Prove you aren't a Capitalist cocksucker shill and give at least one problem with capitalism. I'll start:

Prove you aren't a Capitalist cocksucker shill and give at least one problem with capitalism. I'll start:

>Capitalism doesn't reward hard work, on the contrary, it rewards the capitalist class, the people who exploit the labor of the workers

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Capitalism makes it too hard to get sick digits.

>The free market awards digits to those who deserve them :^)

how does a capitalist exploit workers voluntarily working for him?
furthermore, how is taxation by a state not exploitation?

What is your solution?
Communism has never worked!!

I bet the guys and gals working at McDonald's work hard, do you believe they should earn the same as a heart surgeon?

capitalism is not a being and it is not "fair" or always "good".

capitalism is not only like owning the keys to something, that's literally what it is. When does it suck? When you do not own the keys.

What do you do for a living?

>how does a capitalist exploit workers voluntarily working for him?
The workers produce products for the capitalist. The capitalist sells the profit and gives a wage that is lower than what the product sold for.

>furthermore, how is taxation by a state not exploitation?
Taxation allows the state to build roads, provide services, and defend the citizens. A state is needed in capitalism.

Good way of putting it. Also, ownership of the keys is arbitrary under capitalism.

It gives way to corporatism without the right checks and balances
but communism still sucks horsecock

It doesn't matter what I do. What matters is that opportunities for workers are diminishing. Cost of living and housing prices are increasing. Most college grads are thousands of dollars in debt. How can you defend this? These capitalists have similar reactions that the French monarchs had, that's too bad, "let them eat cake." Meanwhile the quality of life is deteriorating while Porky makes off with the spoils. Capitalists need to come up with something quick to fix the system.

>without the right checks and balances
What might some of these checks and balances be user?

>It doesn't matter what I do

It does. If you're unskilled, you don't deserve shit. Just die mate.

Automation is replacing a lot of these jobs anyway. It seems many people will die off like you say, without any jobs to support themselves.

OP is a weakling that cannot compete in the free market.

>wants a CEO salary for scrubbing a toilet.

Have you considered the related pic?

I own a machine shop with 44 employees. I love them to death, but they are retarded. None of them can make sound long term decisions about money or strategy that is required to run a moderately successful multimillion dollar business. When I give out end of the year bonuses, what do you think they do wih that money? Pay off their car loans? No they go out and buy a motorcycle or binge on drugs for a week. Even my top salesmen or managers couldn't run this business. People are not created equally and most are not very smart. But even of the highly intelligent writers or mathematicians, most of them could not run a business. Communists inherently do not grasp why this is so vital for an economy and how well capitalism seizes hold of it for society's benefit.

>The workers produce products for the capitalist. The capitalist sells the profit and gives a wage that is lower than what the product sold for.
Did these workers build the means of production?

Capitalism isn't perfect but it's a damn sight better than Communism. Period.

>exploitation isn't hard work

Top kek, you're just mad that you're too stupid to exploit anyone

>hurr durr automation replaced all these jobs
>what do u mean automation will result in the need for more engineers and programmers and operators
>what do u mean now that we've automated somethings we don't have enough programmers now???

typical shitty factory jobs have been replaced with operators, maintenance workers, and a thousand IT/programming positions

the IT field desperately needs a lot of people, hence why we're constantly importing pajeets and outsourcing shit

>Automation is replacing a lot of these jobs anyway

Find a job that won't get automated, learn a skill that an employer needs.

I'm a big supporter of automation

>work at a lobbying firm pushing disruptive technologies
>automation fucks over nigger tier people and weaklings that cannot compete
>walked into subway today during lunch rush, you can self order at the side, rendering workers useless
>workers were all Hispanic (in So Cal), its been made clear to me that whites are the enemy of society
>keep pushing disruptive tech and automation, fuck over people that hate whites.

You call your managers and lawyers and salesmen dumb?

Truth

Running a business is fucking difficult, commies call this exploitation which is hilarious, they have no idea how hard it is

>, without any jobs to support themselves.
There is unlimited demand for labor
It is just (((they))) wont allow deflation to happen

So much food that the poor's biggest health risk is obesity.

