15$ minimum wage is fucking retarded

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if someone starts talking about $15 minimum wage just agree and amplify and tell them you think the minimum wage should be $5000/hr

Minimum wage jobs are for kids in high school and notmally have low brain power tasks. Want more money- get a better job.

t. $255k per year job with no college degree.

The purpose of 15 dolla min wage is to make it economically nonviable to operate a business in low population density areas. Thus forcing people from the suburbs/small towns to move into inner cities. It's more of that same old democratic party social engineering bullshit.

This. Just tell them of this country called Zimbabwe where every working woman makes at least 10000000 monetary units an hour!

I've noticed that leaves even hardcore lefties without any chance for coherent counter-argument.

>Like you can control what two privates do in low populated areas.

The goal of minimal wage it's to discourage piggy greed.

I doubt any of them have the brain power to think like that. It's more than likely an unattended consequence, much like getting their hours cut.

Whites should get a cumshot wage for all the bbc they have to suck

what they don't understand is that a $15 minimum wage will just make a higher percentage of people in poverty, which is probably what most of these lazy money grabbers want anyways. it will literally do nothing to improve their lives. there will simply be more poor people.

What the fuck do you do

I'm almost inclined to say... Let them have it. Fucking campaign for it. Push it. Because when it fucking arrives, their whole shit show will come crashing right the fuck down.

People need money to live. Paying them a decent wage should not be abhorrent. Corporations have the money, mom & pop's will adjust.

Then at the vert least, they have enough brain power to hire people who are smart enough to help them accomplish these goals.

>hey rich guy, you can spare some.

why is this such a common argument? do you have any idea how hard it is to be rich? most of you wouldn't put in the effort. rich people work like dogs and having all the money means you take all of the risks. I bet you think you deserve more than $15 for flipping burgers because hey rich man you got enough let me get somma that.

Fucking... This.

Explain why it's bad

>getting paid $8 bucks an hour
>various welfare, subd housing, subd healthcare, food stamps
>$15/hr lose most of welfare, lose housing subd, lose subd healthcare
>have as much money as before

Let's say I'm an independent business owner. It's a small store, for the sake of argument. I have eight cashiers/stockers who work for $10 an hour, 30 hours a week ($2400 a week expenses). I have four shift managers who work for $15 an hour 40 hours a week (+$2400 a week expenses). Finally I have two general managers who make $20 an hour who work 40 hours a week (+$1600 a week expenses).

Total weekly payroll: $6400

On an average week, after all expenses, I take home $1000 for myself; the equivalent of making $25 an hour for the ~40 hours I spend at the store every week.

So now this new law comes along and on Monday I have to start paying my cashiers an extra $5 an hour... if anyone has been keeping track, that's an added $1200 every week. I only made $1000 "extra" dollars every week to take home and feed my family, so what the fuck am I supposed to do here?

>All your customers will be making more money so they will spend more at your store and/or more people will be able to become your customers because they can now afford your products.

So... I should raise prices? If everyone does this, how does this help anybody? They'll be making more money, but that money will be able to buy the exact same amount of stuff.

>No, you'll move more product. Because people will be buying more things with the extra money they have.

I'm at capacity; as a small business my operation is efficient by necessity: I don't pay for more floor space than what I need for the number of customers I expect to serve. I can't afford to. I don't order more product than I can reasonably expect to move because I can't afford to. Now you're telling me I need to move more units to break even? How many more customers can I expect? Can you quantify it? Because I need to know how much additional floor space I need (and I need to find a place to rent with said floor space) and order additional product and if I'm wrong by any significant percentage I'll be out of business.

also it will ad to inflation, our min wage $18.29 which is $14.50 USD and stuff here is way more expensive

It's also just retarded. If you double the minimum wage you will also double the rich person's wage.
At the end of the day the expense of paying $15/hr will fall on the purchaser/customer and depending on what the purchase is, the customer might be a minimum wage earner.

Not to mention that some skilled jobs pay $15/hr and now their making the same as a burger flipper so they will want proportionally more.

