Why OBAMACARE wasn't a great thing for America ?

Why OBAMACARE wasn't a great thing for America ?

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Massive increase in insurance premiums. Was designed to make you more of a slave to the state and fill the pockets or big pharma and insurers

Do you have clear information ? I come from UE and here there's only anti-Trump propaganda...

it's basically a new tax.
You either have insurance already

enroll into obamacare and pay rising premiums if you're not poor

or be slapped with an expensive fine for not having health insurance

So, Obamacare asks all people to have a private health insurance ? If not -> fine. It's correct ?
Why don't the state can help everybody for health ?

insurance is NOT health care. they sold this over priced insurance to us saying that it would alleviate costs for the uninsured, when in fact welfare had ALREADY covered those people. Now, you have months wait for any speciality referral, end up pay thousands out of pocket and theres a bunch of corperate insurance company approval between you and your doctor. INSURANCE is not health care.

no, you either have health insurance or you get fined for not having health insurance.

You will be paying money one way or another, unless you plan to never ever file a tax return and go off grid.

Anything today increases the size and reach of government is a terrible thing.
What is this so hard for people to understand?

>asks

Shit is mandatory, nigger. Fuck Obamacare.

yep, and even then, 99% of the towns you wanna go "off grid" in will send the EPA to visit if youre not shitting into an approved septic. there is no escaping.

the "poor" already had free medical through states.

Here, in Europe, we say that Americans need to pay for medicals...

>Why OBAMACARE wasn't a great thing for America ?

name one instance where mandating a private business' services has been good for anyone

we already were. it was all LIES. remember one of the first things he did was bail out AIG. guess who the mother ship of much of these insurance companies is.... AIG. someone greased his palms.

1. Insurance premiums are like car payments now even if your work subsidizes.
2. It put 10-20 million dindus and pablos on medicaid or the "insurance exchange," which was propped up with non-congressionally approved payments from the white house.
3. As poor people get sick and Trump is threatening to defund the exchanges, the big names are dropping out or threatening to do so in 2018. This will increase premiums even worse for the average family.
4. Our health care system is still terrible. All the reform did was increase costs and wait times for appointments. As providers scramble to serve increased demand for public health we lose our nation's focus on private health that makes it the best place to get cancer surgery or a heart transplant.

Never found any savings. Just redistribution and government funding the insurance market raising prices faster.

beyond all the bullshit of "uninsured Americans" there had ALWAYS been free clinics and sliding cost shares and until obamasurance, id never met a single person in my life denied care. poor or not. old or not.

And what will be the "TrimpCare" ?

there wont be because its one thing the swamp can deny his reform of

The solution is not insurance, i guess.
The government itself needs to provide healthcare. If you leave it to the private sector, the certain breed of doctor jews on steroids that nest in the states WILL find a way to either bill you or kill you.

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Insurance is basically gambling. Everyone throws their money in, a few people win, but the odds literally have to be in the casino's favor or else there's no casino. Now have the government make spending money at that casino obligatory for everyone regardless of what they want to do, and also legally require the casino to hit on a 20. Since the casino HAS to make money, either things are going to get even shittier for people, or the casino is just going to just close shop.

It was set up specifically to fail, causing a crisis that would let democrats do whatever the fuck they want when it had to be fixed.

no it doesnt. please understand oue heathcare WASNT broken. now it is. prior to obama, the decency of our society and welfare had granted many people treatment FOR FREE. yes with major diseases like cancer, initially higher upfront costs, but thats why we had FREE NO cost cancer facilities like saint judes hospital etc. but people are lazy. they didnt want to do the paperwork. the misinformation the rest of the world had about our "health system" is and has been utter bs. note the wording was "uninsured Americans" NOT "untreated"

Insurance companies are mostly responsible for the shitshow our healthcare is.
Hillary/Obamacare/ACA mandates we reward their assraping of the pubic by making it law that we all bend over for it.

The cheapest plan I found for me and my wife is $14,000/yr with $7000 deductible. Does that sound like a good deal to you? I live in Colorado so go to the exchanges and look.

shoot brother you got a deal there. 10k deductable
to euros reading that means we pay 10000 UPFRONT OUT OF POCKET before insurance even works ON TOP of the monthy several thousand dollar premiums.

You're a fucking idiot. Health insurance/care was broken. I bet you're young as fuck because you don't remember all of the pushback against HMOs and how they remove your doctor's ability to make decisions and replacing it with actuary tables.

oh i remember. it was stage one to prepare the path for digital record keeping and this insurance scam we have now.

