Let's be real here: China knows it cannot win this war. We know they aren't dumb or insane, so that's the only conclusion they could come to.
>Why? USA mainland requires either flying or sailing to reach it (that goes for both troops and any ordinances). And the US has the largest and most advanced navy and air force in the whole world. This instantly puts China in the disastrous position of needing to fight the war on the ground in their own lands while the enemy dominates your seas and your skies. They can't even reach America's closest ally in the region (Japan) as that would also require evading or defeating the US fleet or air force. China's industry also dies a rapid death due to the strangulation caused by the blockades, which could force China to do something drastic.
A land invasion of China could be accomplished but that is not a smart decision, therefore the war in China will consist entirely of bombing raids both deep into China and on their ports and industries lining the coast. China will likely keep filling their factories with children so that the dead and mangled bodies can be shown to the America people, so the US would be clever to bomb near a factory first (to get it evacuated or at least make the children run in terror) before bombing the factory proper.
The land fight in North Korea will be the roughest part. China will be able to fight on the ground there and, despite the incredible advantage the Americans have with air and sea superiority, they will put up a hell of a fight.
What do you think will happen, lads? I personally believe that the Chinese will ship north via trucks in order to safely ship out materials from Russia, which would put both Russia and the US in awkward and potentially hostile positions.
russia joining means that the EU or at least Britain will also join. not gonna happen.
Michael Jenkins
>Xinjiang New Central Asian state >Tibet New Central Asian state, Dalai Lama head of state >Inner Mongolia Integrated with Mongolia >Guangxi Integrated with Vietnam >Hong Kong, Shanghai, Macau Independent city states
Juan Parker
I could see Tibet and Taiwan becoming free states if China goes all-out in the war. If they join in name only, then maybe only Taiwan will be freed.
Liam Barnes
US land invasion will start from Afghanistan into Xinjiang, meanwhile a simultaneous invasion will spread into Tibet through India. I was stating what the result would be once the war ends. The remaining China would be ruled by Taiwan.
Austin Parker
Guanxi has 50 million people. Why would it integrate with Vietnam?
Juan Anderson
Separate state then
Elijah Smith
Russia and India will side with US Why? GIB CLAY
Sebastian Johnson
I'm chinese living in America, will you guys let me live?
Joshua Baker
Russia won't join. Too much to lose, too little to gain.
Benjamin Stewart
China will break it's treaty with NK if war happens.
Justin Ramirez
Correction: China & North Korea VS the United States, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, India, and maybe some other NATO members.
China would be retarded to defend North Korea, especially since Russia has stated they want no part of this.
Benjamin Allen
>Gain: Eastern Europe. >Lose: Literally how? >Difficulty: European skeleton army that has gone through numerous cuts in the snow while Britain manoeuvres the boats.
Christian Phillips
We're fucked
Brody Wilson
Maybe I miss some memos, but it wasn't China who started to deatch from NK because of the Kim Jongo Un exponential autism?
Alexander Hughes
detach *
Joseph Wilson
Why do you believe China will support NK and opt for a war that you admit they can't win? If they know they can't win it, as you say, why the fuck would they fight?
China has nukes pointed at them from almost every conceivable direction. Nobody wants it to become a battlefield. Not the Chinese, not the Indians, not Pakistan, and definitely not Russia. If they cooperate with the US, they'll probably get a partial annexation of North Korea and a shitload of international goodwill.
China would never enter into a war with the US on the part of North Korea. The buffer is important but it isn't that fucking important. The entire premise of this thread is retarded.
Juan Allen
This.
Honestly Trump should be pressuring Xi to clean up this mess. Its china's goddamn problem not ours
Ian Watson
Yeah gook, you're safe. No one wants a war with China, it's Fatboy we want. If China could just keep from getting into a dick measuring contest we will be fine. China could end this in a few hours if they just take Kim out of the picture.
Henry Jones
I don't see why China just doesn't do the easy thing and invade NK and make it part of China. All the U.S. wants is them to stop acting like a bunch of aggressive niggers.