You have to have shit for brains to think that minimum wage has an effect on purchasing power.

Explain why Japan has worse purchasing power than USA while everyone gets paid minimum 1000 monetary units per hour. Your answer is right there. It's not bad or good, it's utterly pointless.

Salvador Allende also famously increased minimum wage repeatedly. So did Hugo Chavez and Robert Mugabe. Worked out just fine, everyone can afford Tesla there, right?

$15 hr and legal weed are a huge success here in seattle.
it must suck living in a conservashit state with no freedom and no living wage.

It's bad because of...

yea it should be like 20 or something.

Minimal wage saved the population when we stoped having healthcare and ensured enough income to start having healthcare again.

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how much do you spend on beard oil a week faggot?

"Piggy" is large conglomerates that work hand in hand with government, increasing government control often leads to increasing profits, the commie push has been supported by big biz, they like their protected industries and atomiezed masses who have no identity left than through products. Marxism is a bigger failure than even most polacks realize

>you will have to raise prices anyways
being at the end of the supply chain handing the product off to the customer
>take a loan buy 4 self serve cashier machines
higher wages accelerate automation, eventually the increase in tech adoption and capital going into tech will end up lowering the cost to the consumer in the very long run.

>who does he do
That's the question.

He's a prostitute. PM'd me on reddit about it.

> Have work requirement for food stamps and welfare.
> Raise Minimum wage.
> Having any job now means you make too much money to be eligible.

Really makes you think.

Poor people are not poor because the Minimum wage isn't 15 dollars an hour, they are poor because they refuse to learn how to manage money or their lives. Half of these people don't even have fucking back accounts, because they spend every cent they make, rather that's 500 or 5000 dollars. A higher hourly rate just means more booze and drugs. Oh and it leads to people actually trying to get somewhere having no entry point int o the workforce, and others get their hours cut or outright loosing their jobs because businesses cant keep them employed.

I think seperating the lumpen proles fron the proles would be apt here, or in neoreactionary terms, the working poor from the underclass

I feel like even with an increase in minimum wage ratios spending/saving due to an increase in inflation (or not, usually if people make more, they spend more) will stay the same leading to no change

Momentarily. Then it was raised again and again and then your country went to shit in two years, leading to based Pinochet to purge your marxists.

Purchasing power has absolutely nothing to do with how many monetary units you get and all to do with productivity.

>well OF COURSE it shouldn't be that high, silly

>people shouldn't be able to survive on their earnings
why?

>minimum 1000 monetary units per hour.
the minimum wage in Japan is lower than 1000 yen, it varies by prefecture but 823 is average for the nation. Some prefectures are in the 600's and some are in the 900's
mhlw.go.jp/stf/seisakunitsuite/bunya/koyou_roudou/roudoukijun/minimumichiran/

You can survive on minimum wage, but you can't be comfortable. This is the incentive to move upward through the workforce in case you haven't realized

checked nippon

>higher wages accelerate automation, eventually the increase in tech adoption and capital going into tech will end up lowering the cost to the consumer in the very long run.
WOW
ITS ALMOST AS
ITS ALMOST AS IF RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE WOULD INCREASE UNEMPLOYMENT.
YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE ARGUMENT AGAINST RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE.

Just make it $100/h, it won't matter. Money isn't on a gold standard. It is pseudo-socialism. Making between 25-55k a year is about the same standard of living.

But increasing the minimum wage doesn't help the working poor, it hurts them the most. Those that are working 40 hours a week giving it their all, showing up everyday on time, they get paid the most, so they are going to be the first ones to get their hours cut. Jamal is just going to get fired.

That's the point retard. If you have to pay 15 an hour to a worker your only gonna hire the best workers. Which means low skilled niggers and spics are out of a job. And if they don't ha e a job and we cut unemployment as well then bye bye

You're retarded fuck-o. Put the $ in the right place.

