Okay Sup Forums question for the people of mother Russia

Okay people of Russia, I have a question for you all, how do you feel about communism? And for the older generation that might see this, do you miss communism? Do you feel it was better then than right now? For the younger generation, how do you feel about your history as a nation mostly being under communism, of course Russia wasn't always communist, but as far as the younger generation thats pretty much all you know because the policy stretchs as far back as your great grandparents, maybe even great great grandparents. Just curious wanting to interact with Russian folk, want this to be a comfy thread.

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>Okay people of Russia, I have a question for you all, how do you feel about communism?
I like communism, or perhaps more accurately socialism since communism is but a utopian end goal, but in practice it is very easy for it to go wrong, CPSU for example was doomed the moment brezhnev took power, Khrushev was just a symptom of a system in decay.

>Do you feel it was better then than right now?
I asked that question quite a few times, with different results, the best answer I've ever got was "There had been more order then, but now there are more opportunities"

>For the younger generation, how do you feel about your history as a nation mostly being under communism
I feel that some people should stop trusting Holywood and MSM as their source for information about modern Russia. The only things that are truly important to most people as far as communism goes is Army and Space/Science, there is also the Education and Medecine fields but those are rarely associated with communism despite being inherited from it. In most other aspects Russia is more of a continuation of the Imperial project after Imperator was deposed, but before civil war happened and communists took power.

Nice it only took a half hour to get someone to respond kek

Well I'm here for now if you are curious about any other aspects of modern Russia, I find such cultural exchanges, however small and insignificant, pleasant.

Yeah I've seen documentaries about how under Khrushev there was stagnation, then under the final soviet primer he wanted to implement capitalist reforms but it was already too late. Why did the USSR fall, I get a bunch of answer each very understandable and intertwined, but I can't by the fact that we simply made Russia over spend.

Also hear from Putin that back in the day, people where chosen to go to college which is a completely foreign idea to anybody in the states, but untie less sounds like a good one, is that true. Also I don't talk. to Putin kek, I just saw it on a documentary.

I've seen RT and Russian Insider which are propaganda but un-theless news and they say a lot of people regret or miss Soviet Russia.

Yeah I remember growing up while the History Channel still talked about history, and wasn't all about pawn shops and trash savaging. I don't know if you have the History Channel in Russia though. but before it changed its programming it would show nothing but World War 2 mini series documentaries focusing on Hitler and Russia. Real gems of knowledge if you ask me. And the USSR always caught my eye as being something of a anomaly in the world. Coming to Sup Forums its hard to discuss though seeing how many people are Nazis or just blatantly hate communism.

Also how does your grandparents feel or felt about USSR? I know differences between the generation tend to expand greater now in the modern era.

>under Khrushev there was stagnation
Stagnation started with brezhnev and never really ended, it just got worse and worse and then the system collapsed.

>implement capitalist reforms but it was already too late
Au contraire his fault wasn't attempt to implement "capitalist" reforms, but rather an attempt to implement "democracy" overnight in a country that was in a middle of a major economic crisis, it spectacularly backfired with every SSR, including Russia mind you, pulling in their own direction resulting in well known events, his pussyfooting and refusal to use army to quash rebellion was the final nail in the USSR coffin, by the time GKCHP tried to undo damage he caused it was too late.

In short economic stagnation, questionable spending practices, lack of a reasonable intensive structure for the population and Ideocracy signed USSR death warrant before Khruschev ever took power. He could have saved it if he clamped down on unrest ordered KGB to deal with the rabble-rousers like Yeltsin and focused on liberalising economy following Chinese model, but he was not the man needed to do it and there wasn't one available at the time. Especially because populations bought the "liberal democracy will solve all your problems" meme. Well 90s was a "wonderful" penance for that stupidity.

>Also hear from Putin that back in the day, people where chosen to go to college
I don't understand what you mean.

>a lot of people regret or miss Soviet Russia
Miss and regret yes, nostalgia is like that, wanting it back as it was, not so much.
>Also how does your grandparents feel or felt about USSR?
They like it AFAIK, never got into deep politics discussions with them.

