What's wrong with ISLAM ?

I can't quite understand what's wrong with Islam.

Let's face it, we'll never go back in time. We'll never have a fascist or natsoc Europe. The only opportunity to end up with a somewhat decent and non degenerate society seems to be Islam. Of course I'm not talking about takfiris' Islam.

Muslim Europe would thrive, I'm sure of that. Islam is a religion of conquest, in which brave warriors are praised. Just think about the great muslim empires.

Maybe there's a problem with some or most muslims right now, but it doesn't diminish Islam, and it certainly doesn't make it inferior to western degeneracy.

I'll just quote Hitler and Napoléon (the quotes might not be exact quotes since I translating some of them) :

"Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers -- already, you see, the world had fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing was Christianity! -- then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies heroism and which opens the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so." Hitler

"The religion of Muhammad is the most beautiful" Napoléon

"I prefer the religion of Muhammad. It is less ridiculous than ours." Napoléon

"I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Qur'an which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness." Napoléon

And there are several others, from Napoléon, and from other people. Ofc it's cherry picking, because Napoléon also said Islam was human, just like Christianity, and Hitler probably said somewhere he was a Christian, but I think the quotes are interesting.

Other urls found in this thread:

meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Arab_socialist_political_parties
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I hope you didn't expect me to read that.

Half of it is just quotes most people know

Nothing wrong with it. But poltards will say it is degenerate and focus on ISIS fucking goats and pakis practicing bacha bazi or Muhammad having a child bride (as if it wasn't common back then) to try do discredit it.

Even Lamartine liked Islam and admired Muhammad. I'd rather live in an Islamic theocracy than in a degenerate shithole where my children will see gay sex displayed on TV.

>Muslim Europe would thrive
lol, all that oil money and still the middle east is a miserable, murderous shithole run by a handful of asshole billionaires and their jerkoff families. What on earth makes you think Europe would be any better?

I like alcohol and I like pork. I am simply haram by nature.

the problem is they happen to occupy a geographic region rich in oil.

if they had no oil, the average american wouldn't even know what the word iraq means.

>What on earth makes you think Europe would be any better?
Less sand prolly.

Islam is by far the most redpilled ideology/religion. It does not tolerate what the West gladly permits: zionism, feminism, faggotry, hedonism, infidelity, marxism, and all other types of degeneracy. Instead it promotes family and tradition.

Studies have shown a strong correlation between testosterone and conservative values. Studies also show that sunlight (because it provides vitamin D) greatly increases testosterone. Is it any wonder that the men who live in the desert have the heaviest beards and most conservative values?

The truth is that cucks with low testosterone (think posters at r/The_Donald) hate Islam because subconsciously, they enjoy the idea of their wife getting fucked by another man before them. They enjoy the idea of their girlfriend/wife wearing yoga pants to advertise their ass to every man who walks past.

>b...but they told me Islam was for raping children

(((They))) have been telling you this for years. How else do they plan on getting you to fight for their oil? Islam has about as much pedofilia as the Catholic Church, most of which (for both Islam and Christianity) is propagated by the jews to undermine religion. Most (((documented))) child raping occur in literal war zones like parts of Afghanistan, but I ask you to name me a country destroyed by war that also wasn’t rampant with degeneracy. In wealthy, stable countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria before the civil-war, all forms of faggotry, beastiality, and rape are punished strictly under Shariah law.

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>but Islam is too strict


Islam is strict for the same reason that the military is strict. The military forces you to do every task, whether it be shining your boots or making your bed, to the best of your ability because otherwise you’ll become undisciplined and unable to perform the more important tasks. Likewise, Islam has strict rules like praying five times a day, fasting, and wearing the hijab because otherwise, the people won’t follow the more important rules like remaining faithful to their spouse. Though this is what makes the religion prone to radicalism, it is what also makes the followers remain faithful.

>can’t we just be Christian

As much as I hate to say it, no. Christianity is far too permissive. It teaches the idea that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and that his sacrifice allows for the salvation of all. Islam, on the other hand, holds everyone accountable for their own actions. Repentance doesn’t matter on the day of judgement. Just look at the average ““Christian”” person today and see how sinful they are. Even Hitler is quoted as saying, “The Mohammedan religion [Islam] too would have been more compatible with Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness”

You can never be truly redpilled if you hate Islam.

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Countries that have oil aren't miserable. We would thrive because we're the most advanced countries in the world when it comes to science, technology or medicine. ME countries aren't. We just need to sweep the degeneracy out. And don't tell me "muh we're advanced cuz we ain't mudslimes", Islamic golden age is not a meme, Islam and science can co exist.

The culture is stupid and rotten.
meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

>Muh Oil meme
Jesus, it's not 2004.
We know now that Israel is the main reason for the wars in the middle east.

