Who's more fucked, America or Europe?

Who's more fucked, America or Europe?

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I'd say Europe. Germany and Sweden will be the first to completely fall to Islam.

Right now, South Africa

Europe is beyond redemption. We aren't great but Europe is far more fucked it's not even a close comparison.

europe. they got people in fucking sweden who think they are hot shit . what the fuck did sweden ever invent? what wars did sweden win? finland has a entire fake history complete with faries and conquering all of europe and most of russia and they look down on gypo faggots despite having vlad the impaler as a actual historical figure people know the name of instead of sven who invented a new way to fuck cheese in a sock or larping as the greatest empire of all time

Europe. America still has its immigration policy, 2A, some protectionism, real patriots, etc. What does Europe have?

Not 40% spis and niggers?

Europe. We only had to deal with the influx of Mexicans but now Trump is deporting them and scaring them from coming

Europe just keeps getting endless waves of economic migrants and they're too cucked to do anything about it

I'm still waiting for the Eternal Kraut to loose it, then we're not far away from 100% uncuckening. This will never happen in America though, if anything, they'll fuck up everything. Again.

Social politics = Europe
Demographics = America
A population of approximately 700 million white exist in Europe, which is nearly 90% of the total population. America has 150m whites, which is 55%-60% of the total population.

>actually believes Nazis will come back
kek that's hilarious

Every last "white" country is in the same basic boat, by my estimation.

I'm proud to be an American. We still have guns and freedom of speech. In the European Caliphate you get arrested and killed in jail just for Banting Muslims.

In Germany right wing politics and racism is complete banned (except for Muslims of course) and France is past the point of no return.

Also Catholic Mexicans >>> Muslims

already down to 38% spics my nagger

Ice is doing their job

Estimated 1 million deportations this year and a half

The old statistics arent including trumps mass deportations

>That feel when the only reason your great nation progressed so far is because of a swedish invention that allowed your workers to blow shit up faster and more safely.

Also nice bait.

yes

america has dealt with its niggers for centuries, plus they have fire arms.
europe, obviously

Don't worry about America, we're fine. You need to be worrying about SA. We let in a bunch of Christian Mexicans, you have no idea what the real struggle is like. Imagine, your own country that you built, now is 97% African or looks like a very dark African American.

We always get mad about how no media talks about our LITERAL bloody genocide in many places in Africa, places the niggers aren't even native too. I realized that it's because we don't even feel uncomfortable talking about it, even though we're supposed to be 'making humaninity remember' with Art and maybe some exaggerated numbers/stories. The jews didn't event dodging a second holocaust, it's been done before. We must confront SA head on this time. 2 million of our people being tortured then killed will be too much, this isn't Zim. If it happens, I will not be forgetting this one. No more meme frogs, guns. That number is too high to ignore. Fight or flight

America was 80% white 30 years ago.

>tfw

Policy wise Europe by far. Demographically wise America by far

Niggers stay a constant number. Latins are no where near as bad as muslims and we have had them since we became a nation. They are part of our culture but we want the illegals, gangbangers and antiwhites out.

>we have had them since we became a nation. They are part of our culture
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

You're the reason you don't have a country left and are disrespectful to lardtards who actually care about their country.

Both

The West is fucked as a whole. The direction of a post industrial rev. society involves a narrowing sphere of freedom that we will gladly accept

Europe is right next to Africa, expected to have 4 billion people by 2100. What do you think? As bad as spics are, they breed less.

If current demographic trends carry on, by 2100, you'd have already been below 20% for 30 years.

Europe, but only in the sense that they're going to fall first. We're both heading down the same road, but Trump helped us apply the brakes a little

>but Trump helped us apply the brakes a little
Trump hasn't expressed any desire to remove 40% of the population of America somewhere else. If the end goal is the extinction or near extinction of whites in their traditional home countries, or the purpose is to demographically warp these countries leaving a minority, then you are closer to the wall than any European country in existence.