Joshua Clark
China will rape the USA 6 days a week and twice on Sunday in a war on the Korean peninsular. They forced a draw in Korea and won in Vietnam even when they had shitty mass produced commie guns nevermind with the relatively modern equipment they have today. >But SK and Japan. SK's army is inferior even to the NK army and their capital is right next to the border with half their population while Japan has a glorified self defence force that isn't suitable for holding ground. The entire war will be USA holding the ocean and a few cities on the southern tip of Korea while supplying those bases from Japan.
Christopher Lopez
You're retarded if you think China will go to war over its autistic little brother
Cooper Sullivan
>China will rape the USA 6 days a week and twice on Sunday in a war on the Korean peninsular And in the process, it would entirely destroy its service economy which entirely depends on our consumerism. This isn't 1950 or 1966. The nature of China has changed completely and they have become more interested in economics than ideology or territorial control. Your pretend war with China simply isn't going to happen. Even if they did, for some fucking reason, enter into a self-destructive war with the US and its allies, they'd entirely lose any Russian support which would, again, hamstring their economy and set another potential enemy on their doorstep.
China would stand to lose: all international goodwill its relationship with Russia its massive export economy its confidence in its relationship with bordering nations
And for what do you think they'll run this risk? For a tiny fucking buffer zone against the influence of South Korea? By backing the US or even just remaining completely neutral, they'd have everything to gain internationally.
Lincoln Howard
>its confidence in its relationship with bordering nations No Chinese bordering nation has any confidence in China. They detest Chinese expansionism.
Aiden Ramirez
I meant China's confidence in the fact that they won't be instantaneously invaded by the allies of the US, which in this bong's hypothetical scenario, they would be engaged in a potential world-ending war with.
Brody Reyes
They did once. Its about maintaing control in the region and keeping a US puppet off of their border.
Gabriel Price
I don't have a problem with gooks who came here, they are obviously smarter than the ones who stayed
Nathaniel Thompson
If USA first strikes they will. War isn't a great cost when you aren't fighting across the pacific. They wont be landing invasions in the USA but you can kiss SK goodbye. Of course if you half-ass it like Iraq or late war Vietnam then you might be kissing Japan goodbye as well. The chinks are itching for a reason to kill a few million Japs in revenge for WW2. Fortunately the USA will at least keep the seas monitored in 98% of non-retarded cases. You're retarded if you believe that China wont defend a neighbour which is easily reachable by train. If they reunite Korea under NK rule then China's influence in the region would undergo an evolution. By having NK, Mongolia and Vietnam under Chinese influence there will be no one left in the region that can oppose Chinese ideals. A commie union of some sort would pass practically unopposed. With the Korean issue settled then China can focus its sights on the South China sea region as well as reacquiring Laos and Cambodia for Vietnam with little that the USA can do about it as cordial ties will have been cut. China doesn't want to cut ties with the USA but it wont hesitate to do so when the rewards and the justification are great enough.
Bentley Diaz
>If they reunite Korea under NK rule then China's influence in the region would undergo an evolution So, they'd gain a very small amount of territory while risking WW3, turning a ton of the world against them, losing their largest economic partner, and making two countries with a lot of nukes incredibly nervous on their western border (Pakistan and India), not to mention what Russia might say about all of this.
You're fantasizing and it's pathetic.
Andrew Brooks
>Let's be real here: China knows it cannot win this war. the US likely doesn't know much about China's full military capabilities, and everything you are told by the MSM concerning international war bell ringing is a lie.
Jack Perry
In a USA first strike scenario it's the USA that is risking the world against them. Socialist international wont take 5 minutes to declare Trump the new Hitler and call together an international coalition to put the democrats in charge.
Christopher Bell
Not to mention they fought us to a draw before their more recent build up and modernization
Daniel Rogers
>In a USA first strike scenario it's the USA that is risking the world against them Yes, because North Korea enjoys so much international support. They make the entire world nervous. The US might make the world nervous as well, but it's at least learned to live with us. Our power is already established, whereas ignoring North Korea just increases how dangerous they are.
Evan Williams
North Korea is a regional threat. For Western powers it's literally nothing which is why it hasn't been bombed to shit like Serbia. If South Korea is removed then the only reason to continue being concerned is Japan and Taiwan. As long as the three bigs, UK, France and Russia don't intervene then every other country in the world could pile on and it wouldn't be much more effective than the USA fighting alone.