All of the parts of modern society which fucked over my life can be traced back to modern capitalism in one way or another. Having to move away from your hometown and everyone you know in order to get a good job leads to social isolation. Widespread access to pornography (it wouldn't be good business to leave an opportunity to make money unexploited, goy) leads young men to become desensitized to sexual deviance to the point where they can't get aroused without indulging in niche fetishes which most women find creepy. Getting women into the workplace has created a world where you need two incomes to support a family and even then money will always be a big problem. Restaurants and food companies make their food as tasty as possible at the cost of making it unhealthy, and then society goes on to indulge fat acceptance retards when this causes problems for society. I'm not going to pretend that my own weakness to temptation played no role, but we also don't need (((businessmen))) looking to make a buck by catering to people's weaknesses.

Before you needed 8 farmers to feed 10 people. Now you only need 2. There is a dire job shortage because there are so many people yet not enough jobs. Everyone could have a job, work less hours, and be at the same position.

This change has only happened since women have entered the workplace. They tend to compete far less for the top jobs, but compete massively for lower end jobs. As a result, they've devalued the labour of the poorest the most and the richest the least.

Very good points user. About moving to find jobs, this is the new dynamic under post-Fordism and comes itself with a whole host of problems.

Lol see pic

>There is a dire job shortage because there are so many people yet not enough jobs

Most western nations are at full employment you dolt.

It allows socialists to exists.

>give at least one problem with capitalism.
Communists scalps are not considered acceptable currency.

>Before you needed 8 farmers to feed 10 people. Now you only need 2

because now you need

>2 farmers
>1 mechanics
>1 programmer
>2 truck drivers
>1 unloader
>a bunch more guys to ship package, ship, and ensure produce makes it to different countries/areas in your country

>Before you needed 8 farmers to feed 10 people. Now you only need 2.
And?
When this happened people just did other things

the way capitalism works today, it's very common to be on the "capitalist" end of an exchange at some point, regardless of how much wealth you come from. Alot of the terminology communists use that were relevant in the 1940's don't really apply anymore.

Capitalism tends to push towards planned obsolescence, which creates enormous amounts of environmental waste and expedites the scarcity of resources. Of course the capitalist response would be, the market will correct with sustainable business models when the consumer demands them (which is starting to occur more frequently now); however, and enormous amount of damage has already been done both environmentally, physiologically (lots of health issues in third world countries dealing with waste), and psycologically (gonna be a difficult transition from unbridled consumerism toward sustainable consumerism).

That's the point you dolt, we don't need full employment. Capitalism does however because people need wages to survive. Everyone is rushing to work 40 hour weeks to get enough money to survive. However there isn't enough to go around. Then you end up with things like underemployment and bullshit busy work tier jobs like how teachers would give you to keep you occupied.

Oh look, that flag that doesn't understand what capitalism is again.

>Everyone is rushing to work 40 hour weeks to get enough money to survive
This is because (((they))) wont allow prices to come down so they can keep giving out shitty loans

>"MUH 1%"
Maybe stop buying the products they make then, faggot?

Takes more hard work to be a CEO than a low lever worker.
Also involves a lot more risk and pressure.
Also fuck you, if you own the business you're entitled to its profits in full, minus costs of production

>China
>Wipe out poverty
t. CCTV / Global times / Xinhua writer
I'm sure of it

communists must be ridiculed and removed from this board.

No you really couldn't. This will come as a surprise to someone like you (who has only ever done menial labor work, assuming you work at all) but not everything can be broken down into smaller, simpler pieces that can be spread among a group. The stuff that can will be automated, the other stuff literally requires a single human being thinking about it for 40 hours a week.

Amazing what capitalism can accomplish in just a few years.

>Capitalism: means of production owned by capitalists
There

Except one job creates wealth, the other doesn't.

>you're entitled to its profits in full, minus costs of production
And minus 30%.

you have to understand one thing

right wing retards, conservashits, mentally ill americans, whatever u want to call them, they are the biggest billionaire globalist cock holsters on the planet

The wealthy elites command, and these retards obey.

