How did prices get this out of whack?
Why are we spending so much time trying to figure out how to pay a bill like this and save figuring out why the system is this broken?
Also if you are anti obamacare, and got this bill today, could you afford it?
> be amerishart
> get flu
> get wrecked by pharmacy bill
> get shot
I don't live in a shit country run by CEOs.
Not my problem.
the healthcare system is a disgrace but antivenom isn't exactly a good example.
the stuff is typically rare because it is so seldom used and required urgently so transport costs are very high.
Any advice for those of us who are stuck here though?
You basically pretended buying health insurance is like buying bread and milk. Your entire health care system is about funding research and development. This is sick, but your healthcare system benefits me more than it benefits you and of course I'm uncomfortable with that.
>if you are anti obamacare, and got this bill today, could you afford it?
What does the first have to do with the later?
Yes because I actually have insurance because I have accumulated experience and skills that let me find gainful employment at a company that offers exceedingly great insurance. Also a lot of medical debt can be forgiven/worked out. Dumb fucks don't know how to talk/figure out installments and such. Also all you faggots crying about people dying without insurance are retarded. You won't ever be denied service at a hospital of you're dying. They have to treat you. And furthermore that bill would be significantly cheaper if you told them you wanted to pay in cash and not with insurance. A lot of prices are inflated because of Medicare and insurance bullshit.
You are right. At-least it's cheaper to break your ankle.
because bullshit like obamacare (private insuarance) is the reason these prices are so high. When your insurance pays the hospital, they do not pay any of that money. It's a giant fucking racket. nobody pays the sticker price. Ever.
When insurance companies make contracts with hospitals they go "lol we will pay this much for x, BUT you have to change people without insurance x+1000%.
When you go to a hospital and dont have insurance, you know what happens? You dont pay that price either. instead you 'negotiate' a much lower price, the price they actually expect you to pay. It's a huge fucking scam, and it's enforced by government regulations and protections. insurance has its own insurance and the government bails everyone out which is why prices are so fucking high. Obango care only made it worse by encouraging more people with no money to go to the hospital for shit htey didnt need, cha ching.
But is the antivenom really worth the same as a house?
>highly regulate commodity
>it becomes overly expensive
>regulate some more
people are fucking stupid
Looks like somebody's been watching Adam cucks everything lol
So the solution to healthcare bills is to just never pay. What a fantastic idea, let's tell Congress.
I'm writing you a prescription for Talimogene Laherparepvec and another for Zyprexa.
A patient cured is a customer lost!
It is a pay-as-you-go world and I want a vacation home.
Thanks op.
They'll do a lot of extra, useless things if you're paying with insurance too.
>be me
>problem with tendon in finger, diagnosed by doctor
>requires surgery
>paying with insurance
>say they need to x-ray the tendon
>they proceed to x-ray the wrong part of the hand
>entirely excluding the finger that is having the problem
>x-rays can't even see tendons anyway
of course i don't think so but when you only have a hand full of businesses around the country milking certain species of snakes to produced a certain kind of anti-venom which has a limited shelf life and is required very, very quickly after exposure, the costs pile up very quickly.
Government intervention in medicine.
Same shit as student loans.
No, it's very cheap and abundant. Hospitals and clinics choose not to stock much antivenom because it's rarely used.
Why did they charge for Radiology when treating a snake bite? Was it a cancer snake?
Crony capitalism
So what happens if you openly claim that you don't intend to pay it off and never will?
Everything in America is fraud. You can go to any decent country and have a better life on half the salary.
>How did prices get this out of whack?
Insurance companies basing their rates off of what medicaid pays for services.
radiology is XRAY/CT/MRI, jamal
You're medical care subsidizes spics who won't pay their bills. Niggers do the same thing, giving fake names and info at the ER.
Weird, I broke my wrist a few months ago and barely paid anything.
