I support all the amendments that Americans enjoy, but some are long overdue for a serious overhaul. I would like to specifically discuss how to effectively change the 2nd Amendment.
The 2nd amendment should be changed to specifically say which arms Americans have a right to bear. There are no reasons for ordinary citizens to own assault weapons or weapons with a clip size larger than 10 bullets. 10 bullets should be more than enough for hunting or self defense purposes. You do not need a gun for anything else.
I would like to see the second amendment specify a minimum age for gun ownership. Something in the range of 25-30. Guns are deadly tools and only a fully mature adult should have access to them. Most mass shooters are in their early 20s. We would be able to prevent a lot of gun crime with a minimum age for gun ownership.
Add something to the second amendment that gives the government the right to repossess anyone's firearm for any reason. It is the government's job to look out for our best interest, and it would be a lot easier if they had the ability to take guns away from potentially dangerous people.
Again, I am a 2nd amendment supporter but I think it is long overdue for some changes to account for it being 2017 and not 1791 anymore.
Boi did I just catch you impling that the 2nd amendment wasnt designed to give citizens guns so that in the case of a hostile government take over they can hold their own?
The whole "only for hunting and home defense" meme was one I subscribed to for awhile, but its just not accurate to the intentions of the founding fathers at all.
Joshua Mitchell
>10 bullet clip >clip
You realise it takes literally seconds to reload? The capacity doesn't matter when you just bring extra magazines
You again? Get fucked. You want to solve "the gun issue"? Get the niggers and beaners that shoot each other with illegal guns.
SAGE A G E
Luke Morris
Back to the cuckunion cuckflagposter
Sebastian Wood
Shall not be infringed. Also: >Assault weapons >Clip
Isaiah Adams
really- waste your intellectual shilling elsewhere- meanwhile - cash me outside
Noah Taylor
>Average American Gun Owner >Is a fucking genius who understands that a malicious state legislating away rights is bad
Checks out.
Sebastian Carter
Not an argument, please Americans try to be reasonable and respond with a realistic proposal. Currently too many people die a year, and something must be done. Banning assault weapons and hand guns would be a good start. A ban on semi-auto and magazine fed guns would also be necessary to stop the carnage currently going on in the country
Michael Roberts
>I would like to see the second amendment specify a minimum age for gun ownership. Something in the range of 25-30. Guns are deadly tools and only a fully mature adult should have access to them. You should tell all those young criminal niggers that you don't think they should be allowed to own a gun. Livestream their reactions.
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Jason Butler
Then people using knives would be more common, if you ban knives then people will use brass knuckles, if you ban brass knuckles people will tear apart anything to make a blunt weapon, ban everything and people will use their fists.
You cannot stop people from being violent, the best you can do is ensure that the innocents have ways to protect themselves.
Guess what happens when you take away guns? Criminals get them illegally and citizens no longer have them, that's making the criminal's job much easier.
Isaiah Davis
Mate dont try talk shit about australia. yes gun crime went down but violent crime as a whole went up. It all got replaced with knife crime. And made crime on average easier and less risky. If you go out to the bad areas the refugees carry machetes from the hardware store in their baggy pants. Your not helping anyone, just giving away your right to protect yourself.
Nolan King
And before you say "But muh ban ALL guns"
Just look at how prevalent drugs are in the U.S despite many of them being banned to see how effective government prohibition is.
Michael Fisher
this
Sick of hearing of this garbage disguised to take our rights. If we can't defend ourselves from government tyranny, you have already betrayed the constitution.
Dylan Rivera
Case
In
Fucking
Point
John Howard
the jew won't include average IQ on this infographic
Connor Morgan
Weak pasta
Also the leftist agenda frequently appeals to emotion, the "carnage" you talk about isn't anything compared to what goes on in Mexico where gun ownership is practically illegal.
Dylan Davis
should we legalize grenades? how about artillery?
Jordan Brooks
Lets cure people of the ability to murder instead! We'll start by promising large payments in the form of pokemon.
Levi Thompson
Excellent sarcasm my dude, now I believe you were actually addressing my point?
