This is a pretty concise and accurate read on the current political reality of the US. Identity politics...

This is a pretty concise and accurate read on the current political reality of the US. Identity politics, largely popular on both sides of the spectrum, is completely individualistic, and is largely unhelpful for addressing actual systems of exploitation. Its only real use is identifying and cataloguing the effects of these structures. This is true for "sjw"s and "white nationalists" alike.

This board is a great example of that. All people are capable of talking about is cultural "degeneracy" and autistically googling swedish rape statistics. You see basically no discussion of policy because not only do people not understand it, but GOP policy is extremely unpopular. The democrats have choked out the leftist wing of their party with a full throated embrace of neoliberalism, which lacks a coherent political message, so all you see are both sides bitching about culture with absolutely no ability to change any of the systems of exploitation that actually effect their day to day existence.

The only hope is the recent explosion of popularity leftism is currently experiencing. Every group is exploited in some way, but workers are the only group who possess the collective power to do anything about it.

I'm curious what you all think. Is this a fair analysis or not?

Why did you come here looking for opinions if you yourself admitted that conversation can not happen on this board?

Ah another one of those autistic sub-humans that thinks having parents is oppression

You literally don't have normal brain chemistry, stop pretending to speak for anyone but yourself

That's fair. I do think there are people here who are interested in talking about this stuff, but they're are drowned out/overwhelmed by people who cannot or will not

Not sure how you got that from my post

>leftism
>being a hope
Kill yourself cuck
>"le workers of the world unite"
lmao full blown autism, how many times does this shit get debunked?

Once would be nice. What is your solution to wealth distribution as automation begins to replace an exponentially higher number of jobs

Let me guess, yours involves taxes

>The only hope is the recent explosion of popularity leftism is currently experiencing

I'm asking you yours

90% true
Except the GOP is implementing things good for Americans of any color.
Immigrants and POC aren't always the same. Poor and POC and always the same.
I'm white. My family has been poor my whole life. I'll probably be poor for mine as well, barring a windfall of miraculous proportion. I still have the understanding that slashing immigration is good for me. It's good for all poor people like me, regardless of color, because it opens the job market up for the low skill jobs and manual physical labor that allows the poorly educated American like me to earn a living income. With more of these jobs open the market must become competitive and the employers must therefore offer greater incentive to be employed with them.

At least the popularization of identity politics has shown us all how much of an annoying faggot the whole world is. Solid progress.

>Every group is exploited in some way, but workers are the only group who possess the collective power to do anything about it.
Communism is brain damage. Guess what? Nature oppresses you dumbass. Learn to deal with it.

I agree having a extremely controlled population growth using imigration to reach desired levels is extremely important economically. We already have one of the lowest imigration rates in the world though, and I think you are overestimating it's effectiveness as a long term solution. If the right wing solution to automation displacing labor is to marginally shrink the labor pool by cutting immigration, it doesn't really solve anything other than kicking the can briefly down the road, and introducing new problems such as population age imbalance. It's a short sighted and ultimately ineffective solution

How are you going to deal with the displacement of labor by automation?

Cut immigration and let population decline naturally as it should. It's the only rational solution. Sharing the means of production won't solve the fundamental issue with automation displacing labor.

In what way would it not?

Republican establishment, aka neocon, policy might be unpopular (for good reason), just like Democrat neolib policy, but Trump's policies are very popular. There's a reason he got 62 million votes without illegals, dead people, or double voters padding his total unlike Hillary, and there's a reason Congress has 10% popularity after obstructing Trump so much.

And you're ridiculous if you think Trump is using identity politics. He's a pure civic nationalist who just wants illegals gone and potential criminals and terrorists blocked from legally immigrating. I'm a white nationalist, but most Trump supporters aren't. However I do recognize civic nationalism as a useful first step. Being opposed to the insanity of the identity politics the globalist tools have been brainwashed to believe doesn't make you an identity politician.

Because it's inefficient and will result in less wealth than capitalism.

Automation replacing labor means fewer jobs. More immigrants will lead to a surplus of those unemployed.

>This board is a great example of that. All people are capable of talking about is cultural "degeneracy" and autistically googling swedish rape statistics. You see basically no discussion of policy because not only do people not understand it

Perhaps so, but on the subject of fully automated labor: short of lowering population directly (with war, famine, or plague for instance) there isn't too terribly much anyone can do about the displaced labor it brings about.
You seem the thinking sort, certainly, what would you propose as a long term alternative?