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One job creates jobs, which create wealth, pleb

President Trump and the Republican Congress are reportedly working on tax reform. This is almost certainly code for "huge tax cuts for rich people — especially ones like Donald Trump." But they'll probably try to sell the cuts as unleashing turbocharged growth.

But Republicans will run into two big problems. The first is that Trump's tax cuts will probably be so preposterously tilted towards the rich that this argument won't carry much weight. Second, and perhaps more importantly, the case that additional tax cuts will do anything positive for the economy — especially cuts for investment and corporations — is extremely weak. In fact, there is a strong circumstantial case that we should try the opposite: increased taxes.

The basic assumption of tax reform is wrong
theweek.com/articles/717044/basic-assumption-tax-reform-wrong

Enjoy having your millionaires go live in a tax haven, causing your tax revenue to collapse

billionaire globalist cock holster pls go

honestly u paid shills are so fucking obvious

CEO isn't the same as business owner, silly.

CEO's also don't get a big share of the profits, shareholders do.
CEO's are just employees, usually very well payed employees, but still wagecucks.

It's more like a lottery.. I still fail to understand why criticism of capitalism implies communism is superior. Crony capitalism is shit, regulatory capture, ignored externalities, fiat and currency manipulation, all fair criticisms. Communism is just retarded though. Why should a chimney sweeper make as much as a doctor? Personal incentive is important for motivation. Fear is a shit motivator.

how much do the billionaires pay u to suck their cock all day?

How do we break through to these spooked Sup Forumsyps?

>One job creates jobs, which create wealth, pleb
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YES

>Gross numbers and not per-capita
The day of the rake is coming

What lol? I'm fairly certain you just defined communism with your green text. Capitalism 100% rewards hard work

it doesn't. the only issue here is that nobody seems to have any sort of well-developed realistic alternative systems which aren't capitalism or communism.

>That image
Funny considering communism has its own 1%: political elite.
I seem to recall Mao eating drunken pork belly every day and fucking harems of 14 year olds while the country starved

What's funny is that I'm poor as shit, but technically I am a capitalist I am a capitalist because I have stocks, and thus am exploiting the "workers" (despite also being a worker myself).

waaaa why cant i afford an x box? i blame capitalism while i use my $300 vape

you can't. they are completely owned and operated by their billionaire globalist overlords. right wingers have been programmed since birth to be billionaire globalist cock holsters. you can't break thru to them. the programming is too strong.

all u can do is make fun of them

conservashits told me the free market knows best

then the free market shipped their jobs overseas

these bootlickers deserve to be mocked

This is a result of faulty neolib economics using things such as debt leveraged healthcare in the form of the ACA and social security, both of which defualt in 20 years.

The latest democratic party reforms would also increase the gdp per capita difference, increase wealth difference across races, increase poverty, crime and starvation, all of which they try to have you ignore by talking about retarded trump tweets.

Why are the poor voting democrat again?

If it's impossible to "deprogram" us then why are you here?
Go to your echo chamber of stupidity on cripplechan

I'm not a communist dumb shit. Read the article.

The basic assumption of tax reform is wrong
theweek.com/articles/717044/basic-assumption-tax-reform-wrong

Here's the archive
archive.is/WErLd

Capitalism doesn't favor stupid people

Well then I pose the question to the guy with the communist flag.

keep on sucking that billionaire globalist cock u filthy filthy shill

>Crony Capitalism is the same as Free Market capitalism

I believe we live in a corporate capitalist society.

Communist have freedom in capitalism,

>It wasn't my specific, perfect, entirely infallible brand of capitalism
Lol

USSR had income inequality of 4 to 1, compared to the West where that ratio is 10,000 to 1 and higher

>Prove you aren't a cocksucker
>go suck cock

How is it communism if there's any inequality at all?
And how is 4 to 1 inequality better than 1 to 10,000 inequality when you're producing 10,000x less?

>revolutionary thread

Really, who the actual fuck unironically thinks the USSR was a great place to live?!

