her early.

Fundamentally, it's all about the kinds of people more likely to be lost at every hurdle. A law doesn't need to directly target minorities to disproportionately hurt them.

If thats the problem, just make govt IDs "free" (paid for through other forms of taxation)

Because in-person voter fraud (pretending to be someone else) is not a huge problem in the US and considering how many 18 year olds can get into bars with fake IDs, voter ID laws wouldn't do much anyway.
But getting a government-issued ID requires documentation that some people, mostly poor and disproportionately minorities, do not have access to. When you're struggling to get enough food to survive, holding on to your birth certificate is not your top priority. So voter ID laws would prevent many people who are legitimate citizens from voting.

it's that a doll or a real girl?

You people are fucking morons
the reason the dems shill this retarded cover strategy is because our country doesnt have a national fucking ID card because "muh independant freedumbs!"

we wouldnt have this problem if the entire country didn't swallow the mentality that government tracking is bad, it hasn't helped us not get tracked for one thing, but you'll hear a bunch of fundies, off grid, and stupid hippies both left and right whining relentlessly at the idea that you need to go get an ID card and be tracked in order to vote, like its a violation of their human rights.

>leachers taking advantage of the system
>They're interested in gibs continuing to flow, they will vote with this interest in mind.
But if it flows upwards, forcibly, it's fine. I think you need to be called a cuck again.

The laws are developed to try to stop non-Whites from voting, not to combat pre-existing widespread voter fraud.

they tried that. they said niggers cant get to places that give them out. only solution i see is handing out voter ids at kentucky fried chicken stores.

maybe, but anything they find that could expose collusion between the Clintons and Russia has to be buried again, so they aren't going to find anything

> she wound up having to take 4 trips to the DMV to be fully registered to vote, which was incredibly tedious and discouraging.

And what exactly did she have to do those four times? Sounds like it took your wife multiple attempts to figure out how to register.

you don't need a national ID for voter ID dumbfuck they're just looking for state-issued ID like driver's license

I've never seen a moron who shills this point have anything to say about the inherent problem with denying voting to welfare leaches causing them to be off welfare because the new voting pool votes to destroy it, thus putting all the socialists back into the voter pool since they are no longer on welfare that doesnt exist, and finally starting the whole cycle ad nausium. this is a stupid idea, stop it.

hey, heres a fucking v1.02 patch faggots!
welfare for any requirement to vote; IE if you are too poor to afford an ID, then you don't have to pay. better yet, just subsidize an ID x ammount of times per year for each citizen no matter who they are. wala, we eat a small cost and no illegal aliens can vote.

>our country doesnt have a national fucking ID card because "muh independant freedumbs!"
Close but "states' fights" is the correct answer.

My wife's situation was made worse by a fuck-up at the DMV. There were no extra laws getting in her way, but the process was made much more difficult regardless. This is an anecdotal point and only serves as an example of how simple little issues can prevent less motivated people from registering. I don't believe that her situation represents the majority of people in Virginia.

>BUT WHAT ABOUT
get good

If only there was a way to force those cards on people free. Any interaction with the govt for EBT or filing tax returns should have a way to sign up for a free card automatically and sent to address.

no national ID requirement means an ID isn't necissary, the whole point is to avoid scruitiny by the state, the people who do that don't get state id's either.

Dems rely on niggers and illegals voting to win.

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Obvious answer, both sides are well aware. Illegals voting is a MASSIVE chunk of the Democratic voting block, securing up to 4 states. It'd be the end of the party.

Are non whites too stupid to get id. I bet they whip those fuckers out for ebt, snap, and any other gibsmedat.

>you're retarded.

what the hell does having a federal ID card have to do with the states?

big fucking sign at every dmv that tells u what u need for id (ulility bills, phone bill, ss card, and what not) anyone too stupid to follow simple instructions should not be voting to begin with.

>minorities
>working

thats hilarious because I had my papers "lost" by accident at a DMV, I wouldnt be surprised if it was because lol white but I'd have voted left anyway.

Of course blacks have IDs, but I LOVE the fact that that is what they chose as their excuse for not wanting ID laws. They are clearly saying that they think black people are too stupid to get IDs. A+

>way to sign up
no nigga, make it mandatory in the first place. free and mandatory.

It's obviously a half-measure... The only policy recommendation I make is that anti-whites who are on the record pushing the international crime of White Genocide be made to pay financial reparations, monetary punishments for the rest of the days here on earth. O.P., these anti-whites should be made into impoverished examples of how being anti-white to the extent of pushing for White Genocide does not pay in the slightest.

Because Democrats need the votes of illegal mexicans and the laziest of Nigger rabble. If you make them get a legitimate ID it costs a few dollars and some time and the laziest niggers won't bother. That's evil VOTER SUPPRESSION For these commie leftists.

>denying voting to welfare
Where did i said it? All i say is voting during working days may indirectly discourage working people from voting, and is not affecting wellfare leachers in any way, and has zero advantages over voting during weekends.

India needs to be wiped out.

black people are too fucking dumb to get an ID

That wasn't "whataboutism". I don't think I like you and your deflection very much, and I want you to know I am imagining Roskomnadzor agents fucking you in front of your wife which I enjoy but am not aroused by.

If you require stricter identification for voting, the country will be destroyed when it discovers that Democrats have been cheating with illegals and corpses for decades.

I suspect Obama is illegitimate

>things that never happened: THE POST

That's what I meant but yeah, force that shit.

ok

The best part about this is the democrat explaination for why voter IDs are racist. The high and mighty anti-racist decend from their ivory tower to tell the unwashed plebs that the reason we can't have voter ID is because the evil Hitlers want it to stop blacks from voting, who are too stupid to get one piece of government ID

> tell me one thing that's wrong

Democrats would lose 10% of their nationwide votes overnight. They love to claim that it would be because getting and then subsequently having an id is too hard for stupid minorities (their implications, not mine) and would cause them to not vote. In reality it would not allow democrats to vote using someone else's identity(illegals), vote several times, vote using dead people, ect.

The biggest reason they don't want voter Id is they couldn't cheat anymore. It's kind of ironic, when most people in low income neighborhoods are interviewed about voter Id proposals, most say they wouldn't mind voter id. They feel since you need an id for everything else in life, it shouldn't be too hard to show it.

you mean lost it right?

Why not make a national poll tax refund?

I.E.

Any expenses paid to the local state or federal government or direct agents of such in order to vote is reimbursable as a refundable tax credit.

India, and most other countries which require Id to vote, also pay for the ids. Republicans would flip their shit if you tried that in the us

This I always thought was really stupid. How can it be illegal or racist to ask for id?? What stops people from going poll to poll saying they are john smith, or bill thompson. If you dont have to ID yourself how can you be given a ballot??? Here we have to show id, or if we are already registered we have to show our voter id card which is sent out in the mail. If you don thave ID or a voter card you cant vote.