>Coming to Sup Forums its hard to discuss though seeing how many people are Nazis or just blatantly hate communism.
Sup Forums hates everything about equally to be honest. For every "white race" post there is a "look at those fat retards larping as nazies" one.

>I've seen RT and Russian Insider which are propaganda but un-theless news and they say a lot of people regret or miss Soviet Russia.
It's very similar to nostalgia in US in my opinion, "Make America Great Again" and all that. USSR had superb social security policies and things like that. Basically you go to university for free, you get guaranteed employment, free housing and healthcare. This doesn't come without drawbacks, and eventually stale bureaucracy just collapsed under its own weight. Modern rampant capitalism, huge inequality and so on isn't for everyone. Nowadays its homo homini lupus est. People miss simpler times, even though now they probably have more opportunities, like fpbp said.

>I don't understand what you mean.
Well I saw a documentary about Putin talking about his KGB days, well before he was in the KGB and he said that people where given jobs and told where to work. I got it mixed up with education.

Yeah honestly its much harder in America if you don't already come from wealth, and I cherish the idea of talking care of your people, but communism just doesn't seem to work unfortunately.

i dont like communism and while many of olders are nostalgic about that in fact communism was shitty and dealt a lot of damage to my country

its not unfortunately, it is in the nature of communism to dont work at all. Do you think you could create country which encourages workers to work less to earn more? thatt

USSR had it's share of problems but from what my grandparents and parents told me and from what I've read I think Russia would have been better off if USSR didn't dissolve. Too much corruption and too many things that are done for money now that would be unheard of in the past. For instance now you can literally bribe your way out of anything with any government agency.

Russia would be better if USSR didnt existed and corruption was already there in USSR. Fall of USSR just made things work with money instead of "services for a good boys"

It wasn't exactly like that, it's more like you HAD to work and if you didn't apply yourself or simply couldn't get a job you wanted, state would just assign you A job so that you'd have something to do, a system which while providing everyone with employment failed to reward pursuits outside of those mandated by the government.

>but communism just doesn't seem to work unfortunately
It depends on what you mean by communism, as I said, in reality it's just an end goal of "classless society" china has a pretty good model of socialist government if you want to look at a working system. Or you could go to nordic democratic socialism for tips, tho I don't think it would work for a big nation.

When are you taking down lukashenko?

Russians, what would you say to an American that is considering moving to Russia? Generally speaking.

Yeah I recently got through watching the Putin Interviews with Oliver Stone, and honestly Russia fascinates me. Because you guys allow Putin to hold office for so long, but who am I to honestly judge, I'm American first and foremost and truly believe in liberty, so what it seems to me is that Putin is who the people of Russia have chosen and if there happy with that I don't care. But Putin from what little I know because obviously I'm not in Russia seeing him all the time like Americans see Trump, he seems to me like a man who is truly trying to do right by his people, coming into power so early after the collapse and just overhauling everything, but of course he is tainted by wealth and power. Maybe that blinds his view, all I see or the projection that I got from the interviews is that he's a statesman and a true son of Russia who is combating, being powerful and trying to use that power.

while Lukashenko isnt great, for me its clear that overthrowing him would cause more bad than good. Besides we cant throw him out even if we wanted to.
madman who wants to get fucked up

>he said that people where given jobs and told where to work. I got it mixed up with education.

Yeah, so basically after university you will get employment in your science field.

>but communism just doesn't seem to work unfortunately.
Communism is distant goal in far future. It needs AI, solid infrastructure, automatation and other shit like this. USSR was so fucking close to it by inventing pic related, but bureaucracy and stupidity ruined that all.

Putin is shareblue, who dont respects and dont believes that there is russians in RF

Make sure you visit first. Also ensure that you have income prior to the move, stick to St-Petersburg or if you are particularly rich/greedy Moscow, other places would just be too much of a cultural shock imo. Oh and make sure you learn russian, at least enough for casual conversation.