>whats wrong with a religion that decrees the oppression of women, the slaughter of innocents based on differences of faith, and suicide as long as suicide is for the benefit of the faith

Islam has done nothing good. One or two """"Muslim"""" scientists does not right the absolute barbarity it has brought on the world

Arabs are the worst muslims right now. Islam =/= arabic culture.

You..you don't think it was the US and the USSR trying to secure petroleum reserves for their militaries/economies?

>no, that doesn't make sense at all even though all evidence points towards exactly that. JOOOOS!

that is kind of the problem. all that oil has let a bunch of non-secular countries become very influential

but if you're trying the good ol' "we invaded irak for da oil! x^D" meme go kill youself

We sit at the pinnacle of Christian civilization, enjoying its fruits of freedom, justice and security and say naw, fuck this, let's just toss it all away and start over.

Are people just bored with the status quo or something? Because all things considered, life in the West is fucking great. Why do people insist that rebooting it or tossing a wrench in the works is a brilliant idea?

It doesn't really decree oppression of women. Ofc, your feminists, if they were honest, would think Islam is misogynistic af. The Quran just states men are superior to women. What's oppression for you ?

As for the slaughter of innocents, in the Quran, I think it says you can fight and kill those who oppress you for your faith, not every non muslim.

People are sheepish and unsure of themselves. It's the kind of mindset that makes people easy targets of cults. The influence of all this on the masses is one of dominance and control through mindless unquestioning.

Life in the West is not fucking great. We've lost dignity. Who cares about freedom and security when you don't have dignity ?

>Oil countries not miserable

Ever lived in one, you Algerian shit? They are not equal to us. Fuck your satanic shit. You deny Jesus, condone lying, cheating, slavery, paedophilia, and hate education.
I won't be happy until every last muslim cunt like you is driven into the sea.

This. The entire system of society (Islam, since it isn't merely a religion) is objectively by most measure, uncompetitive for its participant people. Wherever Islam reigns you have atrocious human rights records, no human development, stagnant to nonexistent technological development, famine, overpopulation, inbreeding, adversarial interpersonal relationships (at all levels), and a humongous display of pretense.

The last two are key. Syngergistic relationships, between peoples, companies, or otherwise is an alien notion to nominally muslim societies. There are winners and losers. This creates an adversarial society where it's siblings vs siblings, siblings vs parents, family vs extended family, tribe vs tribe, sunni vs shiite, muslim vs no-muslim. This explains the majority of the muslim world's problems, from poor militaries (who throughout history have been famously bad unless under the boot of an absolute autocrat).

Their sense of pretense being prime is also a huge hurdle. Bribery, enormous nepotism, and the lack of synergy / meritocratic culture, means pretense (that something appear correct or functioning) trumps something that actually works or is correct.

If something does legitimately function or is correct, then it either means a shit load of money was spent greasing palms or humongous corruption took place or both.

Therefore the pretense of a functioning _____ that's supposed to be what it is is better than if _____ actually is what it is or actually works.

This ties in with Taqiyah. Where lying for the sake of saving face in the moment is common, even in critical decision or action moments.

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Because of these reasons:

The only nominally muslim countries that are even modestly successful for their inhabitants/participants are those with huge natural resources to exploit and sell (namely oil, but others too).

Islamic companies are never a household name or understood as the blue chip gold standard. Heavy engineering? Most people have heard of Fuji, Thyssen Krupp, or CAT. What about a muslim heavy engineering company? What about design firms? Consultancies? General product firms? Architecture? Heck, even their oil companies aren't well known outside of the indsutry. Everyone has heard of Shell, BP, or Exxon. Not many people know Saudi-Aramco. Even their insanely heavily marketed airlines aren't first in people's mind, and the planes flown by those airlines are western designed planes by the likes of Boeing or Airbus.

It is a society that is also proclaims itself in writing to be in perpetual and violent conflict with anything that isn't Islam. So whenever someone tells you there are moderate Muslims, then they clearly haven't read the book. Wherever you look in the world today where there is conflict (with the Ukraine being a notable exception), you will find Islam bordering something that isn't Islam. Where Sunni's border Shiites. Where the wrong tribes border one another. From the southern phillipines to southern Thailand, to Myanmar, to Dagestan and Chechnya, to Pakistan and India, to Eastern Nigeria, to Northern Mali... wherever Islam borders, there is violent conflict...because Islam demands it and self proclaims it to be that way.

To summarize, Islam is completely anathema to Western society (that is to say societies that derive from age-of-enlightenment ideas, decisions, actions, and philosophy) and its ideals of egalitarianism, enterprise, ethics, propriety, and measure. The very things that have allowed humans to cut our teeth in space, develop super alloys, and mathematically skirt the very boundaries of understanding the universe.