What is inefficient? I am having trouble understanding what you are arguing here

>What is inefficient?
Sharing the means of production. Better decisions are made when one person is in charge of the firm.

>less jobs because automation
>lets import low skilled 3rd worlders, whats inefficient about that?

you're not really this retarded are you?

Yeah obviously. The question is what, other than public ownership of this automation, will address the unfathomable upwards transfer of wealth that this massive unemployment would generate

It's accurate as far as the party lines go of course, but it's not accurate as far as the heart of Sup Forums goes.

There are a few layers to Sup Forums I will explain for you. There are the retards who are complete edgy contrarians (that's where you get the kekistan faggots), and then there's the people who are generally looking for the truth.

Neocons are cancer and are filled with idiots who accepts all sorts of faggotry. They supported Bush and now half of them only publicly support Trump because of political necessity.

That's not to say that "Sup Forums" supports Trump. You must understand that a place like this is filled with unfiltered anonymity, which means you will get every type of person with every type of opinion here. You will also not get people with weak stomachs here on this board who can't handle crazy ideas and opinions.

A lot of truth gets shared here on this website, but a lot of truth comes it comes with a lot of bullshit. You'll never understand what's going on if you classify what you see here as some right-wing board.

Look at the sheer amount of faggotry on this board today. It's not about that.

>We already have one of the lowest imigration rates in the world though
[CITATION NEEDED]
>If the right wing solution to automation displacing labor is to marginally shrink the labor pool by cutting immigration, it doesn't really solve anything
except the unemployment caused by automation. Why do you want to import more unemployed?
>introducing new problems such as population age imbalance
That's not new that's an existing problem. Adding more unemployed foreigners who hate white people is introducing new problems

Automation is coming, regardless of the minimum wage or imigration level. Those factors may influence the timetable but the end result is going to be the exact same. The question becomes to whom will those profits funnel towards? Right now, the answer is the same people that the lion's chare of the profits of human labor go to, the extremely wealthy. In this future, wealth inequality would increase unfathomably and the middle class would be wiped out in entirety. The other option is for public ownership of the automation. We will absolutely reach a point technologically that most people will not have to work because there won't be work to do. That can either be a weight on the neck of our civilization or a complete paradigm shift in human history

>the recent explosion of popularity leftism is currently experiencing

kek what is this 2008? The pendulum has been swinging the other way for at least the past 18 months

Ok but what good is more capital if it is going entirely to an incredibly small group of people?

What good is sharing the means of production if everyone will be equally poor?

All I'm saying is imigration rates are not a long term solution at all, just one factor in the timetable

I think this is fair

Genocide

Ok but my point is imigration is not the sole cause or solution to this problem, so what's your solution? We could allow no immigrants for the rest of time and it would not change this reality at all

Immigration to balance population age is kicking the can down the road. Its a pyramid scheme. You can do it forever unless you have an unlimited supply of immigrants, forever.

Leftism =/= liberalism. Liberalism is in steep decline

Because people would be collectively far better off than a future in which h we do nothing. Criticizing my take is fine, but until you offer an alternative solution it's ultimately pretty meaningless

But not better than a future where we severely restrict immigration.

And I wonder what the solution would be to breaking free from an economic system that requires constant growth... Hmmm

Ok say we completely disallowed all immigration. Automation is still absolutely coming. What do you do once you reach that point?

Its going to take Trump winning again to stop the Dems with their bullshit identity shit. Its not race working class whites are high of heroin and alcoholics during to an economy that is leaving them behind. Obama was good for coastal elites not so much for country people.

>turbo charged white identity politics
This shows how delusional Assange and most 'liberals' are.
If he thinks pol is turbo-charged white identity politics, is he a Holocaust denier?
Seems that white identity politics is in the 'give it two pumps of the accelerator and prepare to turn the key' phase of development.
>comment designed to be inscrutable for millenials

Agreed. Hope we can reach that point without Trump having to win again though

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Let it happen because I'm not a luddite. We don't need a bazillion people and automation won't magically make every job obsolete.

well (((user))), you should remember for your article that when you put quotes around "sjw" instead of calling them faggots, or using the word nigger at least once, we're going to know what you are.

That's what I think.

As to your bait, yeah, the democratic party is dying because they played the racial identity politics move way too quickly, they should have at least waited for 30% white to ensure a complete win. They're bad at games, enough said.