Why again do people think Obamacare is good?

It was always supposed to fail to pave the way for single payer

Because it forces people to purchase something they do not want.

i dont think its good AT ALL. its all smoke and mirrors to force americans to pay middle men

Because he be black mofuggah!
Basically anything and everything he does, no matter how shitty, suddenly becomes justifiable because of Americans attitudes and actions in regards to big nig.

Leftists are a disease

mandates to force you to by crap you dont want
premiums are not linked to risk

and mind you, there were ACTUAL paid shills swarming facebook to put out misinformation and confuse. heath insurance used to be an incentive with full time jobs. a bonus option. NOW its income redistribution, and not to the poor and medically needy, to insurance corperations.

>Why again do people think Obamacare is good?
Because it's something Obama did and according to feel good numbers that are inflated. More people are covered with medical care because they expanded Medicaid, the program that should be used for the very poor. Best part? The system is eating itself alive like people predicted it would when it was passed.

No Obama, you don't get to keep your plan, or your doctor. More people say "fuck it" and eat the fine rather than buy health insurance because it's more affordable then paying 12,000 a year with ridiculous deductible for something you may not even need. It's more fucked than it was before.

>Massive increase in insurance premiums
the rate of increase was drastically reduced and controlled from what it was before. it is a meme to complain about this because the insurance companies agreed to regulations of these reduced profits. not to mention, repealing the act or any of its fundamental principles without an even more regulated substitute will sky rocket them even further to how bad you think they are now

>Was designed to make you more of a slave to the state and fill the pockets or big pharma and insurers
you do know every other first world nation has a single payer system to avoid this situation? we still have huge profit motives for health care here in the US, allowing thieves like martin shkreli to arbitrarily mark up the prices of drugs?

ACA butt blasts conservatives because the only viable and logical next step towards improving it is a single payer system KEK

Illegals in USA don't want to be insured, that's all that bothers Americans and their illegals and bosses. Obamacare isn't an insurance company, it only states some rules, like you got to have insurance company, but healthcare plans aka insurance companies and their lelele is up to insurance companies. Price Obamacare isn't fault of Obama, it's how Americans roll. Either way, no insurance plan got full coverage, it's always out of pocket payments, co-insurances, deductables, none of which exists in public insurance of Socialism.

Everything that nigger promised for obanana care was a lie.

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Turns out when you introduce a third party paying bills in to a system that lets Doctors charge what they want, you're going to raise prices for everyone else.

>he rate of increase was drastically reduced and controlled from what it was before.
not for young males

Because it was designed by a nigger.

>only viable and logical next step towards improving it is a single payer system
Yes, tell me how a large, overinflated, government agency won't fuck things up at all.

That's because insurance company can choose to not cover certain procedures doctors do and this you have to pay out of pocket. Doctors aren't government monitored either, so their cures might be something pulled out of an ass yesterday before you arrived to doctor.

like we always say on Sup Forums... follow the money, the ONLY people who benefited were corperations that sell insurance. this bill pushed much of the lower middle class into poverty

>name one instance where mandating a private business' services has been good for anyone
car insurance, you dunce

You dont have to buy car insurance dipshit

in America our doctors are heavily government regulated... for everything. The have boards and oversight agencies and their own malpractice insurance. let alone the DEA assures that they are closely watched as an endgame.

yes you do unless you want to be ticketed and registration denied.

Think about this logically. Why would insurance company that is a private organization in USA cover for some snake oil doctor invented that supposedly cures cancer that costs 10000 dollars? Why would private insurance company pay a private doctor for such thing? They don't pay that or you have to sue with them and then maybe they will pay it.

Absolute authoritarian communist bullshit. The dumbest law ever passed by any President. Literally Venezuela-tier.

1. You don't have to drive on public roads
2.
>Alternative methods of maintaining financial responsibility typically include a surety bond, cash or securities, or self-insurance. Also, a couple of states allow you to pay an uninsured motorist fee to drive legally without auto insurance

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no, but if my road goes to shit i can pay a private contractor to fix it. oh look, JOBS

this

What does that have to do with insurance?

>It was always supposed to fail to pave the way for single payer
by what measure has it failed? it controlled the uncontrollable hikes in premiums prior to the ACA, it halved the 20% uninsured rate, and republicans have failed to repeal it as they promised the last 8 years even with controlling majorities in every branch of government. hell, it marginally increases taxes on the 1% to keep it afloat, which is what republicans have so far tried to get rid of because it proves redistribution from the top down works remarkably well but only their base is stupid enough to believe in trickle down economics

also, you go ahead there user. skip having car insurance and enjoy the beurocratic red tape just like forced obamacare, coming your way.

