What do you think about Jordan Peterson?

What do you think about Jordan Peterson?

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=nKL3MsKRtJo
youtube.com/watch?v=l7ufIBRZRKk
youtube.com/watch?v=Nyw4rTywyY0
youtube.com/watch?v=dLfMc0CRyQU
youtube.com/watch?v=X_y0LxcANic
youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Smart guy fighting the good fight.

Why he teaches the bible though is beyond me. He hasn't a clue what the bible says.

Good for normies with "meh" issues.

Not really anything he can do for people like me who completely fell through the cracks.
He actually mentioned this in one of his lectures, he said his videos are more for people who have their stuff together, or need a bit of a push to help get it together, but he said for people with actual serious problems they should go see a clinical psychologist 1 on 1 face to face instead of watching his videos.

What does the bible say? I'm interested.

It says that people without spiritual discernment cannot understand the bible.

But in general, it's the story of the universe from conception to end; it's about the creation and fall and redemption of mankind; it's about the reconciliation of the Creator with his creation.

He made me proud to be Canadian

>a man who spent 30+ years wrestling with "what is evil" doesn't understand the teachings of the bible
You are an idiot. He understands it better than most people. He understands what it is as a relic and why it exists in the fashion it does.

also the memes are great

No, he doesn't, and neither do you. He talks about flood myths, and the myths like David and Goliath, and the myths like the creation myth in the bible.

None of those are myths.

Good intentions. Useful actions. intellectual lightweight

If he doesn't have a clue than what hope does anyone else have? The guy has dedicated a large part of his life to labouring over the meaning and various interpretations of every sentence in the book, coming at them with knowledge in 10 other different fields to try to break them down.

I'm not trying to make an appeal to authority here, just pointing out that if you claim he has no clue what the bible says, than the vast majority of humanity doesn't even have a clue what the bible is, much less what it says or represents.

> Smart guy fighting the good fight
Totally! It's amazing how one guy with the courage to speak honestly has been able to make such an enormous difference in the world. I have a lot of respect for him.

> doesn't understand the bible
I would say that few people, if any, "understand" the bible. It is a very difficult book, and there has been no shortage of disagreement over its meaning. I think, if you are a believer in the bible, you might say he misinterprets the bible, since he sees it as more of a symbolic book of truth than a literal account of history. But have you listened to him speak on Caine and Abel? I think he told this story better than anyone else I have heard it from

He's the father I wish I had.

ah but of course, YOU know what it says and means. You should do a lecture series.

The point is that the bible is not understood by the intelligence of men, no matter how intelligent they are, but is understood only by spiritual discernment (which is only available to born again Christians).

And even then, it's not a cake walk.

All of those are myths.

JP has made it clear that by "myth" he does not mean "made up." He just means that it is a story passed down over generations that reveals some truth about existence. Although I also don't think he believes that the bible is literal.

Did he mention that Cain was supposedly the messiah? No? Then he didn't understand it at all.

anybody who fights atheist bullshit and is very sensible and truthful in what he talks about is totally alright in my book.

God does, and teaches people.

People who attempt to brute force it never come to the proper understanding; they understand it as beasts understand things.

>t. satan

can you expand on this please?

Yes, he removes the reality of the bible from what the bible clearly states is reality.

And in doing so, demonstrates his misunderstanding of the bible.

He's not a bad guy. He's striving very hard to understand God. He's at least seeking God.

He has not found God yet.

I clean my room 3 times a week now

In context of them being codified into a single book, yes they are myths. The Bible isn't a "living volume" anymore. We don't add to it or subtract from it anymore, it has been solidified. Any idea of flood myths being based on fact came about AFTER this schism of solidifying what the Bible is and represents. The creation myth in the bible is most certainly a myth.

Look up the Hero's Journey and the Monomyth to understand what the Bible represents and why it exists in the manner it does.

Agreed completely. I think the way he carries himself in debates and when he talks is quite respectable too. He's obviously intelligent but is more interested in society than difficult philosophy, which is fine, but it doesn't mean anything he's saying is actually interesting (or necessarily correct either).

youtube.com/watch?v=nKL3MsKRtJo

>jordan "most of my friends are jewish" petersson
he's a good goy

You mean Abel, right? Cain was the one that murdered Abel.