>What is your solution to wealth distribution as automation begins to replace an exponentially higher number of jobs

Get a different job

Basically:

>Muh Working Class

Class consciousness is false consciousness. The proletariat is not going to rise. The liberation is false.

>Muh Robots

Automation is not going to lead to Luxury Gay Space Communism, you idiot. Capitalism and society will adapt, as they have consistently and constantly done.

>Muh Exploitation

Exploitation, exploitation, exploitation. You fuckers use and abuse it for anything and anything involving a hint of disparity. It's gotten old. You are not being exploited by ebil crapitalists just because you aren't working a magical 4-hour day in a magical barrier-free cooperative society of sharing and caring.

>Muh Leftisy Idpol isn't REAL communism

One branch of the same rotten tree. Classical Marxism, taken and pasted onto the cultural sphere to rot things away so ostensibly the poor oppressed proles will TRULY wake up to your pseudo religion.

It comes to bullshit conclusions using the same bullshit methodology and worldview communists apply to everything.

>le workers of the world unite

I've been seeing more and more craftsmen, artists, and techies making tutorials and timelapses of their work on Youtube. If any nerd can get some youtube and patreon bux and sell shit on etsy, facebook market, and craigslist, I'm not concerned about automation. The job market evolves, grow up before you end up the next VHS repairman.

What do you think will happen to wages for the other jobs if there 2, 3, or 4 times as many workers competing for them? What impact do you think the people who can't work will have on the economy?

There will not be enough jobs, that is literally the entire point

>What do you think will happen to wages for the other jobs if there 2, 3, or 4 times as many workers competing for them?

What do you think will happen to the value of dollars if 50% of the population doesn't have any?

You can dismiss what I'm saying without making any argument, just know I can absolutely do the same to that dismissal then. I'm curious as to how you can see capitalism adjusting, what do you envision that future looking like?

id be extremely happy in a poor white civilization
i dont give a shit how rich i am in a third world hellscape
you will pay for your blatant diversity subversion over the past 50 years

>Reacting to mistakes means that you're committing mistakes in the opposite way no matter what
Wrong. The people becoming fed up with the endless race baiting of the left does not make them virulent skeptics. When one man trips over himself, it does not cause everybody around him to trip in turn. If a position is taken up erroneously (the Democrats and their social justice), then only they stand to lose. It is like a surrounded fortress. If an invader's attack fails, it can try again from any angle. The existence of polarized opposition to the Democrat party line is only evidence that the wind is blowing against them.

Also:
>recent explosion of popularity leftism is currently experiencing
Democrat party is dying. The Bernie crowd is destroying them from within, dismantling the establishment that Democrats have enjoyed for decades.

If 13 million displaced truckers suddenly became artists, , what do you think would happen to the value of art?

step 1 be white
step 2 who gives a fuck it will be a nice place to live

What is your argument?

As a new englander raised by democrats, I didn't care about my whiteness (or think about conservative politics as anything more than a strawman) until Democratic leaders shamed me for who I was (by proxy). Instead of hearing intelligent rebuttals to conservatives + the failures of democratic governance, I saw rational arguments ad hominemed into oblivion and critics of progressive liberalism shamed and silenced. I still don't agree with a lot of neocon policies (honestly bush admin's fault for the shitty branding of the GOP) but I'm not going to support a party that panders to the hatred against whites. Save that for South Africa and Zimbabwe.

Meanwhile people will ignore Assange and say he's both Putin's puppet and a mysoginist even though he's done more to hurt the War Machine than any liberal could dream of.

Until whites... finish this sentence.

Yes it is dying, but leftism =\= liberalism

how do you sense a problem with what youre expecting?
more automation
less jobs/work
more wealth shared between less people

whats the issue?

So your political views are reactionary is what you're saying. Makes sense. And I agree with you re assange

Your analysis is lacking in understanding of the Internet's meteoric rise and the power of meme magic. Your "workers unite" faggotry does not take into account America's transition to a service economy, or the fact that "workers" as you appear to understand them are overwhelmingly conservative.

Get real. The death of the Democrats is the death of the left. Any resulting radical leftist party would suffer the same fate as Teddy Roosevelt's party.

What makes you think the wealth will be shared?

Ok but what is your solution to automation displacing labor?

The death of the Democrats would be amazing for the left because it would set them free

it is better than filling the can full of fucking firecrackers and throwing it in your house.

Automaton control of the population.