Consumerism gets annoying, and in its excess negatively affects mass culture, spreading bullshit in its wake.

It is a reason Cultural Marxism spread.

It's about eliminating the absurd inequality of the capitalist class. Of course work with less demand and more skill will be compensated better at least during early transitional socialism. Once material abundance is achieved there wouldn't be any need anyway.

>And how is 4 to 1 inequality better than 1 to 10,000 inequality when you're producing 10,000x less?
Soviets were producing enough to have a superpower nation.

Share of income doesn't mean shit it's not a zero sum game
I always come into these threads hopeful I'll learn something. I never do

>Really, who the actual fuck unironically thinks the USSR was a great place to live?!
The people who actually lived in it

The on-paper benefits of capitalism assume an infinite amount of competition and perfectly rational consumers. Since neither of these things will ever be true, free market capitalism will always require outside intervention in the form of government regulation which would tend to eliminate any of its alleged efficiencies.

It's still the best thing we've got so far.

A purely unregulated and capitalistic society would eventually get unstable enough that the people in it would willingly choose to put limits and regulations in place.

Enough what? Mustache oil for their great leader?
I seem to recall the USSR was an extremely shit place to live

>Capitalism doesn't reward hard work

yah, you fucking dingus. it rewards the efficient use of resources to create benefits for others. ever heard 'work smart, not hard'? probably not, because people like you usually never have worked a day in their life.

>Soviets were producing enough to have a superpower nation.
And then...they weren't.

Wow! You regurgitate that well, its fucking meaningless drivel but let's see how retarded you can go..

Explain
>means of production

>capitalists

Then actually go look up the word 'Capitalism' in a dictionary, and stop being a fucking retard.

>Means of production:anything used to produce other products (machinery, factory equipment, factories, tools)

>Capitalists:people who employ workers to use their private property to produce products for the capitalists

Common user this is all basic stuff. Read up more about Marxism at least, go to communism general Nope lol, see
Labor creates wealth dumbass. However the capitalist class is rewarded the most.

>How is it communism if there's any inequality at all?

Communism just means the workers own the means of production.

Could be different factories have different owners.
So workers who work at and thus own more profitable factories would earn more money.

In a way communism could lead to higher differences in wages, because under capitalism all workers tend to earn similar minimum wages regardless of performance.

So the worker who has access to robots gets paid more than the worker who just has hand tools despite there being no difference in ability?
And I guess the local political elite gets to choose who gets the robots; that way they can ensure their friends get the best jobs.

>using this meme image
>communism magically has automation that capitalism doesnt for some reason
really makes me think

>Labor creates wealth dumbass.

no. that's correlation, but not causation. you remember how every time you try expressing your outdated ideas of the labor theory of value, someone tells you about digging holes? that.

the free market can only correct with the ability it has. When severe damage has been done, it's often "uneconomic" to fix this. Many problems stay there without a solution because too complicated, requires too many hours, "not feasible".

If you put faith into the free market always being able to rescvue you, you will probably be disappointed. If you crashed in a poorly built car you would also be crippled - and nobody could help you then. It's too late at that point. But the free market will only react once it's too late.

Automation would displace too many workers under capitalism. Under communism, automation would be used to enrich mankind and would be used to its fullest potential.

Thats a moral choice though, that companies use to increase the chance that locals will buy their cars. Capitalism could fully automate, and itd just create unemployment because we dont have infinite resources in our land.

No it's a direct observable causation. Construction workers construct a house, that is a direct increase in wealth. A capitalist shuffling money around and playing in the stock market is not creating wealth. He's making money sure, but not contributing to the wealth of a society like labor does.

oh and by the way, the 'capitalist' is rewarded the most, because he bought the labor from the labourer. if the latter wants more, he has to demand more, and if doesn't get it, the service he's selling might not be worth as much.

The workers just spontaneously got together and decided to build a house out of the kindness of their hearts? That's a pretty impressive ideology you have there.

>capitalism doesnt work

I think you mean government interference doesn't work

>capitalism hurts the masses
I think you mean government interference hurts the masses