A reasonable discussion about the 2nd amendment

I support all the amendments that Americans enjoy, but some are long overdue for a serious overhaul. I would like to specifically discuss how to effectively change the 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd amendment should be changed to specifically say which arms Americans have a right to bear. There are no reasons for ordinary citizens to own assault weapons or weapons with a clip size larger than 10 bullets. 10 bullets should be more than enough for hunting or self defense purposes. You do not need a gun for anything else.

I would like to see the second amendment specify a minimum age for gun ownership. Something in the range of 25-30. Guns are deadly tools and only a fully mature adult should have access to them. Most mass shooters are in their early 20s. We would be able to prevent a lot of gun crime with a minimum age for gun ownership.

Add something to the second amendment that gives the government the right to repossess anyone's firearm for any reason. It is the government's job to look out for our best interest, and it would be a lot easier if they had the ability to take guns away from potentially dangerous people.

Again, I am a 2nd amendment supporter but I think it is long overdue for some changes to account for it being 2017 and not 1791 anymore.

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Boi did I just catch you impling that the 2nd amendment wasnt designed to give citizens guns so that in the case of a hostile government take over they can hold their own?


The whole "only for hunting and home defense" meme was one I subscribed to for awhile, but its just not accurate to the intentions of the founding fathers at all.

>10 bullet clip
>clip

You realise it takes literally seconds to reload? The capacity doesn't matter when you just bring extra magazines

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shall not be infringed

they could not have worded it any clearer

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You again? Get fucked. You want to solve "the gun issue"? Get the niggers and beaners that shoot each other with illegal guns.

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Shall not be infringed.
Also:
>Assault weapons
>Clip

really- waste your intellectual shilling elsewhere- meanwhile - cash me outside

>Average American Gun Owner
>Is a fucking genius who understands that a malicious state legislating away rights is bad

Checks out.

Not an argument, please Americans try to be reasonable and respond with a realistic proposal. Currently too many people die a year, and something must be done. Banning assault weapons and hand guns would be a good start. A ban on semi-auto and magazine fed guns would also be necessary to stop the carnage currently going on in the country

>I would like to see the second amendment specify a minimum age for gun ownership. Something in the range of 25-30. Guns are deadly tools and only a fully mature adult should have access to them.
You should tell all those young criminal niggers that you don't think they should be allowed to own a gun. Livestream their reactions.

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Then people using knives would be more common, if you ban knives then people will use brass knuckles, if you ban brass knuckles people will tear apart anything to make a blunt weapon, ban everything and people will use their fists.

You cannot stop people from being violent, the best you can do is ensure that the innocents have ways to protect themselves.

Guess what happens when you take away guns? Criminals get them illegally and citizens no longer have them, that's making the criminal's job much easier.

Mate dont try talk shit about australia. yes gun crime went down but violent crime as a whole went up. It all got replaced with knife crime. And made crime on average easier and less risky. If you go out to the bad areas the refugees carry machetes from the hardware store in their baggy pants. Your not helping anyone, just giving away your right to protect yourself.

And before you say
"But muh ban ALL guns"

Just look at how prevalent drugs are in the U.S despite many of them being banned to see how effective government prohibition is.

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Sick of hearing of this garbage disguised to take our rights. If we can't defend ourselves from government tyranny, you have already betrayed the constitution.

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the jew won't include average IQ on this infographic

Weak pasta

Also the leftist agenda frequently appeals to emotion, the "carnage" you talk about isn't anything compared to what goes on in Mexico where gun ownership is practically illegal.

should we legalize grenades? how about artillery?

Lets cure people of the ability to murder instead! We'll start by promising large payments in the form of pokemon.

Excellent sarcasm my dude, now I believe you were actually addressing my point?

>some guy said an untrue fake news "fact" that confirms my bias so it must be true
Australia has not had a mass killing since Port

shut the fuck up burger, we don't have any fucking mass shootings as a direct result of no guns

kill

yourself

No. Fuck off.

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>government's job to look out for our best interest
1/10, stale bait

> a minimum age for gun ownership
That has bait potential.

you don't have to take the position that without guns people would stop being violent to support gun control. a person with a gun control mindset need only commit themselves to the notion that guns make violence more efficient and allow for an easy increase in the magnitude of harm a single person can inflict and how quickly they can inflict it.

Australia still has mass killings, dude... just not with guns. Our armed crime rate and rate of mass killings actually stayed exactly the same, but our rates of sexual crime went up.

I wonder why you are not showing instead a more relevant graph showing the total murders in Australia. Must be because it wouldn't support gun control.

Yes

>in australia we redefined what technically qualifies as a mass shooting, and we haven't had a "mass shooting" since!

>having no important military history or place in the world military industry
>being a sparsely populated island with easily controlled ports
Yeah sounds pretty easy user. Could totally be done in the US.