Short term, us. In the long, Europe. Europe is going to have all of its freedom taken away by overbearing gov'ts that can do anything because single issue muzzie voters only care about their religion and bringing in their brotherd. Basically Islam-lite oligarchies.
We're merely going to fade into fatuousvdegeneracy as our demographics resemble more and more thosevof brazil. We'll have a huge fucking illiterate rabble, but it will still be possible to get some things done.

>they breed less
Have you seen the average Mexican immigrant family in southern US?

Europe by far.

America has guns and freedom of speech. We can't be thrown in prison for saying mean things to muslims on facebook. And white people with guns have proven before that they can stand up against a mongrel horde even when greatly outnumbered.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dingo

>Have you seen the average Mexican immigrant family in southern US?
At least they care enough to keep the family unit whole. Niggers contribute to the fragmentation of family and family values

good point

You're generalizing Europe as the UK, France and Germany, which are ALL completely fucking awful but still x100 better off the US in terms of demographics. The issue is, that I see in all of these threads is, you're substituting nonsensical 18th century liberal niceties for having the semblance of an actual country left.

"Europe" is too big of a place to throw that blanket term over.

Pic related are legal firearms too. I know in places like Slovakia (I think), everybody and their grandma has a gun from the illegal supply lying around.

Actively? Europe. But America is a powderkeg right now. Dumb gullible right wing faggots that think with their gut and have a nigger-esque creed of anti-intellectualism vs insane shrieking harpies of the left with their crippling marxist dogma. Both groups are insane, retarded, and dangerous, but they make up the majority of people so we're fucked either way. There's no talking any sense to either of these groups so I'm just waiting for the inevitable civil war that erupts. I wish it were easier to gather a more moderate populace and just move away from all the cancer.

How far away are we from SHTF in America do you think?

Europe is more fucked.

Europe doesn't have 1st and 2nd Amendment protections and the left there is far more entrenched than the US. Europe's centre right is America's left.

The kindest thing Trump could do for Europe's right would be to exit NATO. At first the EU would rally, but soon all the historical rivalries would resurface. For good or bad, the presence of the US in Europe has allowed the Europeans to neglect many things. Once the rivalries are unleashed the publics swing right and the EU shatters.

America has been fucked for so long that you're used to it, so you don't see how fucked you are. Europe is only now starting to go the way of America.

If you're talking about who is gonna become more fucked than they previously were, then Europe.
If you're talking about who is more fucked overall, then America.

You are not 100x better in demographics. Your population will be 20% muslim in a couple of decades. That's much worse than even Brazil, in its long term consequences.
And we obviously don't mean slovakia, you imbecile. The fact that slovakia is 90% white does nothing to the fact that the countries that dominate europe are goong to have huge muslim minorities.

Europe still has a chance to get out of their mess, we Americans are already fucked. We have too much non-whites to ever form a fascist ethnostate without a bloody civil war. Europe still has a very large white population.

The only thing we have is guns (and I doubt we'll still have them in 20-30 years)...

>You are not 100x better in demographics
The UK is 87% white at the time of the last census, where as Europe has a population of 743mil with just below 90% being white (that is 700 million white people) versus a population of 350m where 60% (less when not including Arabs/Hispanics) are white. Your demographics are 3 decades ahead of Europe.

>And we obviously don't mean slovakia, you imbecile
Slovakia is in Europe and I meant the part about guns you brainless fat fuck. Each European country has completely different policies in terms of firearms and distribution rate. The legal rate of firearms differs so much from the lowest (Belgium, U.K, Ireland) to the highest (Switzerland, Czech, Finland) and you're still substituting nonsensical liberal niceties, that originated IN Europe, for having an actual country left.

Your demographics are horrific in comparison to any European country.

>Your population will be 20% muslim in a couple of decades
I missed this bit too.
>couple of decades
Being the key word in that. You're already 40% (likely 45%+) non-white. We're discussing reality, not the future.

Is Spain any good? I want to go back to my motherland.