>20% uninsured rate
note not UNTREATED.

>it controlled the uncontrollable hikes in premiums prior to the ACA
Not for young males
It also didnt let people buy cheaper plans that dont include crap they dont need

USA can have all great laws, but if nobody regulates them and nobody locks up corruption then nothing will work to its optimum. Same with Windows, you have to clean the trash, delete browser history, fix dll and defrag for it to work properly. Windows might be perfect, but it will never work perfectly in this world since many viruses want to kill it.

you gotta love the mental gymnastics of the left. their best game seems to be the bait and switch of words. insurance is not care.

>>Alternative methods of maintaining financial responsibility typically include a surety bond, cash or securities, or self-insurance. Also, a couple of states allow you to pay an uninsured motorist fee to drive legally without auto insurance
who the hell has the money for self insurance? are you a millionaire? most of us did not win the fund baby lottery so we have to settle for car insurance in the event we get into an accident, which of course, none of us believe we will ever have. health insurance is the same principle, you moron

>are you a millionaire?
>A certificate issued by the Bureau of Motor Vehicles (BMV) indicating that money or government bonds in the amount of $30,000 is on deposit with the office of the Treasurer of the State of Ohio.

>health insurance is the same principle, you moron
No you are only required to cover liability to other people
Healthcare is being forced to take care of yourself

you may be on to something here user, if you werent such a damn fail at being sublime. spin it however you want. insurance, is NOT care. in my entire life ive never seen an American denied medical care until obamasurance.

how is car insurance good?

like health insurance all it does is subsidize an industry and take money out of everyone's pockets to pay for people who don't have enough to deal with their mistakes

the only reason they can even get away with mandating vehicle insurance is because the government (supposedly) maintains public roads

ohhh no its to pay medical costs of accidents and property damage. hmm suddenly i see an overlap of unnecessary insurance costs hehe

There's a difference between private company doing business and private ownership. Just because i hire a private cook doesn't means he gets to eat what he cooked.

wow think on that. we pay car insurance so we have medical coverage incase of accident in a country that requires heath insurance for medical costs. suddenly i feel like one of zuckerbergs commodities instead of a human

FYI ROADS come from property taxes, state and local taxes. NOT car insurance.

>insurance is not care.
what are you arguing for here, are you saying the government should mandate doctors to see you? the purpose of the ACA was to get as many people as possible to join the risk pool that is health care to dilute the costs. this does not mean people are required to go see the doctor, it means they now have access to basic medical services they didn't have before because they could not afford it or their employer did not offer them should they want to go see a doctor.

obvious single payer shill is obvious.
im saying insurance is not care. period.

Because now all the virtue signaling cunts can say everyone is insured. They don't give a fuck if it's brutally expensive and unsustainable.

Government employs private companies to build stuff for them, how is that news? Obamacare employs private insurance companies. Either way a boss of private company can employ illegals or charlatans.

welfare had all this covered prior to obamasurance.

>people as possible to join the risk pool that is health care to dilute the costs
You only need a few 1000 people to fully dilute the costs

Insurance companies stocks are up over 600% since ACA passed. They are literally cash machines.

>believes this was all just a scheme to further erase middle class.

>FORCED to pay $400-800 a month for the healthcare that requires you spend $10,000 to $15,000 of your own money before it does anything

What did Obongo mean by this?

>to pay for people who don't have enough to deal with their mistakes
this is a meme. was it a mistake when you totaled your mommy's SUV by passing a red light when you were 16? was it a mistake when you were born with a preexisting condition that requires life long medication? was it a mistake when you went to surgery for a broken bone only to have the doctor find a tumor? the only people who have the money to cover these catastrophic "mistakes" and not go bankrupt are the wealthy. it's life and death for the rest of us wage cucks, so government taxes and regulations are quite literally our only lifeline. the rich pay very good money to misinform dumb asses like you into believing high taxes and government services are bad

a lot of States don't offer medicaid to the poor--only to the disabled and eldery. Obamacare expanded Medicaid to them to decrease the uninsurance rate and to lower premiums, but a bunch of Red-states have refused and took it to the Supreme Court and won the right to refuse individually on the State level. Now the Red-states are primarily suffering from much higher premiums than those who didn't expand medicaid because every young person there is just hoping on health insurance from their jobs once they get sick and using it until they get treated and jumping off.
health insurance is required to get healthcare--both before and after Obamacare.
>d, when in fact welfare had ALREADY covered those people.
Medicaid was expanded with Obamacare, not before it. Before it, it was limited State by State and most didn't cover it based on poverty.
>private health that makes it the best place to get cancer surgery or a heart transplant.
Not true. Even in areas where we do top out with cancer survival rates, it's only by a few fractions of a percent, or a percent or two, over the running up developed countries with universal healthcare systems. That's not worth twice the GDP costs, inefficient private bureaucracy, and medical costs that come with our system.