>le no mass killings but exact same murder rate is somehow an improvement

This is not to mention the massive spike in armed robbery and home invasion in the same period. Every time one of you retarded west coast seppos talks about Australia as if we're an example to be followed it makes me have a good ol belly laugh. You retarded cucks have no idea what you're talking about.

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SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Like I said before, banning them wont help, look at the prohibition of alcohol and drugs by the government, did they actually stop existing? Of course not crime syndicates arose to bring int he goods illegally

Ban guns = taking away civilian guns = barely affecting how criminals get their guns = power imbalance.

But by all means let's start putting bans and liscenses on kitchen knives like Britain.

The problem aren't the guns.
It's the fact that Americans are violent subhumans.

look at the gun crime stats divided by race

there is literally nothing wrong with the 2nd amendment, the only mistake is giving human rights to niggers

>posting this shit daily
A bullet in every gun grabber's skull and sage in every field.

i should change your head with a .45

thats an entirely different argument, and probably a more effective one from your point of view.

the other argument that "people will always be violent" is borderline retarded because of how easy it can be dismissed.

No, you kill yourself! Right now! Just. Do. It. Faggot.

It's not anarchy it's the american birth right. We're the last standing free nation on the planet because we the people are given the ability to fire back.

My argument wasnt that people are insane psychopaths, it's that banning a weapon isn't going to do much since if people really want to kill someone, they can find/make a weapon themselves.

But either way you havent refuted my point.

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What did Wal-Mart mean by this, Sup Forums?

realistically switzerland, japan, worst korea are also free. their governments vow retaliation and have proven overall rather sane about not killing their own people

>31%, 41%, etc with binary factors (has children/doesnt)
Man less than half when there are only two options sure is average. This clearly doesnt push an agenda.

True but if my house is getting broken into, i'd like to have a gun to fire back than wait 10 minutes (maybe more depending where you live) for the police to arrive.

Therefore, by your own explanation, a gun is but a tool, bound by the intent of the one carrying it.

Now I would understand you saying that burgers need a more thorough screening. But what you really need is screening for niggers and beanies.

Again, look at the intent. Not the tool. Remove nigger crime, and suddently the US falls to switzerland levels of crime. Switzerland who happens to... *gasp* allow gun possession ! But they must swim in crime too then... So why...?

Oh. No niggers in Switzerland. Gee. Can't make any correlation between those simple facts. Hmmm... Better take all gunz and change the founding constitution of my country.

Think before you breathe.

Eat shit, cocksucker.

You want em?

Come and get em.

You and your fucking family will die in cruel and unusual ways and you'll watch them go first.

Try us.

We're waiting.

Debate over.

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true. 2nd amendment is ideal in all circumstances, but in ch, japan, korea the violent crime rate is low enough that murder that isnt a crime of passion is low enough ti be negligible

whites only need 2nd amendment because of endemic pozz

2nd amendment in nonwhite nonasian countries is asking for trouble

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how do you feel about your "no magazines in open carry"?

True the culture has to have some sense of stability and morality if guns are to be used properly

>let's just remove the people who commit crimes in one population!
>see, now it's like this population who hasn't had most of its criminals removed!
Bravo

sage this fucking shit eating cocksucking OP

culture? its RACE buddy

Don't be disingenuous, you little cocksucker. You know what he means: if you adjust the American population to be white, and not full of subhuman shitskins, then the national crimerate drops to that of a country not infested by shitskins. What you're basically saying is that if you cure an infection by removing the infected flesh, it doesn't actually count because ???? or some retarded Euro cuckery.

dont sage the thread

we need to meme street executions for 2nd amendment deniers

signal amplification

as this debate heats up, we need to make normie conservayoves aware of what we need to do to liberals
heston got it wrong

not from my cold dead hands

from YOUR cold dead hands

Its not gonna change so give it up, because everyone knows guns aren't the problem, niggers are.

You have to try harder than that.

in every country on earth the dark skinned people commit the majority of the crime

there isnt a single light akinned person on a filipino prison, theyre all the darkest and most primitive phenotype, their nose and jaw are completely different, and there isnt a single person of this phenotype in the upper class

it really is remarkable. paterns rarelt hold globally

this justification fails to refute a gun control argument because there is still an arguable benefit to preventing people from doing bad things very efficiently.

Kys cuck faggot

>You have to try harder than curing the disease by removing the disease

I'm glad your wife feels fulfilled with Mohammed instead of you and that you're happy for her. Since he's "french" or "german" you must tell yourself it's not that bad, is it ?

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You STILL haven't addressed my argument of citizens owning guns vs criminals owning guns.

You can't ban all guns efficiently so all you're doing is taking guns away from the civilians and not the criminals who get them illegally.

>Thisfuckingguy

"I'll know what pornography is when I see it."