Putin is far too complicated a subject to explain quickly. In short there are only two ways to deal with the level of corruption perestroika and 90s brought to russia, a civil war and taking charge of it. Putin chose the second, I think it is by far better choice, but not one without a price.

I see, well if America promised me a job straight out of college I would be one happy camper kek

Yeah Sanders tried to explain that to the public, but of course he was hit with the "we are not Denmark, we have more then 5 million people here" which I honestly agree with, Chinas mixed model does seem somewhat stable, I have to look more into though

I'm 1/4th Russian and I can speak a little Russian. I'm very American though, born and raised here. I'm thinking about moving to Russia because the nigger problem is getting a little too much in America. You cannot raise kids here. If I had kids, I wouldn't want to send them to schools with black people and Mexicans, and that's about guaranteed here in the states. Wondering what Russians would have to say about this.

i would suggest you to civil war with hanging all non-russian elites while building nationalistic state with respect toward capitalism and some effective ruling institues

we would say "this guy just got out of fire into inferno"

Yeah he does seem like a very complicated man, many right wing Americans have much respect for him. And from the picture thats been represented to me I can't help but so I do as well. Rumor has it that he's the wealthiest person in the world too kek. Russia with Putin at the helm seems like a nation trying to be prosperous for the betterment of all Russians, but unfortunately in the globalist world we live in won't have it. I feel like Putin is boxed in, outside is a world that fears him in Europe, and inside one wrong move could start a revolution, and dismantle everything he's worked to achieve, corrupted or not.

Well if you are being serious rather than memeing than, SPb would be a decent choice, since unlike moskow it's migrant population is rather small. Of course if you can tolerate cultural shock you can just move to one of the golden ring cities that are pretty much White Russian Monoculture affairs.


And I'd suggest you to kys. Because that's what you are asking of a whole lot of young kids when you advocate civil war.

Idk. I have some Russian cousins who grew up in Russia and besides not making as much money, they lead pretty comfy lives. The nog and spic problem in the US is just getting too much.

Russia would have been better off if USSR never happened. Learn some real history, about bolsheviks and all. It was literally a project to make it into a crypto-colony and to experiment with socialism, nation-building and many other fucked up stuff.

>se that's what you are asking of a whole lot of young kids when you advocate civil war.
oy vey lets hope that good boy Putin will lose interest in stealing shit and finally decides to help his poor ryskies
Good king, but aristocracy is bad huh?

Also whats this pic that user talked about?

>madman who wants to get fucked up
Why would he get fucked up?

youtube.com/watch?v=VMeqY-OnaR4

youtube.com/user/senttosiberia

Yes and I'm sure whoever replaces Putin will be a squeaky clean politician with no hint of corruption. Pro-tip: Revolution over petty manageable forms of corruption is a waste of time, results in a huge bloodbath, and doesn't guarantee a better government in the end.

Well, living in big cities is pretty ok if you ask me. Saint Petersburg and Moscow are even better than most EU capital cities. Kazan is glorious too. You may want just look for cities with >1M population.
Stay away from north - theres nothing but total depression, endless snow storms, auroras and 2-3 month without sun. On the south theres steppes and deserts and in summer it's like mini-Australia. Far East is rough too - ocean storms and numerous local chink nations like buryats and tuvins.
Old small cities in Siberia is like playing STALKER IRL - most of them are abandoned. But I like it tbqh, there's a lot of abandoned shit after USSR like nuclear bunkers, tanks, underground cities and other shit.
Here's pic of D-6 system under Moscow.

this is symbol of automatization project
how does this orphanage connected to the fact that half of population in russia doesnt like americans beside the fact that whole country is a hellhole in terms of laws, justice, corruption, economic and culture?

USSR did a good job modernizing Russia's military.

You should move to New England or the Midwest, We might pass the Raise act meaning we'll get mostly Europeans coming here.

Wtf that sounds awesome.

>er replaces Putin will be a squeaky clean politician with no hint of corr
manageable
LMAO FUCK OFF YOU (((KIKE)) ITS NOT MANAGEABLE
no offence but its really not little and not manageable.