>at least I have muh dignity
>islam
>dignified

literally wut

Every majority islamic country I look at is anything but dignified.

i'm Saudi and i agree ARABS are the problem
not islam

you see, you can't blame the car for an accident while it is because of a bad driver

Explain the technological prowess of the Caliphates. They were the birthplace of modern math and science.

Explain the success of the Ottoman empire. Or the various Military battles won by the Muslims during the Crusades.

It's easy to say Islam is a failure of an ideology when Western imperialism and Jewish meddling has destabilized the Middle East for decades.

I get what you're saying, some of it is true, but I don't think you've understood, probably because I didn't say it well.

I'm not a Muslim. I don't think it's perfect. I just think we have two societies, two trails ahead of us : going further into western degeneracy, or choosing Islam. I think the first one will happen, I think Islam being the majority religion is a fantasy, and western Islam will be destroyed just like catholicism got destroyed. But there's still more chances of it happening than Europe going fascist or natsoc once again.

The point is Islam can be a good opportunity, a good tool to eliminate degeneracy. If not Islam, what could do it ? We can cherry pick what we want to be western Islam, it doesn't have to be the most rigorous Islam. Syria and Egypt (when Nasser was around) were muslims, but the law wasn't sharia law.

i live in Saudi arabia IT IS NOT MISERABLE

Almost all of their knowlege was imported from non muslim societies. This was also before modern islam.

That argument is bunk and you know it.

Remember, in the late 1700s, Islam was on the verge of a protestant movement. It never materialized because Wahhabism was created as a counter that crushed any and all protestant movements in the Muslim world. They were never able to have their own age of enlightenment as a result.

>islam: for when you want to do continuous victory laps for something your ancestors did 1000 years ago (and nothing since)

Yay for you?

oh yeah, i forgot we invaded them because they "hate" "our" "freedoms" right george?

>120 degree temps
>entire economy built on oil and south asian slave labor
>get flogged for having sex
>no alcohol

man sounds great

Probably because you're one of their fuckton of princes

>literally one of the last countries to abolish slavery, and not that long ago either.

All the "technological prowess" of the Caliphates was stolen from Persians and Indians

Arabs have never made or done anything worthwhile, and Islam is purely an extension of Arab culture

We invaded them to secure the future of the petro-dollar. The whole world underwrites US debt because they need the future cash-flow from interest in US dollars so they can service their future energy requirements with oil (which can only be purchased from OPEC nations with the US dollar).

It was an economic choice, pure and simple. Our society is too soft anymore to handle that kind of explanation (we can't kill for our own gain, not publicly anyway), so we made up some BS to get in there and secure our economic future.

>whats wrong with islam
it exists

I can tell you the problem with Islam as I have spoken with the guy that made it. Islam is made by Satan aka "morning star" /moon to distract people from christianity. Just look at the logo it's a fucking moon with a star top Kek by Satan. Also in Islam god won't show him self when dogs are near which makes no sense because the true god made pups with love to help man out in times for need. Only the dragon Satan doesn't like pups because their nice wholesome creatures that provide love. Also any ideology that promotes violence and killings of others is fucked.

Decent and non degenerate? Might want to pay attention to reality, muslims and jews are the same people with different immaginary books. Muslims do not look down on bachi bazzis, and they abuse hard drugs more than we do in the west. They are cockroaches.

>Maybe there's a problem with some or most muslims right now
More like since they've been in contact with civilization.

Know the reputation that catholic girls have? Same thing with muslims. Why do you think they are constantly throwing acid in their faces and crushing them with rocks? They are SLUTS. People are the same everywhere you go, some archaic totalitarian ideology isn't going to change that.

It is, I've lived there. Secret BBM messaging to talk to a girl, no future for 90%of young men, chained to a wife who is a bratty child who can't do anything for herself, nothing to do, nowhere to go. Even if you are a Saudi Muslim man with money, it is still shit. You chase after middle aged burger divorcees as a means to escape your shit country and shit religion. Go choke on a herfy burger you jewdick satanic shit.

I used to live on Aramco in Daharan area of Saudi. The government is un appologetically corrupt, and Saudis are the most effeminate arabs I have encountered. Hard drugs everywhere, and booze is easy to get a hold of at private partys.

>Let's face it, we'll never go back in time. We'll never have a fascist or natsoc Europe.

What makes you say that?

If history has taught us nothing else it is that whites when cornered are the most dangerous animals on Earth.

