An Inconvenient Sequel: Truth to Power

>China is one of the most polluted countries ever where people have to walk around with gas masks
>Floods across so many continents
I am pretty sure climate change is real

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Fuck off already

If you don't believe in Climate Change, ACTUALLY show some proof it is fake

And hey, at least this is a general discussion on Sup Forums instead of the constant shitposting I see on here

That's not how it works, Chaim. The burden of proof is on you, and no-one's been able to prove climate change is man made.

nah but the discussion is fake so wgaf? Not until the debate is scientific and rational will I support climate cucks policy. Right now the debate is on how to displace and marginalize whites. There can be no discussion about CC unless we discuss population growth and immigration and the left wont do that so no discussion.

>That's not how it works, Chaim.
REALLY? You won't bother to tell me why you think it's fake despite all the floods around continents

the problem with climate change is that by the time even the last retard realizes that it's real and a threat, it will be too late to do anything at all about it

youtube.com/watch?v=iE7k--I0f7I

Watch this old faggots first movie and see that absolutely none of it came true.

Inconvenient or not, you must

SINK
THE
CHINKS

>China is one of the most polluted countries ever where people have to walk around with gas masks
This film will end up motivating western nations to have a carbon tax and China will continue to be unregulated.

but its not real trump said so and he's the president i think i trust the president over some shitposter on Sup Forums

>I am pretty sure climate change is real
it's hard as fuck to get a clear opinion on that. That said we don't need climate change to see that environment is fucked and that all they're proposing to do about it is retarded and will end up costing me money for shit I didn't do

best thing about the climate meme is that you fags will be butthurt either way

Option 1: Climate change is real and we need to stop all the bad goys in Africa and Asia from mass industrialization. (even though it was cool when we euros did it)

Option 2: Climate change is a hoax, Africans and Asians, particularly China get no restrictions or sanctions on their mass production. India potentially a superpower if they can learn to use toilets. Coal mines in the US open again and poor white bois die of black lung and cancer rates skyrocket

Pretty much this. It's almost like environmental socialism. All nations that are advanced will be regulated to hell and less developed nations like India and China won't have any restrictions on them allowing them to grow.

A flood doesnt equate melting ice caps.
I have yet to see the correlation, though I'm sure if you compare Al Gore's videos, he conveniently included floods to his predictions after the fact since "muh rising oceans" was bullshit

Rather than argue schemantics using straw men we should say what we actaully beleive.

The climate is changing currently. Humans have had some effect although this may not be the main reason its changing. Humans are definaty fucking up the environment, although climate change could be irrelevant to this.

Its clear from historical data that the changes we see are not something new and co2 levels are no where near being the only cause of these cycles. even if humans have had a tangible effect on it i doubt we can stop it now. We should concentrate on things that can actually help rather than legislation that just looks good on paper.

do you think it will ever be possible for mankind to significantly negatively effect the climate via pollution and industrial/developmental activities?

Maybe in 50 or 100 years, signs might show? 200 years?

Why is this such a topic to reject like TOP KEK almost every nation in the world came together to sign the agreement, what? Everybodys a jewish agent. You guys are dumb, the science is there and proves it if you don't want to believe the scientist then fine live ignorantly, people can still have national borders and cooperate together to SAVE THE ONLY PLANET WE HAVE. Try having a white ethno state when when the majority of white homelands are underwater because those are the only places it'll hurt if you look at the data.

In what way is that a reply to what i said?

I think we are effecting climate change. I also think some of the data being used is cherry picked and using assumptions.

For example; its undoubtable that co2 levels are unnaturally high worldwide, its less clear that these levels are the primary cause of global warming.

There is nothing wrong with sympathysing with both sides of a theory.

Can anyone tell me at what temperature did the earth decide it was just right? Did humans come along just as the climate settled right where it's supposed to be? Would the climate be changing if there were no humans?

I'm unimpressed by this drivel

half propaganda half sensationalism

what do you propose as the alternative mechanism that is warming the Earth right now?

See graph
It changes a fucking lot, on both large and small scales.

Fair enough but the more you count the longer this will take, some people say where already fucked and its a non issue now, we just have to ride the wave when it comes. Some studies show that your native Britain will be almost engulfed, London will be gone, parts of Scandinavia will be gone, a lot of American coastline gone. Not fun
dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2609338/Would-YOU-underwater-polar-caps-melted-Map-reveals-planet-look-like-sea-levels-rose-260ft.html

one of the many things that has changed our enviroment historically, plus co2 levels caused by humans.

name a specific one

>Add CO2 and CH4 to atmosphere faster than they can be adsorbed by ocean and plants
>These molecules absorb infrared light
>This slows release of heat from earth to space
>bullshit, its muh sun cycles

Wtf? I love Earth now!

It seems pretty clear we have no idea what will actually happen, which is a great reson to worry.