>get bit by rattlesnake
>go to hospital and take antivenom despite that fact that it could have been a dry bite or your werent going to die anyway
gone are the days of surviving a snake bite and being able to tell a story about it
also dumb fucks being dumb fucks and getting bit
>flu
>pharmacy bill
You don't know how a flu works, do you?
By allowing this to happen you have increased your chances of getting cancer so the hospital can make more money and insurance prices have to be higher
Kek
Libshits really hate responsibility don't they?
Youre a fucking idiot holy sht.
>just dont pay and go into debt
Because the insurance foots the bill. You just pay something like a co-pay or some type of fee
>surgical services
funny how you only post extreme cases but leave out those details.
>he goes to the hospital when he gets the flu
Did I say that was a solution? The solution would be to stop the artificial rises in tuition of college/med school. Stop the frivolous lawsuits of malpractice. Unregulate and allow insurance to be sold across state lines. That would probably help alleviate a lot of the issues we see. But as I said current year you can go to the doctor with cash payments/installment plans that aren't those inflated insurance costs. Just one way. The other is stop being a worthless piece of shit and get a good job that provides healthcare.
>play with venomous snakes
>don't have health insurance
>have to pay hefty bill because you chose to play with venomous snakes without health insurance
>What is insurance
Problem solved Pedro
Paying for hospital bill is for cucks and retards.
I got hit by a car and the ER gave me a $25k bill. I just never paid it and ignored all their calls and letter. They never sent it to collections or anything either because they know better. Even if they did it drops off your credit report in 7 years.
Honestly if you pay your debts to kikes you are a FUCKING KEK SUPREME. Repay debts only to those that deserve it. Not jews.
Stop posting this exact fucking thread repeatedly.
Everytime it gets shown that this was a billing error on that patient and the price was waived in full.
Actually this may be a different person but I think this bill is from the guy who got the bill waived in full.
if you eat healthy/exercise/get enough sleep/drink enough water, get enough sun then you dont have to go to the hospital
dont you know (((healthcare))) is just so women can abuse it every time they get a headache
Test
He says he broke his ankle. Are you retarded?
that's because this thread is based on a total fucking lie
>Paying for hospital bill is for cucks and retards.
yeah paying for services rendered is fucking gay lmao
Here is a long shot but d9d you have insurance?
Yup. This is very true. My insurance covers a lot of shit and my secondary insurance covers a bunch as well, so a lot of hospitals try to rape me with tests and procedures. When they do that I tell them I'll just find another provider since they're giving me the runaround. They cut that shit out fast when you let them know you know what's up
I know what idea you're trying to push, but no bernie fantasy (((free healthcare))) is going to help. When I came back to the US in 2000 medical bills were very manageable. The more libshits push their shitty policy the more expensive things get.
Youre a fucking idiot. What about the people born with dieseases and syndromes? Kys.
t. 412 credit score
they should have been aborted
>pharmacy $83,000
Try asking this guy
You're a thief
Yeah, youre so right. Who gives a fuck about inflation and the cost of standard living.
>facepalm
exactly
he is the fucking reason this shit is getting so fucking expensive
frivolous trips to the ER
probably a mexifat retard
>could have
Hospitals gouge insurance and patients to pay for their research. The left attacked insurance companies while giving them a bailout.
Like you? Also, abortion is a medical procedure. If there was free healthcare then that might be possible. How fucking stupid are you seriously?
so why can't hospitals keep it in stock?
i understand its not like cough syrup and can be stored
but hospitals are in the business of savings lives are they not?
How did prices get this out of whack?
>subsidizing the sick
Why are we spending so much time trying to figure out how to pay a bill like this and save figuring out why the system is this broken?
>the system isn't broken, if it was any other time in history chances are you'd be dead. the system works fine, again, we're subsidizing people who should be dead
Also if you are anti obamacare, and got this bill today, could you afford it?
