Our population will decrease rapidly.(we will lose 300,000 per year untill 2100). "Rapid" decrease of population will hurt economy further.
But our birth rate is unlikely to be rise(40% of not-married young generation is virgin)
The countries which accepted immigrants experienced GDO growth like sweden, Canada, Germany, America etc
United Nations, IMF, World bank, OECD and many famous economists reccomend Japan to take 200,000 immigrants.
How can you refute this logic?
There are ton of reasons that Japan need immigrants. Can you refute it? many elites support this claim.
Charles Richardson
English teacher fuck off
Juan Cook
>Can you refute me? I sure can. Germany.
Evan Collins
Kill yourself chang.
Brandon Stewart
I am not English teacher, I am educated Japanese who work for Japan
Julian Edwards
>Germany experienced one of highest GDP growth in EU thanks to immigrants.
oh yeah Thank you so much for supporting my points
Oliver Ross
As a German i can say: Don't give a fuck about 0.1% of some growth and protect your fucking culture. We have the best ecomony in Europe and we're still fucked.
Oliver Phillips
IMO the problem is that every immigrant will want to move to Tokyo or Kyoto, which are already overpopulated as fuck, instead of going rural. Helping noone.
Elijah Lewis
Too overcrowded Culture not foreigner friendly and way too hard to assimulate Not wnough housing and most dont even accept non japanese
Adam Johnson
Give me some sweet yellow pussy let me fuck your daughter she will learn to appreciate the BBC
Jordan Powell
we have the knowledge of social engineering.
How about giving them money to move to rural area?
Carter Morales
>japan gets involved with north korea conflict/war >sends in young men troops and trump lets them build up military >hiki problem disappears >guys come back from fighting >japan has a baby boom >problem solved
Jeremiah Bell
Hope you get hit by a car.
Angel Lopez
>he still thinks economic growth is a good thing
Dylan Brown
Hello communist.
Go back to cuba
Joshua King
Yeah, honestly the best bet Japan has of immigration is forcing people to live rural.
But a lot of rural Japan is pretty xenophobic unlike the major cities.
Isaac Brown
One word: Automation
Jeremiah Ortiz
Aren't you Japs building robots to cater to you when things get worse in terms of population? Like the world of WALL-E?
I'm doubtful that the Japanese are just going to let in immigrants and refugees to breed their women.
Connor Wright
one phrase. Robots don't pay tax.
Thomas Richardson
Japan needs to stay japansese. Don't make the same mistake as sweden, germany etc. Say no to immigration.
Daniel Cooper
Neither do mussies
Evan Jones
Japan needs to stay japanese. Don't make the same mistake as sweden, germany etc. Say no to immigration.
Carter Clark
How can you live without paying consumer tax?
Colton Hughes
hate to tell ya this but the immigrants will most likely be of no use other than taxburdens, you see these countries have social-system where getting sick physically and mentally can land you a sweet spot in not doing anything but smoking cigarettes, sure you probably have to be in some form of work first but not really. Not when you are a first generation invader and if they do get work it is being a taxi driver.
Also they have a hard time in just learning Norwegian or German, what do you think it takes to learn nipponese? that takes brainpower not like the other European languages. Heck, Norway has a Poland problem and they pay taxes but don't learn Norwegian even tough they are in Norway for many years, and they a purely economic immigrants.
Henry Lopez
Mussies get loads of help from the state over here, so none work and there are ways to avoid sales taxes
Nicholas Miller
You guys can figure it out, just don't let anyone in.
Christopher Robinson
Just don't cuck like us nippon and it will be fine. Remember that a bad economy is still better than one run by kikes
Grayson Walker
Why do you always post this thread? Why do you want immigrants in your homeland so badly? Are you even full Japanese? Have you been around hispanics, arabs, or blacks? Do you know what hell you are inviting upon yourself and your people?
Evan Miller
Japan, along with many south East Asian countries is overpopulated. If the population goes down, it's fine, and in time the birth rate will rise again.
Evan Ortiz
>Thanks to migrants >The great majority of migrants dont work and are criminals HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Adam Robinson
>the ultimate fulfillment of human existence is the perpetual expansion of GDP
Please neck urself
Alexander Powell
You need decent white folks to boost your numbers without decaying your society
Austin Ward
Germany is having major crime problems caused by those immigrants. And Germans are slowly being replaced.
Eli Nelson
The moment you realise there are other things than GDP growth is when it all changes
Isaac Russell
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Zachary Stewart
If your population is stagnating/shrinking then why would you need a rising GDP?
Japan already has a very high standard of living, even if it were to stagnate economically what's the harm in that? Money isn't everything in life. You honestly believe that people should undermine the foundation for the continued existence of their culture and people simply because we might be able to squeeze another 0.x% growth out of it?
What person that hasn't been bombarded with propaganda their entire life would have such twisted priorities?
Josiah Wood
just make a call that forgin born japanese will be given first dibs for immigration.
Ryan Nguyen
There are more important things than economics. It's better to retain Japanese culture and be a little poorer than flood it with immigrants and lose everything.