Can you get guns there?
Help me out spanish bros

Socialism with diversity? will never work, people will move to the right in their attitudes of economy, when it becomes more and more clear that the "free shit" goes to the migrants.

Demographic is an obstacle, as it is evolving today. But it won't break neither Europe or the US, even with the current birth rates, there will still be +100 million with people in the US, 50 years from now.
With a +100 million white people, its hard to imaging that large parts of the US won't be organized into a "white-state".
Same principle applies for Europe.

we're both in a very bad situation and this constant bickering is not doing anyone any favors

>The UK is 87% white at the time of the last census,
So, about 80% now.
>where as Europe has
And? You do not live in Europe, you live in Britain. Grouping yourself with an entire continent does not alter your situation and is not relevant to my points, especially when the countries dominating europe will have significant Muslim minorities
>.our demographics are 3 decades ahead of Europe.
If we pretend your age demographics aren't terrible, maybe
> Slovakia is in Europe and I meant the part about guns you brainless fat fuck.
This just makes you dumber. Why should slovakians with guns have anything to do with you? Your police-state shithole is fucked.
>Being the key word in that. You're already 40% (likely 45%+) non-white. We're discussing reality, not the future.
And the reality is that 20% muzzie is your best case scenario. Your immigration hasn't slowed, 15% of your whites will be dead of old age is an many years, and you already have no freedom of speech.

Unlike America half of Europe is still salvageable.

I think people need to stop punching right and white. More productive to red pill leftist whites and keep the target fixed on the genuine enemies.

>unlike a country half a continent is
kek

>So, about 80% now.
If current demographic trends, taken in account of influx of migrants, 80% is a bit low. The estimate by the Eurobermator was 84% white and 81% white British.
>And? You do not live in Europe, you live in Britain
Are you serious? Is this an actual statement or an attempt to be funny? What the fuck do you mean Britain isn't in Europe?

>If we pretend your age demographics aren't terrible, maybe
No, you utter fucking brainlet. Only if you LARP in your fantasy world is the UK not better off, demographically, than the US. You're approx. 55% white versus approx. 85% white. 85 is a higher number than 55.

>This just makes you dumber. Why should slovakians with guns have anything to do with you? Your police-state shithole is fucked.
Because the discussion of the thread is about Europe versus America you fucking idiot.
>and you already have no freedom of speech.
Why are the fuck are you substituting this for being 45% nonwhite?

Do take in mind that the US considers Turks, and other niggers to be white. Really makes you think.

>You do not live in Europe, you live in Britain

You have more both landmass and people living in your decadent shithole, so the compraison is rather flattering for you.

There are more people in Europe than the US and North America as a whole.

Europe has so many countries that are economically underwater
Italy and Greece are being bought out by the IMF while Spain and Portugal have extremely unemployment rates. Also wages over there have stagnated while taxes are incredibly high. The median salary in France is €1800 a month due to high taxation

Also if the Euro collapses than the entire continent is fucked beyond repair

>If current demographic trends, taken in account of influx of migrants, 80% is a bit low. The estimate by the Eurobermator was 84% white
That's poor estimate. You think you've only dropped 3% in how many years?
>What the fuck do you mean Britain isn't in Europe?
God, you're so slow. The point is that Europe is not a continent, clown.
>No, you utter fucking brainlet. Only if you LARP in your fantasy world is the UK not better off, demographically,
Yes, in terms of % white, you're obviously better off (for the near future, not at all in the long term). As for effects of demographics, you're much worse off.
>Because the discussion of the thread is about Europe versus America you fucking idiot.
Great, dos that mean we can't discuss parts of Europe? We h ave to talk about Russia and Ireland as if they're in the same situation? That would be convenient for you, but it's not the case.
>Why are the fuck are you substituting this for being 45% nonwhite?
You're right, what was I thinking. I should envy a country with no rights, since demographics crises have to do with sheer numbers and not negative effects.

Don't do it, please. Don't take it away from me.