That said, here is the interpretation I was taught in church: Abel sacrificed blood, while Cain provided the works of his hands. This is a testament to the fact that innocent (Christ's) blood is the currency that pays for sins, not the good works of our hands

Read the book of Job because of Peterson. The book of Job reads like shitposting off of Sup Forums with better grammer - everybody has a stupid useless opinion. Even Job's wife says kys faggot.

Nothing changes.

he never claimed to be an intellectual heavyweight. he generally encourages to read the heavyweights though

Which is why it's strange how people can just so easily dismiss old books and their wisdom.

t. someone who speaks the English language properly.

What's your problem with the myths you listed being myths? I can only presume you're larping as a Christian that believes them, but them being true wouldn't negate them being myths.

The (((jew))) is simply the head of the snake that is progressivism/liberalism. By conflating the jew for the snake you miss the target.

Sure.

When Adam and Eve fell, God cursed man to work by the sweat of his brow tilling the fields, cursed women to have pain in labor, cursed the serpent to crawl on its belly forever, and cursed the land to grow weeds and thorns, etc. Everything was cursed. The family was exiled from the Garden.

But God told them that the Seed of the woman (Eve clearly thinking God is referring to her) will crush the skull of the serpent, while the serpent merely bruises the heel of the savior).

Eve in her distress and guilt assumed that she was the woman who would bear the messiah, the messiah would make everything right again, and they could move back into the Garden of Eden. Therefore when Eve has a son, she names him Cain ("Here he is!") and says "I have made a son, and he is the Lord."

She trains Cain and tells him that he must work the field by the sweat of his brow, because that is the curse God placed on men. So Cain did so. Nothing happened. They did not regain the Garden.

Eve has another son, and names him Abel ("All is for nothing"). Abel, by faith, made a better sacrifice than his brother Cain, who brought the best of his harvest to the Lord. Abel, the first prophet, noted that God killed sheep to cover his parent's sin, and thus offered a lamb to God as a sacrifice, the best of his flock.

Cain's sacrifice was not accepted; the smoke did not rise to heaven. Abel's sacrifice was, and the smoke rose to heaven.

Cain, thinking and being told he was the messiah, the one to bring the family back into the garden, snapped. And yet God told Cain that if he was willing, a sin offering, a lamb, was crouching at his door, and all he had to do is sacrifice the lamb.

But Cain could not let go of his being the messiah by the sweat of his brow, by the toil of his labor, by the use of his hands. And in a jealous rage, he murdered the first prophet, Abel, and was exiled from the family.

Hence the bible's admonition against the Way of Cain: works.

The bible is the Word of God. Comparing it to, and saying it depends upon, other works of men is heretical and blasphemous.

...

"Your room is an externalization of your mind".

People always mistake the whole clean your room line as being some simple solution to their problems. What he is really trying to convey is that you need a starting point from which you can build on. If you can't even keep your own living space organized then how do you expect to make any decent progress in any other aspect of your life?

I saw a video that outlined 10 of his top pieces of advice for getting your life on track, and they were all solid points. So get out there, clean your room, save your father and battle the post-modernist ideologues, bucko.

Well, Sup Forums ?
youtube.com/watch?v=l7ufIBRZRKk

>t. satan

Your father, the father of lies, is the propagator of the lie that the bible is a fairy tale. You, as his child, spread his lies. You, as he, are doomed. But at least you have a chance to repent; the devil does not.

He's an e-celeb.

Good intentions. Useful actions. intellectual lightweight

>americans unironically believe this
HAHAHAHAHAHA

WELL?!
youtube.com/watch?v=Nyw4rTywyY0

Loved his interview with the google employee because he finally called out jews

>Hence the bible's admonition against the Way of Cain: works.

And that's why communism doesn't work.

...

I just finished listening to his personality course... I enjoyed it, lots of interesting info. I plan on spending some time getting up to speed on factor analysis now.