Let me tell you about communism, my little burger friend:

-you cant work by yourself or be selfemployeed, you cant do your own business - if you do it - 10 years in prison
-you cant buy a appartment or flat more than 33 square meters at 1 person, you only can have flat of 44 square meters if you have a wife with one child, and 56 square meters flat if you have 2 child. If you are single you live in 20-27 square meter flat.
-you cant decide where to live or work. After graduation government will send you where them want: ukrainian removed to uzbekistan, estonian removed to Siberia, Belorussian remove to Turkmenistan, russian moved to top level land: Crimea, other Ukraine, Tallian, Riga etc
- in 1982-86 you cant be in street at day time - if you are police will arrest you. Guess why?

Which is expand on this project user?

so you falled for "muh nukes and sheeeit"? depression and self-hatred will await you and your kids in the whole Russia, have fun

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGAS
It meant to be global internet-like system with AI rudiments.

>Rumor has it that he's the wealthiest person in the world too kek.
After a certain point Money=Power, and he seems intent on using that power in the interests of russian state, sure some gets lost as a reward for loyalty, but I'm not seeing a better system in the current political climate in Russia.
>outside is a world that fears him in Europe
Europe is hella rich and important but it is not end all be all of the world, I for one hope we can get India and china to stop bickering and think that that's more important than anythning that has to do with US and EU si,ply because it is clear that both of those chose to be our enemies.

>inside one wrong move could start a revolution
Before 2014 - maybe - after Ukrainians convinced Russia at large that a revolution is a terrible Idea his rule is pretty secure until he dies or resigns.

>project
If you mean OGAS - it was essentially an attempt to establish an AI led technocratic economy. It never got done because USSR collapsed before there was tech around to even attempt it.
Again, civil war won't make their lives better quicker than Putin does, you are operating under false pretence. And Putin already made life of russians leagues better than they were before him. It's funny to me that you are fine with Batka but think Putin should be overthrown.

>I like communism, or perhaps more accurately socialism
Hitler did nothing wrng

D-6 isnt related to this pic, not really. its more like backup metro system with vaults and maybe some links of communication

>you cant decide where to live or work. After graduation government will send you where them want: ukrainian removed to uzbekistan, estonian removed to Siberia, Belorussian remove to Turkmenistan, russian moved to top level land: Crimea


I'll take shit that never happened for $500, Alex.

Yeah, my dad suggests SPb too. I might visit there this year and just check out what it's like. I wonder how hard it will be for me to find a job there, considering I'm essentially a foreigner. I think I can blend in with Russians though, for the most part, but I have a very noticeable accent when I speak Russian.

Ask anyone from post USSR exept russian of course

Putin's corruption is nothing compared to the rats we have in Washington DC.

I'm going to look into this, ty.

>D-6 isnt related to this pic

Wrong. That pic was taken from D-6 in early 2000s, when that shit was semi-abandoned. I can give you link to whole archive with photos if you want, there's even pics from Ramenki underground city.

If I have kids, I will feel bad for them going to school with Mexicans and black people. They honestly ruin everything.

>I wonder how hard it will be for me to find a job there, considering I'm essentially a foreigner
There are plenty international corps working in SPb, I'm sure you can find something.

I've worked with Slavs, they're the laziest, most inefficient workers I've ever witnessed. The idea that they were able to assign specific jobs and locations to 100 million+ adults is not even remotely believable.

>his rule is pretty secure until he dies or resigns.
Yeah kek I saw a video recently on Russian Insider with him hinting at running again or I think it was him saying he wouldn't change the constitution so he could run again not sure. But like I said if that is what the Russian people want I see no problem really. Plus Putin is funny as fuck the way he handled the hacking allegations with Megan Kelly, he said "gee you people must have a lot of time on your hands over there because this is just crazy" haha it would be funny to hear stuff like that for the next 20 years.

Damn so Russia was thinking 50 years down the road, was anybody else even looking into this type of tech at the time?