Brody Miller
Less GDP growth is not a problem that needs to be solved Never has, and never will GDP decline, however, is another story Japan doesn't have a declining GDP
Leo Rogers
(((GDP))) is a propaganda stat used to sell globalism. High (((GDP))) doesn't equate to prosperity, low crime, or preservation of future cultural stability and intelligence. Say no to white genocide and Japanese genocide.
Jackson Morgan
>Economics are irrelevant if my feels and culture are hurt
Interesting.
Adam Young
>Can you refute me?
are you hard of thinking?
Benjamin Torres
Immigration would not solve the economic issues of Japan that are tied to weak unions and too long workdays and hours. Solutions to your current economic stagnation and moreover deflation lie in slow growth of relative wages and too much work.
Immigration only hurts unions and inflates labor pool without increasing the wages but weakening them.
Anthony Sullivan
DONT TAKE THE BAIT RETARDS.
The economy is going to change from your fucking robots anyway. The migrants don't help in any way.
Henry Rivera
>GDP growth
who fucking cares
the way it's measured effectively just encourages building pyramid schemes of debt rather than actually reflecting economic wellbeing
the rest of your points are either predicated on this one shoddy "MUH GDP" argument or just blatant appeal-to-authority fallacies
Austin Ward
Japan doesn't need immigrants you just need to have some babies you can't because the globalists have fucked your economy already
Daniel Johnson
Don't pay attention to this scum. They will do anything to destabalize your country and try once again their failed policies.
If you ever watched Trueblood, the Antifa are basically Mary Ann. They try over and over and over again, but all they end up with is chaos, and a lot of dead bodies on their hands.
Carson King
Germany is just siphoning in Europe's money
Ryan Walker
I haven't seen this post before.
Jaxson Evans
>you can't because the globalists have fucked your economy already
well thats PART of it
it they banned sale, production, possession, transport and transfer of ANY AND ALL sexual (to any degree) products and services and media you would see a nice improvement in birthrates
Anthony Carter
>Ayy lets weaken the number of wage owners even further by automating everything with robotics >this will surely solve our economic issues instead of just lessening the amount of effective tax payers and leading into even bigger economic stagnation with more people suffering in poverty
Nolan Moore
Welfare.
Otherwise, there's no reason for mudslides to come over to Nippon.
Colton Reed
OP how is it you are from japan and stupid enough to either:
be stupid OR bait for shits and giggles?
Brandon Rivera
strawman also infantile also appeal to ridicule et al try again
Kayden Myers
and?
well thats a gross oversimplication
still.... this guy mostly gets it
this guy also gets it, mostly
indeed
no, the situation is a social and cultural one, what you describe it just a symptom
again, fact
absolutely
how so many people in one thread that know how to think?
another correct poster
those are the only, and temporary, immigrants i would say japan should have
japan is not overpopulated its land area is grossly underdeveloped not overpopulated at all
not "mostly" but "most absolutely assuredly"
my man TK
how about telling to fuck off because no, because no
>Too overcrowded
see above
Samuel Perez
Death of those unable to adept to new conditions of life is just evolutionary process comrade. Culture and your feelings are irrelevant in the long run. Culture is subject to change and therefor its romantization serves no purpose.
Albanians had the highest birthrate in Europe. It was already poor, they still fucked like bunnies.
Then this happened. It went from 6 (in 1960) to 1.79.
We know very well how to slow a nation's birthrate: urbanize the population and teach their women to read. We also know that incentives make a CRUCIAL difference when it comes to birthrate as well as big families. For instance, Russia has arrested an actual democide -- millions of people died in the 1990s as their population & birthrates plunged -- to where it's stabilized at 0.
When Japan starts having houses that are for sale dirt cheap, it will become kawaii a f to have a big family to move into them. What's happening now is a normal reaction to their psychotic obsession with business and then its collapse. People don't know what to do, increasingly they've decided to do nothing.
Aiden Reed
This thread is about economics and not about culture nor social situation of Japan.
Isaac Perez
Inviting masses of savages into your country replaces a temporary demographic problem caused by a prior population boom in one now aging generation with longterm problems. Yes it would be good for the economy in the short term. But in the longterm you get much more crime, terrorism and constant banter on pol. Besides you already have a housing problem. Mass immigration wont help with that.
Noah Williams
Good. No one should. Robots are allies then.
Brody Hall
>This thread is about economics and not about culture nor social situation of Japan.
fallacious can you figure out how?
Liam Morris
How does having more mouths to feed in the oncoming age of automation translate into a good thing?
Elijah Sanders
ching chong we need mo immigront ching pong yang don't mess with this chang
Nolan Anderson
p.s.: >you must refute but not use anything that could be validly refutative
yeah ok bud
Logan Lopez
every single day for the past year you make this fucking post
literally kill yourself
Noah Brown
>Culture and your feelings are irrelevant in the long run.
subjective false generalization handwavium so forth
>Culture is subject to change and therefor its romantization serves no purpose.
all of the above but moreso
Luke Foster
So if I falsified statistics saying that sucking dog dicks was a good source of income, would you do it? I know canadians would, but I'm asking Japan
Grayson Nelson
Are they so far removed from one another?