>yes because I have private health insurance but that's neither here nor there. I used to pay $74/month before Obamacare, after it went to over $400 rather quickly. I couldn't afford it until I got a new job and went without for a period of time. fuck off and pay for insurance if you want it and be responsible.
Cant. Didnt he get indicted for fraud? Fuck that guy.
I blame the illegals
Wife just broke her ankle. Paid $50 out of pocket for a visit and $50 out of pocket for a boot. When you're not a third world peasant you learn the power of pre payment. Guess what? We've also got hundreds of thousands of dollars of whole life insurance that pays for itself with dividends. Instead of remaining plebs learn how shit works.
You're the type of cunt who clogs up my local GP because you have a headcold. Gas yourself cunt
>get bit by a rattler
>better just sweat it out
Get real retard
>Also if you are anti obamacare, and got this bill today, could you afford it?
Yes, I could actually, because I have the best PPO plan with the best insurance company in my state because I actually worked for a living. I'm not a lazy gibmedats nigger that needs King Negro to steal the white man's money to pay for Shaqiune's triple bypass surgery after shitting out her 5th niglet from another daddy.
>you son will be born with a heart condition that we can correct
>NOPE ABORT LOL MASTER RACE ONLY HAHA
>forced to pay medical bills for treatment when you would rather have died
>can't pay doctors to kill you
broke my leg 7 years ago and didnt pay much at all, nice bullshit though.
It's an obvious fucking racket between health providers, pharma and insurers to add zeros onto the end of every bill. The entire system is fucked, stop defending it.
>How did prices get this out of whack?
Lack of transparency.
Government assistance to the poor and elderly contributing to corruption.
Over-regulation of health care services.
We need an Uber for the hospital, one that will put the oligarchs and the Jewish owners of hospitals out of business permanently.
imagine what the person behind this post looks like
imagine his daily life
has to be worse than even mine
>THIS IS NOT A BILL cropped out
Yes, because Medicaid is retroactive within a year of the visit.
Next time try to become knowledgeable about something before you push retarded lies based on your feelings, cunt faggot trannie nigger
>paying someone to kill you when you can die much easier and cheaper at home surrounded by your waifus
I mean this doesn't even include going postal
>be american
>thank your jew overlords daily for
>worse healthcare
>at higher cost
It's a fucking joke. Inevitably one of you brainwashed retards will retort people go to the US for care. Yes, if you can pay you get better care. That's the same here.
The difference is you think you're not socialized, yet the 10 000 dollar bandaids exist because hospitals are socializing the cost of illegal mexicans at the ER onto you. Yet you lick the boots of insurers and hospitals.
You can't count on a basic healthcare so the majority of all visits become extra expensive ER visits. A person who needs an antiseptic wash and some antibiotics, now comes into the ER with a gangrenous hand. Specialist hand surgeon and million dollar costs they can't pay that's transferred onto you, the dumb average working stiff. And you kiss the boot of your corporate masters for being so nice.
Not BS. Fiancé went emergency room for pneumonia - there for 4 hours in and a cat scan. Saw the bill 2 weeks later - $64,000
Insurance covered it, but they do this pricing because of the insurance co's and govt. whole system is a mess.
But until you've seen the numbers you don't understand it.
>so a lot of hospitals try to rape me with tests and procedures. When they do that I tell them I'll just find another provider
You literally created a financial incentive to fuck every single person that walks through the door and you can't understand how your care is worse and costs are higher.
>Worse healthcare
It's the highest quality, lowest wait times etc.
hey there, nice digits
RON PAUL 2020 FREE MARKET SNAKE ANTI-VENOM
>It's the highest quality
That's actually wrong, we are among the worst of 1st world nations.
True story 498/ mo for healthy /fit/ single male on obama retard care.
Marry wife 2 kids 40/mo.
So im just going to say that i could pay the 498/mo for the whole family seems fair. My rate as single male should have Been the 40/mo.