What's the real basis for this meaning of the names Cain and Abel? A quick search says that Cain actually means "Spear".

What lie is being spread?

The tales you listed are myth, even if they happened. The world is full of them.

What, exactly, has gotten up your ass? Just the fact that you didn't know what a myth was and jumped to an uneducated conclusion?
Don't worry about it, you're American - no need to get all flustered and type out your Satan rants over a silly mistake.

God is a very complicated idea. No one person can decide what God means, and everyone has their own gods, or higher ideals. It really just depends how you define it subjectively I guess

I don't think about him.

this

Man crush.

If he ever started a cult I would be the first one to join it. Listening to him talk does more for me than porn.

based af

>them being true wouldn't negate them being myths
>just because a man has a dick it doesn't mean xe isn't a woman

Quit feeding the trolls. It'll just make them come back begging for attention their parents never gave them

You're a fucking retard

Cool guy, many of his views align with mine. I am watching his lectures on the transformation of the self, pretty good.

Yes, I remember this.
What do you mean under " fell through the cracks"? Care to elaborate?

TRUE origins of Marxism and Cultural Marxism = kabbalah

youtube.com/watch?v=dLfMc0CRyQU

youtube.com/watch?v=X_y0LxcANic

The root-verb קנה (qana) means to acquire or create. It's the regular verb for a commercial purchase, which extends into the financed redemption of slaves (Nehemiah 5:8). It's probably this line of thought that describes God as redeeming Israel from Egypt (Exodus 15:13).

In a small minority of instances this verb may mean to create: Psalm 139:13, Deuteronomy 32:6, Genesis 14:19). Our verb is also the one exclaimed by Eve when she says, "I have gotten/made a man-child with the Lord," after giving birth to Cain (Genesis 4:1).

Talks about speaking the truth regardless of consequences, but doesn't address race realism. If people followed him, we'd just be back to 80's conservatism that would get subverted all over again because it doesn't attack the root cause

The lie about what "myth" means.

myth
miTH/Submit
noun
1.
a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
synonyms: folk tale, folk story, legend, tale, story, fable, saga, mythos, lore, folklore, mythology
"ancient Greek myths"
2.
a widely held but false belief or idea.

I don't see what's so special about him. He's some spiritual guy who whines a lot.

God is a person, and He knows what He means, and can communicate same to whoever is willing.

Link to all of JP's biblical lectures:
youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat

this

In the Hebrew version of Gen 4:2 Cain's name is part of a word play in Eve's cryptic statement made at her first son's birth. This word play is created by her claim to have "gained" (קנה) a man which would have had a poetic similarity to the name Cain (קין). [...]

[Philo] further develops the pun in the Hebrew by declaring that Cain's name means "possession" and then goes on to provide his own etymology of the name: "The first of these two views is figured by Cain who is called Possession, because he thinks he posses [sic] all things" (Sacrifices 1.2). Josephus also notes that the meaning of Cain's name is "possession" (Ant. 1.52) as does Augustine (City of God 15.17). As we will discover in a later chapter, the etymology of Cain's name became important to those who sought to describe him as greedy and the archetype of the rich oppressors of the poor. As with the attribute that Cain was the son of the devil, anything that could be found to explain why he killed Abel was used to help fill out the details of the story.

The naming of Abel is complicated once again by the complete lack of any detail. Abel's birth is described almost as an add-on to that of Cain's, and there is no declaration made about the son by the mother, nor is there any etymology provided for the name as there is with Cain and Seth. In Hebrew הבל means "breath" or "vanity" and is used elsewhere to describe the shortness of human life (Job 7:16; Ps 144:4; Eccl 1:2). But in spite of the lack of an etymology, interpreters were able to extrapolate meaning from Abel's name which in turn allowed them to expand the text with their own interpretations. Thus Josephus says that the meaning of Abel is "nothing" (Ant. 1.52). There is a variant in Josephus which replaces "nothing" (οὐθέν) for "sorrow" (πένθος) and is similarly found in Philo's interpretation of Abel's name (Migration 13.74). [...]