Mason Powell
>some guy said an untrue fake news "fact" that confirms my bias so it must be true Australia has not had a mass killing since Port
Owen Diaz
shut the fuck up burger, we don't have any fucking mass shootings as a direct result of no guns
kill
yourself
Jordan Peterson
No. Fuck off.
Charles Edwards
>clip >government's job to look out for our best interest 1/10, stale bait
> a minimum age for gun ownership That has bait potential.
Sebastian Thomas
you don't have to take the position that without guns people would stop being violent to support gun control. a person with a gun control mindset need only commit themselves to the notion that guns make violence more efficient and allow for an easy increase in the magnitude of harm a single person can inflict and how quickly they can inflict it.
Ian Campbell
Australia still has mass killings, dude... just not with guns. Our armed crime rate and rate of mass killings actually stayed exactly the same, but our rates of sexual crime went up.
Adrian Green
I wonder why you are not showing instead a more relevant graph showing the total murders in Australia. Must be because it wouldn't support gun control.
Elijah Jenkins
Yes
Jason Barnes
>in australia we redefined what technically qualifies as a mass shooting, and we haven't had a "mass shooting" since!
>having no important military history or place in the world military industry >being a sparsely populated island with easily controlled ports Yeah sounds pretty easy user. Could totally be done in the US.
Thomas Johnson
>le no mass killings but exact same murder rate is somehow an improvement
This is not to mention the massive spike in armed robbery and home invasion in the same period. Every time one of you retarded west coast seppos talks about Australia as if we're an example to be followed it makes me have a good ol belly laugh. You retarded cucks have no idea what you're talking about.
Eli Brown
no ancaps allowed in this thread
Cooper Roberts
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Ryder Long
Like I said before, banning them wont help, look at the prohibition of alcohol and drugs by the government, did they actually stop existing? Of course not crime syndicates arose to bring int he goods illegally
Ban guns = taking away civilian guns = barely affecting how criminals get their guns = power imbalance.
But by all means let's start putting bans and liscenses on kitchen knives like Britain.
Isaac Edwards
The problem aren't the guns. It's the fact that Americans are violent subhumans.
Adrian Ward
look at the gun crime stats divided by race
there is literally nothing wrong with the 2nd amendment, the only mistake is giving human rights to niggers
Joseph Parker
>posting this shit daily A bullet in every gun grabber's skull and sage in every field.
Eli Williams
i should change your head with a .45
Logan Cruz
thats an entirely different argument, and probably a more effective one from your point of view.
the other argument that "people will always be violent" is borderline retarded because of how easy it can be dismissed.
Jaxson Myers
No, you kill yourself! Right now! Just. Do. It. Faggot.
Aaron Moore
It's not anarchy it's the american birth right. We're the last standing free nation on the planet because we the people are given the ability to fire back.
Lucas Martinez
My argument wasnt that people are insane psychopaths, it's that banning a weapon isn't going to do much since if people really want to kill someone, they can find/make a weapon themselves.
But either way you havent refuted my point.
Dylan Morgan
SHALL
Christopher Perez
What did Wal-Mart mean by this, Sup Forums?
Ryder Davis
realistically switzerland, japan, worst korea are also free. their governments vow retaliation and have proven overall rather sane about not killing their own people
William Morgan
>31%, 41%, etc with binary factors (has children/doesnt) Man less than half when there are only two options sure is average. This clearly doesnt push an agenda.
Tyler Wright
True but if my house is getting broken into, i'd like to have a gun to fire back than wait 10 minutes (maybe more depending where you live) for the police to arrive.
Adam Wood
Therefore, by your own explanation, a gun is but a tool, bound by the intent of the one carrying it.
Now I would understand you saying that burgers need a more thorough screening. But what you really need is screening for niggers and beanies.
Again, look at the intent. Not the tool. Remove nigger crime, and suddently the US falls to switzerland levels of crime. Switzerland who happens to... *gasp* allow gun possession ! But they must swim in crime too then... So why...?
Oh. No niggers in Switzerland. Gee. Can't make any correlation between those simple facts. Hmmm... Better take all gunz and change the founding constitution of my country.
Think before you breathe.
Jonathan Sanchez
Eat shit, cocksucker.