>seems intent on using that power in the interests of russian state
lmao no
>we can get India and china to stop bickering and think that that's more important than anythning that has to do with US and EU si,ply because it is clear that both of those chose to be our enemies.
>'india and china is our f-friend'
fucking shill
>Before 2014 - maybe - after Ukrainians convinced Russia at large that a revolution is a terrible Idea his rule is pretty secure until he dies or resigns.
oh wait but there is another dumb laws and more scandals, i'm sure people will tolerate EVERYTHING cuz "oh no pls not revolution"

>Again, civil war won't make their lives better quicker than Putin does, you are operating under false pretence. And Putin already made life of russians leagues better than they were before him. It's funny to me that you are fine with Batka but think Putin should be overthrown.
Batka is a man who got pretty weak country with small economy, while Putin got big country with resources but chose to steal shit
I okay with Batka only because there is just decent dictatorship in shitty country, while in russia you have thieve in decent country(not anymore lmao)

>>Also hear from Putin that back in the day, people where chosen to go to college
>I don't understand what you mean.
Could be either college entrants were chosen on the basis of their parents' position in society or the Party, or they were chosen purely on the basis of performance and ability (the latter criterion was abolished here in Australia by the leftists in the early 70s).

Can one of the anons from Russia explain that USSR was actually not communist but socialist state and that communism was fed to people as a vision for the future that was going to happen soon

i was referring to the automatization government project from previous post, not about d-6
this will be even more funny when his state will collapse like USSR
also there was some latino american country who was trying to create something similiar

Well, if you can speak both Russian and English and not retarded as fuck you can just find a job with salaries starts from 1500$/month. In US it's not that much, but in Russia glorious apratments costs like 500-700$ per month in big cities, and food is pretty cheap. Also, 100Mbit internet costs ~10$/month.

>e of the anons from Russia explain that USSR was actually not communist but socialist state and that communism was fed to people as a vision for the future that was going to happen soon
fuck off you fucking (((kike)))

You mean Cuba or Venezuela?

Assuming you say all of that in good faith - you have no idea just how doomed russia was before putin took power. We had TFR of 1.17 ffs Pretty much everyone was writing epitaphs for our nation, 17 years later and TFR is 1.75 - among highest in europe, the economy is slowly growing despite the truckload of sanctions and low oil prices, people are, generally, happy, Putin's approval is 80% so don't give me that Putin is making russia worse shit, you don't know what you are talking about.

Sounds pretty fucking comfy, desu. Gonna have to bone up on my Russian though. It is retarded as fuck right now past exchanging pleasantries.

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It was the latter but you needed a reference from the local party leader

lol I mean I've been to Moscow before when I was little. The city is not too bad. I can show images of white trash trailer parks and it would be the same thing. This is base level propaganda besides the fact that you're just shitposting.

i dont sure its more like argentina or somewhere near. i cant find it because there is a lot of modern autosystems in search which is sad. Maybe i even was wrong.
>80%
oh yeah how nice it is to believe in Putin especially since he values minorities more than actual russians, when he steals shit, when his golden age was fueled by high oil prices.
>ECONOMY G-GROWING REEE
its too fucking slow you fucking dumb ass so thats considered as stagnation. If you grow like 4% and say its good then you're wrong, because it should grow faster in order to actually improve economy. By the way how did your money reserves are living? I bet these old people 65+ years old would happily give their money for Putin))0

Yeah doctors didn't even have the equipment to preform procedures after the collapse, it was very heart breaking to see people in that condition.
Also how do Russians feel about America slapping sanctions on them left and right? Do you guys hate us in general kek. the younger germination of Russia seems very patriotic and optimistic for the future, a guy went around Moscow with a camera and asked some young soldiers how they feel about Putin and Russia along with America and one said while the other agreed with him that "Putin leads us we are proud to have him lead us no question, as for everybody else they sanction us and sanctions us but we are still here"

That's partially due to soviet work ethics. Whats the point in working hard if the only bonus you'll get is probably additional 10-20 rubles which are useless anyway cause you can't buy shit. And from other side even if you get fired you will be provided by another shitty job by government. The only people who were working hard were scientist and other people who were passionate about their jobs.