Sebastian Roberts
the guy is just a troll or imbecile or both
Michael Cooper
If culture is not subject to change feel free to prove it. But if it is subject to change how could you preserve it without contaminating it nor what value would it hold when its core is subject to change.
Cameron Hall
agree japan you NEED IMMIGRANTS, it's next step YOU HAVE TO MAKE to SURVIVE
Nolan Reed
Original Posts arguments regarding immigration are based on economics. He asks for refuting his economic analysis and its effects.
Brody Wright
Taxes dont solve poverty. They help create it.
Bentley Morris
>If culture is not subject to change feel free to prove it.
red herring goalposts so forth more fallacies
>But if it is subject to change how could you preserve it without contaminating it nor what value would it hold when its core is subject to change.
thats what culture is and value is subjective you are not a computer or emotionless robot, stop trying to feign that act
Mason Martinez
Your words are empty. "Change" can mean anything. Change can include increasing the persistence of good existing ideas like laws upholding freedoms, which white cultures built and are the only group voting as a majority to preserve in the United States.
Kevin Murphy
possibly best post yet
John Rogers
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Jaxon Hill
Hes asking for a refutation of his argument - full stop.
Joseph Sullivan
there are a few things the connection you are making could mean
which meaning are you pointing to?
John Ramirez
Not funding the government and letting Japan to default on its debts would lead to wider economic collapse followed by more poverty. They can not afford to rise in their national debt`s interest rates either.
Cameron White
that would be painful in short term, best in long term
painful and best because it is the only way to sever one's self from the tumor of globalism
Jonathan Rivera
The Yamato race is originally from mainland asia anyways. If you are smart you will take high IQ neo mongoloid type people from China, Korea and north vietnam. As long as Japan retains its racial phenotype i think it is ok. It would be like eastern european migrating to western europe.
Jason Myers
Material value can be determined, therefor non-material things are definable too culture in particular since it effects our behavior,conditioning and actions. In its current state culture hold very little material value since it is not an tool of social engineering nor conditioning by the larger society.
Blake Morgan
Not sure if sarcasm or not. Coul be both. In any case just to make sure. The idea thst stealing money from wealth producers and giving it to poor people that produce very little wealth is going to make them financially independant and get them out of poverty is ludicrous. All you do is alleviate some of the symptoms of poverty. But you dont teach a man to fish by giving him free fish.
Evan Young
you guys are top in every identifiable metric of quality of life. You have everything and the west is crumbling before your eyes. Your economy is stagnating but our middle class is dying, already gone in all major metropolis. Your only problems is low birth rate and inefficient work culture. Those are both solvable.
Easton Wilson
Most tourists would rather go to overpopulated cities and it's overcrowded as fuck and really hard to assimilate when everyone associates Japan with Anime.
Caleb Cruz
>Material value can be determined,
still subjective
> therefor non-material things are definable too culture in particular since it effects our behavior,conditioning and actions
value still subjective
>In its current state culture hold very little material value
subjective
>since it is not an tool of social engineering nor conditioning by the larger society.
arbitrarily attached metrics/conditions
>Not sure if sarcasm or not.
not sarcasm, NOT AT ALL.
Julian Morales
The solution is to cut expenditure drastically.
James Butler
In it's most basic form your argument appears to be:
>Japan needs people. >Immigrants are people. >Therefore, Japan needs immigrants.
The problem is with the second premise. Immigrants are not people - at least not in the sense that will help Japan. They disproportionately use social services, they undermine Japanese cultural integrity and in large numbers they will jeopardise Japanese security.
Camden Murphy
Use your real flag, Schlomo. Japan is fine the way it is.
Elijah Russell
Economic collapse would make Japan even more reliant on outside forces as without trade surplus following their collapse and with their underfunded government they would have to rely on foreign aid and might become subject to strict control by the UN.
Isaac Murphy
Japans GDP: 1990 3.14 trillion 2012 6.20 trillion
As for immigrants... Japan is not exactly a country you can just assimilate into. All you'll get is refugee only sectors in your city that don't associate with the rest of the community... how would that be desirable?
Liam Reyes
So basically Japan is on track to become Asia's Switzerland? Not a bad path to go down.
Dylan Bailey
good way to state it, i laughed
i think its simple enough he might get it
Jace Hill
Indeed but I doubt that democracy where majority of its population are elderly and soon will retire would be willing to cut its welfare nor even be effectively able to rise taxes.
Angel Bailey
you keep thinking one step forward, and then you stop thinking, rather: try to keep thinking
Zachary Long
I hope your women are raped in front of you by hajjis. "needs immigrants" fucking kys you absolute fuck
Hunter Carter
FILTHY JEW
GET OUT OF NIHON
Luis Brown
GDP growth has nothing to do with population growth.
Countries like Chile and Argentina had population growth in the single digits from 2000 to now, but their GDP expanded 3x to 5x.
The problem with Japan is that its economic polices are designed for old people. Japan needs reforms.
Eli Butler
Robot owners pay tax. You just have to increase taxes on the wealthy instead of the working man since the wealthy own the robots and all the profits of their labor.