>He hasn't a clue what the bible says.
Have you watched every lecture of his biblical series? Without pushing myself forward as someone who knows anything, the things he says make sense and will be very hard to rebute.

He's a fascinating and wise man. His approach to the JQ and Christianity in general is I find a bit too cautious and cucky, but he's trying to hold onto his career I guess. But he has a lot of good life advice which you need to hear if you're a neet.

>He hasn't a clue what the bible says.

And you do?

At the very least you should start to clean your room and improve your direct physical surroundings.

I've seen several, and he conflates the bible with Homer, with Plato, with the LOTR, with Game of Thrones, etc.

It's kind of ridiculous for him to attempt to teach something that he is not only not an expert in, but not even capable of being an expert in. The bible isn't just some book you can intellectually master; it is a spiritual and supernatural wonder that has to be understood with spiritual discernment, not with intellectual rigor.

Which is why he fails to understand it.

Yes, yes I do.

...

I am just going through the courses in chronological order, which ones are on the transformation of self

I haven't watched it, does he take an archetypal interpretation of it?

We need more male role models like him. Straight, white, conservative men in the Western world who are not afraid to criticize the degeneracy of the radical left. He also values tradition and the beauty of Christian and European lore and culture. It's great that he's starting to amass a large following amongst normies. Anyone who shoots down everything he stands for simply because "muh jews" doesn't understand how redpilling works.

I'd say maybe 10% of the millennials have a tidy room. Maybe 15%.

I think one of his greatest contributions is the examination of the self as though you were in the Weimar Republic, and that you would 99% likely be a Jew killing Nazi if you were, rather than some underground hero.

Most people do not know the depths of wickedness to which they are capable, and never examine it at all.

Wew lad.

>Which is why he fails to understand it.
He tries to grasp the link between the rise of human consious and the natural evolution of historical stories.
He actually calls for people to listen and come up with counter arguments. Just spouting "he is no expert, spirituality is hard so he should shut the fuck up" is shit tier.
Sort yourself out and attack him on content.

dumb civic nationalism who is all about muh individualism yet cries over western civilisation.

Just watch the first lecture and see for yourself.

He shouldn't shut up. He should continue to seek God, and find Him. And then, once becoming a Holy Spirit filled Christian, he will be prepared and equipped to finally understand the bible.

People like you rely on other people to tell them what the bible says. Because people like you don't realize that the first part of this post is mandatory.

I worry about Peterson, I think the attention gets to him, in the bible lectures they treat him like a messiah in the Q&As at the end. It results in him not really making totally robust arguments, since the majority of people around him simply lap up everything he says and when he does get to actually argue with people he just kinda blindsides them with barely explained leaps in logic which does one of two things, has people think "this guy is so much smarter than me I can't keep up" or "this guy is a fucking idiot", which I don't think is really useful.

Like with his website that tells you how post-modern a university course is based on its description. What's the point of that? It only serves the people who agree with everything he says, who likely don't need it, it doesn't really help spread the idea that people shouldn't attend these courses.

Western civilization IS becasue we value the individual, therefore individual strenghts can be exploited for the greater good.

His biblical interpretation is reminiscent of Modernists like the Jesuit Teilhard de Chardin. He interprets the scripture as myths whose value is purely psycho-social. You don't get the sense that he has faith in the divine and supernatural. He views reality in Darwinist terms.

>the rise of human consious

You mean the first few seconds Adam was alive?

Oh, that's right. You papists don't think the bible is true.

He is the true prophet of kek

>People like you

Nice argument

Bullshit.

Western civilization exists because of the importance of the values held by the family units that make up western civilization.

Everybody thinks the individual is important, even commies think they're special.

Yes, this is very much the case.

Once again

Is that you going to /bant/? Nobody will miss you. Seriously.

...

Says the NEETs please stfu you fags and get a job first.

Go ahead and post that the Catholic Magisterium is not necessary for the proper understanding of the holy scriptures.

Go ahead and post that, papist.

>What do you think about Jordan Peterson?
Jew

Pathetic. Nothing but ad hominems. Good luck.

He is a prophet