>if someone starts talking about $15 minimum wage just agree and amplify and tell them you think the minimum wage should be $5000/hr

yeah but what's the argument against adjusting the minimum wage according to inflation ?

What is it with Republicans and wanting to work for next to nothing while their employers enjoy the fruits of their labour?

Textbook case of Stockholm Syndrome.

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The leftist don't understand anything about supply and demand. The only people asking for higher wages are two of the biggest labor pools in the in the country, cashiers and food service workers.

The reason they get paid so little is the fact there are so many of them. Think about it, go down the street and tell me how many restaurants there are or how many people in a retail store are the cashiers. You will be surprised how many people are or were in these jobs in your town. I would estimate at least 50% of your town's population has been in food service or a cashier.

The basic premise is that there are too many people in these two fields. there is no reason to pay them a lot because they can be replaced so easily.

>tfw I make 17$/h packing grocery bags

These dummies probably pay too much for me.

no. what is minimum wage in sweden?
what is the cost of living?

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>what is the cost of living?
Too much.

>what is minimum wage in sweden?
We doesn't have any minimum wage laws here in Sweden.

It all depends on what line of work, and it's set up by the unions and stuff.

Why do you assume we make minimum wage? Most of use have realized that if we stop complaining and blaming other people for all our problems, we start to get rewarded for our efforts and actually get somewhere. If you are at all competent you don't stay making minimum age past age 20. But its getting harder and harder to get started because idiots are taking those jobs and trying to keep them and live off them, making it harder for youth to find employment and start the process.

I know you're some retarded foreigner by the place you put your dollar signs

The only way for young people to get a start now in retail or food service is to get them into the back end of the business like warehouse. I would also suggest getting into construction as a starter job and avoid the """"""service sector"""""".

>Most of use have realized that if we stop complaining and blaming other people for all our problems, we start to get rewarded for our efforts.

Boot Licker.

Half the office is having their jobs outsourced to India, but you Jim, don't complain! And I like that. You can train them before you are laid off.

The left is all about short term solutions. When they get this wage they are happy till their employer has to let them go because they can't afford the wage. Economy suffers and the left blames capitalism. Every form of gibs has resulted in this pattern. Most every form of govt regulation of business has resulted in monopolies for the large corps and death of small business.

Call me what you will, but it seems to be working pretty well. I just started a new job recently after being laid off and I've already got a promotion lined up in like the first 3 months. The money and skills I gained were an asset. It was an equivalent exchange. Shit happens, stop complaining and take control of your own life.

i study alot of econocmics and politics. wages have been stagnate since the 1970s. so people are making the same amount of money from 1970s. thus a increase in min wage would be a NET BENEFIT

I dunno there was a study not too long ago where it had negative effect in literally every industry except restaurants. Kids want McDonald's to be a career.

The argument is against a minimum wage period. Allow employers to evaluate and pay employees based on their capability. More people are employed. People don't want to develop skills that will make them more valuable they just want gibs.

I refuse to work for anything less then $15, but thats a little different. If every shitshifter was getting $15 I'd need to be making $25.

Yes but from studying economics and politics you've come to the conclusion that communism is the answer, which means your opinion on anything relating to economics is invalid.

I identify as a 2spirit. I demand $30 per hour for mopping floors!

>$7.25 minimum wage was set in 90's
>meanwhile dollar value has inflated every year since then
You stupid fucks really enjoy being cucked by Walmart don't you?

These are also the kind of jobs being antagonized by illegal immigration.

There shouldn't be a minimum wage to begin with.

greed doesnt work out well with communism we get it

I just want to point out that presumably you've lived in America your entire life, but you don't know that the dollar sign goes before the number.

Jesus Christ.

It must suck to need your wages doubled to be able to afford living with a shitty job. Can't wait for best korea to nuke every last one of you homos.