You want em?
Come and get em.
You and your fucking family will die in cruel and unusual ways and you'll watch them go first.
Try us.
We're waiting.
Debate over.
Carter Morris
based plus sign
Brandon Morales
true. 2nd amendment is ideal in all circumstances, but in ch, japan, korea the violent crime rate is low enough that murder that isnt a crime of passion is low enough ti be negligible
whites only need 2nd amendment because of endemic pozz
2nd amendment in nonwhite nonasian countries is asking for trouble
Matthew Jackson
checked
how do you feel about your "no magazines in open carry"?
Dylan Lopez
True the culture has to have some sense of stability and morality if guns are to be used properly
Adrian Myers
>let's just remove the people who commit crimes in one population! >see, now it's like this population who hasn't had most of its criminals removed! Bravo
Gavin Gutierrez
sage this fucking shit eating cocksucking OP
Hunter King
culture? its RACE buddy
Jason Rodriguez
Don't be disingenuous, you little cocksucker. You know what he means: if you adjust the American population to be white, and not full of subhuman shitskins, then the national crimerate drops to that of a country not infested by shitskins. What you're basically saying is that if you cure an infection by removing the infected flesh, it doesn't actually count because ???? or some retarded Euro cuckery.
Ayden Robinson
dont sage the thread
we need to meme street executions for 2nd amendment deniers
signal amplification
as this debate heats up, we need to make normie conservayoves aware of what we need to do to liberals heston got it wrong
not from my cold dead hands
from YOUR cold dead hands
Christian Kelly
Its not gonna change so give it up, because everyone knows guns aren't the problem, niggers are.
Caleb Collins
You have to try harder than that.
Austin Morris
in every country on earth the dark skinned people commit the majority of the crime
there isnt a single light akinned person on a filipino prison, theyre all the darkest and most primitive phenotype, their nose and jaw are completely different, and there isnt a single person of this phenotype in the upper class
it really is remarkable. paterns rarelt hold globally
Jaxon Mitchell
this justification fails to refute a gun control argument because there is still an arguable benefit to preventing people from doing bad things very efficiently.
Eli Johnson
Kys cuck faggot
Xavier Gonzalez
>You have to try harder than curing the disease by removing the disease
I'm glad your wife feels fulfilled with Mohammed instead of you and that you're happy for her. Since he's "french" or "german" you must tell yourself it's not that bad, is it ?
Logan Mitchell
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Ian Clark
You STILL haven't addressed my argument of citizens owning guns vs criminals owning guns.
You can't ban all guns efficiently so all you're doing is taking guns away from the civilians and not the criminals who get them illegally.
>Thisfuckingguy
Michael Sullivan
"I'll know what pornography is when I see it."
Nathan Hughes
Now look at the homicide rate overall during that same time period. People still killed each other, just with different implements
Eli Garcia
the complete argument is that guns raise the cost of violent action for thr attacker and lower the cost od violent action for th defender, such that crime disappears
of course, this argument requires maybe 120 iq to fully grasp
Michael Young
This exact same thread again. Fuck you OP you ain't gonna sway anyone with your bullshit.
Dylan Thompson
>You STILL haven't addressed my argument of citizens owning guns vs criminals owning guns.
i said it is a more effective argument. im not in favor of gun control. i happen to think one of your arguments is good and the other is retarded
Wyatt Cooper
the second amendment protects the first, end of discussion, maxine waters.
Robert Cooper
>the average gun owner has pro-gun opinions wow what are the odds
Tyler Howard
i think guns could be efficiently bannrd of the government was like singapore and had the mandator death penalty for illegal posession, and mandatory death penalty for most serious crimes
that said, gun control advocates implement ineffrctive laws on purpose so thry can get elected AGAIN to "fix" the problrm, so they can create a new problem, then get elected again....
Jaxson Cox
Why didn't you lead with that?
