What if we just tried being nice?

Mounting sanctions and starving out the populace that the government obviously does not care about is not going to change any of the habits of North Korean leaders. Threatening violence with even more violence only has one foreseeable outcome. It is obvious that whatever we are trying in this situation is not working and only making things worse. Is it beyond our leaders capabilities to try something other than being stubborn insecure children? On the radio today it was mentioned that NK wanted Canada to send an ambassador for some negotiations and on our side we didn't even bat an eye before dismissing the idea.

I'm not really trying to be a fucking leaf but someone throw out some criticisms and some reasons why this idea (removing sanctions, helping out the populace by sending seeds, ect or whatever) wouldn't work. As for the NK it seems that they have a significant amount anti-imperialist-american propaganda (we have the same on our side too but vice-versa), but it seems that would fall apart (if the general NK populace even believed it in the first place) if we are helping them by sending rations, supplies and helping restore infrastructure?

The way it seems now is that we have declared war on the North Korean people and not the North Korean government. The whole Love>Hate thing seems super gay I know, but unless anything changes there will only be one outcome to this situation and many innocent people will die.

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I've wondered about this too. Why not lift sanctions and trade with them? Integrate them into the world economy. Their economy will have to open up and their society will too. Maybe the world needs bogeymen.

The Kim Dynasty has time after time said they're not gonna give up their nuclear weapons.

Any treaties we sign with them are moot regardless. They have already broken several treaties regarding the disassembly of their nuclear weapons program.

If we attempt to negotiate with them again we might as well hand them the Sudetenland.

Not going to happen. US government uses North Korea to show strength to the world and also whip up their population into a frenzy of fear and jingoism so they don't worry about what the US is doing elsewhere

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So let them have their nuclear weapons. It's super hypocritical to tell them that they cannot have them when everybody else does. It makes no sense to nuke somebody if they are being friendly and helping you.

Fuck Communism.

Fuck Juche.

Level NK to the ground, honestly.

The exact opposite.

Yeah you would normally be right, but the fucking media and leftists are losing their minds about this. There's no jingoism being created from this.

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Actually they started their nuke program without IAEA approval but went and got approval from the IAEA after the UN shit it's pants and that's when the US went full retard with North Korea sanctions and the Norks kicked out IAEA inspectors after that happened.

Would it be impossible for them to remain communist if they began to the be integrated into the world economy? I'm no expert in any of these dealings so I don't know what the Russian economy was like during their communist bout.

The left are just being opportunistic contrarians about this.

Diplomacy works in small steps, and requires for both sides to get something they yearn for.

Which is what these nuclear deals are all about. The first step towards your fantasy goal would be that the United States had their number one goal achieved, which is for North Korea to shut down their nuclear weapons program. In return, they'd lift sanctions. Then another step, and another, and another.

The reason we're at a deadlock is because the number one diplomatic step is impossible to achieve. And the US will never fucking ever allow for North Korea to prosper, while simultaneously continuing their nuclear weapons program.

You guys are forgetting that the NWO is still very real. We can't have extremely isolationist nations like NK. NWO can't work like that.

There is no hate towards the North Korean people. Our hatred is directed at Kim and his communist regime. If there was a way to get rid of him peacefully and with no casualties, that'd be great. Unfortunately, it's impossible.

No, Kim needs to keeps his nuclear weapons or else USA will invade his country and he needs to threaten them because he can't let the huge drills in south korea without a response.

End with the American menace Kimmy

LEAF

Shut up nigger I want rivers of nork blood

Then we're stuck in an endless cycle. Therefore the only seemingly way past this would be to simultaneously allow them to continue their nuclear programs while also providing aid which doesn't make logical sense but only in the way in which we think about giving and receiving, making trades and deals.

I do too but I'm living in fantasy hypothetical land right now.

NWO aside, realistically the first thing that would happen would be banks popping up.

why is him having many other missles and weapons not enough? why need nukes too?

ask Sadam Hussein and Gaddafi

>Therefore the only seemingly way past this would be to simultaneously allow them to continue their nuclear programs while also providing aid

Never going to happen with the Kim regime in place. For decades the US strategy has simply been to wait it out.

>Wait for top NK military to launch a coup and take out the Kim family
>Wait for China to launch a coup and take out the Kim family
>Wait for China to give the US the green light

Trump was played by Xi Jinping earlier this year. He was mislead to believe that China would give him the green light, since the elephant in the room is that China is drooling over the mineral reserves in the northern regions of NK. NK has some of the worlds largest untouched reserves of copper, coal and gold.

why when they were taken over they didnt try to retaliate anyway? because they knew their people would get harmed and they cared about their people? Or they didnt want to harm other innocent citizens of other nations?

if it is wanted kim out either way, nukes or not, and he doesnt have nukes, and is attempted to be ousted, he will use the weapons he does have to attack other nations?