>Kebab/groid invasion intensifies
>any white capable (the talented/wealthy) flee to V4 countries
>second renaissance ensues
>muds get jealous
>try to invade the last redoubt of the white race in Europe
>whitey launches kinetic strikes from space and cyber warfare attacks on the Caliphate of Eurabia
>white minority in the caliphate is sick of paying jizya/getting raped
>rise up
>kebab removed
>middle east jumps in
>middle east gets rekt
>chinks jump in
>America jumps in
>Australia is grinding its own rice problem
>Mexico makes a grab at the south west
>whitey makes a stand
>Canada sits on a giant spiney butt plug
>North Africa, Middle East, and portions of China annexed by whitey
>portions of Australia and British Columbia annexed by chinks
>next 100 years are proxy wars in Africa, black dog soldiers against chink colonists

Just because we have lived our lives in a time of unprecedented world calm doesn't mean shit can't jump off at any minute.

Islam cannot form stable societies and has many homosexual elements to it.

>It does not tolerate what the West gladly permits: zionism, feminism, faggotry,
Bacha bazi, manlove Thursday, women are for procreation, men are for recreation

>hedonism,
White prostitutes, sex slaves, Allah does not follow you over the bridge to Bahrain, 72 houris in paradise

> infidelity,
Polygamy

> marxism,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Arab_socialist_political_parties

>and all other types of degeneracy. Instead it promotes family
Temporary marriages, honor killings

in short, its over engineered. its rules, structre, and dictates make it only work for its time, place and culture of inception.

christianity says:
>love god
>love your family
> love your people
> love your fellow man (and life, etc., in general)

with some guidelines on how best to do that... which includes protecting the weak, helping the poor (which can sometimes mean beating them up till they stop sinning), working hard, etc. it can adapt to whatever time and culture, while still delivering positive results.

islam was an attempt at delivering some form of that ideology to the local arabs in muhammeds time. it did reasonably well in its time and due to various reasons is seeing a sort of resurgence (in numbers and chaos, not quantity or real impact), primarily because the west has given up christian core tenets for the most part, including most so called christians.

on the plus side, this conflict, along with degeneracy, etc., is leading to a resurgence of core christian values, consciously for some and unconsciously for others.

Sophistry sounds lovely when not held up to reality.

The most corrupt and biggest wealth division societies on Earth are Islamic.

The fact is any society that claims to be free and aware yet only functions of slavery is simply tyranny.
Slavery is all too common in the islamic world.

You are blue pilled and a sophist.

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I'm coming to respect Islam more as I get older. That doesn't I want inbred, third-world slime in my country, but the precepts of the religion make a lot of sense. It's probably the strongest representation we have of patriarchy in the world today.

>what's wrong with Islam.
the sandniggers

Everything, fuck muslims

not true

>pic related

They did this because they needed soldier's they are untermenschen but who says that this sumbags can't they in the name of the reich ?

Ohh shit a house , what's your argument ? Your wrong because

>pic related

It sends people to Hell.

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

My father cums to me delicious porkchops while frankfurters from his nipples. Islam would a helicopter my peaceful ways of farting beef jerkies.

Uh, great question shill.

Lets see....advocates torture, murder, rape, theft and lying....

No golden rule...in fact the opposite of the golden rule

Literally a false religion created by a false prophet......

Hadith, sira & quran contradict themselves (mecca quran vs medina quran) .....

Sharia is absolutely incompatible with western constitutional democracies & republics ....

Women & children treated in horrible repressive manners....

Sanctions the persecution of jews, hindus, buddhists, christians, atheists.....

Islam is a control system disguised as a religion....

Indonesia is hardly stable and hardly a country.

Its very premise. The calendar doesn't align with seasons. The Holidays are worthless moon worship. They are not following God. They do not know the way to heavens gates. Jesus is the only prophet besides old testament prophetic books. He conquered the heavens as proven by sept 23 revelation sign. He was the son of God. False prophets seem wise but rushed to profit in error. Mohammed just wanted to fuck children.

There is a difference between Islam and culture. Things like bacha bazi are cultural elements, hence why you find them in only localized areas of the Islamic world, not everywhere.

>hedonism
Prostitution is something only the Shia do with their nikah mut'ah. As for sex slaves, there is nothing in Islam that says it has to be legal. As for the degeneracy going on in the Gulf, they are very far from following Islam properly and you are probably aware of that. The houris are optional, and since heaven is a place where anyone's dreams can be fulfilled, it's just an example of that.

> infidelity,
Polygamy is mostly sanctioned for widows as we saw with most of the Prophet's wives being widows he took on to support.

> marxism,
Commies are universally despised and loathed in the Muslim world and the Muslims were one of the regions of the world least influenced by Communism bar a few exceptions. We saw this in Afghanistan when Muslims flocked from across the world to eradicate Communist rats with American aid (I personally still thank Uncle Sam for that).

>Temporary marriages, honor killings
Again, temporary marriages are Shia degeneracy. As for honor killings, it's not mandated by Islam.