And where not just talking about a bunch of people displaced and coastline gone, where talking serious damage to seasonal change as well, last time I checked we can't grow crops if we can't predict the weather but of course those are all worse case scenarios. Im no "its happening" type of person but we will be considered the most idiot generations by our grand children, and who will we blame then? The jews....yeah them jews done feed me the wrong info totally not my fault.

Various environmental incidents, lunar and solar positioning, and hundreds of other variables. What is your point exactly? That humans are the only thing to cause change?

My argument is that we as humanity have far too little understanding of these cycles to make any solid prediction.

>we predicted sea levels would rise and flood the 9/11 memorial
>a flood caused by a fucking hurricane floods the 9/11 memorial
>see we where right all along

Fuck off shill

Jesus christ man. I dont deny that co2 effects the enviroment. But we know that is one of many things, its fucking arrogant to act like we have something as complex and volatile as the environment figured out.

Climate change is real, they're called seasons.

Slide.

Do you seriously think politicians are gonna do anything to combat climate change? These people are scientifically illiterate power hungry goblins. There is no legislation they would pass that would make an ounce of difference, it's all just virtue signalling for the next election.
You think 3rd world shitholes like China and India are going to actually adhere to any climate agreement we come up with? These are corrupt shithole countries for a reason.

Do you have to pay money to see this movie?

Then there ya go

Are the other planets around us any more stable than the earth?

how does the position of the moon (which is a tidally locked body) change and what effect would that even have on the Earth's climate?
Changes in the orbital relationship between Earth and sun not only take place on much larger timescales (they don't induce a warming of 1°C in the matter of a few decades), but the current configuration would actually induce a very slow cooling trend, as was the case for the Holocene up until the industrial revolution.

My position is very clear: the changes in concentration of long-lived atmospheric constituents is the only forcing that fits in sign, magnitude and spatial characteristic to the observed warming.

I can't deny that maybe true, but we still must do something about the issue, unless end up like this

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Al Gore has already said its too late. Why should we worry?

how large of a sea level rise is this predicting?

depicting*

greenland.exe

Also a vast majority of middle and eastern Russia will be gone as well. In whole this would be the new world our dependents will be use too

About 260 feet, I believe

Pollution and climate change are two separate topics with little relation with each other, despite it seeming the contrary.

Local pollution (ie: particles) is a real problem. Anthropogenic climate change, on the other hand, is a bogus unproven theory that is only still researched and popular because it receives government money.

How certain can one be of the details of the co2 levels in the atmosphere 400,000 years ago? I know ice samples and deduction and stuff, but how close to certainty?

nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2013/09/rising-seas-ice-melt-new-shoreline-maps/

Yes, before the industrial revolution floods were unheard of and climate was static. Thank you based Goreman, I will now give my money to you and the third world.

that would be for the ice-free state then, which is (as of yet) very unlikely and would take thousands of years

a much more likely scenario is a SLR of 6 to 9 meters. That's the condition that existed during the last interglacial, the Eemian (Ipswichian, Riss-Würm, Marine isotope stage 5e), which was a few tenths of a degree warmer than the present.

could this graph be evidence of ancient atlantean civilizations who grew as large as humans and man made their climate change to the point of calamity and then some of them became extinct and some of them traveled to another planet?

If not technological advance, could it have been particular types of animals and plant relations that drove those climates up back then? What left, natural atmosphere adjustments and settlings, and the output and potential slight changes in distance of the sun? Asteroid strikes? Moon wobbles?

A couple thousand years is nothing on the grand scale, monuments from this era will still be standing, and its actually 216 feet not 260, but if only 216 feet can cause billions displaced, seasonal change and food storage, then I would be worried about 30 feet which is 1/10 of that. Sounds like nothing on that scale but we are talking at the worst 30 feet in OUR lifetime, and it will continue because we are helping it along

>I am pretty sure climate change is real
I'm pretty sure you're a moron then.

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to say its just a natural occurrence could be accurate but to deny that we are holding the hand of Mother Nature in her cycle of destruction is just a fallacy

the problem is that people like you still believe it and will go on believing it despite all the evidence proving it's bullshit.

The Al Gore townhall was fucking embarrassing

and what evidence would that be?

When there's not enough food in the forest, the deer begin to starve until there's so few that they can subsist off the food that still remains. Welcome to the forest, I hope you're not one of those metropolitan types that produces no food.

hahahahahahahaah COAST KEKS BTFO MIDWEST MASTERRACE

OMG WE HAVE TO PREVENT THIS

QUICK, LET'S SACRIFICE OUR CHILDREN TO THE RAIN GOD

The fact that there has and never will be a conclusive link between man made CO2 and climate change, unless you think that little ice age we went through was due to dark age summers tearing it up in the crusades.

realclimatescience.com/

start here.

this guy worked for intel on the i7.

>China is one of the most polluted countries ever

Then I guess its too bad UN's climate panel and the EU gives China a free pass on pollution all the time.
Wonder where all the money which is supposed to "fix the climate" goes..