Now look at the homicide rate overall during that same time period. People still killed each other, just with different implements

the complete argument is that guns raise the cost of violent action for thr attacker and lower the cost od violent action for th defender, such that crime disappears

of course, this argument requires maybe 120 iq to fully grasp

This exact same thread again. Fuck you OP you ain't gonna sway anyone with your bullshit.

>You STILL haven't addressed my argument of citizens owning guns vs criminals owning guns.

i said it is a more effective argument. im not in favor of gun control. i happen to think one of your arguments is good and the other is retarded

the second amendment protects the first, end of discussion, maxine waters.

>the average gun owner has pro-gun opinions
wow what are the odds

i think guns could be efficiently bannrd of the government was like singapore and had the mandator death penalty for illegal posession, and mandatory death penalty for most serious crimes

that said, gun control advocates implement ineffrctive laws on purpose so thry can get elected AGAIN to "fix" the problrm, so they can create a new problem, then get elected again....

Why didn't you lead with that?

>stillthisfuckingguy

This pasta again for farming (you)s
Sage in all fields

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Yeah but in a place like the U.S which has sheer size and also the differences between federal and state governments, it's practically impossible

you introduced the arguments in separate posts and i acknowledged it as soon as you changed

1) fuck you

2) what I cannot have is what the military cannot have

3) history and the constitution itself shows that the 2nd amendment is for people to organize private and state militias, as to avoid the federal government from having a standing army. (Further supported by article I section VIII, only allowing the Feds to fund militias in times of war for short periods of time)

5) the purpose for us to own guns was to defend this country when it is needed or fight back against an oppressive government when it goes too far
Here is my biggest problem with you fagiolis, YOU BITCH AND MOAN ABOUT GUN DEATHS THAT ARE MOSTLY SUICIDE IN A COUNTRY WITH MORE GUNS THAN PEOPLE, THEN HAVE THE AUDACITY TO TELL ME THESE ARE A PRESSING ISSUE WHILE CARS OR ALCOHOL WILL KILL MORE THAN GUNS DO IN PROPER MURDER OR UNJUSTIFIED HOMICIDE.

You are not a supporter of the 2nd amendment. You have no care for people actually dying, because none of the left or your kind want to address car or alcohol reforms.

You are not American.

I legitimately hope you fucking get off the internet, never come to my country, and die a slow death.

You are nothing more than a wolf in sheep's clothing.


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Tyrant

honestly i think it eould be possible

the government would have to first kill all niggers, mexicans, muslims, and indians though

Fair enough, fair enough

They are also all homogeneous societies, the United States is not.

Dipshit, that is already a downward trend and guess what. You fucked over the rights of millions and people still die from guns.

Congrats, gun control doesn't work

The second amendment is meant to protect your right to take up arms against your own government. It's there to guard against tyranny and give the people the capacity to overthrow their rulers if they are not ruling well.
I bet a lot of lefties suddenly became more pro-gun when Trump got elected and they started plotting revolution in the back of their minds.

Replace "Americans" with "colored people"

Look at antifa larping with their fake rifles, they want a revolution now that it's their turn to take it up the ass.

they wont shut up until we institute a mandatory death penalty for those who defame the second amendment

we should make them pay for their attempts to kill us

they alrrady put together the surveillance infratructure. then they gave us cause to defend ourselves. then they attacked us. then they aclled for our deaths

thry gave emselves plenty of rope

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>too many people die a year
But I thought the world was overpopulated. Each gun death is a lifetime less carbon emissions.

>needs update

Yeah, I need recreational nukes. It's the only way I can be sure the government is working for my best interests.

europe was homogrnous. that did not make them free on its own

Can we just send some safety squads to this guy?

He really doesn't deserve to live as he is acting like tyrant...we don't take too kindly to your kind down south.

I'd gladly add you to some Alabama wind chimes more than any other type of person

everyone who uses a non geographic location flag is a shill

Fuckery is afoot

What ever guns the gov't may try and use against its own peopel are the same guns I should also be able to own. The 2a says arms not muskets. FUCK YOU!

It must be time for the south to rise again to take back this country.

Honestly, other than banks and the Feds, I'm not sure who the specific enemies are...so I'm still lurking

Agreed, flag update was shitty

>10 bullets should be more than enough for self defense purposes

Let's say it takes 2 bullets to incapacitate an aggressor (whether it's 1 miss and 1 hit or "2 hits needed" or whatever, 2 per aggressor is not unreasonable)

That means if a gang of 6 attack, you're fucked.

It's also incredibly easy to just make a bigger, illegal magazine - which the criminals will no doubt do, since they obviously don't care about the law, being criminals and all.

That means if you do the same modification yourself and successfully defend yourself, you're now going to prison because you're violating gun laws.

>There are no reasons for ordinary citizens to own assault weapons
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Eat shit, commie