>stillthisfuckingguy
Nolan Morgan
This pasta again for farming (you)s Sage in all fields
Nolan Turner
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Camden James
Yeah but in a place like the U.S which has sheer size and also the differences between federal and state governments, it's practically impossible
Levi James
you introduced the arguments in separate posts and i acknowledged it as soon as you changed
Cooper Reed
1) fuck you
2) what I cannot have is what the military cannot have
3) history and the constitution itself shows that the 2nd amendment is for people to organize private and state militias, as to avoid the federal government from having a standing army. (Further supported by article I section VIII, only allowing the Feds to fund militias in times of war for short periods of time)
5) the purpose for us to own guns was to defend this country when it is needed or fight back against an oppressive government when it goes too far Here is my biggest problem with you fagiolis, YOU BITCH AND MOAN ABOUT GUN DEATHS THAT ARE MOSTLY SUICIDE IN A COUNTRY WITH MORE GUNS THAN PEOPLE, THEN HAVE THE AUDACITY TO TELL ME THESE ARE A PRESSING ISSUE WHILE CARS OR ALCOHOL WILL KILL MORE THAN GUNS DO IN PROPER MURDER OR UNJUSTIFIED HOMICIDE.
You are not a supporter of the 2nd amendment. You have no care for people actually dying, because none of the left or your kind want to address car or alcohol reforms.
You are not American.
I legitimately hope you fucking get off the internet, never come to my country, and die a slow death.
You are nothing more than a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Get
The
Fuck
Off
This
Fucking
Board
You
Tyrant
Benjamin Cox
honestly i think it eould be possible
the government would have to first kill all niggers, mexicans, muslims, and indians though
Evan Gomez
Fair enough, fair enough
Andrew Phillips
They are also all homogeneous societies, the United States is not.
Isaiah Barnes
Dipshit, that is already a downward trend and guess what. You fucked over the rights of millions and people still die from guns.
Congrats, gun control doesn't work
Ayden Diaz
The second amendment is meant to protect your right to take up arms against your own government. It's there to guard against tyranny and give the people the capacity to overthrow their rulers if they are not ruling well. I bet a lot of lefties suddenly became more pro-gun when Trump got elected and they started plotting revolution in the back of their minds.
Joshua Ramirez
Replace "Americans" with "colored people"
Kevin Ramirez
Look at antifa larping with their fake rifles, they want a revolution now that it's their turn to take it up the ass.
Brody Cox
they wont shut up until we institute a mandatory death penalty for those who defame the second amendment
we should make them pay for their attempts to kill us
they alrrady put together the surveillance infratructure. then they gave us cause to defend ourselves. then they attacked us. then they aclled for our deaths
thry gave emselves plenty of rope
Noah Perry
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Chase Flores
>too many people die a year But I thought the world was overpopulated. Each gun death is a lifetime less carbon emissions.
Camden Richardson
>needs update
Yeah, I need recreational nukes. It's the only way I can be sure the government is working for my best interests.
Nathaniel Wright
europe was homogrnous. that did not make them free on its own
Nathan Campbell
Can we just send some safety squads to this guy?
He really doesn't deserve to live as he is acting like tyrant...we don't take too kindly to your kind down south.
I'd gladly add you to some Alabama wind chimes more than any other type of person
Carson Fisher
everyone who uses a non geographic location flag is a shill
Xavier James
Fuckery is afoot
Nicholas Ramirez
What ever guns the gov't may try and use against its own peopel are the same guns I should also be able to own. The 2a says arms not muskets. FUCK YOU!
Luis Perez
It must be time for the south to rise again to take back this country.
Honestly, other than banks and the Feds, I'm not sure who the specific enemies are...so I'm still lurking
Benjamin Miller
Agreed, flag update was shitty
Xavier Smith
>10 bullets should be more than enough for self defense purposes
Let's say it takes 2 bullets to incapacitate an aggressor (whether it's 1 miss and 1 hit or "2 hits needed" or whatever, 2 per aggressor is not unreasonable)
That means if a gang of 6 attack, you're fucked.
It's also incredibly easy to just make a bigger, illegal magazine - which the criminals will no doubt do, since they obviously don't care about the law, being criminals and all.
That means if you do the same modification yourself and successfully defend yourself, you're now going to prison because you're violating gun laws.
>There are no reasons for ordinary citizens to own assault weapons webm related Eat shit, commie