Walmart pays $13.38 for full time workers and $10.58 for part time.
Keep believing everything leftist commies feed into your brain

nah. i know whats going down in the real world. i know people who worked they asses off working min wage and goin to school. most of them end up in worse shape. the ones that i respect on teh dudes that hustle on the side and sell dope and make it how they live. if you aint born rich you gonna struggle. i have people holdin it down from teh inside rite now and struggling. when they get out of jail they gonna go back to dealing dope. sorry but min wage needs to increase so POC can eat. but wtf do i know right? i only read 4 economic books and watch economic videos on youtube

btw your meme is lame just like you

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Unskilled labor will always be the lowest paid. Less people will be employed after a minimum wage increase. Reduction of the unskilled labor pool will have more effect. Combining the two might be a win win.

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HOLY SHIT. you have no idea wtf you are talking about .. im gonna send you post to my hisory professor so he can get a good laugh.

Are you trying to make the argument that niggers should be gassed? I thought you were a commie, not a fashy.

>Boot Licker.
>Half the office is having their jobs outsourced to India, but you Jim, don't complain! And I like that. You can train them before you are laid off.
>Aaaarrrgg ye be lickin' my peg-leg.

>Ye be lookin' fer doubloons are ye? Come back wi' me an' I'll give ye reddit gold! Ur else I have ye keelhauled an' walk th' plank!

>pays their workers shit while the government subsidizes their wages with EBT cards which get spent right back at Walmart
Jesus Christ this country is full of idiots. And yet you still have the nerve to wonder why the Jews control you

> i know people who worked they asses off working min wage and goin to school.
But have you?

>sorry but min wage needs to increase so POC can eat.
People of color aren't automatically low wage workers. Quit being a racist

> i only read 4 economic books and watch economic videos on youtube
You obviously missed the explanation of 3rd party payer. That is why the government is never very good at anything it is asked to do.

Well the problem is that leftists are fucking retards and will always find some retard reasons to deny the reality.

I showed my power level to my GM last night and tried to explain basic economics to him (Chicago's minimum wage just went up to 11). Not sure how he took it, but I'm positive the owner would agree.

>im gonna send you post to my hisory professor so he can get a good laugh.
Waiting....

>Companies shouldn't have to pay their workers a living wage
>Instead the government should use tax money to give the workers EBT and housing subsidies to compensate for the companies not paying a livable wage

Do you guys who are against raising the minimum wage realize this? Anyone who works full time should get paid a living wage.

>Complaining about $15
>Mexico's is $3.90
>We are currently on a Free Trade Agreement

But thats okay, you guys need some workforce :^)

Fuck you burgers.

Not an argument
Sage

>flake fag fakes flag
>im gonna send you post to my hisory professor so he can get a good laugh.
This is bait, right?
>my hisory (sic) professor
>my city college liberal arts professor

Things are also 500x cheaper in Mexico.

We don't want you over here, the more Mexicans and immigrants that come to America, the lower the wages, because we then have a surplus of workers willing to work for nothing.

>Mexico's minimum wage is now over 50% of the minimum in my home state
Holy shit, how did you guys catch up so quickly?

I support our new robot working class.

>Sup Forums 15$ minimum wage. How can people be so fucking stupid? HOW? I just can't...


The problem is that we have a inflationary system, instead of a deflationary one.

Even a 0.01 dollar minimum wage will fail

Or just check the flag. Mr $suckmydick

>EBT cards which get spent right back at Walmart
Welfare has been destroying families since it was implemented. Families are used to build wealth.

Our government is supposed to be breaking up monopolies, but every time we ask them to regulate things they end up creating monopolies. Minimum wage attacks small business. Walmart is the result.

>Minimal wage=Marxism.

Some times I don't know if you are dumb or just dishonest.

>500x cheaper
Not really, make the reasearch and do the math, minimum wage is Mexico is enough to barely survive as a homeless.

And we don't want our people there being treated like slaves, lets end NAFTA please.

Those of us who are against minimum wage increase also want to cut EBT and housing subsidies completely.

Cost of living in an area is a factor. Cost of living in Jackson, MS is very diff from San Francisco, CA. Same goes for US and Mexico.