Perhaps it has something to do with corruption.

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Correlation doesn't equal causation, although if it does I would urge you to look into the cycle of sunspot activity and how much closer it matches global climate data than any CO2 based model ever has.

To completely deny that the earth is changing is just being dumb, some people believe that its a natural occurrence some thing its that plus human interaction others believe its just human interaction, but to sit there and say that the earth isn't getting hotter and colder in certain areas is not true, global warming isn't just everything getting hotter, despite the name. And certain places will unfortunately end up under water, and many people will not say I told you so because we don't got over a tragedy

This.

They want to breed more of the dumbest people so that they can have a more easily ruled populace.

The real "inconvenient truth", is that hand size is genetic, dick size is genetic, and yes, brain size (and intelligence) is genetic.

you are a fucking retard, please kill yourself or at least get sterilised.

The effect of man's CO2 emissions on climate is so small as to be effectively immeasurable.

proof

>We must tax Cow owners!
>Taxing my goats? THIS IS ANOTHER RAPERAID
FUCKING HOOK-NOSED CLAN

the causation was discovered even earlier than that by the spectrographic work by John Tyndall

you can't handle the proof.

Three Reasons to Believe in China's Renewable Energy Boom
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May 12, 2017 ... It has atrocious air pollution. It fears climate change. And it wants to be a " manufacturing monster" in renewables too.
China is now the world's largest backer of green energy - Business ...
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May 8, 2017 ... China's remarkable growth over the past three decades has elevated it to global superpower status. But its economic miracle has also attracted ...
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Jun 27, 2017 ... There's been a lot of scepticism about whether renewable energy can produce all our future energy needs. So last week, a Chinese province ...
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Jan 5, 2017 ... China's announcement was a bold claim on leadership in the renewable energy industry, where Chinese companies are already among the ...

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In other words you don't have any.

That we have proved the existence of the greenhouse gas theory does not prove all climate change everywhere is a direct result of man made CO2. Surely you don't believe that we're doing so horribly wrong that we line up perfectly with a cycle that's been going on since before the first nigger fell out of a monkey in the trees? It's almost like humanity hasn't been impacting it greatly or something.... woah, man

KEK I'm moving to Alaska bud, my potato farming skills will be on spot

>he fell for the green meme
>he didn't consider it costs more environmental pollution to create his meme panels than just burning the coal straight for the same energy produced

start here, though of course you will play genetic fallacy so what's the point.

realclimatescience.com/

with populations continuing to grow, and more and more nations, cities, developing more and more, would you ever suggest an attempt to decrease any types of pollution? If these trends continue, for 50, 100, 150 years, would you consider it possible then that maybe even C02 emissions could have a negative effect on earths current climate?

Starting nowish, and towards the ever future, would you ever for any reason suggest researching and developing and implementing 'greener technologies'?

Good. Remember you'll need about 12 efficient acres if you want to support a nuclear family. Good luck.

>let's just keep unsustainable growing even though I've already recognized there's a supply problem
No, let's start killing shitskins. White people don't overpopulate.

what cycle are you talking about?

didn't they say this would be the reality today like 40 years ago?

of couse climate change is real. it has changed many many times. i just think they're a bit nuts with their assumptions about what will happen due to it. goalposts are moved backwards constantly.

The naturally occurring cycle of climate change? What, did you think we seriously did all this by ourselves? Did no one ever teach you about that time we had megafauna for millions of years?

>>he didn't consider it costs more environmental pollution to create his meme panels than just burning the coal straight for the same energy produced

One is an investment for a long term future.

if you say (part a) 'a lot of pollution' now for very little pollution in the future, or a lot of pollution now and continuing into the future with no thought or care or plan to ever cut it back at all or consider trying part a

Good news - I'll soon have waterfront property!

No, thats the worse case scenario, no ice at all, max water levels rise 216 feet, what is reality is that within our lifetime sea levels will rise about 15-30 feet

No, I mean total pollution output. It is dirtier to produce the meme panels and use it to expenditure than it is to just burn that same amount of oil instead of mining the resources and turning them into panels. The "green" industry is that unclean.

Al Gore sure knows how to make a buck.

One of my big beefs with the CO2 hysteria is that real environmental problems are being ignored, and the proposed solutions just make everything worse.

does that mean humans cannot negatively impact their environment?

If it is possible for humans to negatively impact environment, that is what is being cared about and discussed.

How certain can one be of the details of the climate 400,000 years ago? a million years ago? 100,000 years ago?

Well thats extremely arrogant. You can take any number of enviromental trends over millions of years and will be unable to explain them, knowing full well humans had no part.

My standpoint is that we dont know enough about the complexity of the beast to be so confident of primary causation in the case of co2.

You seem to have it pretty sussed tho, maybe explain how it changed so violently historically without human intervention?

again, what cycle are you even talking about?
Does it have a name or is it simply *that* one?