do you honestly believe the government was involved in 9/11? i very much enjoy entertaining the idea that 9/11 was a masterfully crafted government plot but deep down do not believe it to be true. i think the government is too incompetent to pull off something that big without at least having tons of whistle-blowers come forward.
Do you honestly believe the government was involved in 9/11...
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Brayden Taylor
I think Urban Moving Systems was involved
Xavier Flores
The government is not involved. They were uninvolved enough to let two fucking jets fly into major buildings. They scheduled a war game to make sure nobody got involved.
Nathan Morris
>Urban Moving Systems
what the heck is that?
John Rogers
to me this is the only plausible theory. top guys knew about the threat and knew something was going to happen and instead of intervening they just let it happen. it's plausible but i still believe the government is simply incompetent.
Hunter Butler
How many whistle blowers has there been in recent times, and how many of them got completely ignored.
9/11 has no lack of whistles, nor blowers. It has a lack of people caring.
Every single war USA has been part of, has been based on a false flag. Except 9/11? Even though 9/11 has more actual evidence of being a setup.
WTC7 fell at the speed of gravity after a fire. Did the building in the UK do the same? ofc not, a fucking fire dosent cause a building to just implode.
Jace Thomas
>do you honestly believe the government was involved in 9/11?
small parts of several governments were involved user
>dancing israelis state in interview on israel tv that they were there "to film the event"
>3 steel frame modern building collapse from fire, a first in history
>WTC7's collapse without getting hit by airplane
>WTC1 & 2 collapse into their own footprint and residual heat can still melt aluminum a week later
>seismic data shows massive impulse just prior to collapse
The official US commission report doesn't even mention the collapse of WTC7
Eli Collins
>>dancing israelis state in interview on israel tv that they were there "to film the event"
Josiah Long
According to the US government's official story, Al Qaeda did it. Al Qaeda was formed by Osama bin laden. Osama bin laden was trained by CIA in 1970s to fight off Soviets in Afghanistan. His nickname there was Tim Osman. There is no need for tinfoil because either way the US government is responsible for 9/11
Andrew Peterson
steel frame modern building collapse from fire, a first in history
Matthew Jenkins
>>seismic data shows massive impulse just prior to collapse
Eli Reed
>How many whistle blowers has there been in recent times, and how many of them got completely ignored.
You mean other than the hundreds of people leaking things from Trump's administration every day?
Noah Green
Leaked what exactly? already avaliable info? I've yet to see anything leaked from the white house that has any value
Matthew Wilson
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Robert Murphy
>jumping isrealis
Samuel Gomez
>memes are pictures
kid has a long way to go
James Evans
Doing half an hour of research should show you how many *coincidences* happened on 9/11
Christopher Cooper
Also building 7 and the hole in the pentagon is all the evidence you need
Samuel Lopez
>What is urban Moving Systems
Brandon Watson
still no answers...
Connor Phillips
The new WTC 7 was designed in APRIL 2000. Larry Silverstein was supposed to be on the 107th floor of WTC 1 on the morning of 9/11 for breakfast like he did every day but was "lucky" enough to escape death by skipping it for an appointment at his wife's suggestion.
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Owen King
this is a bait thread / this nigger is too dumb to understand basic physics
Jordan Brooks
this is still not proof of US government involvement.
Jose Lee
what "basic physics" and i too dumb to understand? how is "basic physics" evidence of US government involvement in 9/11?
Leo Scott
It wasnt nearly as organized as you think. ((They)) kind of just wing it sometimes and it works out. sometimes they are outright sloppy.
>july 2001
>(they) know the saudis been threatening the US with an attaack for a while
>get word that there will be a preventable attack by plane hijackers
>(they) ignore the warnings and use it in their psy-op anyway
>"what building do we have REALLY good insurance for, and sorta kinda symbolises america sos we can smash it?"
>have WTC prepped months before for a controlled demo. many employees report mysterious renovations prior. even an entire floor was being "renovated" and off limits.
>"what was that about thermite?" *suicides with 2 gunshot wounds*
>just let the crazy towel heads that we trained to hijack the planes and hit the target(s)
>"Oh noooo. that sucks! thee terrorist be attacking our freedoms! lets go get them WMDs in petrolistan!"
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Jacob Fisher
everyone seems to have their own favorite "smoking gun'; and my favorite are the Israeli Art students who had an entire floor to themselves, the means to bring in "packages/materials", and no one would question where they went nor what they were doing. they had time.
Bentley Hill
Controlled demolition is just garbage they pushed to discredit the truth, the PNAC planned for a "new pearl harbor like event" in order to galvanize public support for their war against the "new axis of evil". They let it happen.
Lincoln Flores
The fact that (((fox))) even aired the 9/11 Israeli thing shows that it could be a red-herring. I know Jews did 9/11 but who knows of they used nano-thermote, a mini nuke, cgi planes, muh direct energy weapons or Joo kabbalah magic.