>>You do not live in Europe, you live in Britain

>you do not live in Asia you live in Japan

>The point is that Europe is not a continent

Wow

Obviously a typo. Jesus, bongs are slow

>That's poor estimate. You think you've only dropped 3% in how many years?
The last census was 2011, the ethnicity demographics are 2013-2014.

ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity

>God, you're so slow. The point is that Europe is not a continent, clown.
No, you literally said Britain isn't part of Europe, you fucking moron, and that is what you meant, isn't it? You've had to be corrected on Sup Forums because all of your life you've thought Britain isn't part of Europe, or the EU = Europe and because we're leaving a Union from the 1970s, that means we aren't geographically in Europe any more.
>As for effects of demographics, you're much worse off.
Every single aspect of race relations that you view as a negative stems from America. The precedent for how niggers act in the West was sit in America, through negro culture in rape music, movies, TV series, movements like Black Lives Matter, Malcolm X, MLK. The entire civil rights movements is a product of your nation.

>Great, dos that mean we can't discuss parts of Europe?
YOUR point was "America has muh guns", my point was, every individual European country has radically different firearm policies and countries like the UK with a 6.6. out of 100 inhabitants ownership are trumped by countries like Finland with a 50% out of 100 ownership, or Switzerland, or Czech, which have insanely different policies than say, California.

Hell, even Northern Ireland has even more open carry permits issued through PPWs than California does. You've somehow bullshitted yourself into saying it's out of context, even though the basis of this entire thread is Europe versus America.

>I should envy a country with no rights
You're substituting, again, liberal niceties that were all founded in the UK, for having the semblance of a country left.

You're the one who thinks Britain isn't in Europe, you utter mong.

Sure it was

Some are lol.

Yurop is a continent and Britain is an Island

New Zealand is not in Australia!

Europe is a concept that is dated back to 600 BC and Britain is apart of it.

Mathematically usa
Politically europe
Take your pick which weights more

Only California, Arizona, New Mexico, South Carolina and Delaware don't have a county that's over 80% white.I also assume Hawaii's like that.

And yet they still have a population of 150m whites versus 700 million (85-90% versus 50%-55%)

HOLY SHIT BERND AAYYYYYY NIGGA I WATCHED YOU ALL THE TIME IN EUROPE

Also Europe is undoubtedly more fucked. Our president is an idiot but at least he isn't inviting migrants in by the boatload to fuck our shit up

>b-b-b-but yer mexicans

Give me one terrorist attack in America committed by illegal mexican immigrants.

kek

>The last census was 2011, the ethnicity demographics are 2013-2014.
That says workers, among whom there would be fewer minorities
>No, you literally said Britain isn't part of Europe,
I did. But is that what I meant? Try to use that little thing your "people" call a brain for once
>Every single aspect of race relations that you view as a negative stems from America. The precedent for how niggers act in the West was sit in America, through negro culture in rape music, movies, TV series, movements like Black Lives Matter, Malcolm X, MLK. The entire civil rights movements is a product of your nation.
The "precedent" of rioting, fucking kek
savages do savage things, who knew
>YOUR point was "America has muh guns", my point was, every individual European country has radically different firearm policies and countries like the UK with a 6.6. out of 100 inhabitants ownership are trumped by countries like Finland with a 50% out of 100 ownership, or Switzerland, or Czech, which have insanely different policies than say, California.
Good to know. Your shithole is still not free, though.
>You're substituting, again, liberal niceties that were all founded in the UK
Magna Charta was drawn up under a name as English as "Johan sans terre"
> for having the semblance of a country left
What does this even mean? That a police state with three extra decades of whiteness is preferable to freedom without those decades? kek

sad shit tbqh

short term? europe
long term? america

Last time i checked Finland is 99% white and muricans are just above 50%.