It's almost like they can do whatever they want. LOL

Telling the same lies over and over again doesn't make them true.

you mad bro? you seem mad. maybe you should call your insurance company and get authorization to see a shrink. enjoy the wait

Thanks Emu fucker. It was free shit for niggers of all shapes and sizes the bill. How good does that sound in theory or practice? You can't give people with low impulse control free shit they just kill themselves with it and end up needing even more assistance. See this fat spoiled piece of shit? The money paying for her surgery was stolen from someone who works and contributes while she eats cake and gets (((free))) pills. Obamacare made forcing that on what few contributing taxpayers there are a legal mandate. That's why it's bad.

>most didn't cover it based on poverty
ahhhhhhh HORSESHIT. again. never saw a single person denied care until obamasurance.

Obamacare was never ment to work. It was supposed to dive insurance providers out of the market so the government would be "forced" to step in as a single payer.

That is until Trump got elected. Hillary really screwed the Jews on this one.

or just rob working people until theyre so poor theyre dependant on government subsidies... OH SNAP

I mean, unlike a house that may never burn down or a car that may never get in a wreck, the human is CERTAIN to become sick and/or seriously injured before dying it's more like having infinite slot machine pulls. You WILL get a payout, the only uncertainty is timing.

Medical costs increased over 5x.
Thanks Obama.

>the human is CERTAIN to become sick and/or seriously injured before dying
This is not true at all

you bring up an interesting thought. should we keep old people alive? their quality of life is shit. we put down pets with more mercy. is old age nursing home life worth living?

fire-escape exits, building codes, health inspections, consumer rights protections, ect. free-clinics are limited in access and extent.
> life denied care. poor or not. old or not.
then you must've not gone out, because pre-existing conditions barred a lot of people from getting insurance or renewing it once it became too costly.
>it doesnt. please understand oue heathcare WASNT broken. now it is

Nigger, premiums doubled between 2001-2008. the amount of work places that offered health insurance shrunk from 80% in the 70's to 60% in 2008. Welfare didn't cover the poor in most States before Obamacare, or even now (the limits for medicaid in States that expanded it are still poverty rate level). Uninsured Americans were rountinely marking up the costs from getting treated unexpected emergencies that they weren't able to pay, which got marked up on those who did have insurance with extra surge charges for the opportunity and admin costs.
because it guaranteed those with pre-existing conditions won't get denied coverage, and it ended life-time caps that insurance imposed on costs. essentially, it gave private consumers far more consumer protections.
the uninsured often don't have access to comprehensive to preventative care, which is the most cost effective method of keeping the population healthy and costs stable.

the problem was poor people stiffing doctors and ERs for cost of treatment, simply because they were too lazy to do hardship excemption paperwork or preemptively apply for welfare. obamasurance made sure those bills got paid, by the healthy working class.

we're paying for lard asses healthcare which doesnt actually help them and is just a waste of money.

Why does McDonalds get Ocare waiver but mom and pop burger joint doesnt? Why did they make me buy coverage ill never use like maternity services? If i buy fire insurance for my house should they be allowed to charge me boating insurance even tho i do not own a boat or like going out in them?

The cost of healthcare went up for me to the point I avoid it. This is not some meme this is real life for me.

>Nigger, premiums doubled between 2001-2008.
Back then you could still get a cheap catastrophic plan or just not have insurance

everything you just said is absolute bullshit. do me a favor, go search the internet for just ONE person, ONE, complaining of denial of care or treatment prior to obamasurance. screen shot it and bring it back here. i bet you cant... because it didnt exist. smoke and mirrors. bait and switch. ffs can you people just stop lying. please. for once.

>the uninsured often don't have access to comprehensive to preventative care, which is the most cost effective method of keeping the population healthy and costs stable.
Here's the thing about that: the smart thing to have done would have been to limit any kind of mandated coverage to simply that. There was no need to go any further.