Sebastian Lopez
>North Korea is a regional threat Quite a large region. You're silly if you believe anyone in the world is treating NK like a regional threat. Again, stop fantasizing.
Luke Adams
You're the one fantasizing if you believe the international community cares about North Korea more than Iraq or Syria.
Austin Young
Honestly I'm excited to see what cool new weapons we would use in a war with China or the Norks. We've spent billions in R&D in past decade, and you know someone in there has to be a fallout fan so wth a little luck we'll get some power armor.
Jack Clark
>mfw not in range
Sebastian Mitchell
>Gain: Eastern Europe. How the hell is Eastern Europe involved in any of this? The US isn't going to suddenly give it to them for nothing, it would be nuclear war. >Lose: Literally how? By getting all of their major cities and industry glassed? >Difficulty: European skeleton army that has gone through numerous cuts in the snow while Britain manoeuvres the boats. It's the twenty first century, grandpa. Armies and Navies don't mean shit when you've got thousands of nuclear equipped ICBMs ready to evaporate millions of people in a matter of seconds. Putin isn't retarded enough to send Russia back to the dark ages for a chunk of Ukraine or the baltics. Stop getting yourself excited.
Daniel Ramirez
>Nuclear war over North Korea. Just lol. Even if NK glasses Seoul it's going to take more to convince Russia and the USA to start arming their nukes.
Mason White
>How the hell is Eastern Europe involved in any of this
they are nato puppets
>The US isn't going to suddenly give it to them for nothing
we are not asking US, we will take it
>By getting all of their major cities and industry glassed
our anti-missile system is based af
Lincoln Nelson
>reading comprehension
James Collins
>they are nato puppets Yeah, no shit. I'm asking what that has to do with the NK situation. Spoiler: nothing.
>we are not asking US, we will take it Good luck
>our anti-missile system is based af Again, good luck. You won't be missed.
Christopher Jackson
I typed a long reply but hit refresh :(
Briefly:
Good thread, intelligent convo
Good point about emo manipulation- has US ever anticipated and planned around that before?
China threats are meaningless, they do it everyday with India.
BUT IF war breaks out- Russia won't take sides openly. But will try to prolong for attrition.
Taiwan will declare indepdece
India will take its territory back.
The only reason India doesn't fuck pakistan is because China has their back. So India and Pak get in.
I understand that you are only 13 but nuclear war isn't something which is likely to happen any time soon.
Isaiah Stewart
I never said there would be nuclear war over NK. Learn to read, you fucking idiot.
Elijah Butler
>Taiwan will declare indepdece
Thomas Cruz
Come on Russbro, you of all people should know what I'm talking about.
Go read a little maybe?
Also, to the greek faggot who's going to inveitably mock me for the same- go read up a little
Caleb Parker
In the event that war does not break out and the Norks keep doing what they always have been doing, is there any way or scenario where Trump can come out of this not looking weak?
Dominic Martin
>The US isn't going to suddenly give it to them for nothing, it would be nuclear war. The whole thread is about NK faggot. If you want a magical Russia vs USA war then make another thread.
Owen Brown
He was literally replying to you, dipshit. You said Russia would gain Eastern Europe, as if the world would just lay down and let them annex a gigantic territory. How fucking dumb are you?
Mason Jackson
>usa superior blah blah crap
you don't understand 1 thing - you have a president and ruling party that is not favorite among almost the half of your citizens
once war starts, usa could be destroyed in partisan battles inside with at such low price
> all those lefties and sjws, all these city dwelling idiots indoctrinated or partially indoctrinated with marxism because muh diversity just waiting for instruction
you can say thanks to bill and hills
if war escalates expect it at your doorsteps from your fellow Americans
P.S. oh look helicopter ride as captcha, nice one ;)
Dominic Miller
>US land invasion will start from Afghanistan into Xinjiang, meanwhile a simultaneous invasion will spread into Tibet through India.
t. no concept of logistics
Nathaniel Allen
You mentioned Russia invading Europe for no reason. I said that would lead to nuclear war and that it has nothing to do with North Korea.
I know you're being disingenuous to cover your own ass but you already look like a massive retard so you might as well own up to it.