>That says workers, among whom there would be fewer minorities
It's the entire country. ons.gov.uk/census/2011census
>The "precedent" of rioting, fucking kek.
>savages do savage things, who knew
That isn't a defence. The civil rights movement began in America, the so-called liberation of minority groups began in America, the concept of affirmative action, special privileges and the cultural obsession over race descends from America. You haven't got a defence because your race issues are infinitely worse than Europe. In the 70s, Enoch Powell was giving speeches warning the UK that American-style race relations were about to come to the UK, and he was 100% white, but they began and are still a lot more prominent in the US than the UK.
>Good to know. Your shithole is still not free, though.
Still not a point.
>Magna Charta was drawn up under a name as English as "Johan sans terre"
Magna Carta doesn't even mention the right to bear arms you fucking idiot. The Magna Carta (1215), the Provisions of Oxford (1258), the Provisions of Westminister (1259), the Statute of Marlborough (1267), the Welsh Acts of 1535 & 1542, the Petition of Right (1628), Instrument of government (1653), Humble Petition & Advice (1657), Habeas Corpus Act (1679), the Bill of Rights (1689), the Act of Settlement (1701), and the Act of Union (1706), Acts of Union (1800). For freedom of speech, see: Bill of Rights 1689, and for the right to bear arms see Assize of Arms 1181 and again, the Bill of Rights 1689.
>What does this even mean? That a police state with three extra decades of whiteness is preferable to freedom without those decades
No, it means you're substituting being able to criticise minorities (something we're openly doing now), for your government actually instituting a policy against minorities now that you are reaching levels of being below 50% white.

There are over 100 million whites here, how big is Finland's population again?

Again, there are 700 million white people in Europe (an area smaller than the US) and 150m whites in the US.

That's 55% of the population versus 90%.

What happens here

Farm murders and rape.

europe duh.... our niggers just kill eachother not everyone else and they kind of speak something resembling english

>our niggers just kill eachother not everyone else
Are you fucking blind or just wilfully ignorant? You have the highest black on white crime rates in world. Look at the rapes of white women alone.

Europe of course.
We won't be here by the end of the next decade.

What people in this thread don't realise is the following;

>fertility rates are dropping all over the world and will continue to do so
>racial segregation will naturally lead to 'white' areas of America/Europe even if ethno-nationalism is a thing of the past
>there are more white people living on the earth today than at any other time
>white people are living longer and more productive lives then ever before

White people won't be the only group going through a demographic crisis. It's already hitting parts of East Asia (e.g. Japan, Singapore) and will hit parts of Latin America (e.g. Cuba, Puerto Rico) over the next decade.

We have 700 million whites in Europe who will not turn into mulatto negroid race like you will become in the next 25-50 years. America is turning into Brazil and only now people are waking up. Here we can easily round up the few thousand refugees and gas them but your 50% negroid population are free to buy assault rifles and defend themselves.

>You have the highest black on white crime rates in world.
Are you sure that's not South Africa?

>It's the entire country. ons.gov.uk/census/2011census
I meant your 2014 stats, obviously
> The civil rights movement began in America
ergo, we are responsible for every ineptitude of yours with regard to minorities.
>Still not a point.
True, it's not relevant at all that you cannot own firearms, that your police force is corrupt and inept, that you don't even have real freedom of speech
>Magna Carta doesn't even mention the right to bear arms you fucking idiot
Did I suggest it did?
As for your list, a good half of those at least are norman inventions, and have about as much to do with the actual English as Thomas Jefferson's slaves had to do with his declaration
>No, it means you're substituting being able to criticise minorities (something we're openly doing now), for your government actually instituting a policy against minorities now that you are reaching levels of being below 50% white.
Again, what are you on about? And why does the number you give me change every time? topkek, it's like talking to a child

There aren't that many whites in South Africa and they're more segregated. They probably have more cases of whites being harmed simply for being white, where as niggers in the US may just do it in a robbery.

This, the 50% figure is a very very liberal estimate.