At the end of the day, Jews did 9/11, idc how they did it. The truther community can argue about conflicting theories all they wan't, it don't matta
Nolan Morris
On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.
These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.
Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.
David Foster
The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.
The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important.
The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that’s OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping.
Angel Bailey
NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7’s collapse, but that’s OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would “jeopardize public safety“.
The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but that’s OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.
Adrian Long
Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn’t recorded on video, in which he didn’t resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.
Nicholas Ward
This is the story of 9/11, brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about JFK and incubator babies and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch.
If you have any questions about this story…you are a batshit, paranoid, tinfoil, dog-abusing baby-hater and will be reviled by everyone. If you love your country and/or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple pie and your grandma, you will never ever express doubts about any part of this story to anyone. Ever.
This has been a public service announcement by: the Friends of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, SEC, MSM, White House, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission. Because Ignorance is Strength.
Samuel Rivera
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watch starting at 1:48. top of the screen. you can see an object flying at the speed of a plane hitting the pentagon. it wasn't a missile.
Julian Murphy
Those weren't 767's that hit the towers. They flew way over VMO and would have torn apart if they weren't modified for the mission.
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After releasing 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, 9/11: Intercepted, and Skygate 9/11, Pilots For Truth have been asked questions regarding the excessive aircraft speeds reported.
One commonly asked question is:
"If it is impossible for a standard 767 to perform at the speeds reported, why would the alleged terrorist or elements within our govt fly the aircraft so fast?"
Cameron Lewis
The flight data from the aircraft are not aligned with outside sources from takeoff, the black box data was not decodable using standard industry software, the flight data shows features not standard to ta passenger 767.
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You are the Jury as new and existing evidence is gathered with regard to the aviation related events of September 11, 2001. Analysis includes in depth study of the Departure Gate at Dulles, In-Flight navigation and alignment combined with further scrutiny of the data provided by government agencies which far exceed the capabilities of the alleged aircraft reported. Encompassing a fresh comprehensive examination into the extreme speeds reported based on new evidence as it compares to precedent set by other aircraft accidents on the record with respect to manufacturer limitations... and more. Exhibits are presented making a strong case for a new independent investigation into the day which changed our world.
Dominic Taylor
So 911 was a masterfully crafted arab plot? I dont get how that is more believable
Jason Thomas
>So 911 was a masterfully crafted arab plot?
the 9/11 conspiracy involves framing saudis and controlled demolitions and zero whistle-blowers.
the arab plot involves a handful of guys taking advantage of security loopholes and the american people believing that a hijacked plane is always landed once the ransom is received. also, the 4th plane was taken down so i wouldnt call that a masterful plot.
Tyler Brown
Explain the excessive speeds. What (((they))) claim happened is not physically possible.
Leo Taylor
>Explain the excessive speeds
i watched the planes fly into the buildings. it did not look like an excessive speed for a plane.
Landon Powell
Wow nice, did your eyeball radar tell you that? You're brown aren't you?
Dylan Wright
then how fast were they flying and what is the average flight speed?
Nathan Torres
Watch the video you mong. They were doing 510 knots, that's 150 over max operating and 90 over vd structural failure limit. They did this for several minutes.
Luke Long
>a couple blurry whitish pixels
Joshua Scott
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Adam Foster
it's clearly the wing of a plane
Aiden Nguyen
and it moves in perfect sync with the explosion. honestly im surprised more people havent caught on to this video.
Henry Williams
Pretty compelling write up by FBI agent from those days:
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Jordan Rogers
>vd
what does this mean?
Matthew Edwards
I think the government was very much involved in the cover up.
Kayden Torres
It's the wing of something. Way too low of detail to get a positive ID.
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Highest speed capable without flutter(aircraft body rippling around due to excess stress). Determined by IRL testing. Watch the two videos i posted.
Juan Bell
>It's the wing of something.
what do you think it is? a plane? missile? i believe it's moving far too slow to be a missile. the movement of the cars should give you a reference. if it was a missile you would be lucky to catch it in a single frame.
Ryan Reed
Look at the footage form the lawn. It straight up looks like a missile. Way too small to be a plane.
Elijah Williams
Joseph Cruz
>footage
that is not footage. the frames per second are far too low. the video from the hotel security has a much higher frame per second ratio. government incompetence in the flesh.
David Smith
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Every video of the event show it to be way smaller than a passenger airplane.
Justin Taylor
Wrong jet engine type found at the scene.
They used hybrid engines on an enhanced titanium airframe. Those werent the jets they claimed they. I doubt there was anyone aboard any of the flights
Adrian Young
It's the Reptilian Illuminati, not the Jews
Julian Jackson
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Jayden Foster
There are enough weird things about that day to justify being suspicious, regardless of how unlikely a conspiracy might reflexively seem. That being said, its not like everyone needs to know to make a false flag work as planned. Hell not even the president needs to know. If it was a false flag I'd probably point the finger at the CIA doing most of the legwork.