Jose Lee
A beach landing is the best
Charles Wright
Eastern Europe would be aligned with one side or another. If the Europe gets assblasted while the UK and the USA are playing boats in China then naturally there are going to be territorial gains exactly like after WW2. Or do you believe that continental Europe has an army? Or that the UK wont simply watch as continental Europe falls?
Henry Rogers
invasion of nk is bound to happen one day , one cant let it grow more stronger now when it has ICMB and nukes.the sooner the better
if china joins openly taiwan/tibet will see freedom, plus more democracy and porn in china also its fianancial gain will dump , USA want china to join so that it can be fucked up chinese and NK toys dont hold up to USA might eagar to crush before something become stronger to crush
china WILL support its buffer state at least through proxy , but a full USA invasion cant be prevented plus china loves dicatatorship and trade dont want to loose it over a dictator might
korea will be fucked , koreans wwill soon taste democracy and internet
Anthony Lee
>USA mainland requires either flying or sailing to reach it don't underestimate Best Korea >bomb near factories Smart move, better than intelligent bombs (who the fuck writes such a shit, and who approves it) >The land fight in North Korea Russias Tanks with USA air support . Get your shit together with Russia, get out of Syria, and let the EU pay for the oil, stop pandering to the Sauds, just wait and let them eat themselves. on a side note, strengthen the ASEAN and break with Pakistan and side with India. With Russia, one could crush Islamo fascism and the chines militarily as economically. If the cabal will is one world, axe the UN and bi a half polar world, with Europe as queen bitch
Joshua Ward
The premise was Russia coming to the aid of China against an international coalition. At least read the post I responded to before shitposting.
Adrian Perez
>once war starts, usa could be destroyed in partisan battles inside with at such low price What do you think the US is, Venezuela? It's not like we have an overly militarized police presence in every town, large and small, all over the country. You act like there would suddenly be anarchy in the streets or a coup or something. You're hiding your flag but there's no way you actually live in American and are this retarded.
Brandon Ramirez
radiation will spread and we dont want to loose hot american beauty .
Colton Anderson
> we have an overly militarized police presence in every town
that only fuels the fire my bro, you already know how the lefties look at this;
Carson Richardson
>forced a draw in Korea Nope. The US was like 50 miles from the Chinese border and then Truman remove MacArthur from command and ordered a withdrawal to the DMZ because conquering Best Korea was explicitly against the UN mandate. Fag.
Adrian Collins
war with china will also reduce world population
Anthony Martinez
This whole thread has nothing to do with Eastern Europe, you braindead faggot. You're the only one who brought it up and now you're backpedaling because you look like an imbecile.
Jackson Clark
China is trying to build a solid reputation of inclusive congruity on a global scale. There is nowhere a way they would sacrifice ANY of that for some fat kid in a shit tier nation with a population less than 100 million. If China were to make ANY move on this, they'd be falling right into a trap that the jews likely set up to cause further conflict in the region. /THREAD
Leo Phillips
>What is NATO.
Samuel Green
China wants to wage a war confined to Korea just like last time. They're betting that if the US wasn't willing to expand the war to China back in the 50s when only the US had nukes, why would they be willing to now? It's a reasonable line of thought.
They have exactly the same motivation to support Kim that they did back then.
Parker Taylor
Pussies and a roach
Jonathan Powell
>/thread You don't /thread yourself, faggot.
Tyler Ross
The war will go nuclear before 99% of what you think will happen happens. China won't dare hit American territory and America won't dare hit Chinese territory. All the fighting will be over international waters and the Korean peninsula nowhere else or the war goes nuclear.
Carter Watson
An organization that's wholly uninvolved in the NK situation aside from the US?
Jace Gomez
Do you know how political protests that border on riots have gone in the past 10 years? A few black people stand shoulder to shoulder in a road until the police yell at them to disperse, or just divert traffic and ignore them for an hour until they go away. People don't have the attention spans for that sort of shit here anymore, not when they can just put their noses back into their phones and ignore life around them.
Brody Flores
Horseshit. This is the new china we're talking about. China is working to build a good reputation here. This is also a new USA we're talking about here.the USA is attempting to re-establish its position in the world. This, plus keep in mind the jews are trying to find a way into China, if china wages any kind of war, the jews will get their chance.