It is pretty faggy that the US sanctioned Russia literally based on fake news and trapping Trump into such a decision because he's a muh Russian agent.

tell him about the "plan" system and how it was enforcing workers to work less
>ask soldier
>in front of his collective
>expects honest opinion
>from person who lives on government money
>who doesnt need to work cuz he's in army
(((journalistics)))

Yeah, which is another reason why Russia interests me, the Philosophical battle of Russia vs everyone else is deep.

>Also how do Russians feel about America slapping sanctions on them left and right?
Frankly - people don't care all that much, oh they grumble and some get upset over it, but ultimately - what are you gonna do about it? So most just ignore it. Tho some entrepreneurial fellows try to subvert both sanctions and counter sanctions via smuggling as the recent cheese story shows.

>Do you guys hate us in general kek
Your government/politicians - yeah, pretty much, average burgers - don't care one way or the other really.

>younger germination of Russia seems very patriotic and optimistic for the future
It's a bit more complicated than that, there was a period when government neglected yonger generation and it led to folks like Navalny gaining popularity but thankfully they seem to have realised their mistake and are working to overcome it by doing more popular diplomacy with the kids.

Well the guy told him he was a American, I don't see why the soldier would lie, and there where only two other guys around him.

Yeah I remember Putin saying in the interviews with Oliver Stone, "presidents come and go but the policy towards Russia stays the same"

His Masters could find him later on and punish him like they punish people for the reblogs and upvotes

History channel was never good.

They most likely told the truth. Russians always loved their tsars as long as tsars gave them feeling of greatness(no matter real or created by propaganda).

Eh this guy is just trolling at this point. Tho generally asking soilders as a way to gauge popular opinion is not the best plan since they tend to be more patriotic than most. That being said russian military and intel guys live a good life nowdays since the government might call upon them for some creative editing of european borders they tend to keep them happy, well fed, trained and loyal.

Even the social stigma against the army that was around after the 90s is slowly being eroded and replaced with respect again.

Do you vote for Putin user when election season comes around or do you not bother with voting? And how do you feel about Putin running again, do you think it'll create panic?

And you too user

>Do you vote for Putin user when election season comes around or do you not bother with voting?
I was utterly disinterested in politics until recently, I will probably vote for him in the next one if I won't be busy at the time.
>And how do you feel about Putin running again, do you think it'll create panic?
LIttle fact a lot of people don't seem to grasp is that Putin can go for another 6 year term (2018-2024) without breaking the current constitution.

I can confirm it was somewhat good back in the day, like in the late 90s, early 2000s. Today, History Channel is to History what MTV is about music.

I see well the real question then is what will happen after that term, then shit will start getting juicy keri honestly hope the best for Russia in there endeavors, I would hate to see conflict between the US and Russia.

Exactly, capitalism at its worst, not to mock glorious America kek

>Yeah honestly its much harder in America

The u.s. is one of like 4 or 5 countries where one can build his own opportunity. There are plenty of markets where a determined individual can enter and undercut the competition. In most countries you'd be regulated out of existence or wouldn't be able to afford the necessary bribes to get started. You guys have tons of opportunity, but like women, you'd rather give up climbing the mountain and declare base camp tour actual goal. Naive!

>then is what will happen after that term
He will probably finally announce his protege tell russians that he supports him and that protege will probably get voted in on that merit alone.

It's not like we have any real opposition to speak of.

Zuganov's an artefact, Zhirinovsky's clown, Mironov's boring, Navalny's a joke.

Tell that to the folk of Appalachia

Who is this protege? He must be awful close to Putin himself, to be trusted with the Empire he'll be living him with.

leaving*

Nope.

>Who is this protege?
Who the fuck knows. It will probably be someone relatively young from either United Russia or the FSB/GRU

That would be appreciated user!

Hey so Russians, how would you describe the mid-20 year olds and youth in Russia today politically? How many are more traditional/conservative, how many are Liberal/SJW?

OK, 32 y.o. here.
Russia was better in communism, even later 80s was better then modern Russia.
Now we have that capital anarchy syndicalism Soviets hated. Not the US style capitalism.