Or having nukes, makes it that much more undesirable to attempt to oust risking his use

Also, I'm assuming that China's latest announcement that they would protect North Korea in the case of a US first strike, came at a dear price for Kim Jong-Un. And by that I mean that Chinese mining companies will be given access to very large areas of northern NK.

why wouldn't he have made mining deals with their companies years ago?

What would be a fair split do you think? nk 60 china 40? 70 30? 50 50?

wow nice shitpost

>Or having nukes makes it that much more undesirable to attempt to oust
this

He lives in a communist nation and he uses his nukes as a shield for american takeover. Now that you've installed thaad it's not known if even nukes can do it.

But I'll have to agree that Kim does act like a retard with his threats, or is it propaganda? If he explained the risk he and his people are suffering would anyone listen? Will he desperately cry to China to stop the USA from installing an puppet government in his country? we'll see

Are you kidding they supplied Iran with weapons....im sure they both have nukes now....kill off the masses insert chip one world order after ww3....

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>why wouldn't he have made mining deals with their companies years ago?

It is only in the last decade or so, while Chinese population and economy has been in extreme growth, that their need for resources outside of China has began to skyrocket.

Remember that artificial island China built, which caused a fuckload of tensions? That was a test project.

Read all those stories about the Chinese "invading" Africa? Same story. They need Africa's resources, and are slowly re-settling hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Chinese.

Recent tensions between China and Russia? Partly because China wants, and needs land in south east Russia.

China is expanding at an insane rate. What kind of deal they made with NK in offering to risk WW3 for access to mineral reserves is impossible to guess. But I'm assuming it was an extremely lucrative deal.

I don't really give a shit about being a hypocrite if it means less people have nukes in the world. Sorry Canada but I like ensuring the risk of getting nuked into oblivion is kept as low as possible.

>Oh you want to nuke us? Have some free shit

Who should we kill first? Traitors, or appeasers?

Give socialism a chance ?

Don't buy them out with free gibs. Buy them out witness protection style.

> Don't want to nuke us anymore.

a fucking leaf

If the US withdrew then who will defend South Korea?

why do you not respect South Korea's independence, why doesnt north korea

this is why all the talk blaming the US for escalating the situation and telling the US to "get out" on a "LEABS THE NORKS ALONE, THEY DINDU NUFFIN" basis is bullshit

Asshole leaf, back to maple syrup. See who just bought Vancouver, the rest of you are next. Unfuck yourself

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A country that has misbehaved for many, many years.. decades actually.

>Jan 1967 - attacks South Korean warship near border, killing 39 sailors
>Jan 1968 - commandos storm presidential palace in Seoul in a failed attempt to kill President Park Chung-hee
>Jan 1968 - captures USS Pueblo - one crew member dies and 82 held hostage for 11 months
>Dec 1969 - hijacks South Korean airliner taking dozens of passengers hostage
>Oct 1983 - bombs hotel in Rangoon, Burma in failed attempt to kill South Korean President Chun Doo-hwan - 21 people die
>Nov 1987 - bombs South Korean airliner, killing 115
>Sept 1996 - sub carrying 26 troops disabled off South - some land in South sparking deadly manhunt
>Mar 2010 - torpedoes Cheonan warship, 46 sailors killed
>Nov 2010 - around 170 artillery shells and rockets fired at Yeonpyeong Island, hitting both military and civilian targets killing four and injuring 19

Americans are NOT nice.

But you are a FUCKING LEAF and your post is the most FUCKING LEAF post I can imagine, next to: dogs and oral sex, 'xir' and dude weed lmao

The Korean leadership won't allow it or soften to it. They exist as long as they have an enemy or a threat. If they do not have an enemy and a reason to isolate their populace entirely from the west and even most of the east, they will not have justification to exist, at least not in the way they have since the 1950s. Allowing themselves to become our friends will soften them and allow their armor to crack internally which they will never accept. At best they would take our trade, take our handouts, and still talk shit to our face and to their people behind our back, and we would just end up being a nation of cucks supporting a brutal communist oligarchy that sends political dissidents to forced labor camps.

The rest of the planet would know we're feeding their people and improving their quality of life, but their people would never know because they are 100% isolated from outside information. If anything it would serve as justification that their government's missile programs have succeeded in stopping the NATO nations from stunting their growth, as they all have ample food and many improvements.That government would never go away.

Besides, ((they)) still don't have a bank over there in this scenario so what's all this nonsense about peace and friendship?

Let the americans threaten the world, they wont last century.

Because the communist party provides for the people. Once people can provide for themselves the party loses power.

Also, they won't allow a Rothschild bank, so they won't be allowed to trade with the world.