Colton Carter
>USA calls up UK and friends in NATO for a coalition invasion. >NK calls up China and China calls up Russia. >There is now a front between Russia and continental European NATO.
Benjamin Clark
> China won't dare hit American territory and America won't dare hit Chinese territory. All the fighting will be over international waters and the Korean peninsula nowhere else or the war goes nuclear. China wants to avoid fighting at all cost. The Indians are on their flank and both nations are in dispute right now. Russia can't back China up because they lack funding and are under sanction. China also can't lose ANY money because they've manipulated their currency to the state of hyperfragility. Everyone who isn't NK and US are larping and NK is at the mercy of the US and their dipshit leader right now.
David Martinez
A few things changed since then though: 1) Nuclear armed NK 2) China has become more than a thorn 3) A maverick president America would hold China responsible if NK uses nukes at any capacity.
Kayden Adams
Something completely unrelated to this situation?
Joshua Foster
Thats not /threading myself faggot. I was responding to OP' post. Lurk more you raging cock addict
Luke Bennett
why should Russia get involved on Chinas side? Why should Russia get involved in any way, except if someone promises them parts of NK
Camden Robinson
Why would Russia take parts of NK? It's literally nothing compared to their current territory
Jaxson Jones
It would allow russia to park assets closer to Sokorea and japan. Strengthening its ties with china
Adam Richardson
Guys don't bomb us we are white pls
Justin Bailey
>shit that will never happen and makes no sense at all Wew.
Yeah, I'm sure the USA and Russia are just itching to fight a continental proxy war in Eastern Europe over NK. Take your own advice and fuck off with your little fantasy.
Luke Gutierrez
China doesn't believing in soft power. It believes in hard power. Hence the economic sanctions on Korea as revenge for THAAD, kidnapping Hong Kong booksellers, harvesting political enemies for their organs etc.
China believes that power alone garners respect and to an extent it's hard to argue with them. They are just as sinister and vicious as ever, just now they have money so people organizations corporations and governments suck their dicks
Michael Martin
Forest Industry
Nathaniel Ramirez
Post white women from your nation. Make sure we can see their nipples. They had better be pink
Xavier Martinez
Russia doesn't have any territorial disputes with China, AFAIK
Blake Ortiz
ley ho
Owen Cox
and this, not to forget the pipeline project with Japan
Jack Stewart
We are suffering from lack of forests
Henry King
China moves in to occupy part of NK in order to stop NATO having a direct border with them.
If Trump has sense on the issue he coordinates with them.
America has never stopped or even slowed growing its military since then. While every other nation (including China) chilled out and wanted to save money, they kept building and inventing and innovating. Their aircraft carriers could singlehandedly force a Chinese surrender.
Jacob Howard
>kidnapping Hong Kong booksellers, harvesting political enemies for their organs etc. None of that tinfoil hat shit is proven. >China believes that power alone garners respect and to an extent it's hard to argue with them. They are just as sinister and vicious as ever, just now they have money so people organizations corporations and governments suck their dicks China has no problem asserting its power over non american nations. What china, along with Russia and Iran want, is to prove the USA to be an agressor and bully. This would justify any actions toward the US. the game changed when the world started suggesting the USA was too powerful and was becoming abusive
Nathan Taylor
China has ONE ally.
Russia has many.
China can not count on Russia, and their only ally is NK. China is TERRIFIED that south Korea will unite, because historically China can't even defeat Korea.
China can not defeat ANYONE. The only thing chinese people are good at doing is dying in the millions.
Note that when I say "china" I am referring to the rulers and those who follow them, so the communists, and the collectivists. China is the weakest country in the world, and will most likely pretend it wants war, and will give north korea MASSIVE amounts of aid and soldiers and make it seem as if they have a giant underground city, but in actual fact the whole time the communists are getting in private planes and leaving to switzerland.
The country will be without leaders, and china will be taken over by someone else, and there will be another bloody revolution.
Leo Hernandez
Why do you keep posting this bullshit?
Isaiah Parker
and thats where you wrong, if america goes alone in to war china and NK can win.
America is cuckt because of the big mouth.
He said fier and flames now he has to go thru with it or there will be no respect for america and thats how WW3 will start.
So what will it be? First trike and WW3 maybe should in flames or Americas down fall?