>paying someone to kill you when you can die much easier and cheaper at home surrounded by your waifus
Then people gotta come in and clean up your month old rotting corpse.
Either way, someone is doing some work.
>Either way, someone is doing some work.
Stimulating the economy is my preferred term
I guess it's like product stores keep, and I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and assume antivenom has a shelf life.
So the pharma companies will charge out the ass for it because of one reason or another, hospitals will order some to have on hand, no one or very few people come in for the antivenom, the hospital ends up dumping expired expensive antivenom?
Insurance companies get sweetheart deals from phamacists and doctors. What costs you $10k might cost an insurance company only $100.
If health insurance were outlawed, prices would collapse within a week. It's all just Jewish lies. Any problems that insurance or debt supposedly fix, are far outweighed by the ever increasing burden the create in the future. They're basically breaking your legs, then selling you crutches, then act like they are the good guys.
People don't realize that this is a result of crony capitalism between hospitals and insurensures.
All the prices are inflated for insurance companies so they can get the illusion of discounts.
The shit part about this is if you don't have insurance you get these inflated prices as well.
What bothers me is why hasn't there been a hospital/business that tries to fight this shit and cause actual market competition that will drive down prices.
Martin Skreli comes to mind but he did that to make the means for research and development have more funding and forcing the government and insurance companies pay more for it.
>have flu
>be the biggest pussy ever, so decide to go to the hospital
Just kys
Imagine going to buy a car, knowing nothing about the car you want and letting the salesman dictate what you pay. Then adding on thousands of dollars worth of shit you do not need. Welcome to health insurance in the us
so you're blaming him for not going along with a corrupted system?
Fuck you.
If we'd train more doctors then 'supply and demand' would be satisfied and costs would come down.
>What bothers me is why hasn't there been a hospital/business that tries to fight this shit and cause actual market competition that will drive down prices.
They either get suicided, or sued for undercutting their prices. And the whole industry is owned by Jews, so they are few and far between, anyways.
Capitalists only want to make money and they're all Martin shkrelis.
>Also if you are anti obamacare, and got this bill today, could you afford it?
>obamacare would have prevented this
lmaoing at ur life.
The corpatist dems wrote a bill that puts more money in insurance companies pockets. Let me know when they as a party ditch their corporate sponsors and talk about single payer
>broke ankle
>emergency services
The fuck did they do? Call an ambulance for a broken ankle and went to the ER?
Home remedy it, stay off it, schedule an appointment with your doctor ASAP. Don't be fucking stupid.
>What bothers me is why hasn't there been a hospital/business that tries to fight this shit and cause actual market competition that will drive down prices.
there are people who are profiting like crazy off of this. You bet your ass they will make sure it stays that way, either by throwing money around, pulling stings of influence, or just shady shit.
>>waaaah I was stupid enough to get bit by a snake why do I have to pay people to heal me!?!?!?
The system isn't broken for anyone that isn't a retard.
i said pharmacy not hospital
lmao get fucked, you cant even read the fucking bill op posted, thats why they stick in "care services" for 50k bucks
>figuring out why the system is this broken?
A majority of cost is in the payment of employees. This is a factor across the board.
Until you can get THE ENTIRE MEDICAL INDUSTRY to work for less and stay practicing in your 1 stop-light town than prices will stay high.
This is exactly why the ACA will fail. This is why EVERY attempt to FORCE-INSURE people will result in increased costs to the middle class. The costs are dictated by the medical industry, not muh gubmint. Certainly not by the poor or middle class.
Wake the fuck up. Watch how simple this is:
>Have leaking commode.
>The materials are made from semi-precious metal
>Semi-skilled half sober people install them with torch
>Home not burned down
>Home not flooded
>Shitter works again
Why did this cost $500?
Because the training factors into the cost. Its worth $500 to not have your downstairs flooded right?
Is it worth $150,000 to survive another day?
Wouldn't this just be Darwinian Evolution taking its course if Doctors hadn't stepped in