>I meant your 2014 stats, obviously
And yet you still manage to be wrong. They're the same census. The ethnicity results simply weren't fully completed until 2014.
>As for your list, a good half of those at least are norman inventions, and have about as much to do with the actual English as Thomas Jefferson's slaves had to do with his declaration
The British Constitutional system is irrelevant because 2 out of those 10+ pieces of legislation were written by Normans. That's like saying the Constitution of America is irrelevant because it was written by White Anglo Saxons, and now you're a country of Germans, Irish, Mexicans and niggers, you utter brainless fucking nonce. Those pieces of legislation are the centerpiece of British government, we don't have an entrenched constitution which governs it, we have a common law system which is governed based off precedent and existing constitutional framework - ALL of which those pieces of legislation effect tremendously.

>Again, what are you on about? And why does the number you give me change every time? topkek, it's like talking to a child

Because your own government considers Turks, Arabs and Mexicans to be "white" on a census. So officially, you're 63% white, but ACTUAL whites are closer to 50%-55% of the pop

I'd say Europe. We are mostly geographically fucked. Just think about space.

Our countries so small yet so close to each other but also close to Africa and relatively close to the Middle East. Political/racial and religious tensions are bound to happen and escelate since people are egoistic by nature and seek for the best standard of living so they all come here ignoring the fact that our economies are fragile and there simply isn't enough space for everyone to keep this standard of living long term. Mass migration from all sides will either replace us completely culturally and ethnically or it will be getting dirty. So there will be short term winners but only long losers in this game. It will be a huge mess.

When shit hits the fan and a new (civil) war breaks out or some civilisation threatening event happens, there is nowhere where we can go and nothing that we can do to protect our own kind either. Survival will be difficult in such densely populated part of the world. Murica has lots of space and also much less closer to Africa and Roaches (so much more time to act). You have a higher chance to maintain your civilisation the long run.

We list them as white, but, unlike you, don't actually have them.

>We list them as white, but, unlike you, don't actually have them.
The US has more Muslims than the UK in numbers you idiot.

That's why the "we have 150million whites" argument always fall apart, because statistics tell the story, not numbers alone, and the fact Europe has much more whites.

America

>Americans who say Europe
...really? Europeans will be the first to start to wake up because we're turning into a shitshow too fast not to, meanwhile the USA is 60% white and plummeting because of some false sense of comfort due to the retention of liberties in the present.

When the inevitable civil wars spring up across Europe, the US will be a massive majority non-white shithole and you'll be worse off than if you went down our route.

Well enjoy living in favela or fighting a race war against half of the population who are armed to the teeth. Better start training that Spanish.

I didn't know mongols even heard of assault rifles I thought you were still on horseback with the recurve bow

Making a Nazi salute get you arrested in Germany, everything is considered "hate speech" right across the continent, and in France the media brags about either lying to or hiding the truth from the populace, I'll give you two guesses.

>And yet you still manage to be wrong. They're the same census. The ethnicity results simply weren't fully completed until 2014.
Is the data for 2014? I don't believe it is
>The British Constitutional system is irrelevant because 2 out of those 10+ pieces of legislation were written by Normans
I saw at least four in your list, including the most important one, the Magna Charta. Incidentally, one of them did involve the right to bear arms.
>That's like saying the Constitution of America is irrelevant because it was written by White Anglo Saxons, and now you're a country of Germans, Irish, Mexicans and niggers, you utte
At least we have a good amount of the original founders blood in our veins, and speak the same language. You are the house negroes who inherited your system from a completely foreign people and culture.
>Because your own government considers Turks, Arabs and Mexicans to be "white" on a census. So officially, you're 63% white, but ACTUAL whites are closer to 50%-55% of the pop
But, unlike you, we have scarcely any of those people. The number counting Mexicans is actually over 70%, my mentally challenged friend
>The US has more Muslims than the UK in numbers you idiot.
Kek'd, percentage is what matters, obviously. What a stupid post

Finland has one of the highest rates of firearm ownership in all of Europe. They trump your liberal states like California by 100 miles.