Death can be liberating in a sense, but for those of us who care about the real world it represents failure. Get outta here with your

>tfw too intelligent to maintain a party

nonsense.

Your analysis is the opposite of what Assange is saying.

blind faith that if we have a kind white society with massive wealth it will be spread around generously because thats how whites operate in my experience
as a country of competing ethnic factions it will not be shared at all and we will be left by the multinationals to die in a cruel dystopia

>There will not be enough jobs, that is literally the entire point

Saying "There aren't enough jobs" is saying that this person is completely useless to society. I don't think that's true; there's always a need somebody wants fulfilled.
It's incredibly difficult to imagine what the economy will actually look like because things will be so different from today.
I imagine most people in america will have the ability to be self sufficient due to open source and wide spread technology. You can have an automated farm in your back yard. You have to remember, the prevalance of technology also means that YOU don't need to pay people for the things YOU need.

Cities will become places for only super wealthy people to live.
Electricity will probably be more expensive.

Anyway; smart people will get by, and stupid people will suffer... as it has always been.

He is speaking to neoliberalism not leftism

Hahahahahahahaha

The democrats have the begrudging task of preventing actual socialism in the US by absorbing and silencing any actual labor movement

For all the shit conservatives give democrats, Dem leadership doesn't want the game to change, they just want to attempt to leverage the rage of the actual leftists for their neoliberal purposes (suppression of wages through increasing supply of labor)

What democrats say is it what they do, hence the insurance lobby writing the affordable care act and bailing out banks

a rising tide raised all ships right.

Is not what they do*

What the fuck happened to good old CIA assassins? This guy would be rotting in the ground if our country had any balls left.

The irony being that the retarded lefties got white people to self-reflect and compare themselves to the "minorities".

They woke up.

You're arguing against public ownership of automation... By saying we could rely on open source technology? Do you not see the irony in that?

Actually it was muh Russians

Completely agree

Why?

Leftists =\= liberals, once again. Two very different ideologies

>muh no true leftists
Read the sticky's image, faggot.

Automation is becoming more convenient and the retail sector is shrinking

Add to all of this the massive student debt problem and the impending mass Boomer retirement which will cause healthcare and social security costs to skyrocket, we've practically dug our own graves
Sometime in the next 10 years we will face an era of hardship that will either toughen people up or cause them to break

Correct.

Hence the opposite of what you are saying.

The Neo-Liberal wing of the Democrats have no sincere connection to identity politics.

They are pulled that way by the leftists in the Democrat party.

They have NO component that is materially leftist.

They literally are different, if you are going to conflate them then you cannot critique them

Liberal is a messed up term in the US. Liberal = individual freedom, so pro-1st, 2nd and whatnot.

Social liberal is what the Dems and lefties in the US subscribe to, which is capitalism with socialism-lite socials policies, including pandering to minorities and whatnot outside of equality.

You can't solve labor scarcity by being tough

Because he's a gommie shill

>You're arguing against public ownership of automation
I think it's a nonsense statement to say "public ownership of automation".

Open source stuff will exist as it does today. There's no need for the dramatic societal upheaval that you're envisioning.

He's right about the GOP implicitly cementing themselves as the party of whites

I still agree. Identity politics as an abstract isn't wrong or bad, it's just misapplied and over emphasized in neoliberalism

You're right, but this board will never admit it. The vast majority of replies here are just idiots dogpiling on people that are eloquent. Someone will make a longer post explaining their position, and 10 people will just reply with "faggot" "shill" whatever type replies and maybe 1 person will try to refute it and fail. There's no real discussion. These people are too stupid to actually engage in debate, but realize the effectiveness of simple angry dismissal among their peers as valid. If the perception is that the majority views your opinion as invalid, then it is dismissed without serious consideration.

That's always been the weakness of this board. They like to say that there's no such thing as a "downvote", and there isn't literally, but Sup Forums engages in its own echo chamber reinforcing behavior to ensure that most opinions that fall outside of the generally accepted ones are never even debated.

Even when there is debate it's just depressing. The average debate on this board just boils down to a random right wing opinion that is assumed to be true based on the person's anecdotes and feelings. There's never much to back it up(or you have to spend all of your time debunking dumb conspiracy shit or explain why their evidence doesn't mean what they think it does)

tl;dr: You're right. The potential that this board has for open discussion of different ideas is buried under an avalanche of poor quality posting and mob tactics.